Thread 106285073

>sudo pacman -Syu
>wifi stops working

>>106285073 (OP)
skill issue

Isn't Linux fun!? Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to enjoying my working stress-free computing experience.

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>>106285073 (OP)
just roll back to the pre-update snapper backup...
you DO use btrfs and make automatic backups, right?

>>106285073 (OP)
>sudo apt update; sudo apt dist-upgrade
>literally never break anything ever

>>106285073 (OP)
probably some dkms fuck-up
just get a wifi card with built in kernel drivers

>>106285091
using taptalk

>>106285081
>>106285091
>>106285096
>>106285109
>>106285143
>>106285156
im installing debian. fuck this shit

>>106285109
yeah but they said ubuntu/debian is for trannies therefore I must use the tryhard distro

>>106285143
This anon knows. I still remember the sinking feeling I'd get every time I had to update with dkms. Pain in the ass.

>>106285143
dkms stands for definitely killing myself

>>106285073 (OP)
imagine being dumb enough to fall for the linux meme

>>106285170
Congrats on your transition!

this never happened

>>106285230
cloudfag

>>106285170
At least Arch has up to date software. Out of the frying pan and into the fires of dependency hell. Muahahaha ha...

>>106285269
Isn't Testing somewhat up to date?

squeak

>>106285269
developers are retarded, i don't want their latest features, i want old versions that work properly.

literally happened to me 2 weeks ago because I didn't read the arch linux news

>>106285295
It's not just about software with heckin new features. If I want to develop on Linux with, say, SDL3, then Debian or Ubuntu still doesn't have it even though it's been out for 2 years now.

>>106285073 (OP)
install gentoo
>>106285096
functional operating systems don't need this
>>106285109
debian is broken out of the box
>>106285143
Dumb Kernel Module Shit
>>106285173
ubuntu/debian are tryhard distros that always break for no reason, arch is just that but you are responsible for your own breakage
gentoo is arch but good, and stable

>>106285269
some of the packages are older than ubuntu versions kek
>>106285295
gentoo lets you pick on a per-package basis, arch doesnt even let you pick WHICH VERSION you want
>>106285309
imagine having to open a web page to look at news, gentoo gets news every 4 years or so, and it will tell me to run eselect news read

>>106285504
>>106285508
meds

>>106285073 (OP)
You aren't supposed to actually upgrade it. You just install it and get it working, and then periodically install and upgrade packages that you actually need. They try to trick you by recommending the exact opposite, because the people writing that advice are the ones paid to give more advice and need you to keep breaking your system.

>>106285517
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>>106285578
>Opening with a closing tag
You'll
never

gonna make it

>>106285073 (OP)
Your system is famous for breaking. Dunno why you still use this crap.

>>106285397
you should be using Conan for C/C++ dependency management, if you think Conan is bloated garbage adding SDL3 as a submodule to your project isn't the worst. Pretty easy to build. In general though you shouldn't depend on system available libraries ever. Way too brittle as you've discovered.

>>106285156
>tapatalk
I am forgotten as though I were dead

update: debian sucks. i'm installing artix, hopefully is a bit more stable

update: debian sucks. i'm installing artix

>>106285974
it's even more unstable, at this point just fucking install gentoo

>>106286019
you're right, i couldn't even boot into the live iso. ended up installing alpine, it was very comfy to set up and everything works

>>106287004
the network card is working? Alpine has less driver support through dkms due to the fact that it relies on musl.

>>106285073 (OP)
Install Fedora or Mint if you want just werkering. Ubuntu and Debian are memes, you get what you deserve if you use them

>>106287112
yes, it works.

>>106285170
>install debian
>wifi stops working because your kernel's too old
Lol

>>106285073 (OP)
Does this really happen bros? I am new to arch and hasn't updated for weeks. I can't afford to stall my research, please tell me OP is trolling...

>>106285073 (OP)
Yeah I switched to Gentoo after a year on Arch because this kind of crap kept happening. It's a sloppily maintained hobby distro for hobbyists.
I do not miss the [ * ] Stop job is running 13s / 9999h either.

>>106285073 (OP)
>yay -S informant
>now you will see the news about potential breaking changes before it lets you update, if you are too lazy to manually check the archlinux.org front page

>>106285109
>literall breaks every time you do a release upgrade, and in much worse ways than arch has ever broken, vital packages for graphics hardware support completely removed etc.

>>106285073 (OP)
did you tried to click on it?

terminal is so 80s, today in the year of 2025 we click or touch

>>106289379
It is possible, but not particularly hard to fix either. If you want to be safe, back up your home folder and wherever else you keep user data to an external drive. Try updating. If things break, just reinstall arch (technically you can try fixing your existing installation, and it is good to learn how to do it, but if you're strapped for time reinstalling is more straightforward.) and restore your data from your backup.

>>106289443
Oh so they finally implemented what Gentoo has had for 2 decades

>>106285073 (OP)
>use arch
>wife stops working and leaves
guess it's time to chug that hrt down and become the wife I always wanted

>>106289492
Thank you anon, most my stuff is already either on cloud or backed up. But getting everything how i wanted to work took me some time, so maybe i should make a install script. Is that the usual practice? Do arch users have install scripts they run to set up the system and how do I make/run one?

>>106289492
>>106289567
>reinstalling for every little breakage
Hell no. Don't do this. You'll never learn how to actually fix your fucking system like this.
>is that the usual practice
I've been using the same gentoo install for 6 years straight. No, it's not the usual practice. This isn't Windows, you shouldn't need to reinstall your OS every two months.

>>106289641
I've been using Ubuntu and debian before arch and I reinstall the system every year or so just to get rid of all the useless shit ive installed or changed or downloaded for the CS classes. I can't keep track of them all.
But I am kinda done with the classes now and ready to settle down.
Does gentoo ever get too annoying with the compile times for daily and programming use? I might consider trying that one too.

>>106289700
>I've been using Transbumtroon
kill yourself

>>106289709
I'm sorry anon, I don't use it anymore please forgive me.

>>106285073 (OP)
>sudo pacman -Syu
>wifi start working

>>106285073 (OP)
>he didnt sudo pacman -Syy

>>106289921
>he

>>106289700
Compile times aren't even a factor, on a decent machine you'll just leave it overnight once a month.
But tread carefully, Gentoo is quite a commitment at first especially with a custom kernel and such, and about once a year portage does throw you quite the dependency tangle to solve. But not once in 6 years has Gentoo left me with anything broken in my system, the distro is maintained almost professionally.

You have to be an actual madman to only use Arch without a side dual boot OS/distro.
Updating Arch is playing russian roulette.

>>106285073 (OP)
>>106285109
wait your distros don't have a pop-up where you just click upgrade and restart?

>>106290201
The install media's right there. I can reinstall whenever I feel like it.

>>106285081
linux is a mistake

>>106285073 (OP)
>guix pull && guix package -u

couldn't be me

>>106290152
That might be so for the updates but i was more concerned with initial installs. When I need some new program or language I don't want to spend hours compiling first.

>>106290570
Most things compile in some minutes. Only really big software suites and web browsers with their dependencies can take an hour, at least on a 5800x.
Also since you're compiling everything on Gentoo, you're usually pulling in all the common build tools for most common languages anyway, so most of the time you already have everything necessary for developing on your system already.
Gentoo does also have a purely binary distribution these days, you could check that out too. I've never tried it though.

>>106290768
Thank you very much!

>>106290369
Literally even the biggest Windows fanboys are moving to Linux. Windows is finished.

works on my machine

>>106290285
what a b00mer face
HAHAHAHAHA
>>106290369
do you mean literally the future
>>106290964
FAX
>>106285073 (OP)
>>106285091
>>106285109
actually, i've had the best experience with arch than i've have had with any other distro
>>106285109
>debian / debian fork
yikes
>>106285283
fellow everyday ratty lurker
>>106285504
>ubuntu/debian are tryhard distros that always break for no reason, arch is just that but you are responsible for your own breakage
so true, this is actually my experience too, using ubuntu / linux mint, is like using an OS that rejects you, for arch, you are responsible and are really an admin

as relevant as ever

>>106285073 (OP)
This happened to me on "very stable" debian 12

>>106291509
It's anything else but relevant.
Arch users are scrawny transvestites and they use wayland nowadays.
I've been using Arch for 4 years now never had an update break functionality.

>>106291584
You're not supposed to use pacman on Debian, silly.

>>106290964
No, we're just modding the shit out of it.

>>106285073 (OP)
cool, wifi is garbage and should be purged from my kernel