Thread 106288665

2.1 is king edition

Edifiers are always a fire hazard with how the acoustic foam is touching bare wire inside

>>106288682
>pricey

but how does the edifier edify

>>106288682
the goat
Logitech Z623
>>106288678
literally first ever im hearing this

>>106288731
>literally first ever im hearing this
Usually you dont 'hear' this stuff but see it, once you open your unit

i was never an audiophile but started thinking about buying klipsch speakers.
>love the aesthetics
>read how the subwoofer is trash.

is anyone buying speakers anymore or is it just headphones and soundbars?

eidfier seem to be shilled to hell and back lately
i guess they filled the void between cheap logitech speakers and expensive audiophile autism speakers

these look good lol
https://www.neowin.net/reviews/edifier-m60-review-how-something-so-small-can-sound-so-good/

>>106288830
Buy a separate sub.

>Buy dirt cheap logitech Z213 speakers
>Never wondering about the existence of better sounding speakers despite how much audiophiles rave about it
>Happy
Ignorance is bliss

>>106288830
dont buy klipsch man they have horrible tweeters

>>106289272
jesus fuck, this
the most EARRAPey tweeters on the planet

>>106289017
>"sound demo"
>no graphs
what kind of review is this?

>>106288830
look at proper studio monitors like adams(t5v with a sub are pretty good) or if you are rich genelecs/neumann

>>106288841
depends for what, for tv I'd get a soundbar of passable quality and be done with it, still better than the inbuilt tv audio
for PC gaming/music listening I have a speaker setup

>>106289133
it's same thing as headphones, diminishing returns hit hard above $600 setup
especially if you room correct with EQ, you can actually do it for your z213s, will sound much better
need a small investment in a measuring mic and a device to use it, can safely go with the cheapest option

Don't hate me too much, oh kings of speakers, but are there "decent" speakers that work off USB exclusively
Changed PC's recently and I have to use some little fucking box called Rog Hive for my PC and the amp in it is dogshit

>>106290529
I mean, just get any powered speakers with 3.5mm/RCA output and then buy a cheap USB DAC. Problem solved.

>>106290529
yep >>106290557

Whatever happened to 7.1 bros? Shit was better than soundbars that will never replicate the physical audio locality, and now it's all but dead.

>>106292363
For PC, it's a room size and distance to monitor issue.
For home theater, it's usually overpriced for what you get, so building from scratch is the better option. Prepackaged surround sound needs to be at least half of what they're charging for the quality level of planned obsolescence.

>>106288830
i run a pair of R41pm's and an SW120 from them, its alright, nothing amazing but the whole setup is under $400 and sounds good enough

>>106290529
if you have like zero dollars, get creative pebbles
theyre objectively good
if you have over 100$ buy whatever is the most popular on amazon for powered speakers, theyll be fine

people will contest this stance but they know im right

>lust after old speakers
>expensive, remember that they are most likely trashed
>look at new, expensive
I dont want tiny bookshelf speakers. Is there anyone making speakers that at most $1k?

>>106288665 (OP)
>minirig 3
>cool packaging, looks great
>read the manual, i have to download an APP on my phone
>of course the app interface is absolute dogshit
>one RGB LED button to control a variety of actions
>have to refer back to the manual to relearn what blinking pink light means, how to toggle bluetooth, how many seconds to hold to power the thing off
>"40 watts" it's simply fucking not
>sounds identical to a $40 jbl thing from walmart
>spend 30 minutes troubleshooting how to get stereo audio between two of them together
>not even in the mood to listen to music anymore honestly
>battery dies after not even 2 hours of use
>plug it in to charge
>fully charged, unplug it, power it off
>a month later i try to power it on
>it's out of battery

do not purchase

>>106293041
Just wait for the sales. (Although the last few sales were all dogshit) Buying anything at MSRP from inflation is the economy killer. You can really only join the wait community and let companies die from inflation line goes up or capitulate. They can only pass handouts so much before the value of the money becomes less than the paper (or bits) it's printed on.

i have a soundcore motion+ as my speakers and a soundcore rave 2 neo under my desk as a sub, it honestly sounds fucking great, obviously not much stereo separation but i'm always blown away how nice it sounds (wired in using digital crossover on my PCs mobo realtek)

it's obv not as clear as the EQd Grado SR325s but it is *WAY* more clear than you'd expect from such a jank setup, and it cost $200 total vs my headphone setup which was like $500 w/ dac+preamp

>>106288739
There were ok when you could find them for 100-110$ on sale.

>>106289133
>>106288830
>>106293041
Presonus Eris 4.5 (do not get 3.5 it is pure trash compared to 4.5)
If you wish to add sub get again presonus sub, 10 inch if with to spend or 8 if you want keep the overall cost down. I also head good things about elac varro subs, they go low and are closed boxes so the will be tight enough for music.

>>106289272
All the big brands shit the bed lately. KEF still have problems with the woofers seffdestruction and this bullshit is from covid, still not fixed. If you get q300 you might as well throw the money in the trash. Shame there were one of the better chooses if you wish to go stereo for desktop use.

>>106290529
Edifier s3000pro

>>106293041
Yes, I'm not sure what you're talking about. You can find plenty of speakers under $1000, or are you looking for some "surround in a box" sort of thing?

Good speakers are only useful if you also drive them with a class A amplifier. Remember, D is garbage and Chinese.

i got presonus e5s and they hissed too much
i got mackie MR524s and they hissed too much
then i got a used pair of kef q100s and a technics integrated amp from 80s + REW and umik-1 calibration mic and haven't worried about sound for 6 years

>>106293467
>there is no replacement for displacement
>gets beaten by 1.5L toyota yaris
>Good speakers are only useful if you also drive them with a class A amplifier. Remember, D is garbage and Chinese.
>his 20k 1000w space heater amp gets beaten by 250$ chink-fi

>>106294264
>his 20k 1000w space heater amp gets beaten by 250$ chink-fi
Wrong, this never happens. Cope however you like with your budget garbage though. 99% chance you have dry earwax and can't hear shit lol.

>>106294357
Born to eat shit sprinkled with golden glitter.

>>106294490
Sounds like sour grapes, enjoy your crappy chink garbage.

>>106294853
Why are (You) deathly afraid of acknowledging psychoacoustics?

>>106294045
This hiss issue is something I hear super often with all kinds of studio monitor speakers. Kind of fucking crazy that this seems to be so common and accepted, honestly. I keep seeing people mention how some level of hiss is "normal" even, despite the fact that the hi-fi stuff is often whisper fucking quiet. I don't understand how this is acceptable to people.

I guess it happens because some of them at least seem to be made without volume control, as in the volume control is expected to come from the audio interface / mixer / whatever they're plugged into by controlling the signal going into them. Makes sense to some degree, because you probably don't want to reach to your speakers in order to control the volume, they may not even be within arm's reach in the first place. But this means that any noise on their inputs is amplified full tilt at all times and as such can become clearly audible, which is honestly total ass.

>>106290557
>>106292732
I already have USB powered speakers (specifically these https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07DDK3W5D) which is why I'm so confused I'm getting significantly lower volume now, but I can't imagine anything other than a shitty amp could be causing it
>>106293271
I had these but they were shit so I just gave them to my kid

>>106288739
My first serious speaker system. Relegated to garage use now

>paradigm studio 20 and ten inch subwoofer
Its so much more than I need but damn they sound so much nicer than my overnight sensations

I just bought two that had cool lost technology in them

>>106290529
Standard USB3 ports IIRC are only rated for 5V and like 900mA, that's a tiny 4.5W. I don't think you're going to get any decent sound in that tiny power budget, at least not for good quality music. If you just want to hear computer beep boops and video voice over it's probably going to be fine.
>I have to use some little fucking box called Rog Hive for my PC and the amp in it is dogshit
Alright but I don't see the connection, why do you need speakers to be on USB *EXCLUSIVELY* because of that? Like it's not alright to have some DAC connected to USB and then powered speakers or an amplifier plugged into the wall? Why does it all need to run off this ROG Hive thing's USB?

>>106295213
>Standard USB3 ports IIRC are only rated for 5V and like 900mA, that's a tiny 4.5W. I don't think you're going to get any decent sound in that tiny power budget
Plugging the same speakers directly into the motherboard on my previous PC had probably like 2.5x the volume, which is what's causing the problem

I'm just trying to avoid having to use extra doodads, if I could get away with not using the hive I would, but without this thing, I literally don't have a functioning 3.5mm on my pc
>Alright but I don't see the connection, why do you need speakers to be on USB *EXCLUSIVELY* because of that? Like it's not alright to have some DAC connected to USB and then powered speakers or an amplifier plugged into the wall? Why does it all need to run off this ROG Hive thing's USB?
I was trying to avoid using the 3.5mm was my point

If it's not due to the Hive being worse than the motherboard I don't have any clue why suddenly the speakers are so much quieter

how big is too big for desktop speakers? The monitor is 27 inches. I used to have them wall mounted far away but I'm renovating and selling my house so...

Opinions on Audioengine? Their stuff keeps going on sale where I live.

I have two 100w 8Ω speakers and I want to buy longer cables for both, should the cables have specific specs or just "speaker cable" will do it? Will prolly buy it from ali

>>106296100
buy wire and add your own ends

>>106295139
Their output is only 1.2W per channel, I'm not shocked they're not particularly loud.

>>106295535
If you just want to avoid the 3.5mm output on that Hive thing then all you need to do is get some sort of USB DAC and plug a wall-powered amp or speakers into that and you'll get good quality sound that can be as loud as you want. Getting good speakers that are just USB powered isn't a thing, but good USB DACs certainly exist.

>>106296127
Both my amp and speaker don't need plugs, so just any wire? no thickness requirement or anything?

>>106296296
Thickness requirement kind of depends on the length of the cable and how much current you intend to push through it, as well as what the wire is made of (pure copper wire is better and more expensive, aluminium is worse but cheaper). In practical terms I'd say as long as you don't get some ultra-thin cheap shit it's going to be fine and you won't notice any audio issue.

>Used Fostex PM.03
>Used Monoprice 9723
>A dash of EQ
>Studio quality sound for $80 including tax and shipping
Ujelly, poorfags who were once richfags before spending all your money on overpriced snake oil?

>>106296325
Nice thanks

>>106295084
You never brought the topic up. Hit me with something, we'll talk. I read a book on the topic years ago.

>>106295130
You're not supposed to crank the monitor up all the way, turn it down until there's no hiss and turn up the input signal. That's how it's supposed to work.

>>106293041
I got a pair of Klipsch RF-82 tower speakers for like $700CAD on sale not long ago. Not their premium line, but still great considering what they cost. Just get shit when it goes on sale, there's 50% discounts to be had.

>>106296493
>Hit me with something
Believing that a $2000 set sounds better than a $150 set just because you've spent more money and didn't do any objective measurements, AKA the #1 reason people claim the super expensive speaker sets are superior and buy into snake oil audiovoodoo BS like magic cables.

>>106296627
>Believing that a $2000 set sounds better than a $150 set
If you spend the money properly there's no reason this should be a mere belief. You could stupidly spend $2000 and intelligently spend $150 and come out ahead with the cheaper purchase of course. But if you apply yourself to the problem and have either a $150 budget or a $2000 budget, you will always get better sound with the $2000 budget. Every single time.

>didn't do any objective measurements
You're against that though, you put all your faith in random A/B testing with random people who may or may not even be musically literate, listening to random music they may or may not even know. That's not objective measurement. It's subjective by definition.

It's easy to pick out you audio science review slaves.

>>106296656
>You're against that though
First, I haven't said anything, second, I believe in measurements as for how well the hardware reproduces sounds with an applicable margin of the human hearing limitation, not what you came up with and try to put into my mouth.
>It's easy to pick out you audio science review slaves
Sounds like you were flip-flopping which boogeyman you were arguing against mid-post so I don't feel like I should be delving further in a discussion with a mentally ill person.

>>106296691
>First, I haven't said anything
You didn't deny it. I can tell.

>I believe in measurements as for how well the hardware reproduces sounds with an applicable margin of the human hearing limitation
Sampling random morons isn't science. It's sociology at best.

>flip-flopping which boogeyman
I can't let you have all the fun, you went straight for assuming everybody who spends money on their audio equipment goes straight for snake oil. Why would you chastise somebody else for behavior you yourself freely engage in? Seems like something a woman would do.

>earbud general
>headphone general
>speaker general
>no hi-fi general
Can I discuss hi-fi and components here or will autists get pissy?

>>106297117
hifi general and speaker general are the same thing, hifi general is basically speaker general

>>106293271
>Edifier s3000pro
>>106295139
>I had these but they were shit so I just gave them to my kid
hifi fags are so elitist it's insane.

>>106292363
i dont watch movies watching movies is such a chore and music sounds the best with a 2.1 system

I have some active speakers that I want to connect to my Chromecast 4k. Anything wrong with going with a Apple dongle -> 3.5mm to RCA cable route for that?

>>106298369
No, that's fine if the Chromecast works with the dongle, I haven't tried it so I can't say.

I have an old LG CM4550 hooked up to the tv downstairs. Cheap stereo boombox best buy garbage I bought for cheap in college, but it beats the tv speakers.
My pc puts sound out to an Emotiva prramp/amp set which drives a pair of Elac 2.1s (?) Big fan of how they sound but I they could benefit from a subwoofer.

>>106298351
what if the music is surround sound

>>106288665 (OP)
I have some JBL studio monitors with a matching sub. Sounds good and does what I need.

>>106294045
Studio monitors are meant to sit behind the console, hiss is not a priority for them. For desktop use I never even bothered with anything other than passive. I didn't realize subwoofers can hiss but they can, fortunately setting the volume to -10dB in its settings solved it for my listening position.

EV made a 2.1 for a while.... i wish i could've bought it at the time

>>106298882
yeah ill spend thousands of dollars to be able to listen to surround sound albums. all 5 of them