Thread 106292508

any anons using those power lines network adapters? Are they good nowadays?
I used a pair of them back in the day and I remember they were awfully unreliable but maybe it was because those were off-brand chink garbage
I am planning to get a switch I would like to connect to rest of my network but it has to be positioned in such a spot that I cannot reliably run a network cable to it so was thinking about alternatives

They can be decent, but as you've probably read, it's almost entirely dependent on the wiring in your house. My dad uses my old TPlink adapters at their house, but it's for an old desktop. He probably wouldn't notice a difference if we got the latest generation ones.

Absolute cancer tier devices, do not buy

>>106292508 (OP)
If you have coaxial wiring (like for cable) in your walls, use MoCA adapters they're so much better.

>>106292508 (OP)
They're absolute dogshit, avoid at all costs.

>>106292508 (OP)
They work but both ends need to be on the same power circuit / rail, which is not likely if you are going across rooms. Otherwise you will have <10Mbps with lots of packet loss. Go with Wi-Fi with range extenders instead if needed.

>>106292621
>Go with Wi-Fi with range extenders instead if needed.
Seconding that, recently went from powerline to using a wifi repeater to replace them and my speeds doubled really wish I'd done it sooner.

>>106292508 (OP)
>Are they good nowadays?
no
> and I remember they were awfully unreliable
It depends on your wiring, if they didnt work well before, new ones will also suck if you plug them in those sockets

>>106292643
>>106292621
Or MoCA if you have coax wiring.

MoCA can do over 1gbps with only 1-2ms of additional latency, far better than WiFi extenders.

>>106292689
>if you have coax wiring
That's a big if

if you have coax in the house, I can recommend those moca adapters (ethernet over coax, 2.5Gb)
bit pricey but works great, and since the coax is not used for anything else here there's zero interference, unlike those powerline

>>106292508 (OP)
Enjoy burning your house down.

I hope your smoke detectors have fresh batteries and aren't chirping.

>>106292790
since when does concrete burn?

>>106292805
Americans haven't discovered concrete as a house building material yet anon.

>>106292703
Not in the US unless your house is built within the last decade or two.

I've lived in 6 houses and every one has had coax.

You know what's reliable ? An ethernet cable.

>>106292819
good thing I am not american

>>106292712
Pic related is an EU version
It can also use twisted pair phone cable as an alternative to coax

>>106292924
Me too anon, me too.

>>106292934
I bought the gocoax one (I live in BE) and it works pretty good. I even got a switch on one end and multiple devices going over that to the modem/router.
It's my first experience with moca, so I bought this one cause a youtuber (wolfgang) mentioned he bought it and it worked fine for him
Will look at your suggestion if I need another one cause gocoax was pricey: 160€ for the pair

>>106292508 (OP)
They suck ass. 50 megabits it most you can expect. So unless you're desperate, wifi is better.

>>106293010
I got almost 500Mbit/s when the two ends were basically on the same cable. It really depends on how the wiring was done.

>>106293038
For my use case — avoiding cat cable — they sucked, all recommendations and combinations produced shit performance. So I am going with fiber optic instead, hoping I can jam it into the door without breaking the cable as I have an opening.

>>106292508 (OP)
Now that Wi-fi is 50 times faster than the best powerline ethernet, they're kinda obsolete.
If you have a house large enough that you have Wi-fi signal problems, it's probably large enough that you're going to have multiple power circuits - which powerline ethernet can't cross.

>>106293284
Wifi is not full duplex

>not having Ethernet in every room
NGMI. Go ahead trust the wifi "encryption"

>>106293818
I hope you have single mode fiber in every room. Stinky cat5e is legacy crap

>>106292508 (OP)
>Slower than WiFi
>Less reliable than WiFi
>Higher latency than WiFi
>Higher package loss than WiFi

Literally what's the point?

I had tried them in a mobile home when router was on the opposite end and I had trash wifi. Some tplink "600mbps" adapters. Got about 10mb/s over file shares, it had a 2-3ms ping to the router, and every few hours I had to unplug and plug it back in because the connection would die.

I would just recommend figuring out a wireless solution.

I live in a 200 year old house and just gave up and use a pcie wifi7 adapter. It's fast enough. For those times you NEED the fastest internet the ethernet cable comes out and gets draped upstairs

>>106293997
>every few hours I had to unplug and plug it back in because the connection would die
The Powerline Experience.

>>106292508 (OP)
buy it
connect it
take it back if you don't like it
you're not entering in sensitive information at all
unlike routers

>>106292508 (OP)
just buy a fucking drill and go through the walls / floors like a man. this shit is for pussies.

>>106294069
If he's renting he can't.

>>106293767
You won't be worrying about full duplex when you have 200ms+ ping spikes
>t. owned two different sets of powerline adapters

>>106294108
powerline isn't the only alternative to wifi.

As others have mentioned, MoCA is fantastic.

just run the damn cable

>>106294135
>>106294083

>everyone says powerline is garbage
well, shit. I'm moving two floors lower and the wifi stays in my parents' apartment. I barely have reception down there, so I was hoping for an alternative. I doubt the landlord will allow me to run a 20+ meter cable outside the house.

>>106294179
You'd get absolutely abysmal results (if it works at all) with powerline in your situation anyway.

>>106294179
>moving to a different apartment
there is basically zero chance these would even work

>>106294179
This is where mesh wifi comes in.

>>106292577
>>106292689
>>106292712
These.

Can confirm, much faster then wifi, definitely faster than wifi extender and a lot cheaper then wiring. Only downside is if you dont have a cable outlet near you.

>>106294208
>>106294223
I see, shame.
>>106294255
Not sure if that will help because the signal still has to go through an entire floor. I guess I could try mounting a node on the upper apartment balcony and another one inside the lower apartment.

>>106294339
>Not sure if that will help because the signal still has to go through an entire floor
Yes but it's ultimately better than your client device trying to pick up a signal after it gone through the floor and having to deal with whatever distance or obstacles are afterwards.

Mesh can help minimize the suck

>>106292508 (OP)
I confess I've used some TP-Link AV1000 units at my house for nodes far away I haven't had time to run cable for. They work, but the connection is slow. I had two on the same circuit for a while and they got close to the designed 1GB speed.

It's really situational.

>>106294416
>>106294339
I've never had great experience with wireless backhaul mesh networks.

Wired backhaul stuff has been great, but a fully wireless mesh is just as susceptible to issues as any other purely wireless solution, you're still not going to get signal in some areas.

>>106294179
If you want to do this, your best bet is to buy high range routers for both sides and try to create a 5ghz wireless bridge on an unused channel if possible, if not settle for a 2.4ghz bridging. Channel selection will matter a lot.

>>106294558
Will this be better than mesh wifi? The price is also a concern because I'm a poorfag.

>>106294650
don't get fooled by marketing slogans
mesh is a standard wireless protocol 802.11s, it's just a fancy way of connecting nodes on data link layer in a way that creates a virtual, decentralised switch fabric. You may not even use wifi for accessing the network in that setup if you will, using wireless purely for backhaul
the other way of connecting routers wirelessly is WDS which is point to point so it's more static but if your routers don't move it's pretty much exactly the same
the other part of the "mesh" is the 802.11r which enables you to have N routers broadcasting the same wifi network name and your phone can seamlessly roam between them without loosing connection
802.11r is available for both "mesh" 802.11s and WDS

>>106294783
I see, thanks for explaining. I guess I'll try mounting a dish-type antenna access point directed downwards on the upper balcony.

>>106292508 (OP)
It really depends on the layout of your electrical grid and where you plug them in.

If both sockets happen to be on the same group with a direct connection between them they should work decent enough.
But if you're on the 3rd floor and the signals have to go down to the junction box on the 1st floor and then up again to the 4th floor it's going to be bad.

Also some appliances might fuck with the signals especially non-compliant Chinese junk.

A WiFi mesh network with strategically placed routers (like one near the stairs on every floor) will almost certainly be better.

>>106295031
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>>106294179

>>106294083
I've drilled loads of holes in my rental apartment.
Even running an HDMI cable through a wall from the room with my PC to my bedroom where my TV is.

I'll just fill them up when I move out.

>>106292508 (OP)
100ft Cat6 is $15

>>106292508 (OP)>>106294179
yes they work to keep a constant connection. my tv has shit wifi reception so i use one of these. the speed isn't insane but able to stream 1080p nietfilx.

i dont get why people are shitting on it. dont fall for the MoCA that is 10x more expensive unless you absolutely need high speed
>>106293891
yes it's slower than wifi but not less reliable. mine never lose connection

>>106295786
It literally cannot work for the setup he'll have.

>>106292508 (OP)
Depends a lot on the wiring of the house and if you have potential disruptors in it, and it's inherently limited in terms of bandwidth if that matters to you. It will never be as good as actual ethernet but it'll at least be better than wi-fi in terms of latency reliability if you wiring is fit for it

>>106292508 (OP)
I have one to an AirPort Express in the garage. It’s pretty solid, gets me about 802.1 g speeds which is fine for the ancient Sonos out there and the car to get its updates. Haven’t truly speed tested it but setup was braindead simple, click button on one, click button on other, they handshake, and you’re done.

>>106295912
>>106295904

>>106294179

>>106295919
Yeah I’m supposed to read whole threads now before piping in? Pshaw! That said reading that, homie should just ask pops to hang a cat6 out the window kek

>>106295919
Oops yeah 2 floors down I wouldn't even bother to try it'd be very rare for the wiring to allow it, OP should just run an ethernet cable in whatever way requires the least visible modifications to the house and undo them if he ever moves out

>>106292508 (OP)
Works in my house.

>>106295912
>and the car to get its updates

>>106292508 (OP)
They work, but they're horrendously slow. My house wiring is kinda shit though.
More reliable than WiFi but slower, I guess.

>>106292508 (OP)
Technically can work, but as FPBP >>106292541 said, it really depends on the wiring of the house as well as distance. The speeds they list in their spec sheets are under controlled ideal environments (assuming you don't buy chinkshit).
I wouldn't bother unless it's on the same room or next to it, but even in that case I'd just use Wifi.

>>106296919
i give it 5 years until new cars don't even work at all without an internet connection

>>106292508 (OP)
they are aimed to old people who not like flat Ethernet in corners. You see how most posts here are "My dad..." and "My parents"

>>106294179
sorry, I didn't mean to imply that I was OP. I'm just another anon.

>>106292508 (OP)
Been using them for like 8 years now (TP link as well), and they've been great. In my experience they're a bit faster than wifi for me, but that's probably because my router was a few rooms away.
Main appeal is that eliminated my latency/connection drops ENTIRELY, which is the most important thing. Made playing online games actually doable without teleporting everywhere, which puts it above any wifi alternative.

It really depends on the wiring in your house, but for me it was a night and day difference. I imagine the people ITT complaining about speeds just have old ass houses, as my speeds were plenty to stream 1080p video, or playing online without issue

>>106292508 (OP)
A bunch of faggots ITT saying they suck without even elaborating why. Makes me think they haven't used them at all, and makes me wonder why they bothered replying at all.

I'm using the exact ones you posted, from Amazon. Router is downstairs, other end is in my room on the 2nd floor. It's a low quality Mcmansion, so the wiring is all 14 gauge like it's still 1985 or something. I highly doubt you'll have smaller wiring than that in your home.
Results: Ping dropped from ~200ms to 30ms. However, speed also dropped from about 130Mbps over Wifi to 90Mbps. Don't trust the advertised speeds on the product listing.

For me, it's totally worth it. It's still fast enough to stream 4K video, and If I'm ever downloading something massive, I can just change to Wifi through my OS. High ping is a dealbreaker for any sort of competitive online game.

Whats the fucking point of this shit? They cost no less than double the length of a cat5 cable, if they go through coax they cost a ton becayse no one, except heavy industry uses coax. Even if you live in a rented apt, getting several 30 feet + female/female sockets will do wonders for up to 300 feet.

>>106292508 (OP)
They work, but I only use them for things that don't need ultra-high bandwidth, like TVs and game consoles. I only get about 100 mbps down on them. On my desktop I run an ethernet line so I can get 1Gbps.

I've heard great things of Ethernet over Coaxial adapters and to prefer them instead, so that's another option.

>>106294159
>>106294083
Not my problem. I dump concrete down my drains before I leave because I want the landlord to suffer for raising my rent

>>106299445
Ethernet>MoCA>Wireless>Powerline
At this point, a good wifi setup will generally be superior to Powerline, due to the variables involved with powerline. MoCA is usually a solid substitute for Ethernet, and if the cables and adapters are good enough is essentially the same as ethernet.

>>106299516
I had my house cabled with glass fibre to future proof it. Now I can’t find any connectors that go from a TV to Fibre.

>>106299650
Use cat6 from TV to switch that has an SFP port

>>106292508 (OP)
I had a set of these - I could access my next door neighbours ADSL.modem/router when using them

>>106292508 (OP)
I had these exact same TPLink ones and they kinda sucked for the wiring in my house. Dropped down to 3mbps at some points, tended to drop out, just horrible. Invest in the 1-2 Gigabit models, they use a better version of the Powerline protocol and actually get reasonable speeds

>>106299885
If you are going to "invest" in anything, invest in a better solution. Decent wifi, MoCA, or ethernet can be had for around the same price as "good" powerline, and run circles around it.

>>106299900
>wifi
Gross
>MoCA
I don't live in the US, we don't have coax hookups from cable TV in every room
>Ethernet
Sure, I'll just drill holes in my wall and get up in the roof to wire up an Ethernet setup, or even better, just have tons of Ethernet cables running loose along the floor. Why do you think people choose to use powerline instead of getting an Ethernet hookup done?

>>106299923
while not ideal, a good wifi modern wifi setup will out perform powerline in both speed and reliability. Why do you need a spaghetti of cables everywhere to use ethernet. A single strategically placed ethernet cable or two plus some switches will keep the spegetti mess to a minimum. You also dont need to drill or string cable everywhere. They make ethernet designed to be run along or behind baseboards. You can also get creative with conduit and not have to drill.

>>106299259
>Main appeal is that eliminated my latency/connection drops ENTIRELY, which is the most important thing. Made playing online games actually doable without teleporting everywhere, which puts it above any wifi alternative.
this, you will not get the best throughput but you get surprisingly good latencies, and for online gaming that all you need.

>>106299328
>implies everyone else is stupid and/or a liar
>why yes im a fucking gaymur
Get the fuck off my board you worthless piece of shit, or I'll kill you and your entire fucking family.

>>106300377
You may proceed to shit yourself and cry about, angry little faggot.

>>106300377
Between freetards and gamers, /g/ is useless now.

>>106292508 (OP)
>Are they good nowadays?
is there some implication they can be improved? i've always thought the bottleneck was your house's wiring.

>>106292620
I've got gigabit internet and found barely any difference.
They've said to not plug them into a powerboard but got no choice and it's fine.
>>106292643
Are you sure you didn't have 100Mbps ones?
>>106293038
My experience too
>If you have a house large enough that you have Wi-fi signal problems
My concrete walls are so thick that you can be 2m from the router and the 2.4Ghz signal is dogshit. 5Ghz is useless.

>>106292508 (OP)
Getting about 200-300Mbps using these, that's depending where they are connected in the house and the house is a 15years old with pretty modern wiring.

I had 3, but one would become very unreliable and disconnect almost daily. Dropped to two and it's not great either - have to reset them weekly. Problem is - one's connected next to a PC and if I unplug that PC goes off (I just leave it in sleep mode). The other plug is just taking it's own socket for that reason, so no device gets shut down.

If I could I would not use them, but between this and even shittier wireless connection on my TV, this is okay.

>>106299964
>a good wifi modern wifi setup will out perform powerline in both speed and reliability
t.doesn't live in an apartment building in one of the most densely populated areas in Asia
All the channels are so fucking clogged where I am. Can see a hundred SSID's. Wifi is still garbage-tier even in ideal situations. A lightning strike

>>106292508 (OP)
They tend to have horrible jitter and latency due to all the switched-mode power supplies shitting up your lines. Also the performance is heavily dependent on your house wiring, and they might not work (well) across different circuits or not at all across different phases.

>>106300697
forgot picture

>>106300679
>Are you sure you didn't have 100Mbps ones?
picrel is what I had, complete shit that would constantly disconnect and be so fucking hot when you unplugged them I was legit worried for my plugs.

>>106292577
I've got two moca adapters running right now to get wifi from the back of my house network stack to the front. Can confirm they are awesome, just work, and pretty cheap.

>>106292577
Yep, can vouch for MoCA, have ~2.5Gbps running through the coax wiring because it's a rental house with no ethernet but amazing coax runs

>>106294179
get your own internet, either via the landlord or behind his back

>>106303461
Maybe one day they might actually make the MoCA 3.0 stuff

>>106292508 (OP)
They suck donkey ass. After years of putting up with that shit I finally caved and bought pic related. Yes it's a pain to install around the entire house, especially doors, but it's worth it. Now I have super fast and stable network everywhere. Fuck powerline and fuck wifi.

if I were in a concrete commie block I'd honestly just rather run conduit all over the place along the ceiling than fuck with any kind of piggyback solution.

>>106292621
We used to use these to link 2 apartments together, but I think it eventually failed to make a good connection due to some renovation or because of some random chinkshit appliance (I can sometimes hear noisy chinkshit interference running through my speakers and headphones, so I'm guessing it's that).
>>106294179
Internet and electricity has to get from a central distribution point to apartments somehow. Maybe see if you trace the channels and get from one apartment to another with fiber optic.

>>106293851
I think I used Cat7 but i can pull in new cables if the need arises. Just not sure i can do fiber with the max bend radius

>>106303491
I'm a poorfag student, I can't afford that.

>>106303867
Ask the neighbors right between you to keep a repeater plugged in and pay him for the power

>>106303950
Good idea, that might be my last resort option.