Thread 106296847

Why is no one complaining about AI overcapacity? It already has detrimental effect to electric grid, fresh water supply, and GPU pricing

>fresh water supply
They don't "literally" waste water anon, you know that liquid coolant used in your car? Electric turbines use something similar.
They don't in any shape or form waste water like those retard articles claim. At all.

>>106296879
>>fresh water supply
>>They don't "literally" waste water anon, you know that liquid coolant used in your car? Electric turbines use something similar.
>>They don't in any shape or form waste water like those retard articles claim. At all.
coolant use is a percentage of water + coolant. Cars use 30% coolant + 70% water.
So yes they use and waste water for useless AI toys.

>>106296847 (OP)
AI make line go up
Nothing else matters but line go up

>cold water goes in
>component cools, water heats
>hot water comes out
>wait for water to cool naturally
>repeat
How does this shit "wastes" water?

>>106297059
Because it gets 'dirty' really quick after only a few cycles, full of microbes and shit and then not much use for cooling or drinking. The cooling is also evaporative, loses another fair bit. Then, for good last, the climate is so fucking dry in Texas that the air basically becomes conductive, which is Not Good in a datacenter and they have to add humidity. With guess what. tldr, Texas is a really, really stoopid fucking place to be building these and as a result they do, apparently unavoidably, require fuckloads of freshwater.

>>106297201
Whatever, I'm sure they can just ask the AI to fix it

>>106297201
>>106297222
No need for ai, just relocate to norway or whever they build those icy data centers. Problemo solved.

>>106297299
Alaska would do, not like it gets used for much else. Anywhere except the most retarded place possible, other than maybe Vegas.

>>106297201
What do you think happens to water when it evaporates?

>>106296879
no, in this case they literally do because they use it for evaporative cooling. But you don't care about the facts, do you, brown chuddie?

>>106297330
it automagically returns itself, clean fresh and cool, to the intake pipe of these retarded shit holes? Oh no, it doesn't do that at all does it. Otherwise they wouldn't be needing 463 million gallons because built in fuck retarded spot because politics/taxes/whatever bs. Would they.

>>106297313
Alaska doesn't have cheap electricity though.

>>106297330
You lose water when water evaporates in one area. It goes into the atmosphere and precipitates elsewhere. So if texas loses 1 liter to evaporation, it may proceed to precipitate that same 1 liter in chicago. Therefore texas being one of the dryest areas is a stupid idea to use massive amounts of water cooled data centers. It would be like building a fresh water lake in the sahara desert and hoping the water stays there.

>>106297397
Well, maybe that's an issue they need to sort out, as Texas doesn't appear to have vast amounts of water to needlessly waste either.

>>106296847 (OP)
AI is more profitable than those other things. It is a free market. If you don't like it start your own business.

>>106297313
Aren't you guys selling Alaska to the ruskies? I guess if you take Canada you can't have Alaska otherwise you'd get anti-trusted for monopoly over the continent?

>>106296847 (OP)
Isn't water vapor the main greenhouse gas?

>>106297414
Areas with cheap electricity are that way because the geography and climate are favorable to it. Alaska doesn't have that.

>>106297443
I'm not American m8, but Trump doesn't do much without a real estate deal ticking somewhere in the background. Must have been some reason for dragging Putin there, because it certainly doesn't seem to have done Ukraine much good. EOD, it's (Alaska) part of America as well, it's fucking useless otherwise, but near perfect for this. I'm sure someone could run a few cables and equalise the electric prices somewhat with Texas.

>>106297059
>>wait for water to cool naturally
It's cheaper for them to just pour the hot water away and bring in new cold water.

>>106297501
>hot water comes out
>comes out
Yes, that is what I meant. The water cools back in the lake or wherever, the water cycle.

>>106297444
Yes. Yet another case of companies making a mess and telling everyone else to clean it up for them. Literally every environmental problem would go away if companies actually cleaned up after themselves, but instead we get faux-environmentalist propaganda telling us to recycle things that are likely going to be dumped into the ocean by Chinese contractors anyway.

>>106297032
Line goes up until investors are ready to face the reality that "AI" is just text patterns and will never grasp the nuances of human intelligence in its present form.

>>106296847 (OP)
>Another day where leftists don't understand how the weather or water works
And they wonder why faith in climate change is plummeting when it's most avid defenders don't know how fucking evaporation and condensation functions.

>>106297795
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>>106297795
If you'd read the fucking thread first you illiterate cunt, it has been explained by about three different anons exactly why it's not that simple. Or not as simple as you, at any rate.

>>106296847 (OP)
AI is a problem, but not fucking RICE FARMS in Texas. Makes sense.

>>106297830
>>106297831
They're not dumping thousands of liters of water when a condensation tank made out of pot metal would let you recycle that water for free.

>>106296947
Anon, car coolant last like 2 or 3 years without needing refill

>>106296847 (OP)
Illegal aliens in Texas consume 57 billion gallons of water per year.

>>106298009
>2 or 3 years
top kek

ban evaporative cooling for data centers
problem solved

>>106297729
>Never grasp the nuances of human intelligence
Neither do thirdies, but they're still capable of occupying jobs. They don't want or need replacement humans, what they need is barely-functioing slave labor. The machines of today are entirely capable of that, its just that nobody wants to foot the bill for automation, so they're going with the hype train/investment model.

>>106297832
...did you really just ask AI to tell you why AI isn't actually all that bad?

>>106297397
The Amount of oil in Alaska plus the ability to put all the equipment off the coast seems like a no brainer. Also, Russia seems like it should have the same ability, if they wanted to increase internal manufacturing.

I thought I hated AI, but if it hurts retarded Americans I love it

>>106297059
That water that comes out doesn't go back into the water supply, it goes into waste water.

>>106297330
The water cycle isn't magic.
Evaporating 1 million liters of water doesn't mean you'll get an extra 1 million liters of rain in the catchments feeding your supply.
Where that water vapor goes and falls as rain is not deterministic.

>>106297839
They are literally dumping the water.
It is much easier, and cheaper, to bring in new, cooler, water to help cool the loop than have a closed loop.

>>106298416
>water used to cool stuff can not go back to the supply of water for cooling the system again
Why?

>>106298009
data centers dont run like cars anon.
data centers use evaporative cooling methods.
you have to continually add water to make up for the evaporation - but then you also have to somehow clean that water in the loop as the evaporation leaves behind anything in the water, typically calcium, so the system needs considerable turnover- to keep the calcium levels low.
this is why they need fresh water and have considerable waste.

>>106298587
Is it not practical or cost effective to use closed-loop cooling with giant radiators and fans?

>>106296847 (OP)
if they need water, then use seawater?
coincidentally, Texas has a border with the ocean

>>106299014
You do know what seawater does to metals, specially the copper cooling system pipes are made out of, right?

>>106296847 (OP)
>why is no one complaining
people are constantly complaining about jews and their determined desire to commit die using golems like the last epoch. theyre just not listening. you can hear the psychic kvetching of their dead ancestors the loudest. Imagine writing an entire genre of fables about golems only to be ignored again.

>>106299025
of course rust, but it doesn't have to use sea water directly, desalination? or just stainless steel?

>>106299079
What happens to salt water when it heats up and evaporates, it leaves behind salt residue, so imagine using salt water in an evaporation cooling system, it cant be closed looped because it would need to be cleaned before it goes in. Now you have to clean the salt and the calcium from the water, double duty. Fresh water is all you can use.
The only thing salt water is good for is the oceans and the seas.

>>106297059
>hot water comes out
use hawt water for low temp geothermal energy production

>>106299079
Microsoft tried it in 2020 so I think the power consumption for desalinization might be too high.

>>106298237
Did your H1B get rejected again Rankesh?

>>106298219
NTA, but AI doesn't have selfpreservation, so your argument isn't valid.

The surface of our planet is covered in a miles deep layer of water. Water shortages are a failure of proper planning and logistics.