/utwg/ - unemployed tech workers general
Man these threads are depressing. Glad I never went into coding. Hey if any of yall need a job we need people to change brake pads at the auto shop. Bring your own Gatorade but we play 90s heavy metal in the garage all day.
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 7:31:28 PM
No.106303851
>>106303349
how is graphic design similar to cs? accounting is more similar to cs than graphic design
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 7:33:01 PM
No.106303872
>>106303904
>>106314916
How is the job market for EE grads? I have an EE degree but never put it into use. Got laid off from my SWE job ad wondering if I could get back into that field
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 7:35:33 PM
No.106303904
>>106303872
Terrible but allegedly not as bad as the software engineering market.
>>106303788
I looked into this before and the local auto shop was offering less than my rent. I live in literally the cheapest apartment in my city, which is why I chose it.
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 7:48:30 PM
No.106304048
>>106310825
>>106313912
is it worth getting a bachlors in CS ?
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 7:49:02 PM
No.106304055
>>106304104
>>106313134
Do you agree?
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 7:52:25 PM
No.106304093
>>106303723 (OP)
>pic
How do we program an auto farm?
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 7:53:35 PM
No.106304104
>>106304225
>>106319034
>>106304055
I've been unemployed since... May, I wanna say. I got nearly ten years experience and a decent portfolio and yet I can't even get an interview. Get raped, Sam.
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 8:03:59 PM
No.106304225
>>106304267
>>106304104
whats in your portfolio?
>>106304225
Trying to keep it a bit vague as to not to dox myself: a static site made for a friend done in Nuxt, a WordPress site with a professional design and a lot of custom and neat functionality, a dashboard that lets caregivers plan out the days of their clients and a 3D arcade game made with threejs.
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 8:08:26 PM
No.106304280
>>106304286
>>106308546
>>106304267
Why would you make this, it's worthless.
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 8:08:46 PM
No.106304286
>>106304301
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 8:09:26 PM
No.106304293
>>106304315
>>106308546
>>106304267
at 10 yoe your portfolio should matter little. ideally your work experience should fill out the whole resume. and those are not impressive portfolio projects for your experience anyway so i would scrap it
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 8:09:54 PM
No.106304301
>>106304315
>>106304286
I mean what's the point of these projects.
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 8:10:56 PM
No.106304315
>>106304354
>>106304364
>>106304301
Getting paid by clients, or for fun.
>>106304293
I got no clue what to put on the thing anyway beyond "look at the variety of stuff I can work with".
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 8:14:49 PM
No.106304354
>>106304363
>>106304371
>>106304315
None of that shit matters, you need to be able to do extremely complex discrete math or you're getting replaced by an H1B.
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 8:15:36 PM
No.106304363
>>106304370
>>106304354
>you need to be able to do extremely complex discrete math
To be a web dev...?
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 8:15:37 PM
No.106304364
>>106304389
>>106304315
You're saying someone actually contacted you and commissioned those projects? Like, to make the first ever dashboard that lets caregivers plan out the days of their clients? So it didn't exist before they contracted you specifically to make it?
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 8:16:17 PM
No.106304370
>>106304371
>>106304363
Web dev isn't a job. That's an H1B role. You want a job, right? A real one? You need to be a 200x coding prodigy mechanical engineer.
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 8:16:39 PM
No.106304371
>>106304354
>>106304370
>replaced by an
Nah we fixed it already, they're not getting in anymore.
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 8:18:00 PM
No.106304389
>>106304406
>>106304364
Yes, that is what "getting paid by a client" means.
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 8:18:48 PM
No.106304396
>>106304422
>>106308800
Is getting into CS grad school actually as easy as the "go to grad school for a Master's if you couldn't secure an internship during undergrad" advice suggests?
I'm a rising senior and I'm about to start a research project with a professor I cold-emailed. But would only starting research in senior fall hurt my chances?
A lot of the CS grad programs I'm looking at "strongly recommend" or even require the GRE, which is basically the SAT 2. Already been looking at that, and am probably going to take it late September (and again in October if I bomb the September one).
My GPA is around exactly 3.6, but my schedule next year's so jam-packed it could very well dip below into the 3.5 range.
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 8:19:31 PM
No.106304406
>>106304389
So they just haven't looked around then.
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 8:20:57 PM
No.106304422
>>106304601
>>106304396
>require the GRE
CS majors? Who requires that?
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 8:34:52 PM
No.106304601
>>106305122
>>106308441
>>106304422
Rutgers
A few of the others I've looked into, such as Stony Brook and Temple, "strongly recommend" the GRE.
I've been practicing for it, and honestly my inability to do math and English I should've been able to do in HIGH SCHOOL just makes me feel incredibly retarded. They're probably going to pass me over for infinity international students or some shit because I only got a 150/170 and they'd prefer a 167.
No wonder Master's programs are so filled with those fellas. I've roomed with some before and they've been some of the most insufferable "young people" I've ever met in my life. My parents also did graduate studies in the US after moving here from China, and I don't care how many layers of Asian Kid Hell feeling this way takes me, but... my parents are really insufferable as well.
(Naive little me, sitting next to a hot brunette girl in 6th grade in every major class, thinking SHE was the worst person my age range because "muh girls icky", and that contributing to a long story that ended with me having to go to sped school. But that's a story for another day.)
Like I said, I only have 1 research experience to date, that would be "in progress" if I decide to apply to grad school in November this year. I mean, that's already probably better than many other CS students. But is it enough for grad school? (Doubt.)
Maybe I deserve to work at a fucking store forever. Everyone hates me I think, and everyone who likes me is just pretending to do so to prevent me from aping or some shit. Like the fucking Truman show. I bet I could literally drop dead and people would rejoice because I'll be dead and they think I can't hear them.
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 8:51:44 PM
No.106304821
>>106308546
>>106311328
I got laid off in February, how do I explain the time gap to the roasties?
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 9:20:29 PM
No.106305122
>>106306278
>>106304601
I feel you, it do be like that sometimes
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 10:06:20 PM
No.106305563
you can just query job posts in natural language in linkedin now and its pretty good.
search for the role you want + under 50 applicants posted in the past week for good results
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 10:11:52 PM
No.106305604
>>106303788
Are you in the Midwest?
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 10:42:51 PM
No.106305903
>>106307873
>>106303788
all the boomers near me constantly complain that young guys quit on their first day and refuse to work but whenever I say "ok i'm looking for a job, hire me then" they make up some excuse why they cant
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 11:00:33 PM
No.106306090
I don't think I can take this for much longer
wtf is your problem? why keep making these generals? I used to code and maintain servers, I would literally die before I do it again why do you whine thread after thread about the shittiest way to waste your life?
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 11:05:22 PM
No.106306156
>>106306192
>>106312349
>>106306138
some autist gets REALLY mad when people seeking a job post in /twg/
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 11:07:36 PM
No.106306192
>>106306156
you just cry like little bitches, skills will get you only so far your smelly attitude will be spotted from a mile away especially from a HR roastie
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 11:10:51 PM
No.106306232
boohoo I haven't worked for a femtosecond what am I going to doo!? LITERALLY UNEMPLOYABLE
lmao fucking retards, I would never hire you
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 11:12:55 PM
No.106306258
also if you have to learn how to present yourself IT'S OVER should have practiced social skills more
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 11:14:38 PM
No.106306278
>>106305122
Well then WTF AM I SUPPOSED TO DO
Anonymous
8/18/2025, 11:28:12 PM
No.106306404
>>106312535
>32
>never had a job
>looking for tech job
>literally nothing entry level
>taking sec+ cert test soon (getting 85+/90 correct on practice tests)
Now what. There's no junior security analyst positions available anywhere.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 12:31:08 AM
No.106306877
>>106306138
grim
what do you do now?
Is jobs.now legit?
Where was this site years ago? Why isnβt something like it a required part of the process to hire an H1B?
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 12:38:46 AM
No.106306952
>>106306944
It's legit in the sense that it is listing jobs that are hidden away from Americans on purpose. You will not get those jobs, but you can make an H1B's life a hell of a lot harder by applying for them.
Looking at the jobs.now listings is killing me. Decent 6 figures on almost no requirements aside from speaking hindi and being from a decent caste. I don't even care if they're offering 30%-50% less than competitors, it's still really good pay for stuff I have experience with. No hidden salary, no 10+ yr requirements on a dozen tech products. Any reservations I might have had over hating jeets before is completely gone now.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 12:43:37 AM
No.106306992
>>106307076
>>106308546
>>106306944
>Why isnβt something like it a required part of the process to hire an H1B
This is how it works: you're a CEO at some big tech company in the US, and you're a cheap bastard with zero understand of how coding or tech work. Might as well hire some Indians from overseas, right? As far as you know code is code and it doesn't matter where it's from, so you might as well apply to the government to get you visas to get those bastards into the country. But uh oh, the American government doesn't like it when you only bring in people from overseas when there's plenty of American citizens you could've chosen from instead. You need to prove that you couldn't find any American employees before they'll let you fly in all your future slaves. So what do you do? You don't put your jobs on LinkedIn or your company's site, you dump them in some small local newspaper, wait a few weeks and then whine that you need H1Bs to fill all those jobs that lazy pig Americans won't fill. Tada, you abused the system!
jobs.now simply lists all those vacancies that big companies typically place in obscure places so they can get their visas. As for why it only happens now, well, a mix of the job market being fucking awful right now and Trump clamping down on H1B visas I suppose.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 12:44:48 AM
No.106307007
>>106306944
>Why isnβt something like it a required part of the process to hire an H1B?
You have to understand that H1B is just the middle-classes illegal alien problem. A lot of these companies are outright committing fraud and it has never been enforced against before.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 12:49:31 AM
No.106307051
>>106308508
>>106306987
1 year if experience for a senior is insane. There's no way this isn't fraud.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 12:53:02 AM
No.106307076
>>106307873
>>106306992
Trump's not clamping down enough.
And frankly, it doesn't really matter because just like the refugee problem, all these organizations have just resolved to start doing this shit against the law, even with the threat of enforcement. And can he, even? Unless ICE becomes the de-facto largest federal policing force with the jurisdiction to prosecute all crimes, the only thing that has stopped this shit historically has been citizen militias that were given carte blanche by the government.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 1:29:08 AM
No.106307379
>>106307721
I'm pretty close to lying about an internship just to stop getting rejected. All I have is two years of hell desk work as a student worker that was years ago, so I assume the rest of my resume just gets auto rejected by the system.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 1:41:33 AM
No.106307473
im literally applying to 50k IT helldesk/admin jobs, was making 100k as a dev before I got laid off. The market is that dogshit.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 1:58:57 AM
No.106307626
>>106307873
Let's be real for a couple of seconds guys.
Is there any way that any of this ends without a lot of people dying
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 2:11:35 AM
No.106307721
>>106307379
GL getting past the background check
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 2:32:06 AM
No.106307873
>>106307918
>>106305903
You should just call them pieces of shit to their faces
>>106307076
> citizen militias that were given carte blanche by the government
I think it was moreso that the government was scared of said militias
>>106307626
no
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 2:37:50 AM
No.106307918
>>106307952
>>106307873
Only the wrong government. When we win, being a liberal, non-white, or a treasonous faggot won't be illegal, per say, but it will find you enjoying a new hobby of swinging from trees.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 2:42:18 AM
No.106307952
>>106307960
>>106307918
I'm sure you'll be safe though, right? Surely they won't turn on (You), because fascism needs to invent enemies to maintain its existence.
>>106307952
Fuck your libertarian bullshit. We needed a strong, pro-white government to stop this shit in the first place. Libertarianism is why none of us have jobs you dumb fuck, or have you forgotten that exporting all our jobs overseas is a pro-capital move?
WE HAVE IT.
PERM JOB LISTINGS ARE POSTED IN PRINT ADVERTISEMENTS (only the Sunday edition per PERM requirements)
https://x.com/juicystar1908/status/1957465435160584640
These are the entry-level and more jobs corps have been trying to outsource to h1b indians. It's the reason new grads have a hard time finding a software job, and all you have to do is check the Sunday edition of your local papers for the PERM listings.
also jobs now is aggregating them if you upload pictures of newspaper classifieds sections.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 3:46:47 AM
No.106308441
>>106304601
Prepping for the GRE, or honestly even going for any kind of grad studies, pisses the living hell out of me. I now have to do it on top of all the other newgrad prep, and it literally makes me feel like a fucking international student
Like it's a long, long story, but I've been treated like one all the time, and IT FUCKING PISSES ME OFF
I wonder if the GRE is the worst ever designed test to date, like it's so hard to get a good score on the practice tests I've done and they force you to memorize stupid vocab lists, and doing so literally makes me feel like some foreign kid living in his multigenerational house and whose parents would literally give him a belt for going off and partying, aka what any normal college student is better off doing than whatever THIS is
Is it bad to get upset and pissed off over the GRE, or is it a skill issue in which should I just suck it up and keep practicing? AKA what I could've done to avoid this mess entirely with LeetCode the past 2 summers. And for the record, I'm a US citizen.
And then there's the question as to how I'm supposed to pay for the damn thing
Is THIS what it takes to get literally ANY fucking job that lets me get out of mom's house so I can have girls over and cook my own meals and shit? Like it doesn't have to be SWE at Google and the TC doesn't have to be 200k. I just want something, anything, in which I can settle into the job and work my way up from THERE, you know.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 3:47:50 AM
No.106308450
>>106308461
>>106308404
Big worm?
More like big PERM.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 3:49:13 AM
No.106308461
>>106308450
ahh here we go
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 3:55:06 AM
No.106308508
>>106307051
If it is, it is some secret fucking handshake on the employer's part. You copy the ref code in the meta example and the listing comes up on meta's site.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 4:01:07 AM
No.106308546
>>106304280
>>106304293
anon was paid to something for clients and you call that useless?
you faggots live in a bubble lmao. the point of having a job is to do whatever you are paid to do, not to get bragging points.
>>106304821
>how do I explain the time gap to the roasties?
you just tell them "I got laid off in February (the job market is bad atm) and have not been able to find a job"
>>106306138
>I used to
why did you stop doing it and what do you do now?
>>106306992
>the American government doesn't like it when you only bring in people from overseas
LMAO
https://youtu.be/G1wyatzXz1U?t=35
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 4:10:25 AM
No.106308609
>>106308404
Also, you can apparently read them at the library without buying all of the papers.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 4:16:24 AM
No.106308646
>>106308652
>>106308404
It's been an open "secret" for like 20 years that they put these jobs in the newspaper. No offense... but how are you people just NOW hearing about it? Are you zoomers or something?
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 4:17:53 AM
No.106308652
>>106308646
Who gives a fuck if you just now learn it, we're going to fuck them with applications from American citizens.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 4:33:37 AM
No.106308767
>>106308934
>>106309095
I'm just sitting here listening to trance music and having qwen code my whole startup in django while I eat ice cream. Occasionally I just alt tab over in my VR goggles and answer simple questions. This is amazing. Best of all I don't need some retarded mac with webex and scrum.
Fuck being "employed" I'm not coming back.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 4:35:20 AM
No.106308784
>>106306987
What the fuck? Where are all these racist right wing death squads everyone's worried about? We need more of them.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 4:36:48 AM
No.106308800
>>106308816
>>106304396
>ol actually as easy as the "go to grad school for a Master's if you couldn't secure an internship d
All education is pay to play but free if you belong there in the US.
Hey guys, how bad is it for you right now? I'm currently employed but fucking hate my job and want to quit. If I do, do I have any chance of ever getting back into the industry? Maybe after a 6 month break? I don't really want to hold onto this job as a lifeline but I guess I will if I have to.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 4:39:08 AM
No.106308816
>>106308824
>>106308800
Oversimplification, considering I got rejected from UMich and UMD for undergrad
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 4:41:32 AM
No.106308824
>>106308925
>>106308816
Why does that make what he said an oversimplification? It just means you couldn't pay to play and don't belong there.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 4:44:07 AM
No.106308844
>>106308886
>>106308808
>how bad is it for you right now?
About the same as it's been for the past couple years.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 4:48:57 AM
No.106308886
>>106308844
Oh, that's fine then. I just got this job a year ago and had no problem finding it so I guess I'll quit.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 4:52:08 AM
No.106308919
>>106308960
>>106309120
>>106307960
how about just not being evil.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 4:52:53 AM
No.106308925
>>106309122
>>106308824
Your original statement is so vaguely worded it barely means anything
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 4:54:30 AM
No.106308934
>>106308952
>>106321768
>>106308767
What trance music, anon?
It really is the best music to do anything to. I work on projects, read, exercise, drive... pretty much do everything while listening to trance.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 4:56:25 AM
No.106308952
>>106308980
>>106308934
>What trance music, anon?
I've been enjoying David Khandi.
>It really is the best music to do anything to.
Eh. It's probably max dopamine. I feel like Ambient is better if you really want to get something done but I just don't care that way these days.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 4:57:51 AM
No.106308960
>>106309095
>>106308919
How about we just put you in an oven. We tried not being "evil" and you guys brought in the most vial people beyond what we could even imagine. Evil is letting this continue.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 5:01:12 AM
No.106308980
>>106309089
>>106308952
You mean Daniel Kandi?
If so, I have a couple of his on my favorites playlist
https://youtu.be/b6wZBjLpIbY
https://youtu.be/8CP9XSyv1tg
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 5:15:39 AM
No.106309089
>>106309684
>>106308980
Oh yeah that guy. He's definitely my favorite right now. This one is amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HffnoU3eIGk
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 5:16:12 AM
No.106309095
>>106309293
>>106309371
>>106308960
Slaughter and mayhem won't take you anywhere. This needless stress is shortening your already limited life as your brain increasingly shrinks and tunnels only on meaningless garbage until eventually you land in prison or commit suicide, as is the fate of all /pol/acks.
Personally, I'm a NEET these days. Playing Rivals of Aether. Just finished my snack of apple slices too. Yes, following 13 years of being a computer janitor, I think I've earned it.
>>106308767
It's good to take things easy. My brother who got a TBI which reduced his INT to 0 and lives paycheck to paycheck, sometimes a driver, sometimes a construction worker, could really use it too. Well, I help him when and where I can, but his insistence on doing all things on his own gets in the way. I feel sorry for him. Was pretty sharp too, and then bam, crash, hospitalized, rendered functionally retarded, foggy memory, crippled. Starting from 0. Forever unable to get to 1.
I stopped trying hard myself, ever since. Life's all just RNG and since we're in a world where can check out and entertain ourselves, I put that as my absolute priority. Adam, your crying at night is audible to all.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 5:18:27 AM
No.106309120
>>106308919
Oh fuck you. Stiner was right, morality is a spook. Go pray to your jew on a stick.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 5:18:38 AM
No.106309122
>>106308925
Oh, you can't read. I see.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 5:36:42 AM
No.106309256
>>106309293
>>106307960
"strong" "pro white" "government" is who did this in the first place
if you think jews are your problem, allow me to introduce you to the Protestant Work Ethic and just how many times it reiterates that you are the god-given property of the landowner class
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 5:41:39 AM
No.106309293
>>106309416
>>106309095
Wow you sound like you're actually retarded and couldn't do anything beyond NEETing if you wanted to.
>Life's all just RNG
Well you're about to be "RNGed" into an oven by people who are able to connect cause and effect. But I guess the good news is you're too stupid to see it coming and should be relaxed and entertained right up until the last minute.
>>106309256
>the landowner class
Oh cool you're doing that thing where you say you're going after "the rich" and then turn around and viciously attack normal middle class people. We can all tell exactly who and what you are from here.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 5:43:36 AM
No.106309304
>>106309335
>>106307960
>We needed a strong, pro-white government to stop this shit in the first place
Because you're a weak faggot who can't read the signs on the wall that if you don't build, you won't survive. Are the jobs gone to jeets? Yes. Will they make better products with jeets than with you? No, because it is proven that tech companies are making dogshit products now because of their dogshit hiring practices. Me and you acknowledge that the system is broken and that we need a new one. However, you don't acknowledge that it's on both of us including the rest of the autistic fucks at large to build it on our own and to keep the destructive asshats at bay. It isn't the job of someone else to take care of your weak ass.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 5:47:28 AM
No.106309335
>>106309340
>>106309304
>keep the destructive asshats at bay.
Says the destructive asshat who let the barbarians in.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 5:48:59 AM
No.106309340
>>106309377
>>106309335
>Says the destructive asshat who let the barbarians in.
I'm not wearing a suit and working a shitty office job on capital hill, you fucking moron. I also don't vote. I build systems in my head that can work in real life.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 5:53:35 AM
No.106309371
>>106309095
>functionally retarded, foggy memory, crippled
Elaborate? What kind of everyday capacities did he lose
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 5:54:34 AM
No.106309377
>>106309439
>>106309340
>I also don't vote.
So you're derelict in your civic responsibilities and also campaign against us.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 5:59:05 AM
No.106309416
>>106309522
>>106309293
the middle class doesnt own land, the bank does
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:02:12 AM
No.106309439
>>106309452
>>106309377
>your civic responsibilities
>and also campaign against us
Do you really think that this same system that you complain about will work for you? Are you fucking retarded? The state is a self serving entity. Ideologies and political theater are merely tools that are used by politicians to control you for their own benefit. When you hear about low birth rates it isn't your neighbor complaining about it, it's the government. It isn't because they care about you, it's because it means less tax cattle for them in the future. When you hear about people not participating in the economy or using systems outside of the government's reach, you suddenly hear about the risks of terrorism and national security. Who's side are you really on?
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:03:42 AM
No.106309452
>>106309459
>>106309439
I'm not listening to a thing you say. You're getting put up against the wall with all the other liberals and "centrists" and non-whites.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:04:48 AM
No.106309459
>>106309467
>>106309452
Whatever nigger, let me know when megahitler comes back to save the day from the very people that you refuse to fight. Fucking moron.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:05:40 AM
No.106309467
>>106309487
>>106309705
>>106309459
When the boomers get out of the way, we are going to act on our grudges, yes.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:08:03 AM
No.106309487
>>106309495
>>106309496
>>106309467
>When the boomers get out of the way, we are going to act on our grudges, yes.
Yeah, at the ballot box maybe. Vote harder faggot, I'm sure you'll change the system within it's own parameters. Everybody knows that circumventing government control entirely is totally impossible because that means we need another big, strong leader to fuck us in our asses and tell us what to do.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:09:30 AM
No.106309495
>>106312650
>>106309487
There has never been a successful peasant revolt.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:09:39 AM
No.106309496
>>106309487
lol you were just saying the best thing to do is *nothing* a few minutes ago. At least the guy you're arguing with is voting and talking about shooting communists.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:15:21 AM
No.106309522
>>106309530
>>106309416
Only 30% of homeowners in the US have mortgages. Most of them are likely retards who immigrated here and don't know what the English word mortgage means.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:16:37 AM
No.106309530
>>106309593
>>106309522
Not like they needed to, since every stupid faggot from Bush to Clinton to Obama to Biden made sure that they had plenty of taxpayer money to pay that mortgage with.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:26:00 AM
No.106309593
>>106309605
>>106309530
but number went UPPP bro!!!!!
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:27:19 AM
No.106309605
>>106309593
Sorry there are no jobs, sonny, but frankly, me and your mother never liked you, and we're perfectly happy to watch you die on the street and sell our house to Blackrock.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:38:28 AM
No.106309684
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:43:31 AM
No.106309705
>>106309711
>>106309854
>>106309467
>When the boomers get out of the way
he doesn't realize he and his generation have become the boomers he hates so much lmao
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:43:53 AM
No.106309711
>>106309803
>>106309705
ΒΏHablas inglΓ©s?
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:00:47 AM
No.106309803
>>106309807
>>106309711
no habla inglΓ©s, mr. faggot.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:01:19 AM
No.106309807
>>106309803
Oh I'm sorry, I meant ΰ€ΰ₯ΰ€―ΰ€Ύ ΰ€ΰ€ͺ ΰ€
ΰ€ΰ€ΰ₯ΰ€°ΰ₯ΰ€ΰ€Όΰ₯ ΰ€¬ΰ₯ΰ€²ΰ€€ΰ₯ ΰ€Ήΰ₯ΰ€?
The cocksuckers that made h1b should be paying restitution to the American tech worker.
Holy fuck, they will allow telecommute for these basic bitch positions but still want to hire foreigners? THEY ARE ENTRY LEVEL SHIT ANYONE WITH A BACHELORS IS QUALIFIED FOR.
Using h1b for these positions is fucking evil.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:11:19 AM
No.106309854
>>106309705
This doesn't even mean anything, you just want to be a contrarian shitstirrer for (You)s
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:13:59 AM
No.106309866
>>106309847
Looks like Oracle got smart and is requiring a Masters degree for the basic bitch positions to prefer 3rd world degree mill shitskins.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:16:14 AM
No.106309875
>>106311723
everything is being fixed. Just keep voting the correct people
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:17:41 AM
No.106309883
>>106310175
Remember folks, if you REALLY wanna change things, be a stupid NEET and steal taxpayer money and do nothing. Surely if enough of us do this things will just fall apart and we'll naturally be given positions of power instead.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:20:58 AM
No.106309907
>>106310038
Wow, having optimism as an applicant is so fucking nice.
It's like being able to actually pick and choose which corp. you want to work for. Imagine that!
Fuckin' brilliant, send 'em all home.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:23:18 AM
No.106309924
>>106309955
>>106310218
I've got ~2 years experience as a SOC Analyst, left my last company as a level 2.
How the FUCK do I get a job with a new company? I used to get called by recruiters but that stopped like 2 months ago. I've applied to ~30 jobs on LinkedIn and Indeed.
What am I doing wrong?
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:27:09 AM
No.106309955
>>106310022
>>106309924
>indeed and linkedin
Those jobs are fake lmao. Go apply to actual companies and recruitment agencies.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:36:54 AM
No.106310022
>>106310060
>>106309955
>actual companies and recruitment agencies
Are there any you would recommend or tips on how to find them? This is the first time I've job hunted in a fairly long time and apparently I don't know where to start.
>inb4 no spoon-feeding
I appreciate the advice you've already given and will do research regardless tomorrow at my work machine.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:39:37 AM
No.106310038
>>106310056
>>106309907
This kind of optimism reminds me of Donald Trump.
We need to fuck India hard for this h1b scam bullshit.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:41:39 AM
No.106310056
>>106310260
>>106310038
Up the tariffs Donny. 200%.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:42:25 AM
No.106310060
>>106310075
>>106310022
I just chatgpted these.
Cybersecurity Companies Supporting Government Entities
1. Palantir Technologies
2. Raytheon Technologies
3. Northrop Grumman
4. Leidos
5. Lockheed Martin
6. CrowdStrike
7. FireEye (Trellix)
---
Recruitment Companies Specializing in Cybersecurity Talent
1. CyberSN
2. TEKsystems
3. Kforce
4. Robert Half Technology
5. Apex Systems
6. CACI
.
This research is easy if you just think about the sector you're trying to support.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:45:08 AM
No.106310075
>>106310079
>>106310060
if anyone wanted chatgpt's opinion they'd have asked it themselves
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:46:11 AM
No.106310079
>>106310075
Okay, now I think you're a retard. Please don't apply to any of these companies; they will reject your shit.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:02:33 AM
No.106310175
>>106310183
>>106309883
Why should we trust you to be given power though
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:03:53 AM
No.106310183
>>106310175
Certainly not trusting someone with power who fails to understand sarcasm.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:09:56 AM
No.106310217
i wish i had a job
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:10:00 AM
No.106310218
>>106310268
>>106309924
>How the FUCK do I get a job with a new company?
You don't. There's nothing.
We told you so many times this was coming and you needed to buy a shed to live in.
>>106309847
Hitler didn't go far enough.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:10:47 AM
No.106310227
>>106310234
>Only found out today that job site I apply through tells me whenever people even READ the application
>First time in months that I get a notification like this
What the fuck?!
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:12:02 AM
No.106310234
>>106310227
If they aren't hitting you up within the week, they aren't hiring you.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:16:33 AM
No.106310260
>>106310056
I mean in practical reality it's probably some kind of hegelian dialectic going on to fuck India over more, but it's still aggravating.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:16:43 AM
No.106310261
>>106310272
>>106310492
I keep hearing about "lie on your resume", but I don't want to be caught in a position where they expect me to do something out of my usual wheelhouse (Or god forbid, call me out on my bullshit). What's the actual core of the advice? List stuff you can do but fudge the numbers on how long you have been doing it and in what capacity? That still sounds like it'll lead to unfortunate consequences.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:17:34 AM
No.106310268
>>106310218
They literally will hire an indian person instead of a White American living in a rural area.
THEY DESERVE IT!
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:17:56 AM
No.106310272
>>106310277
>>106310289
>>106310261
How about you just apply for what you qualify for.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:18:37 AM
No.106310277
>>106310272
Because he's not from Bangalore so he's not getting those jobs.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:20:41 AM
No.106310288
>>106310305
>>106310498
be honest, thread, how old are you people
>>106310272
I do, but always get hit with "not enough experience" even though I literally meet their arbitrary criteria.
That and the plethora of "Entry level requirements: 5 years" listings when I've only got 2 under my belt.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:22:59 AM
No.106310305
>>106310323
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:23:14 AM
No.106310310
>>106310324
>>106311675
>>106310289
I'm going to be honest with you, if you are busy applying to linkedin and indeed you are wasting your time.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:25:40 AM
No.106310323
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:25:46 AM
No.106310324
>>106310310
It's a variety of vectors (What you listed, company websites, career hubs from university etc.) at the moment, most promising ones (Ones where there is actual communication on the progress of the application) is still a while away, while my inbox is just filled with either confirmations that they got my applications (No follow up) or rejections (That cite "lack of experience" when I have ready to go proof of actual experience). Just a bit frustrating at this point, waiting is the worst part.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:27:46 AM
No.106310336
>>106310380
>>106311665
Why fight it? I'm getting hired everywhere else despite none of the experience education and credentials I wasted on tech. Look for jobs that need your other skills. Tech is so 1990s
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:34:34 AM
No.106310380
>>106315130
>>106310336
how old are you and what is your prior experience
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:56:45 AM
No.106310492
>>106310261
lol
I was a NEET for 11 years.
"Hey, what were you doing these past 11 years?"
"Staffed overseas."
"Where?"
"Tanzania."
"What were you occupied with?"
"Accounting assistant."
And so on and so forth.
Questions continued, lies continued, then I got the job. Quit it 4 years later. Now I'm back to NEETing. I'll do the same again eventually.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:57:59 AM
No.106310498
>>106310288
42. Porn's my greatest pastime. Life's okay.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 9:51:51 AM
No.106310825
>>106304048
>is it worth getting a bachlors in CS ?
"yes", at a top school; not a no name. If you're not clocking basically straight As high school + 30+ ACT, then not happening and I drop down to "probably not"
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 10:15:26 AM
No.106310969
Lets play GUESS THE COMPANY:
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 10:15:54 AM
No.106310975
>>106306987
>Looking at the jobs.now listings is killing me. Decent 6 figures on almost no requirements aside from speaking hindi and being from a decent caste.
The real requirement for a job at Bloomberg is going to be your leetcoding ability. Most in this thread skimped out on that in favor of a "skills-based" hiring role, but leetoding is the ultimate job passport to dozens of companies.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 11:11:36 AM
No.106311269
>>106311832
>>106308404
How small a newspaper do I have to get for h1b ads to be hidden in it?
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 11:22:17 AM
No.106311328
>>106304821
"I used this time to brush up my skills and advance my knowledge of latest technologies including this, this, this and this"
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 11:28:31 AM
No.106311353
Started applying in the beginning of the month. The single interview I got was through networking.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 12:27:56 PM
No.106311665
>>106310336
>Why fight it? I'm getting hired everywhere else despite none of the experience education and credentials I wasted on tech. Look for jobs that need your other skills. Tech is so 1990s
which job titles are you gunning for?
I'm worth 1.6M after a decade in tech and would actually love to make decent money doing anything else now. just a chill social role that could use a responsible human that shows up
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 12:29:00 PM
No.106311675
>>106314042
>>106310310
>I'm going to be honest with you, if you are busy applying to linkedin and indeed you are wasting your time.
what are your preferred vectors?
I'd say: personal referral, direct on company site, or try to hit up one of their recruiters in a DM. and of course cold outreach from them is always good
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 12:36:09 PM
No.106311723
>>106309875
>everything is being fixed. Just keep voting the correct people
what has been fixed so far and what is upcoming?
>>106309847
>THEY ARE ENTRY LEVEL SHIT ANYONE WITH A BACHELORS IS QUALIFIED FOR.
we shouldn't have h1bs for any bone stock SWE role. DEFINITELY should not have them for lazy girl jobs like project/program/product manager type stuff
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 12:47:32 PM
No.106311798
>>106311866
>>106312027
>>106310289
>>I do, but always get hit with "not enough experience" even though I literally meet their arbitrary criteria
Yeah I've had that happen to me a few times too. I don't think they even read my resume or cover letter at this point.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 12:50:44 PM
No.106311821
>>106311852
>Another day, another recruiter contacting me and going "what? you don't have x technology?" that is not mentioned anywhere on my CV or LI
Fuck me, this one actually sounded disgusted
Not my fault you're an incompetent fuckwit that can't read.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 12:51:15 PM
No.106311825
>how DARE you find this job listing!
>now tell us where you found it!
This is basically old 4chan trolling irl.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 12:52:16 PM
No.106311832
>>106311269
don't know, they probably use major newspapers but it's good to check them all.
PERM requirements explicitly mention the Sunday edition of the paper, not random weekdays.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 12:54:30 PM
No.106311844
>>106311882
staying up late gaming, watching youtube, and jacking off while sleeping through the whole day is fine until your myopia/astigmatism gets worse and you get de quervain, tfcc, shoulder impingement, or lower back pain from lack of movement and strengthening
then your parents starts coughing more than usual, unable to order fancy food each week like they used to, and you have to take part in neighborhood activities, not to mention your relatives checking on you guys.
i know doing everything right in your life doesn't guarantee everything will goes well but apathy and isolation is a real sickness.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 12:55:48 PM
No.106311852
>>106312012
>>106311821
What technology was it?
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 12:58:04 PM
No.106311866
>>106311882
>>106312366
>>106311798
I do wonder how long the current state of HR is going to last. Eventually (Hopefully) companies that are crying out for workers realize that their own system is what is preventing workers from entering their companies.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 1:00:25 PM
No.106311882
>>106311844
Yeah, I know what you mean. I had to pull myself out of depression because it was killing me. My friends seemed to pick up on it, even, and considering they're all autistic that says something.
Despite that I still feel pretty fucking frustrated how hard it is to find anything. I gotta scroll through lists of unrelated or shady jobs online to find something I can do, and when I do find something that sounds perfect for me and reply to it I always get some vague nonsense back like "we went with another candidate" or just a simple "sorry but no". Fuck.
>>106311866
I don't think they'll ever look at themselves. They'll go bankrupt before they realize their way of finding tech employees is horribly broken. They'll probably just cope by saying there's a competency crisis and that zoomzooms don't want to work.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 1:23:49 PM
No.106312012
>>106311852
AWS
I have some experience with Azure, though not enough to land interviews
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 1:26:02 PM
No.106312027
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 1:47:33 PM
No.106312168
>>106312335
Interesting fields to go into instead of this crap?
Geology?
medicine?
political economy?
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 1:56:20 PM
No.106312222
>mfw I actually end up getting one of these $200k/yr remote work jobs they were trying to give to h1b niggers
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 2:13:34 PM
No.106312325
>>106303788
Even this work requires certifications and years of experience. And the pay is about $15-20/hr, enough to live out of your car in the parking lot.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 2:14:48 PM
No.106312335
>>106312168
maritime academy
sailing school
mining
logistics
alternatively you can try being a circus performer
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 2:17:45 PM
No.106312349
>>106306156
/twg/ is a bunch of jew business owners probing their bootlickers to see how much they fuck off. They all speak in HR terms.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 2:22:09 PM
No.106312366
>>106312375
>>106311866
This is the same for all jobs right now. The thing is these companies don't really want to hire or they're playing games to make it appear as if there's a need for labor visas. The lowest grade wagie jobs are asking for multiple rounds of interviews and demanding several years of experience to make food and mop floors. The entire landscape of employment is a shitshow with no end in sight.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 2:23:23 PM
No.106312375
>>106312510
>>106315731
>>106312366
and how exactly do these companies think they'll replace their slowly aging workforce or expand if they won't hire anyone
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 2:30:21 PM
No.106312443
>>106312453
>posted 15hr ago
>requires 6 months of software experience
What literal fucking demon is giving entry-level positions to H1Bs?
https://www.jobs.now/jobs/156255683-backend-software-engineer-ref-4700245
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 2:31:21 PM
No.106312453
>>106312443
Oh that's the Stripe one, their automated system is fucked up so they can say no one applied.
Anyway, I'm going to try it a few more times.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 2:38:43 PM
No.106312510
>>106312521
>>106312537
>>106312375
They are hiring, just not new grads. Experienced H1Bs for technical positions, illegals for basic labor.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 2:40:42 PM
No.106312521
>>106313883
>>106312510
>replace all the competent workers with cheap idiots cause you just gotta pinch those pennies
>company loses money when customers leave
>jack up the price on everything
>lose even more money
ive seen this happen multiple times. youd think theyd notice the pattern
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 2:42:45 PM
No.106312532
>>106312543
why doesn't someone create a software that creates fake credentials/people and flood every job posting to the point where finding employees online is a broken concept?
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 2:43:19 PM
No.106312535
>>106315760
>>106306404
The world of forever helpdesk for less than a burger flipper salary awaits you
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 2:43:45 PM
No.106312537
>>106312510
>Experienced H1Bs for technical positions,
Bullshit. They are hiring anyone with bullshit credentials to lock white men especially rural white men out of the tech industry.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 2:45:29 PM
No.106312543
>>106312532
But, but... if you can't apply online anymore, how will the pajeets in india find out about your job listing???
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 3:01:38 PM
No.106312650
>>106319057
>>106309495
you'd need a pretty narrow definition of 'peasant' revolt for that to be true anon, because a shit ton of revolts backed by the peasantry were successful.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 3:14:00 PM
No.106312722
>>106313012
>>106310289
why did you only last 2 years in your first position? That seems like a huge red flag
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 3:16:12 PM
No.106312737
>>106312870
>>106316657
Just had an interview after the screening interview and I heard there was multiple interviews. I don't know if it's a good sign or a bad sign but:
>We'll talk back to the recruiter and get back to you
>No 'Do you have any questions for us'
They were also very direct and just cut straight to "background and interview questions". Barely had any back and forth. I'm kinda meh on it. I think I did answer a lot of questions with a gold star but I also don't really like how script heavy they were...
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 3:35:14 PM
No.106312870
>>106313005
>>106312737
Was it a screener with a HR Karen?
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 3:43:44 PM
No.106312931
>>106313271
these fucking niggers
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 3:45:01 PM
No.106312942
CtCI is a jewish psyop designed to actually make you worse at interviewing.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 3:48:05 PM
No.106312962
>>106313066
>>106313227
what did they mean by this?
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 3:53:31 PM
No.106313005
>>106312870
Nope. It was with their technical team. Ironically their HR Brian was significantly easier to talk to. Not even a nice weather talk with this group...
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 3:54:25 PM
No.106313012
>>106312722
>why did you only last 2 years in your first position? That seems like a huge red flag
2 years is like the avg stay in our field on the west coast
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 4:01:34 PM
No.106313066
>>106312962
10 + 3 + 3 is 16 anon
>>106303788
It might honestly be the thread with the biggest losers ok this website lmao it's a great confidence booster.
>>106304055
Unironically yeah. If you know how to use AI an actually learn from it you basically have a full time senior dev helping you out at all times, it will absolutely help you speed run your career advancement
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 4:21:52 PM
No.106313227
>>106312962
>-16 years of education
Whoa...
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 4:25:46 PM
No.106313271
>>106312931
Linkedin is fucking shit, I've already dedicated my time to local classifieds ads for the Sunday edition.
Looks like Amazon has some positions listed here, as well as various other companies. Hell even Dollar General does this.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 5:13:08 PM
No.106313749
i envy smarter folks who are able to make money while they're still college like doing art commission or teaching classes or something.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 5:19:19 PM
No.106313815
in the past 1 year of being unemployed, not a single company has even given me a rejection letter
some of them call me to arrange a meeting in the future but the meeting/interview never happens
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 5:25:11 PM
No.106313883
>>106312521
They don't care because you have to realize that absolutely no one in the country is currently acting like the country is going to stay together for another 10-20 years. CEOs are all just trying to make earnings better so that their stock goes up so that they can sell at the top. No one's stopping them either because outside of like 8 people in the Trump administration they're all doing it. The country is ending, dude.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 5:27:47 PM
No.106313912
>>106303723 (OP)
How come programming got automated so fast by AI in an extremely short timespan of two years we went from LLMs who barely output a bash script to AI being able to write extremely efficient and performance C++ code. I always thought programming would be last field to be automated.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 5:30:06 PM
No.106313937
>>106313927
Because AI is just them attempting to cover up the fact that they exclusively hire from Bangalore and Mumbai.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 5:41:14 PM
No.106314042
>>106311675
Direct companies, and recruiter websites like teksystems and the like. Most people get in via sub-contracting anyway.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 5:45:41 PM
No.106314094
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:10:24 PM
No.106314350
>>106314509
So tell me about a time where you disagreed with management.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:12:42 PM
No.106314377
>>106313927
Programming hasn't been automated, it's been outsourced and AI is the excuse that CEOs give.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:23:22 PM
No.106314509
>>106315078
>>106314350
I never disagree with management.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:32:54 PM
No.106314626
>>106314706
I wrote off my 2.5 years of neet as freelance but I feel like I should remove this. It adds to the experience when I'm still applying for junior roles. Also I saw somewhere that HR don't like freelance experience on resume. But they also hate seeing gaps...
I wish my parents had generational wealth.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:39:29 PM
No.106314706
>>106314626
I would have to imagine that HR would like freelance experience more than a gap in employment, but I don't work in HR (obviously).
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:43:30 PM
No.106314759
>>106314797
>>106316674
$200k as the bottom range for a position that's taking juniors? Chat is this real?
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:46:05 PM
No.106314797
>>106314887
>>106314759
That is the price they list to say no to americans, then hire people in mumbai.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:52:26 PM
No.106314887
>>106315007
>>106314797
What if I apply and say in my application that I want $60k?
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:54:30 PM
No.106314916
>>106303872
My friend who has an EE job claims it's easier since the hiring pool is way smaller, but based on what I've read in these threads it sounds like he just got lucky with never struggling to find work.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:55:58 PM
No.106314942
>>106304267
I'd emphasize your dashboard project. Most people will view the static site and Wordpress project as a gap in your resume.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 6:58:13 PM
No.106314968
>>106315047
How many cursorkiddos that can't actually do anything on their own have gotten jobs since youve been unemployed?
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:01:20 PM
No.106315007
>>106314887
are you in fucking mumbai? 60k is still too fucking much.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:05:08 PM
No.106315047
>>106314968
i'm a cursorkiddo but i lost my job
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:07:56 PM
No.106315071
>>106315203
>>106306987
To be the devil's advocate for a bit, this role looks nice on paper but since this is supposed to be an H-1B role they're not actually intending to pay someone $130,000+ to do it. The actual salary will be a fraction of that, also you'd have to work 12 hours every day because you'll get deported otherwise. I don't even think they intend for brahminshits that are already here with citizenships to do this role, it's slave labor disguised as a $130K position. Your anger should be directed at Bloom(((berg))), not the people being shipped into the country to do what is basically slave labor.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:08:39 PM
No.106315078
>>106315131
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:13:23 PM
No.106315130
>>106315183
>>106310380
36yo network engineer, cybersecurity degree, CCNA certified. Since my old company did mass layoffs last year all I get from 100s of job applications are robo email rejections, 3 or 4 interviews that don't go anywhere. Meanwhile, I have zero professional experience in Japanese translation, but I get human replies all the time, and thatβs my job right now, I had to turn down all the other offers because theyβre too advanced for me. I applied to a remote 3D artist job at a AAA game studio and I just got a reply today-- again, no experience. If my real career wants me, it knows where to find me, but I gotta pay my bills
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:13:27 PM
No.106315131
>>106315078
Yeah, I always fail personality tests from HR.
Including but not limited to:
>record yourself talking about X
>tell me about your childhood
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:15:00 PM
No.106315151
>>106315274
making productivity slop videos on youtube is more profitable nowadays
ditch your toy projects, ask chatgpt to write your script, and hit record
make a free discord community while you're at it and talk about how JOIN MY FREE COMMUNITY TO BE THE TOP 1% TODAY
https://youtu.be/zTsnCOH87Cc?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/pXi0IEtvW4U?feature=shared
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:17:29 PM
No.106315183
>>106315370
>>106315130
>6yo network engineer, cybersecurity degree, CCNA certified
I got my job off of WAY less experience. Are you willing to move? WTF are you doing applying to game dev studios. Are you retarded?
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:19:50 PM
No.106315203
>>106315222
>>106315071
Why don't they just offer less and require more in the job listing then? Surely that would be more consistent than offering extremely high wages for no requirements and then thinking up some BS reason to shoot down good applicants. They could just say they can't find anyone qualified at market rates or something.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:21:40 PM
No.106315222
>>106315264
>>106315203
You don't understand just how LITTLE they pay to external employees.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:26:19 PM
No.106315264
>>106315222
I'm not saying I expect them to pay citizens less and still give them the job, I'm saying they could at least lie better.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:27:14 PM
No.106315274
>>106315151
Some people use TTS to automate the whole video-making pipeline.
That is:
Prompt -> LLM generates a script -> TTS
But it's not completely brainless since you have to write a good prompt... That said, theoretically, you could ask an LLM to write prompts for you but that's a risky move (multi-layer hallucinations).
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:29:22 PM
No.106315303
>>106315324
>>106315334
i hate the 4channel format. what's the point of posting a question when it will be gone by the time I wake up? now I don't know if someone answered me or not. this site should became a regular forum
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:29:37 PM
No.106315307
I'm employed but I'm looking for a switch. Am I welcomed in /utwg/ ?
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:31:36 PM
No.106315324
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:32:37 PM
No.106315334
>>106315303
You should not be using this site for accurate questions or information. This is not a job board.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:35:40 PM
No.106315370
>>106315453
>>106315183
I applied for remote, in person, local, out of state, out of country. I got tired of hearing "well maybe it's you" and stepped outside my career and I'm actually getting responses and job offers now. Maybe I'm retarded, but I'm not without income or homeless. Without name dropping it's not a woke dei company that everybody whines about
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:43:13 PM
No.106315453
>>106315493
>>106315370
That's crazy, i'm at best 3 years of network experience, ccna, and I just got a job in FL. I used clearance jobs, and recruiters won't stop messaging me.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 7:47:24 PM
No.106315493
>>106315672
>>106319363
>>106315453
>I used clearance jobs, and recruiters won't stop messaging me.
Sounds like you must have a TS with polygraph then. Regular Secret is worth absolutely nothing.
Different person than you were replying to
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:02:01 PM
No.106315672
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:07:37 PM
No.106315731
>>106312375
In many cases they shift duties from retired boomers onto people in lower positions, then they never fill the position. They may say otherwise, but running lean and cheap takes precedent over quality products and services.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:10:50 PM
No.106315760
>>106312535
This, I fell into this trap before the pandemic. You "skill up" and get exploited by MSPs that want you doing all levels of support and running a call center.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:11:27 PM
No.106315764
>>106315796
>>106316227
things are this bad now and we havent even technically started the recession lmao
even if they send all h1b back tomorrow this line of work is still way over saturated
if i had a brain i would have studied anything in healthcare instead
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 8:14:07 PM
No.106315796
>>106315764
>bro, just be a healthwrecker
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 9:01:24 PM
No.106316227
>>106315764
>even if they send all h1b back tomorrow this line of work is still way over saturated
I think people seriously underestimate just how bad the H1B problem is. I'm not saying that if they did it WE'RE ALL GETTING DO NOTHING JOBS AT A QUARTER-MILLION PER YEAR but the H1B and outsourcing problem combined are probably responsible for at least half of all white collar unemployment right now.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 9:07:16 PM
No.106316272
>>106303723 (OP)
When doing practice problems, is it wrong to use chatgpt or otherwise to streamline your working solutions?
For example, a solution requires checking scope for arguments passed into it, and then processing them. I can do this no problem, but I am convinced the loop itself can be condensed into a single line that still returns the correct argument's name within the exception message.
Is getting the response on how to do that and using the streamlined scope check/exception message handling poor form?
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 9:11:28 PM
No.106316299
>>106320410
>>106313134
>If you know how to use AI an actually learn from it you basically have a full time senior dev helping you out at all times, it will absolutely help you speed run your career advancement
The problem is that senior devs also have this option, as do assorted Indians, and you will never get hired to start your career anyway because the former party isn't going to give up a job made easier (they know what the AI is fucking up and can wrangle it with ease) and the latter group is preferentially hired and just as "good" as you are.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 9:22:43 PM
No.106316394
>>106316411
>>106308808
Same position as you. Currently L61 at MS doing ops work for 1p/3p and I'm burnt the fuck out. My teammates are all lazy and useless and I've somehow become an SME/team lead. I desperately want to find a job that lets me skill up. For once , I wish to be the least impactful team member and this have room to improve and grow. I never get negative feedback from anything and it drives me insane. I desperately want a different job but it looks like WFH is drying up fast
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 9:24:39 PM
No.106316411
>>106316394
It's awesome how the old fuck boomers who already turned this country into an actual living Hell hated the idea of WFH so much that they decided that now nobody gets a job if they aren't willing to come into the office and be miserable under harmful fluorescent lighting for 8 hours a day.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 9:26:16 PM
No.106316424
Who was this in #emacs?
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 9:41:42 PM
No.106316577
>>106308808
>I'm currently employed but fucking hate my job and want to quit
I was like this at my old job. My advice is to keep going until you get laid off, because it will be like quitting except you get to live off of severance for a little while instead of burning through your savings immediately.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 9:43:32 PM
No.106316595
>>106316722
utwg wins again because twg is too stupid and cowardly to make new threads
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 9:50:12 PM
No.106316657
>>106312737
....then again maybe talking to the recruiter means to send me an email that they rejected my application..
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 9:52:26 PM
No.106316674
>>106314759
hopefully, I suppose we will find out.
I must have pissed off some corp kike last night by applying to ~100 positions on there and finding more positions in my local newspaper.
At least two local positions from big corps going through, fedex and DG.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 9:56:53 PM
No.106316722
>>106318003
>>106316595
/twg/ has jobs, so yeah they aren't worried about new threads LMAO
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 10:49:13 PM
No.106317298
>>106317448
even if you manage to find a job, you will get laid off and go through the painful process of finding a job over and over again till you retire. this doesn't seem very fair to me.
Anonymous
8/19/2025, 11:03:56 PM
No.106317448
>>106317298
Yeah but eventually you get to die
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 12:06:52 AM
No.106318003
>>106316722
Give me a job then, retard.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 12:26:15 AM
No.106318173
>>106318246
>>106320090
Iβm too scared to apply to software developer jobs because Iβm not a leetcode whiz.
What kind of jobs should I be applying for if I want to avoid hard technical interviews?
>have a CS degree from 2022
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 12:33:58 AM
No.106318246
>>106320300
>>106318173
Also, anything programming related Iβve done these past couple years have been for iOS/Swift. Still havenβt submitted an app to the AppStore. No entry-level jobs. I have no idea what Iβm doing at this point.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 12:58:51 AM
No.106318412
>>106318426
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 12:59:16 AM
No.106318417
>>106318360
lol but where are these jobs found?
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 12:59:43 AM
No.106318426
>>106318412
It's what they call people who favor native-born inhabitants over immigrants
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:00:14 AM
No.106318430
>>106318360
>goal being to stop companies from filling jobs
Look how they have to lie about their opponents position. The applicants want companies to hire American.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:00:45 AM
No.106318433
>>106318445
>>106318360
>stop companies from filling jobs
Why don't they just hire one of these 400-600 americans?
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:00:59 AM
No.106318435
>>106318444
>>106322833
I finally managed to secure a part time job after years of NEETing in Australia.
I've been working in a warehouse for 6 months now and have a degree in CS.
Now I'm finally taking certificates/TAFE seriously, are there any ways I can get into the field with a high likelihood of success? Or is it totally fucked atm?
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:01:08 AM
No.106318438
>>106318360
>maoism from the right
you need an impressive level of brain scramble to write something like that
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:02:05 AM
No.106318444
>>106318435
Btw I'm living rent free with my parents so I'm under no real pressure
All my money goes into investments/savings
I just want to be able to have an actual career instead of the dead end job I have right now
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:02:08 AM
No.106318445
>>106318433
what would be the point of that? the posting is not there because they need an employee
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:03:09 AM
No.106318453
>>106318360
reminder that this is a fed
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:08:01 AM
No.106318482
>>106318513
>>106318590
>>106318360
>claims to be "Palestinian"
>supports Gaza genocide
>defends Epstein
Richard Hanania is evil
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:12:10 AM
No.106318513
>>106318360
>>106318482
what the fuck is going on in amerimutt brains?
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:19:41 AM
No.106318579
>>106318615
The resume template I like has a section for Interests. I'm sure Interests are a fucking waste of time so what should I put in that space instead?
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:20:42 AM
No.106318590
>>106318631
>>106318482
Supporting the Gaza genocide is actually the only good opinion he has, you have no idea the depths of dogshit he puts out.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:23:06 AM
No.106318615
>>106318624
>>106318579
>projects
>volunteer work
>gay sex partners
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:23:49 AM
No.106318624
>>106318640
>>106318642
>>106318615
I don't have "projects" and my volunteer work involves working with cats
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:25:24 AM
No.106318631
>>106318637
>>106318590
>I love israel!
thank you american
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:25:56 AM
No.106318637
>>106320802
>>106318631
Non-whites killing non-whites isn't my problem.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:26:04 AM
No.106318640
>>106318624
cats
collecting cat beans for later use
becoming a cat
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:26:28 AM
No.106318642
>>106318649
>>106318624
The thing is you can make it all up.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:27:11 AM
No.106318649
>>106318654
>>106318659
>>106318642
Do you think they'll still like the cat thing
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:28:04 AM
No.106318654
>>106318658
>>106318649
Do the narwhals bacon at midnight?
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:28:36 AM
No.106318658
>>106318662
>>106318670
>>106318654
i don't understand what the fuck that means
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:28:40 AM
No.106318659
>>106318649
It might sway some HR cat hoarder. Maybe put wine collector as well.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:29:29 AM
No.106318662
>>106318775
>>106318658
normies like cats mostly due to unfunny out of date memes. cat stuff is probably good
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:30:30 AM
No.106318670
>>106318658
That's why Elon is rich and you are not.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:30:32 AM
No.106318672
>>106318700
>>106318727
>>106318360
I'm confused, how would people applying for jobs stop those jobs from being filled?
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:32:40 AM
No.106318700
>>106318672
because they NEEEED an h1b so they can keep costs down.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:34:14 AM
No.106318709
>>106318719
Reminder that IT is not Tech Work and winjeets, networktrannies, and hardware zogbots need to fuck all the way off.
The future is software-defined from top to bottom. Deal with it, NEETs.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:35:57 AM
No.106318719
>>106318731
>>106318709
And what are you going to run the software on if not hardware?
>>106318672
This should explain it
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:37:14 AM
No.106318731
>>106318746
>>106318719
Have you never heard of Cloud Native, retard?
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:38:45 AM
No.106318745
>>106319844
>>106318727
what is rich even trying to say here? that h1bs good actually because they're magically more qualified?
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:38:52 AM
No.106318746
>>106318766
>>106318731
Which is still using hardware, because there needs to be a physical device *somewhere* for something to run.
>>106318727
I'm even more confused, would his suggested method cut out the most qualified person if they were a native to the country?
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:41:24 AM
No.106318766
>>106318746
>Which is still using hardware, because there needs to be a physical device *somewhere* for something to run.
It's software-defined. Sorry jeet, we don't need your vacuum tube replacing skills anymore! Die alone and penniless.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:41:56 AM
No.106318775
>>106318803
>>106318662
I thought people just liked cats because they're cute? Mostly what I did was just work at Petsmart for an hour or two every 3 days and play with the cats and socialize them and then every once in a while I convinced someone to adopt one.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:45:10 AM
No.106318803
>>106318877
>>106318775
epic post bro you CAN haz cheezburdger !!! XD
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:52:44 AM
No.106318877
>>106318897
>>106318803
I take it you don't like cats.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:54:55 AM
No.106318893
>>106318727
>The most qualified person is the one the company wants to hire.
I stewed on this for a while and I thought it was saying "The most qualified person is ultimately the person going to get hired", but then I realized he meant "The most qualified person is only the qualified person because the company wants to hire them". That's such donkey dick.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:55:28 AM
No.106318897
>>106318928
>>106318877
cats are fine. i dont like cat lovers. a bunch of meme obsessed babytalking faggots and karens
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 2:00:46 AM
No.106318928
>>106318897
I dunno man I just think they're cute.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 2:16:09 AM
No.106319034
>>106304104
What tech stack? 10 years of experience is a lot. You should at least be getting some interviews.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 2:19:31 AM
No.106319057
>>106312650
All peasant revolts were lead by people in the upper classes or funded by them.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 2:37:31 AM
No.106319180
another humiliation ritual lined up this week. i hope i dont make a clown of myself.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 2:51:14 AM
No.106319281
the qualifications question is a bit of a red herring. h1bs are qualified for these jobs because they were never hard jobs requiring 4 years college training to begin with. software tester is easily outsourced.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 3:02:44 AM
No.106319363
>>106319399
>>106322762
>>106315493
I had a TS+poly in the military before the military screwed me out of one and permanently fucked my civilian career before it started. My legal case is still pending
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 3:08:32 AM
No.106319399
>>106319730
>>106319779
>>106319363
If you don't mind, can you say why they screwed you in the first place? I'm in the process of getting a job that will require a similar clearance for my country and just wondering what pitfalls to look out for.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 3:54:44 AM
No.106319730
>>106319399
tell the truth and dont lie. its simple as that.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 4:02:54 AM
No.106319777
Why don't these people just go mask off and say that they want h1bs because they will care more about their job than an American because their visa depends on it?
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 4:03:00 AM
No.106319779
>>106319399
Probably the polygraph. I know people who are adjacent to security clearance who say they won't do a polygraph because if you fail you'll actually get fired and completely locked out of your career path.
Polygraphs select for psychopathic people.
Imagine being the manager being told to review and document denials for 900 SWE applicants because the PERM Indian needs to be hired, lmao.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 4:09:35 AM
No.106319821
>>106319808
Surely this is a HR decision right? I can't imagine an actual manager of a department would want to deal with Rajesh coming in every day smelling like curry and shitting out bad practices when John was in the queue and had the same if not more experience.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 4:12:53 AM
No.106319844
>>106318745
He's saying that the most qualified person is the cheapest person that the company can jerk around the most, if that's what the company decides they 'need'.
So he's human pondscum, basically.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 4:17:28 AM
No.106319874
>>106319940
>>106319808
"Clean it up, Stacey."
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 4:25:53 AM
No.106319940
>>106319874
>Makes a mistake and gets sued
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 4:42:43 AM
No.106320073
are certs useful to pivot into something new even if you dont have related experience? does it make sense to grind that shit and put it on the CV and try to apply for entry level stuff?
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 4:44:30 AM
No.106320090
>>106320356
>>106320843
>>106318173
Why didn't you start applying for new grad roles after graduating
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 5:18:29 AM
No.106320300
>>106320843
>>106318246
Wait so you have a 3 year gap? 0 experience?
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 5:26:41 AM
No.106320356
>>106320391
>>106320090
What do you mean? Where?
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 5:33:06 AM
No.106320391
>>106320435
>>106320494
>>106320356
Companies often have new grad roles prepared that you are supposed to apply to before you graduate, often they open their application the year prior (so right now they are starting to open for 2026 grads
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 5:37:22 AM
No.106320410
>>106316299
That's why you should move to some comfy third world country and work at a local company. You will be highly regarded if you speak English fluently.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 5:41:46 AM
No.106320435
>>106320468
>>106320391
where do you look for them? Dot hey have them for associate degrees?
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 5:46:39 AM
No.106320468
>>106320474
>>106320435
idk, do some research
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 5:47:31 AM
No.106320474
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 5:50:03 AM
No.106320494
>>106320506
>>106320391
I'm a rising senior with over 100 applications out so far and I've seen like 3 of these new grad positions total.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 5:51:48 AM
No.106320506
>>106320494
well you are early then.
Iβm getting interviewed by two women around my age and Iβm not a Chad, how cooked am I?
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 6:35:57 AM
No.106320802
>>106318637
My tax money being used to fund blood libel on the otherside of the world is my problem though
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 6:41:58 AM
No.106320843
>>106320909
>>106320090
I didnβt think itβd be that hard to get an entry level job back then.
>>106320300
Yes, I have 0 experience in what I majored in.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 6:43:17 AM
No.106320857
>>106320588
they're going to get the ick and it's going to be over.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 6:49:03 AM
No.106320909
>>106320843
if you still have access to your school's student portal, see if there's an internship program, or maybe something for alumni.
make up a sob story about having to take care of a dying relative in case anyone asks about the gap
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 6:51:40 AM
No.106320929
>>106313134
>you basically have a full time senior dev helping you out at all times
You are a complete idiot.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 7:10:29 AM
No.106321035
>>106320588
Build some confidence. If you can't look them in the eye, at least remain focused and speak with a deep, calm voice. Try to crack a "clever" joke without sounding desperate. Women like that kind of thing too.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 7:40:18 AM
No.106321216
This fucker is shadowcucked by kikemusk so hard:
https://x.com/VBierschwale/status/1957768295567811033
12k views, and how many Americans do you think are looking for software jobs right now?
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 8:16:05 AM
No.106321417
I sent something in on jobs.now. Hopefully it at least makes it harder to hire an H1B.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 9:14:55 AM
No.106321768
>>106308934
just want to chime in and say you are based as fuck. I grew up listening to the big trance podcasts of the day (state of trance, TATW, sometimes tiesto's club life but didn't care for it as much). great memories getting excited for each new weekly release on iTunes and gaming on my pc while listening to it.
I want to post two of my favorite trance songs of all time for you, in case you care
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRXT_MfClSo&list=RDjRXT_MfClSo&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbAYvD9dXxo&list=RDPbAYvD9dXxo&start_radio=1
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 9:20:16 AM
No.106321796
>>106320588
no one in tech is a chad, if you're 5/10 you are already in the top 1% there
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 12:34:30 PM
No.106322762
>>106319363
>before the military screwed me out of one
maybe dont leak secret documents on /k/ and you wont lose your clearance? RETARD
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 12:47:44 PM
No.106322833
>>106318435
there are plenty of remote dev jobs that are offshored to ASEAN countries that pay $2k- $3k/mo. you should try applying to those if you can't get anything in australia.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 12:50:07 PM
No.106322853
>>106313134
>If you know how to use AI an actually learn from it you basically have a full time senior dev helping you out at all times, it will absolutely help you speed run your career advancement
The problem is, so does everyone else. Maybe if it was your own little advantage it would help, but if everyone has the same advantage then it really isn't one at all.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 12:58:54 PM
No.106322904
>>106322920
>>106306987
>1 year if experience for a senior is insane.
it says 2 years of SDE experience including 1 year in each. So you're talking a minimum of 2 years. If one of those years included working in *ux+programming+SQL work, then yeah, that's a reasonable resume for a Sr. Dev who has experience that exactly matches the task.
Plus keep in mind the salary range is a very broad $130k-$500k. The salary will reflect the actual experience. $130k is barely above the poverty line in the bay area, and you won't be getting the $500k package without "10+ yr requirements on a dozen tech products.".
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:01:12 PM
No.106322920
>>106322904
>$130k is barely above poverty line in the bay area
What the fuck.
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:05:51 PM
No.106322954
Graduate, currently at 15 interviews over a period of 7 months
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:07:20 PM
No.106322959
Anonymous
8/20/2025, 1:07:51 PM
No.106322963
>>106319808
not to be a bharat shill but the reason companies hire indians for entry level roles is they often come with a masters degree from a US university with a few years of experience before coming to the country. i doubt there is an insidious reason they do this to displace american workers or whatever. and PERM is after they get hired.