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How come humanity hasn't come up with a better way to achieve air conditioning?

Is it the energy cabal keeping innovation down?
Anonymous No.106313302 >>106313355 >>106314310
>>106313268 (OP)
It just works, you do have to lower the temp for it to be effective.
Anonymous No.106313347 >>106314400 >>106335572
>>106313268 (OP)
>Is it the energy cabal keeping innovation down?
Yes, they keep us from just living in caves where the temperature is the same all year long, they force us to live in houses and use energy wasting devices to warm or fresh the air.
Anonymous No.106313350
>>106313268 (OP)
How come YOU haven't?
Anonymous No.106313355 >>106313452 >>106313463 >>106313510 >>106313555 >>106313598 >>106314911 >>106315748 >>106322776 >>106322814 >>106323338 >>106325543
>>106313302
>It just works

It's costly as fuck, though. It's probably the biggest energy draw in your home.
termux-termite !!1GSw688pHqQ No.106313392 >>106336592 >>106338389
>>106313268 (OP)
We have but it's inconvenient and requires maintenance. When maintenance isn't done, people die.
Anonymous No.106313440
It's pretty efficient already, even more when you just cool the rooms that need it vs central aircon. And solar panels work well too, in my case I went from 8MWh yearly grid consumption to around 2MWh with 10kW panels on the roof + 10kWh battery.
Anonymous No.106313452 >>106314255 >>106318101 >>106319148 >>106321010
>>106313355
This. my bill in my apartment in the winter months: $45
my bill in the summer months with the AC on: $85
Anonymous No.106313463 >>106315256 >>106335911
>>106313355
Energy is a solved problem. Leftoids simply don't want you to have it
Anonymous No.106313510 >>106339583
>>106313355
That's your choice.
Set it to a higher temp. Run it less often. Better insulate your place.
>energy costs money
Wow.
Anonymous No.106313555 >>106322414
>>106313355
My daikin compressor sitting outsides uses 800watts peak when I'm running 3 minisplits out of it during high heat.
Right now I'm only chilling in my room so I've got the other 2 disabled and the weather is alright so it doesn't work very hard and I can barely feel the breeze coming out of the minisplit.
Here's a pic they posted on their website of running the unit 24/7 for a day to see the power consumption. So yeah it averages out around 300 watts of usage living it on 24/7 set to 24C in my room. I've got a good deal in my cunt for electricity so I pay about 15 eurocents per kwh so that's about one euro a day to keep myself cool.
Worth it to me.
Anonymous No.106313598 >>106313605 >>106323407
>>106313355
AC is the most efficient thing in your house
It's the only thing that as a practical matter, is over 100% efficient.
For every watt you put in you get 3-4 watts of energy movement.

Blame your politicians for your expensive ass electricity because you decided to de-industrialize to own rural bubba and the chuds
Anonymous No.106313605 >>106313727 >>106323407
>>106313598
Oh boy here comes another refrigerant shill! Your meme tech will never catch on!
Anonymous No.106313620
>>106313268 (OP)
Because AC is super efficient for what it does. It's works like a refrigerator transfering hot air from inside your house to outside. Trying to make something more efficient will require a much deeper understanding of physics and house construction. Often the problem isn't the AC but how well built the house is.
Anonymous No.106313663 >>106313693
Don't they have some small thing now instead of those huge boilers for heating water?
Anonymous No.106313688
>>106313268 (OP)
What's the problem? Outdoor HVAC units are pretty efficient and they get the job done well
Anonymous No.106313693 >>106313724
>>106313663
Yes. A portable AC is good enough for many apartments. No need for a giant system. You do need to eject air outside though. Heating is much easier than making the house colder.
Anonymous No.106313724 >>106317014
>>106313693
The problem with portables is the air that's ejected to the outside is sucked from the interior of the home creating negative pressure. This causes air to be sucked in from the outside through various cracks and drafts which causes mold and raises the temperature which then causes the AC to work even harder to cool down. It's the least efficient form of AC to use. Even a shitty window unit is better. A 20 year old outdoor proper HVAC is more efficient than the newest portable.
Anonymous No.106313727 >>106315571
>>106313605
>Your meme tech will never catch on!
Do you have a refrigerator?
Anonymous No.106313767 >>106313863
>>106313268 (OP)
why do acs need refrigerants? Why not just compress air?
Anonymous No.106313863
>>106313767
Many reasons but the thermodynamic properties are terrible for air.

Refrigerants (ie.., r410a) work well because they either expel a lot of energy through a phase change (gas->liquid) or they suck in a lot of energy doing the opposite (liquid -> gas). These things happen at the compressor or condenser in a modern AC system resulting in cooling and heat exchange.
Anonymous No.106313902 >>106313932 >>106314100 >>106315043
>>106313268 (OP)
humanity did come up with a better way
https://youtu.be/R_g4nT4a28U
Anonymous No.106313931
>>106313268 (OP)
ACs are great and already very efficient. The biggest problem is not their efficiency, it is that you need a complex HRV/ERV system to keep the air quality good enough, otherwise CO2 and VOC levels increase dramatically in just a few hours.
Anonymous No.106313932 >>106314092 >>106314104
>>106313902
If you want a poverty tier AC then you burry a few hundred meters of pipes in a loop back to your house and it'll spit out average ground temperature
Anonymous No.106313992 >>106314056
>>106313268 (OP)
>Is it the energy cabal keeping innovation down?
Unironically yes.
Look what happened to Bob Lazar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ytg23mDd1a4
After coming up with this, they "employed" him on a "super secret alien project," then completely destroyed his life.
Anonymous No.106314056 >>106314073
>>106313992
I didn't realize this guy was also a hydrogen nut. Not that I ever believed his tall tales, but this just confirms he's crazy.
Anonymous No.106314073 >>106314099
>>106314056
>hydrogen nut
What?
Anonymous No.106314092 >>106325878
>>106313932
I buried a few hundred meters of pipe in your mother. Her temperature and joy rose quite rapidly.
Anonymous No.106314099 >>106314128
>>106314073
>lets all drive around at 60 miles an hour with high pressure tanks of explosive gas
Anonymous No.106314100
>>106313902
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNs_kNilSjk

Brother is doing god's work, (science).
Anonymous No.106314104 >>106314125
>>106313932
I appreciate reliability more than the pay the electricity bill/connect your AC to internet/make app on chinese app before being able to use AC/ oops AC doesn't work because no internet/cloudflare is down so no AC for you today bullshit headaches miss me with that shit
Anonymous No.106314125 >>106314137 >>106331726
>>106314104
>make app on chinese app before being able to use AC
No one would just go on the internet and tell lies right?
Anonymous No.106314128 >>106314206 >>106320445
>>106314099
>high pressure tanks of explosive gas
Watch the video.
>Hydride enables safe storage of hydrogen gas in they cylinders
>You could fire incendiary rounds at them and they wouldn't explode
>The US government forbids its sale
Explanation starts at 0:45
Anonymous No.106314137 >>106314189
>>106314125
https://youtu.be/5M_hmwBBPnc
Anonymous No.106314189 >>106314233
>>106314137
So nothing stopping him from actually using the dishwasher
Anonymous No.106314206 >>106314228 >>106320445
>>106314128
I didn't understand the difference between hydride and hydrogen gas/liquid until the very end of the video. It's quite a massive hurdle in wanting people to adopt hydrogen engines and they really underplayed it.
Anonymous No.106314228
>>106314206
It's pretty obvious that nearly "free energy" is extremely plentiful. They literally destroyed Bob Lazars career and life, alongside those of many other unnamed individuals.
Anonymous No.106314233 >>106314382
>>106314189
yes it does, you cannot use the features you paid for unless you make an online account and register with surveillance state
>but it's not all the features
this is just slowly boiling the frogs alive. they constantly add more and more. there's devices you cannot literally use, at all, unless you make an online account. zero possible use unless the account is created.
the washing machine is just a random example where some features are locked behind the online account, there's others that have all features locked. and buying them only enables their behavior.
Anonymous No.106314255 >>106314345 >>106314852
>>106313452
Do you not use AC for heating during winter?
Anonymous No.106314298 >>106314368 >>106315755 >>106317818 >>106318083
>>106313268 (OP)
BEHOLD HVAC CHUDS THE MAGNIFICENT POWER AND EFFICIENCY OF THE CHAD EVAPORATIVE COOLER
Anonymous No.106314310 >>106318479 >>106341360
>>106313302
>you do have to lower the temp for it to be effective
But taking the temp below 27Β°C substantially increases the electricity bill, though. Electricity is expensive here in India.
Anonymous No.106314322 >>106314346
>>106313268 (OP)
>she doesn't know
Anonymous No.106314345 >>106314362 >>106314410
>>106314255
How would that work? I have baseboard copper water heaters in each room. AC is only for cold air
Anonymous No.106314346 >>106317832 >>106319045 >>106325842
>>106314322
>forgot pic
Anonymous No.106314362
>>106314345
You point the cooled air out the window and cozy up to the warm compressor as the unit runs
Anonymous No.106314368 >>106314383
>>106314298
looks like a mold machine
Anonymous No.106314382 >>106319122 >>106324259
>>106314233
There is no excuse in 2025 not to read the manual of something your looking at.
If he didn't want IoT shit there are options, but zoomers and millennials are utter retards that think higher price is better when it comes to chink slop applications and they are shocked that it comes with IoT features.

My Frigidaire has no IoT horseshit but nah, he was forced at gunpoint to buy that Bosch.
Anonymous No.106314383 >>106314402
>>106314368
just drop a little vinegar or bleach in the water every now and then
Anonymous No.106314400
>>106313347
They who? They who?
Anonymous No.106314402 >>106314436
>>106314383
now it looks like a headache machine
Anonymous No.106314410 >>106314456
>>106314345
You probably live in hot climate and the only type of AC sold there is for pumping heat outside of the room.
A typical AC that I'm familiar with pumps heat both ways, including from -5 C outdoors to a +15 C room. It's literally how a fridge works.
Anonymous No.106314436
>>106314402
I've used one, you can't smell it. I should probably add these are used in very low humidity climates, lots of people in Phoenix where I used to live use them and mold is not a problem. Somewhere else, e.g. Florida might be different
Anonymous No.106314456 >>106317558
>>106314410
>C

i live in america buddy. we have these things.
they take in hot humid air and blow back cold air,and the hot vent and condensate line goes out the back
Anonymous No.106314852 >>106315237 >>106315281 >>106320593
How long until the entirely expected "BUT WHAT ABOUT HEAT PUMPS" advertisers show up?
>>106314255
Yeah, not long at all.

If the dogshit tech you learned about from a youtube video was any good, people would be fucking using it.
Anonymous No.106314911
>>106313355
>t's probably the biggest energy draw in your home.
it's not since I don't live in Hellscape, TX so I don't have to have AC
Anonymous No.106315043
>>106313902
>Better way
Could tech channel if you YT, but it wasn't efficient.
Anonymous No.106315237 >>106315421 >>106320593 >>106320649
>>106314852
Why is it dogshit? It's the same fundamental technology. If you care about efficiency it probably makes sense to supplement heating. Unless natural gas is very cheap and electricity expensive where you live. If you don't care then you won't get one.
I can already guess. It's because heat pump got lib coded therefore bad. AC good.
Anonymous No.106315256 >>106315379
>>106313463
I fucking hate the demonization of nuclear energy that leftoids allowed to grow in their ideological camps.
Thanks leftoids.
Anonymous No.106315281 >>106315421 >>106320593
>>106314852
What an absolute nigger you are. I have literally never heard anyone call them Heat Pumps. Your fridge works just fine transporting heat from cold room into a warm one, yet AC is suddenly not good? Sure, it's shit in -10 C, probably not very useful in Canada, but they still work fine as heaters.
Get off YouTube, you're like a poltard who sees trannies everywhere.
Anonymous No.106315379 >>106315605
>>106315256
its not a leftoid mindvirus - its rightoid too. but in all seriousness it is a wef / china backed psyop to stagnate western technology. i mean we literally dont know how to make them anymore we need to use chinese reactor designs
Anonymous No.106315421
>>106315237
>>106315281
>schizobabble with a side of not knowing what words are or how things work
Anonymous No.106315433
>>106313268 (OP)
They have. Variable capacity systems are better.
Anonymous No.106315571 >>106317517
>>106313727
No.
Anonymous No.106315605
>>106315379
Ehhh, there are mutiple angles that don't involve China.
Certain groups would rather see the US deindustrialize save for the absolute highest value industries.
Industry like bulk material processing or low tech manufacturing/assembly shouldn't exist in the US and shutting down existing plants or regulating what can operate is part of that.

The other side sees energy as something to be monetized, it was always the case but like most companies nowadays, utilities are pushing a tighter grip on supply to keep prices up.
Previously supply was kept more abundant to spur usage, but places like Texas has shown they rather the grid go down than generate in abundance even if it's to keep people from freezing
Anonymous No.106315639
>>106313268 (OP)
>How come humanity hasn't come up with a better way to achieve air conditioning?
If the insulation is good enough and there's shades on all windows all you need is a ground source heat exchanger. Simply running the water from the ground loop through air handlers.

Unfortunately most of us have trash houses, so we need air conditioners.
Anonymous No.106315729 >>106318465
>>106313268 (OP)
I use a fan and sometimes add water bucket. It's virtually free, feels good, portable, doesn't need maintenance and will never break. You people are complicating things for no reason.

Yes, I can open my windows as well! Besides that, occasionally, I create an "air current" and enjoy the breeze by exploiting the unfathomable technique which is opening the windows on opposite sides of the rooms. This feels so good.
Anonymous No.106315748 >>106318465
>>106313355
>panels on roof
>big battery
Solved problem.
Anonymous No.106315755 >>106315801 >>106315810 >>106320498
>>106314298
Evap coolers suck ass. Any Australian will tell you this they were incredibly popular for a time.
Anonymous No.106315789 >>106315826
freon has about 2x the COP value of propane and works in way less pressure.
reason it was banned was because patent expired. and the company lobbied for it
Anonymous No.106315801 >>106320498
>>106315755
>Evap coolers suck ass. Any Australian will tell you this they were incredibly popular for a time.
They can be combined with a heatpump. Ghetto style by spraying water on the condenser or properly.
Anonymous No.106315810
>>106315755
Humidity is too high in the parts of Australia where people live. They work a lot better in Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and places like that.
Anonymous No.106315823
fans are humanity's best invention
Anonymous No.106315826 >>106315898
>>106315789
>freon has about 2x the COP value
No.
Anonymous No.106315898 >>106316116
>>106315826
What about R12/R22? R12 ACs worked way cooler than the same ones refitted with R134a, but I'm no HVAC person.
Anonymous No.106315997
>>106313268 (OP)
How come OP's haven't come up with a better way of not being a faggot?
Do you think the electro-chemical exchange in refrigeration is not efficient enough for you? How about you go improve it? Fuck you.
Anonymous No.106316116
>>106315898
R134a was a step down, R290/R600 are a step up COP wise relative to good old Ozone destroying R12.

Pressure is higher, it's flammable, but COP is higher
Anonymous No.106316997 >>106318465
>>106313268 (OP)
Wait until you learn how humanity generates electricity.
Anonymous No.106317014 >>106317421
>>106313724
I hope they just stop cheaping out and start building apartments with a central AC or HVAC system. I'm a rentoid in europe and there is nothing. No AC, no air ventilation, nothing. If I want fresh air I need to open a window. It's actually unhealthy to sleep in a closed room with all that CO2 buildup.
Anonymous No.106317421
>>106317014
For new buildings ducted or decentralized ventilation with heat recovery is pretty much standard in the richer EU countries.

Of course landlords won't change a damn thing until forced to.
Anonymous No.106317437 >>106319110
>>106313268 (OP)
There are plenty of ways.
- you can use the waste heat to preheat water for the hot water supply
- you can dump waste heat into the water you use to flush toilets
- you can use a heat well and dump waste heat into it during the summer
- you can dump waste heat into your sewer output
And you can use a combination of these.
Anonymous No.106317517
>>106315571
you better go catch it then
Anonymous No.106317558
>>106314456
Vent or heat exchanger?
Anonymous No.106317565
>>106313268 (OP)
Inverters exist, anon. It is the best tool for both heating and cooling down a place. Advancements now should come from more efficient compressors (somehow), better heat transfer and better refrigerants. It takes time and evolve all the time. ACs from 10 years ago are similar, but at the same time very different.
Anonymous No.106317580 >>106317713 >>106318678 >>106320990 >>106329426 >>106330299 >>106334257
Why does it feel like a/c's from the 70s-90s were colder than today's?
Anonymous No.106317624
I have invented a material that can not get hotter than 70F. If you attempt to heat it beyond that, it simply converts the excess energy into neutrinos and fires them off into space.
Anonymous No.106317692
>>106313268 (OP)
way more expensive to drill and bury hoses
Anonymous No.106317713 >>106319163
>>106317580
Probably because they were dumb machines which just ran full blast all the time. Modern ones might try to maintain even temperature at whatever value they're set to so once they've cooled the place down to the value they're configured to they may slow down on the cooling to maintain the desired temperature rather than making it even colder or turning off completely to wait until it gets hot again.
Anonymous No.106317774 >>106319454 >>106321030
>>106313268 (OP)
I work in the HVAC industry, as a software dev.
Majority of the industry lives under a rock and is years behind the rest of IT.
Same thing goes for the other departments in almost all major companies that do HVAC
It's a niche guided by people without much of an education that hires almost anyone that can at least read.
It keeps going because the markup is insane and the demand is never going away.
Anonymous No.106317818
>>106314298
Doesn't work in the American Southeast.
Anonymous No.106317832
>>106314346
The fan produces heat and do not move heat outside.
You will increase humidity in your room that in turn will make you feel more hot, and also is a safety hazard.
You are using a refrigerator to make the ice, which runs on the same principles of an ac unit
Anonymous No.106318083
>>106314298
Only works if it’s super dry and they don’t work well after 95F
Anonymous No.106318101 >>106318149 >>106321010
>>106313452
>A measly $85 to absolutely BTFO mother nature and live in comfort
I fail to see the issue
Anonymous No.106318149 >>106321010
>>106318101
its not the money itself its how just running the AC alone causes causes my bill to go almost 2X
Anonymous No.106318264 >>106318347 >>106318385 >>106331678
Thermodynamics fag here, vapor compression cycle heat pumps are here to stay, but other methods also work and the optimized solution is complicated mostly by people being transients who don't think ahead, are female or around one, and unable to invest in what makes sense long term, because life evolves, and roller coaster shit or you just bail from that "home" of yours on a whim, or some family dies, or a bitch leaves you, or you get "let go" from employment, so why the fuck even think about putting in the ideal system for max comfy and savings unless your roots are down for good, and you can swing the price with the money jew.
Its all so tiresome
Anonymous No.106318347 >>106318604 >>106319094
>>106318264
what's the optimized solution?
Anonymous No.106318385 >>106318604 >>106320593
>>106318264
>vapor compression cycle heat pumps are here to stay
Sure, but the implementations are not impressive. And that goes for fridges and freezers too.
Anonymous No.106318465
>>106315748
Can you lend me 50000 dollars? Thanks.

>>106316997
A bunch of Indians in a hamster wheel.

>>106315729
Cool. Gonna drop you off in a 90% RH area and see how well your swamp cooler works.
Anonymous No.106318479
>>106314310
i mean if you need to scale down to 24C from like 41C it's indeed going to be expensive
Anonymous No.106318583
>>106313268 (OP)
this is as efficient as it gets.
the poor AC unit only spend niggawatts to compensate for all the heat people's houses leak through their shit insulation, and all the sun and hot air trapped in those concrete jungles that were built by people who added lead to gas and tore down dense housing for more parking space.
Anonymous No.106318593 >>106318617 >>106319130 >>106322774 >>106325456
We already do. Just dont be a city high humidity cuck. Us desert rats in utah arizona and the rest of the southwest are thriving.

>uses 300W a day
>takes a couple gallons of water
>gives you cool 60 degree air like magic all day long


My $2000 solar setup powers everything I need all day including a fridge with a freezer.
Anonymous No.106318604
>>106318347
Its like meticulously building a PC and agonizing over your needs for each part, use cases, budget and time payoff, electricity cost and cost stability projected into the future, how long can you stay in your comfy space. Then, local energy resources will skew you choices wildly, because obvious cost benefit for local conditions. Its all custom, this is the struggle of the autist engineer who is obsessed with efficiency and first principals decision making.
>>106318385
Unfortunately this all depends on what you buy, good options do exist, but you basically need to be a deep pocketed engineer handyman with time to spare to REALLY get the right shit sourced, and difficult sourcing sometimes kills the value proposition. Also these green energy companies are so snooty to the point where half of them are despicable to even throw business at.
tl;dr. the industry is GAY unless you're an enthusiast autist about green issues. I miss the days of free landlord temp control for a fixed price
Anonymous No.106318617 >>106318669 >>106318707
>>106318593
you know the fridge that makes you ice generates heat right
Anonymous No.106318669
>>106318617
idiocracy seems inevitable
Anonymous No.106318678
>>106317580
more radioactive coolant
Anonymous No.106318707
>>106318617
Im too stupid to know what that means.
Anonymous No.106319045 >>106323779
>>106314346
How did you get the ice?
Anonymous No.106319094
>>106318347
>what's the optimized solution?
Insulate before refrigerate.
Anonymous No.106319110 >>106322790
>>106317437
>waste heat into the water you use to flush toilets
Toilet water that's inside the space that you intend to cool, lol
Using it for water heating is interesting though.
Anonymous No.106319122
>>106314382
>I didn't TECHNICALLY scam my customers
>I didn't TECHNICALLY violate YHWH's law
And he didn't TECHNICALLY smite all of you niggers off the face of the planet several times
Anonymous No.106319130 >>106319158
>>106318593
So it doesn't run into the same issue of portable AC units without exhaust outside of the room?
Anonymous No.106319148
>>106313452
>those numbers
be extremely grateful your city or town doesn't have an AI warehouse farm in vicinity
>my bill got jacked from your prices to $290 when they decided to construct one
fucking assholes
Anonymous No.106319158 >>106319221
>>106319130
Yes, but it only actually works in a super dry climate and even then it doesn't do 30% of what a proper air conditioner does.
Anonymous No.106319163 >>106322827 >>106323760 >>106341609
>>106317713
an a/c is either on or off.
Anonymous No.106319221
>>106319158
The humidity usually is somewhere between 40% and 60% where I live so I guess I'm out of luck
Anonymous No.106319454
>>106317774
>I work in the HVAC industry, as a software dev.
so you the motherfucker that will force people make an online account just so they can use their AC?
Anonymous No.106320406 >>106320464
>>106313268 (OP)
>How come humanity hasn't come up with a better way to achieve air conditioning?
I've wondered this myself. If heat is a form of energy, which it is, why not use it to generate electricity? And since the heat is converted, the room is cool, and you have energy that you didn't before!
Anonymous No.106320445
>>106314128
>>106314206
It's because the best hydrides are used in nuclear weapons. 6-LiD is the one he makes (pretty sure}.
Anonymous No.106320464
>>106320406
You'd still use an AC unit for this, you'd just be attaching the electricity generator to the outside unit.
Anonymous No.106320498
>>106315755
>>106315801
im in GA and these seem to work jhere in satans asshole ust because the tap water coming out of the ground is much cooler than the ambient air temperature. you could run the water through a radiator and then back through an underground loop for a better effect
Anonymous No.106320593 >>106322166 >>106322827 >>106322827 >>106323354
>>106315281
>comparing a fridge to a heatpump
A fridge wishes it could be a heatpump which is why slowly over the years it keeps adding more and more heatpump components to itself like inverters. Some of them, believe it or not even have scroll compressors.

>>106314852
>How long until the entirely expected "BUT WHAT ABOUT HEAT PUMPS" advertisers show up?
It's not that I'm advertising them, it's that 26 SEER is better than 13 SEER and no amount of mathematical wizardry or green energy coping mechanism is going to make an induction heater make more heat than a 120v outlet will produce.

>>106315237
>heat pump got lib coded
It's because shady HVAC companies (protip all of them) make shitloads more selling you trash from the early 2000's that needs "servicing and nobody has the faith to invest in a product that doesn't come in an American sized big mclargehuge unit. A properly installed heatpump from a reputable manufacture has a 5 year warranty and no real "service" save for a potential recharging (because we have to use asshat high psi refrigerant gas now because the EPA is full of dumb niggers who still believe Al Gore's Ozone scare).

>>106318385
>the implementations are not impressive.
Japan? Carribean? Anywhere else? You see them everywhere because they fucking work. It's "not impressive" for most knuckleheads for 2 main reasons:
1. They're poor and stupid and bought a shitty "mr cooler" from ebay that shat out because of course it would
2. They don't want a hole drilled into their wall to the outside, but they want their walls and floorboards cut to shit to install mice highways.
If only they knew in most cases that #2 still requires a hole be drilled into their fucking wall.
Anonymous No.106320649 >>106320814
>>106315237
>Unless natural gas is very cheap and electricity expensive where you live.
During winter my gas bill is $60 and power is $80. During summer my gas bill is $30 and power is $300. My dryer and stove and water heater are all gas so that $200+ delta is all air con, despite only paying a flat 11-12c/kwh. Heat pumps can fuck right off, and in fact if you've got any 3+ ton natural gas powered AC units I'll take one or two of those instead.
Anonymous No.106320814 >>106320863
>>106320649
Weird. I use my AC unit for both heating in winter and cooling in summer and my winter power bill is higher than my summer one.
Anonymous No.106320863 >>106320915 >>106336075
>>106320814
The additional cost in the winter is mostly attributed to defrosting the coils and hidden power company jewery, but unless it's a "cold climate/low temp" rated heatpump they also start losing the rated BTU output when outside becomes lower than 20 degrees. Most people also don't think to mount them higher than the average yearly snow accumulation and the airflow gets obstructed.
Anonymous No.106320915 >>106321000
>>106320863
>The additional cost in the winter is mostly attributed to defrosting the coils
Yep, a lot of it is that.
>and hidden power company jewery
Na, each month they tell me what the cost per kWh is going to be the next month. Yeah, it is more in winter than in summer.
But still, I have my AC on a killawatt and in summer I'm usually around 80kWh for the AC alone (more often less) while in the harsher winter months it is more around 150kWh.
Anonymous No.106320921 >>106322495 >>106322601
>>106313268 (OP)
Geothermal heat pumps are better but a lot of cost upfront.
Anonymous No.106320958 >>106320976 >>106323431 >>106330174
Introducing windows: open these in the evening or during night, whenever the air outside is cool.

Close them during the hot hours between noon and evening.

Good for oxygen and co2 levels inside; great for your energy bills because of their zero watts power rating.
Anonymous No.106320970
>>106313268 (OP)
I remember watching that series Connections.
Although it was more focused on refrigerators, it's crazy to think it's been seventy years and designs really haven't changed.
Anonymous No.106320976 >>106322176
>>106320958
>it's 28C inside, i should open some windows
>now it's 34C inside
nice, epic
Anonymous No.106320989 >>106321012
Arabs made ice cream in the desert hundreds of years ago.

How?
Anonymous No.106320990
>>106317580
>Why does it feel like a/c's from the 70s-90s were colder than today's?
We banned the good refrigerants.
Anonymous No.106321000 >>106321120
>>106320915
>Na, each month they tell me what the cost per kWh is going to be the next month
I can only think of one or two things more jewish than that, yeah.

>But still, I have my AC on a killawatt and in summer I'm usually around 80kWh for the AC alone (more often less) while in the harsher winter months it is more around 150kWh.
How cold does it get? You get snow too? It's also because it's thermodynamically easier to insulate cold air because the heat goes to where it isn't and cold is the unmoved mover.
Anonymous No.106321010
>>106313452
>>106318101
>>106318149
During summer I see tons of ads to encourage people to turn up their AC to something reasonable like 78F to save on energy.
I'm sitting here with it at 83F when there are extreme heat warnings.
Anonymous No.106321012
>>106320989
>dig hole
>do nothing
>win

Nothings change lol.
Anonymous No.106321022 >>106321062 >>106322192
as always, the most elegant solutions come from the pre-techno-machine era.

also, 10ft ceilings will keep a place very cool even in the summer. 12ft for hotter climates.
Anonymous No.106321030
>>106317774
do you work for one of the major CRMs?
Anonymous No.106321062
>>106321022
>As always the technology is just old technology turtled all the way down like everything else.

Now tell the chinese to adopt this windcatching technology, I'm sure they will appreciate it in Xinjiang.
Anonymous No.106321120 >>106321191
>>106321000
>How cold does it get? You get snow too?
Plenty of snow. Not unusual to have an entire month just below freezing.
Anonymous No.106321191 >>106321257
>>106321120
well that will do it if it's not a -15 -20 below kind of model. A couple of mine are like that and I have to burn wood for a month but I like that because it's free and radiant heat is the best kind for cold weather.
Anonymous No.106321257
>>106321191
Hey, I can absolutely get behind having a fireplace.
It's just cozy.
Anonymous No.106321754 >>106321817
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windcatcher
Air conditioning was solved centuries ago. They could simply build these everywhere but don't because goyim must suffer.
Anonymous No.106321817
>>106321754
I get the distinct impression that these are "better than nothing" and not a complete indoor climate control solution.
Anonymous No.106322166
>>106320593
>American sized big mclargehuge unit
sounds comfy
Anonymous No.106322176
>>106320976
kek
Anonymous No.106322192
>>106321022
>get hot air from outside + hotter air from bellow
cool tech ngl
Anonymous No.106322392 >>106322592 >>106322663
>>106313268 (OP)
>How come humanity hasn't come up with a better way to achieve air conditioning?
It has
Anonymous No.106322414 >>106322456
>>106313555
meanwhile my portable AC eats 1000W and has to be enabled full power for 8hours or i die of heat in my roof apartment
Anonymous No.106322456
>>106322414
That's pretty decent still. My older portable AC used 3600w
Anonymous No.106322495 >>106322571
>>106320921
>Geothermal heat pumps are better but a lot of cost upfront.
This.
Geothermal is great in most scenario because the underground temperature is way more stabel than at the surface.

It's warm enough to steal calories efficiently when it's cold outside.
It's cold enough to dump calories efficiently when it's warm outside.
Anonymous No.106322571
>>106322495
Indeed, the problem is the coat especially in a retrofit situation. I am looking at replacing my HVAC and have looked at geothermal a bit. The actual equipment isnt all the significantly more expensive, but the drilling adds a lot of cost. Depending on band and how fancy I want to get, I can replace my HVAC for $7000-$15000. Geothermal would be more like $30,000. My currently highest bill is usually about $220 and some are as low at $70. Its really hard to justify switching to Geothermal in my situation, even though it would be nice to do so. It works much better if you are building a home and can easily roll the cost into your mortgage
Anonymous No.106322592 >>106322620
>>106322392
Heat rises. AC works better when the output is lower to the floor so it doesn't have to compete with the hot air.
Anonymous No.106322601
>>106320921
I tried this but my apartment manager got mad and called the cops when I had the excavator out digging the holes in the ground. I don't know what tf his problem was
Anonymous No.106322620
>>106322592
The very purpose of the AC is to collect the heat in the room to transport it out.
It should be high. That's where the higher heat gradient is. The cold air is going to go down, where you want it to go.
Though, inversely, you'd want it low for heating.

Remember, the purpose of the refrigeration cycle is to collect heat from one side and release it on the other side.
Anonymous No.106322663
>>106322392
Those are more efficient but I would feel like I live in a Motel 6. They're hideous.
Anonymous No.106322707 >>106322770
>she doesn't know
Anonymous No.106322770 >>106322792
>>106322707
>exact same thing
Anonymous No.106322774 >>106322783
>>106318593
>uses 300W a day
Anon...
Anonymous No.106322776
>>106313355
If you live alone it is probably cheaper to go to the gym or the library, and then open the windows at night.
Anonymous No.106322783 >>106335694
>>106322774
one can hope he meant 300Wh a day, for a small swamp cooler that'd probably be about right, aren't they just a fan?
Anonymous No.106322790
>>106319110
>Toilet water that's inside the space that you intend to cool, lol
I sure hope your entire home is just one big toilet. And where I live, toilets often have the cistern inside the wall.
Anonymous No.106322792 >>106322819
>>106322770
Being ductless makes it significantly more efficient though.
Anonymous No.106322814
>>106313355
When I at some point in the future install solar panels, I'll consider AC. Essentially free electricity during the day, when there's the most heat that should be cooled, so the AC only needs to run exactly when I have free electricity.
Anonymous No.106322819 >>106322901
>>106322792
that is not true.
central air is simply more efficient than any other solution based on watts spent to cool a given volume of air
Not mentioning that you have a really shitty seal around your window opening with these, they're pathetically sized and would never really cool down a room.
At least use a mini-split
Anonymous No.106322827 >>106322850 >>106331979
>>106319163
>an a/c is either on or off.
So you don't have inverters where you live? that mateches what >>106320593 writes.

>>106320593
>Japan? Carribean? Anywhere else? You see them everywhere because they fucking work. It's "not impressive" for most knuckleheads for 2 main reasons:
I used to work in Japan and they have very good airconditions that work even in 90 percent relative humidity. Now I live in northern Europe where -30C is normal in a winter and brands like IVT Nordic will work (down to -32C).
The US units I read about seem to be from a steampunk offshoot of my timeline that does not impress much.
Anonymous No.106322850 >>106323415
>>106322827
inverters cant even properly cool a fridge(see LG lawsuits), there is no way they will be effective in a serious HVAC application
Anonymous No.106322901 >>106322945 >>106341609
>>106322819
I thought the same thing until I went down the rabbit hole a while back. The most efficient modern AC is actually the over the door ductless mini-split type due to lack of loss from ducts, inverter variable speed compressor (low speed runs for humidity control.)
Second most efficient is the new U-style window units which mimics the advantages of the over the door type with much smaller efficiency loss compared to the old box type window units since the U-type allow the window to close almost completely avoiding parasitic loss from the window flaps. They're also a lot quieter than the box style.
Third most efficient is the outdoor central HVAC and the main disadvantage of over the door and U-type window are the parasitic losses from the duct work. The duct works hits you for about 10%-30% of your cooling capacity. Of course the obvious advantage is whole-home cooling thus the popularity.
Lastly, there's the portable units on wheels. Those are mostly negative pressure units that cause drafts and mold.
The best comparison is CEER/SEER2 rating and if you do the legwork you'll see those line up with what I've outlined
Anonymous No.106322945 >>106322992 >>106323000
>>106322901
It sounds to me like what you're saying is that if you had the condensor unit with a short run, and the actual AC unit and ducting within the livable space of the house (insulated and drywalled attic) then it would in fact be the most efficient solution.
Anonymous No.106322992
>>106322945
Most often the duct work is in the attic as you say (occasionally the garage). Taking that into account, the parasitic loss is between 10%-30%. Close to the lower end the shorter and better insulated the run is. I'm not shitting on HVAC at all and I was surprised at the numbers but it makes sense. Any number of ducts in itself is going to lower efficiency. It's of course possible that an HVAC could still be overall more efficient and I assumed that was the case. However, over the door ductless systems and made to a high efficiency standard with properly sized coils and inverter compressors that run at variable speeds (same for the U-style window units just not quite as good though close). It all adds up to higher efficiency than HVAC. Still shitty for an entire house since obviously you're only outputting air to one room but the problem isn't efficiency, it's comfort
Anonymous No.106323000 >>106323065 >>106323631 >>106331979 >>106332090
>>106322945
what mini-split spergs dont realize, is that despite the technology being "efficient" they dont do a good job at overcoming the thermal mass of houses. They do an okay job cooling a room off. But if you live somewhere that actually gets cold or hot they dont really get the job the job done.
Anonymous No.106323065 >>106333751
>>106323000
Well, obviously you have to size the unit to the volume of air being cooled. Any undersized unit is going to be suboptimal. Even oversizing a unit is bad since it won't run long enough to dehumidfy the air (assuming it doesn't have a variable speed compressor). If the house is too large for a ductless mini-split then of course a ductless mini-split isn't a viable option. Most people (especially those living in 20 sq. meter euro-hovels) don't have that problem That said, for a given volume of air they are the most efficient.
Anonymous No.106323192
>>106313268 (OP)
>come up with a better way to achieve air conditioning
It's getting worse too because refrigerant keeps getting worse thanks to DuPont and their manipulation of climate science to maintain their monopoly.
Anonymous No.106323338
>>106313355
Have you considered renovating your home to take advantage of more passive climate control technologies?
Anonymous No.106323354
>>106320593
This is the only real AC in this whole thread
Anonymous No.106323364
>A better way

This is already miracle technology
Anonymous No.106323407
>>106313605
This technology dates back to the 19th century. It's a mature technology. >>106313598
I mean technically it's adding 1 watt worth of heat to the atmosphere for every 3-4 watts it moves. Which makes it more like 75% efficient. Let's not be laymen here.
Anonymous No.106323415
>>106322850
5 seconds on google:
>The core issue with the LG refrigerators, as highlighted in the lawsuits, wasn't the inverter technology itself, but a specific component, the linear compressor, and its potential failure within the cooling system. These failures have led to consumers experiencing issues like food spoilage and the need for multiple repairs.
Blaming the inverter remains wrong.
Anonymous No.106323431
>>106320958
>Good for oxygen and co2 levels inside
Also good for ventilating all the solvents and volatile chemicals emitted by synthetic materials in homes such as glue, plastics etc.
Anonymous No.106323631
>>106323000
what in the actual shit are you talking about you bumbling idiot
it just werks and has for ten years
Anonymous No.106323760 >>106326380
>>106319163
That stopped being true in the 80s.
Anonymous No.106323779
>>106319045
From the freezer that in order to freeze the ice is evaporating the heat into the house that I'm trying to cool with the same exact ice.
Anonymous No.106323821
>>106313268 (OP)
They are getting better, but due to global warming and increase of obesity, it doesn't feel like it.
Anonymous No.106323860
>>106313268 (OP)
Instead of centralized air, I have one AC in each room.
Anonymous No.106324259
>>106314382
nta but its retarded that he couldn't find that out until after he bought it. fuck Bosch
Anonymous No.106325456
>>106318593
60 degrees isn't all that nice. Going below that, even just to 58, is fucking magic, though.
Anonymous No.106325495 >>106328490
Central A/C is already very efficient.
My house is 66 degrees right now and it's 102 outside.
It adds maybe $70 a month. Literally less than my internet / tv.
Anonymous No.106325543
>>106313355
AC units are way, way more efficient now. My 20 year old one was a joke compared to what I have today.
Anonymous No.106325803 >>106336629
>>106313268 (OP)
Learn about geothermal radiating cooling ceilings.
It's crazy how unsafe for health air conditioning is. I don't know a single place that does proper hygienisation of air cooling equipment and ducts. They just assume it's not needed.
Anonymous No.106325842
>>106314346
The amount of energy (heat) needed to melt ice is crazy, but this adds humidity to your environment, and when vapour from said humidity condensates in your walls, they release a lot of energy (heat).
TL;DR, you end up with the same temperature as before, but now it's humid inside.
Anonymous No.106325878
>>106314092
God damnit that one made me kek, you cunt
Anonymous No.106326380 >>106341609
>>106323760
Uh, no, my 2014 unit doesn't have an inverter.
Anonymous No.106326461
>>106313268 (OP)
ductless is the ultimate cooling and heating solution and only amerifats reject it because it's satanic or some shit.
Anonymous No.106327658 >>106328343
>>106313268 (OP)
How could some cabal control the entire world across competing enemy societies?

Stop thinking like a young person and your mind will be greatly improved.
Anonymous No.106328343
>>106327658
>across competing enemy societies
who told you these lies anon
Anonymous No.106328490
>>106325495
>It adds maybe $70 a month.
how many m2 is it doing though?
>Literally less than my internet / tv.
damn nigger what do you get for that kinda cash fucking 10g symmetric?
Anonymous No.106329426 >>106337454 >>106338428
>>106317580
>more efficient refrigerant, the downside was it damaged the ozone layer when it leaked
>bigger radiator because huge metal hunk was cheaper to ship domestically, now we get big metal hunk from other countries
>ran full power all the time, downside was a bigger electricity bill and they lasted only 5-15 years
Anonymous No.106330174
>>106320958
Wow, can't wait to open my windows at 5am just to wake up again at 8am to close them.
Anonymous No.106330192
Anything that has high efficiency and longevity is banned because the priority is saving the environment even if the product ironically causes more environmental destruction.
Anonymous No.106330299
>>106317580
well focusing on efficiency but mostly fucking (((dupont))) patent trolling the world into using increasingly shittier refrigerants
Anonymous No.106331399 >>106331601 >>106332122 >>106336296
>>106313268 (OP)
Its called planting trees to shade your home, foreign concept to amierlards in sprawling suburbs.
Anonymous No.106331601 >>106331948 >>106336333
>>106331399
yeah the giant trees that surround my house sure do a great job of magically stopping the air temperature from being 100F in the summer
Anonymous No.106331678
>>106318264
are you okay anon?
Anonymous No.106331726
>>106314125
The GE + Quirky "Smart" AC didn't come with a remote, you had to use an app, you could only change temp, change cool mode and turn it on/off with buttons. Then next season you had to pay 4.99 monthly for the app when they realized that running servers costs money. The groundbreaking features that absolutely required an app + subscription included: timers, timers but keeping the room at a certain temp, and schedules which are essentially just timers again.
Anonymous No.106331948 >>106332046
>>106331601
why do you live in a desert. humans arent meant to live in places like that.
Anonymous No.106331979
>>106323000
You can run multiple lines off one condenser brother.

>>106322827
>So you don't have inverters where you live?

There are inverters on newer models.
Anonymous No.106332046
>>106331948
>why do you live in a desert
Not that anon, but I'm in the middle of Japan. Fucking green everywhere. And we got over 100F here this summer, though most days during summer are in the 90s.
Anonymous No.106332090 >>106332736 >>106341609
>>106323000
>thermal mass of houses
Newer builds for custom (expensive) homes take AC into account.
There's what they call a Passive House standard, which is essentially a house that has almost zero air leakage (draftiness), insulation that wraps around the entire building, and controlled air exchange from only one location in the house.
These houses are apparently so well insulated and so air-tight that they only lose a couple of degrees when snowed-in for a few days without power.

But yeah, it's a very autistic form of building that assumes you'll have power 99% of the time and are willing to front-load the cost of 3x more insulation than anyone else ever would
Anonymous No.106332122
>>106331399
the heat island effect is a bike cuck city dweller thing, not a suburbanite thing
Anonymous No.106332736
>>106332090
>controlled air exchange from only one location in the house.
For renovation decentralized works too. There are cheap dual fan units with ceramic heat exchangers with lots of channels which swap direction when the ceramic blocks saturate. Needs less space than crossflow units.
Anonymous No.106333751 >>106334213
>>106323065
>20 sq. meter euro-hovels
figment of your imagination
Anonymous No.106334213
>>106333751
After looking up what 20 square meters is in square feet, yeah, he's definitely taking the piss, but the disparity is real.
Anonymous No.106334257
>>106317580
The refrigerant was better. Now we have safer for the environment refrigerant and it sucks ass.
Anonymous No.106335537
can we get some AI controlled AC please.
Anonymous No.106335572
>>106313347
>caves where the temperature is the same all year long
Anonymous No.106335694
>>106322783
Fan + reservoir + wick for water. Problem is that it increases the relative moisture of the air, which also increases the wet bulb temperature, which is the "feels like" in weather. It works wonders if you live somewhere dry, but if you live somewhere that's too humid? That won't do anything, except if you use cold water, but even then the difference is negligible.
Anonymous No.106335911
>>106313463
This. We could have ended energy scarcity 50 years ago if the people in charge wanted to make the investment.
Anonymous No.106336075
>>106320863
ok so fact is that the old fashioned murican AC in >>106313268 (OP) is designed by dumb rednecks who can't understand computers

This means that the defrost is a simple outdoor temp sensor: under 40 outdoors? -> ok now we're spending 20 minutes out of every hour defrosting.

And because the only people dumber than the dumb rednecks designing these things is the dumb rednecks installing them and there is no way to expect the installers to read a manual and flip a few switches to adapt them to the local climate, they come from the factory set with the most aggressive defrost settings imaginable.

But, anon, you can read, right? Depending on your local climate, you can read the installers manual and adjust the defrost time to a duration suitable for your local climate. Keep an eye on it for the next few days just in case, and if it ends up icing up, just bump up the defrost to the next setting. ezpz, and you have now saved 10-20% on your heating bill
Anonymous No.106336296
>>106331399
Where I live, hurricanes tend to make trees fall on houses.
Anonymous No.106336333 >>106336639
>>106331601
they do probably keep your house from being 120Β°F
Anonymous No.106336350
>>106313268 (OP)
I just wish they were quieter.
my stupid nigger neighbor turns his shitty loud ac on even when it's 60Β°F outside.
fucking nigger
Anonymous No.106336592 >>106338389
>>106313392
Why don't they use a two stage process? I fyou have one dry stage to cool down to ambient temperature and one wet stage for phase change cooling you get lower temperature and use less water and have less issues with legionella.
Anonymous No.106336629
>>106325803
>It's crazy how unsafe for health air conditioning is. I don't know a single place that does proper hygienisation of air cooling equipment and ducts. They just assume it's not needed.
Back in Africa, we were required to clean the filter ourselves once every two week. And to have the whole AC cleaned by a professional every year.
They would still reek of mold way before those yearly checkup though :-/
Anonymous No.106336639
>>106336333
The best that tree coverage can do is stop the roof from heating up too much which is better than nothing but realistically it won't do jackshit in hot climates.
Anonymous No.106336681
>>106313268 (OP)
Anonymous No.106336764
>>106313268 (OP)
Anonymous No.106337454 >>106338497 >>106338897 >>106339258 >>106340545 >>106340602
>>106329426
Modern AC units are typically only rated to last like 8 years now. For the low low price of $15,000.
Anonymous No.106338389
>>106313392
>>106336592
because the image is wrong. legionella is not an issue with the use of chiller towers, because the outside water does not come in contact with inside air; it all happens through radiators and sealed cold-water tubes. Might be a different story if you're a HVAC tech spending all day on the roof around it, but they should just wear a mask.

the reason these towers are only used at large scale is because they are expensive and the costs only become reasonable at large scale.
Anonymous No.106338428
>>106329426
Anon, your ignorance is showing.

Systems are objectively more efficient now. They cared so little about measuring efficiency back then that they only came up with a system in 1992.

And the huge metal hunks that american companies made and still made had only 2 settings: full power on, and off. Remember your lights dimming when the system kicked on? Contrast that with asian systems, which can run at any percent between 10% and 100% power.
Anonymous No.106338497 >>106338854
>>106337454
Unless you build your macmansion out of uninsulated stick walls, the air conditioner itself should not cost more than a couple thousands.

Labor adds 10k$.
Anonymous No.106338854 >>106340126
>>106338497
I’m talking the whole system. Seeing as, most houses, when built, don’t typically have any parts of it at all. But yeah, labor is the real bitch.
Anonymous No.106338897
>>106337454
you realize you repair appliances, right? you don't just fucking replace them wholesale.
Anonymous No.106339258 >>106339399
>>106337454
My AC was like 5 grand and is going on 15 years old
>yeah but the ones they made 15 years ago were good, the 8year old ones only last 8 years
no they don’t fuck off
Anonymous No.106339399 >>106340335
>>106339258
>yeah but the ones they made 15 years ago were good, the 8year old ones only last 8 years
Who are you quoting?
Anonymous No.106339583
>>106313510
Yes that's right, goy. Shiver in the dark or sweat in the burning heat so we can charge more for less and keep the money that should have gone into building more generating capacity.
Anonymous No.106340126
>>106338854
Forget central AC, just get a mini-split or window unit for each room you want cooled. Way cheaper.
Anonymous No.106340335
>>106339399
who said I was quoting someone? nobody. that’s who. you just made it up you schizo.
Anonymous No.106340545
>>106337454
That is about 10x what I paid and my previous AC lasted nearly 20 years.
Anonymous No.106340602
>>106337454
That's complete horseshit, you are getting scammed if you are paying that much, and you are also getting scammed if you are getting them replaced that often. A decent AC unit can last 20 years pretty easily unless you abuse it like a retard.
Anonymous No.106341360
>>106314310
i hope you die of a heastroke you subhuman pajeet
Anonymous No.106341609
>inverters
>inverters
Half of you shitbrains are talking about reversing valves. That's a standard component on anything but bottom dollar garbage these days.

>>106319163
Modern systems have variable speed compressors and variable aperture solenoids. There are limits of course, but they can maintain efficiency at a variety of loads until you get out to the extremes.

>>106326380
>I bought the cheapest piece of shit and don't understand why it doesn't have features.

>>106322901
Ducted systems are the most efficient in new construction that's designed to account for the ductwork from the get go. They're also the most convenient in the Northern Midwest US because you can splice in whole home humidifiers in after the primary blower, and that makes the winters tolerable.

>>106332090
Modern actual luxury homes... not the faux luxury we put colored LED light strips in the bahtroom so it costs 800,000 dollars now you see being sold to nouveau riche retards, but actual quality homes are built to pretty high standards. In the vast majority of the US it's not worth building that much insulation because simply existing in the house and using things like computers, the lights, etc, all generate heat. If you insulated that well you'd be running AC in the winter.

The latest trend starting to show up in high end houses in cold regions is ground source heat pumps because the ground is warm year round and that means you can draw from it efficiently. Even outside of that, it's never worth building that degree of insulation because any high end property like this is going to have a backup generator with a propane tank big enough to run with everything in the house being used at full tilt for 2 weeks continuously. If you've got the money to build a real house, adding a proper generator system in a discreet outbuilding behind a hill to shield the noise and a buried propane tank to keep things from looking unsightly is a rounding error on the overall budget.