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Anonymous No.106316043 >>106316186 >>106316205 >>106316866 >>106320015 >>106320045 >>106320548 >>106322617
Prompt engineer
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Anonymous No.106316186 >>106316278 >>106317071
>>106316043 (OP)
>put my entire code file in the ai, except there's one obvious mistake in it
>ai can't find the error
How are you supposed to be vibe coding if it cannot analyze and solve problems?
AFAIK the only good use ai has is as a search engine for algorithms and mathematics because it has been trained on libgen data(meta llama at least)
Anonymous No.106316205
>>106316043 (OP)
I would like to reveal my opinion in regard to your statement but unfortunately I risk a ban.
This rule seems unjust and inappropriate as our real thoughts cannot be shared, when they should.
I propose we change these rules.
Anonymous No.106316278 >>106316289 >>106316407 >>106316429 >>106322626 >>106322730
>>106316186
>How are you supposed to be vibe coding if it cannot analyze and solve problems?
Anytime I've used AI to assist in coding, the process has basically looked like
>Generate code to do X
>Test it for whatever reason
>Doesn't work
>Ask AI to fix it
>AI fails to fix it
>Repeat until you admit defeat
>Manually debug and fix it yourself
The total time saved may be >0 depending on the complexity and scale of whatever you generate, but it isn't the crazy revolutionary invention Sam Kikeman claims it to be, and it certainly wont turn pajeets into good programmers. If anything it'll mask their lack of skill until it's too late and the project is doomed due to the whole code base being impossible to work with.
Anonymous No.106316289 >>106316406 >>106319440
>>106316278
Just use it for small segments.
Isolate the challenge down as much as possible and it generally does well. Then you manually integrate what it gives you into your project. You can pre-prompt it with specific coding/typing styles to make things quicker/easier.
Anonymous No.106316406 >>106317003
>>106316289
>Just use it for small segments.
That goes against the whole point. Unless you're working on a huge code base, the slow part of writing code is usually writing the code and not thinking of how to implement it. If you're working on a small segment that could be written in a few seconds it doesn't make sense to prompt and AI to do it for you. Also, depending on what you're doing it's better to generate the whole thing at once as AI is bad at writing scalable code, so if you leave out details it'll often write solutions that are incompatible with what you need to add later.
>Isolate the challenge down as much as possible and it generally does well.
It really doesn't. For simpler languages like Python or JS it's decent (but still very prone to logic errors in the code). Not to mention the avalanche of issues that inevitably present themselves if you're ever unfortunate enough to use a pre-existing framework. No matter how extensive the documentation is, I can bet money that the LLMs will misuse functions or invoke certain logic in places where it doesn't make sense (I've recently ran into these issues a lot when using WordPress for a personal project with a friend).
For more complex languages like C or C++ it commonly generates straight up invalid code full of syntax errors.
I distinctly recall trying to load a texture using the IWIC framework from wincodec.h and GPT would insist on trying to use a function that doesn't exist and that hasn't ever been mentioned online, and continued trying to call it (or alter it slightly -- still in a way where the name doesn't match any existing function) even after being corrected. It also repeatedly tries to use reinterpret_cast inside consteval functions.
Anonymous No.106316407
>>106316278
Skill issue.
Maybe try making a plan before heading in blind and be surprised when nothing works.
Prepare > build simple tasks > assemble complex code
Anonymous No.106316429
>>106316278
You essentially have prompt each pseudocode portion (sometimes even break it down further per substep etc.)
Anonymous No.106316866
>>106316043 (OP)
vibe-coding is only useful for the following kind of users
1)have 0 coding skills
2)Trivial web-apps with trivial functionality
3)devops
4)ML boilerplate
5)Translating complicated math expressions into code snippets (Understanding what the math behind must do)
Everything else that requires Mathematical or Engineering thinking you have to be ridiculous mediocre or be under the dunning krugger effect to not be aware that current LLMs can't plan neither reason.
Anonymous No.106317003 >>106317311 >>106318506
>>106316406
You're retarded. Never code again.
Anonymous No.106317071 >>106317198
>>106316186
>How are you supposed to be vibe coding if it cannot analyze and solve problems?

You aren't.
Megacorps desperately want LLMs to be profitable because they overinvested in it and need money back before the bubble pops.
Anonymous No.106317198
>>106317071
>overinvested in it and need money back before the bubble pops.
also startups are burning a lot of money on stupid IA services that will lead them to negative ROI
Anonymous No.106317311
>>106317003
>Not an argument
Try again, vibecoder.
Anonymous No.106318506
>>106317003
nta but isn't it funny how the person advocating against vibecoding explains their thoughts and reasoning while the ai reliant pajeet immediately begins seething while being unable to make a case for themselves
Anonymous No.106319440
>>106316289
>Using LLMs for Coding
Anonymous No.106320015
>>106316043 (OP)
jeets eternally btfo
Anonymous No.106320045 >>106320554
>>106316043 (OP)
I make Roblox games with AI, that does well enough
Anonymous No.106320547
>prompt engineer
I laugh at everyone using this seriously, too. In a goofing around context, it is fine, but outside of that, just wow, literally far worse than "sanitation engineer", "transparency enhancement facilitator", and "coin facilitation engineer".
Anonymous No.106320548
>>106316043 (OP)
Don't make fun of me.
Anonymous No.106320554 >>106322773
>>106320045
>Costs to upload
Roblox approves this message.
Anonymous No.106322617
>>106316043 (OP)
prompt engineer... interesting, i will put that into my CV
Anonymous No.106322626
>>106316278
>Doesn't work
>Ask AI to fix it
>AI fails to fix it
>Repeat until you admit defeat

you need to ask in different way or explain the AI like retard what you really want, like if you speak with mentally challenged person.
Anonymous No.106322730
>>106316278
>Anytime I've used AI to assist in coding, the process has basically looked like
>Generate code to do X
People who fail to use LLMs never say what X is...
Anonymous No.106322773
>>106320554
It’s free to upload games you brainlet