Thread 106318307

how do we make linux competitive?

>>106318307 (OP)
Tech giants work to give it high compatibility. Will also have the effect of making it gay.

>>106318307 (OP)
you dont. it just werks.

>>106318307 (OP)
Same thing Google did, trash everything userland and start over, then fork the kernel and use a stable driver ABI because the unstable driver ABI has proven retarded.

>>106318475
it's going to be nice for like 5 years and then it will become gay and enshittified (>>106318321 is right)
it's a short term improvement deal that sacrifices your future

>>106318307 (OP)
just pump money into it.
indeed, red hat and friends are doing just that, right now.

>>106318307 (OP)
>That pic
Macs are shit
>how do we make linux competitive?
It's already near perfect. Some kind of plug n play distro that automatically installs any driver would be kino.

Windows is doing a pretty good job of running themselves into the ground. You could do nothing and probably have a better offering. Windows 11 feels like a cheap Android phone now. Loaded with bloat and now with fancy AI spyware that nobody wants.

>>106318307 (OP)
>do nothing
>win

>>106318944
Based

>>106318403
OP most likely means for the desktop, where it objectively doesn't "just work". Even priced at FREE, lintroons still cannot convince people to use their crap. How long have the zealots been shilling it? Certainly since the late '90s.

>>106318488
If you're jut going to throw in the towel and admit Win32 is going to be the default API for Linux...
>>106318936
They know they can get away with worse because desktop Linux is shit.

>>106318307 (OP)
You don't. There's no need to.
You should focus on making the OS inherently better. Build it and they will come.

>>106318307 (OP)
let mircosoft fill windows with bloatware

mogged by xue

>>106318307 (OP)
Troonixtards don't want that, look at the hate they give to ubuntu and mint because le normies are using it. It will forever be the OS for autistic losers.

>>106318307 (OP)
>competitive
That would mean they have to abandon their communist ideals (FOSS) and accept being part of the private enterprise system that the world revolves around.

>>106321332
Ubuntu is rightfully hated because it's trash that's comically inferior to every single other "just works" distro. Mint is great and anyone who shits on it is a homo.

>>106318307 (OP)
The current trajectory is stable and growing slowly enough that teams can keep pace with user growth.

We have everything in place for all sorts of users. First, the primordials (Arch, Debian, Fedora) are the baseline. These show the vision of what a solid base looks like.

Then there are the distros with a userland focus - Ubuntu, Mint, Gnome, KDE Linux, Pop!, Elementary, ChromeOS Flex. These are showcases for different ideas for the userland space, giving Linux users choice. No ideas are more valid than the other. You can even buy support for these.

And then you have the stuff for enthusiasts. Arch with Hyperland. Lightweight DEs for old hardware. Gentoo. Esoteric stuff that normies won't go for.

Choice makes Linux competitive.

>>106321447
don't worry you'll get on the Mint hate train soon, it happened with Ubuntu when it was universally praised as the ultimate desktop linux distro

>>106318307 (OP)
Make it just work.
I'll give you a quick recap of what happened last week to me
>winblows 10 about to expire
>lets try linux but with a retardproof distro for gayming
>google, find out about nobara
>install without issue
>audio jack in the back does not work
>steam downloads 1gb of shit but dota and tf2 work
>poo2 doesnt start, try 5 different version of proton without success
>go back to windows for the day
>2 days later, boot loonix disk to fix audio issues
>install hdajackreset as suggested by r*dditman
>5 bloat packages get installed
>barely get the back audio jack functioning after 30mins by rerouting the front jack to it
>audio sounds like shit
>steam wants to download the same shit it downloaded last time, again
I guess its skill issue but I would have expected that basic things like AUDIO just worked from the get go

>>106321452
So much choice and yet people still choose not to install one. Maybe it isn't about the choice after all all.

>>106318307 (OP)
out of the box power management features would be nice.

we dont

>>106318997
desktop is dead

Runs every game

>>106318307 (OP)
For me it was Windows 11.
Moved to Fedora Silverblue and never looked back.
There are flatpaks for everything, even osu!.
There is toolbox for command line tools like yt-dlp and gallery-dl.
I use Boxes for Windows 7 nostalgia and for learning other Linux distros.
Steam works great and every game I play runs out of the box.
For other launchers Bottles works amazing.
Fuck Microsoft and fuck indians. There is literally no reason to use that sinister piece of shit OS anymore.

>>106321607
Linux is the third most popular OS, retard.

>>106321582
click on the volume adjuster and choose the onboard sound instead of hdmi

>>106318307 (OP)
Train students on FOSS software in public schools

>>106318307 (OP)
We don't. I don't want winfags ruining my OS.

>>106321896
I did that, the output was 100% correct since it told me line disconnected when I unplugget the jack and vice versa

>>106321888
your picture says otherwise

>>106318307 (OP)
fix this for starters

>>106321888
>9 years since rebranding to macOS
>macniggers still on OSX
lol
lmao even

>>106321958
>noooooooooooo I want to see lines of text just like in the matrix!

>>106318307 (OP)
we wait and let big corps do their thing long enough...

>>106321948
That's just retards not accounting for osx's name chance to macos.

>>106321966
>rebranded to macos in 2016

9 years is about Apple's limit for security updates. Yeah that's pretty funny.

>>106321958
>make folders act like executables
>make deletion act like uninstall (without telling the user at any point)
>force user to download everything as fucking disk images for a worthless GUI that normies will literally ignore
>just abstract fucking everything to a batshit degree until people are completely retarded
no thanks nigger give me the CLI you keep your shit for actual retards that isn't even retardproof as I have literally watched normies keep all the shit in ~/Downloads and forget to unmount and delete the .dmg
even windows does it better

>>106318307 (OP)
Produce another 23 distros.
That should do it.

>>106318307 (OP)
You can't.
There's no money in desktop Linux.
No money to make - no serious effort put into developing a competitive product.

>>106318307 (OP)
ELO scores for arch installations

>>106321958
lmao

>>106318307 (OP)
how do we make linux competitive for kids

>>106318307 (OP)
Linux only needs corporate applications and for the drivers to be stable, and so far there's barely corporate apps and amd keep getting noticeably worse with every update to the point I needed to install amdvlk to play some gaymen without crashing or glitching.

>>106318307 (OP)
Executable install wizard framework that any application can use to install itself. Manually installing something that is outside of a "good goy" repository is cancer. Getting arbitrary software on Windows is way more user friendly.

Have file managers prompt you for sudo access when making file changes that require root authority, instead of forcing you to do separate terminal navigation and copypasting to move files around.

>>106321958
fpbp

>>106318307 (OP)
Google is actually going to make Android Desktop a thing and forever kill any chances Linux had.
The current implementation in Android 16 is promising.

>>106321582
>not using a dedicated dac in 2025
NGMI

>>106321966
>an old OS that just works is... le bad actually!!!

>>106321900
Kids are smart, will realize it's garbage faster than you did.

>>106324174
How'd that even work? Am I going to build a setup with an ARM processor and install Android on it?

>>106327972
Same way Samsung has been doing it with Dex for a decade. Too bad everything cheaper end on Android does not have the hardware needed for video out over usb.

>>106327972
Not sure, probably. Curious how the Titan/TPM requirements will play out if you want to run Gapps.