Thread 106323537

Now that GrapheneOS is nearing its end, what alternatives are out there that are privacy conscious and give you even more control over your phone and apps compared to stock Android?

Upcoming decisions by Google and suspicious behaviour by the Graphene devs refusing to implement simple features that would make the phone even more secure give a gloomy outlook of GrapheneOS's future.

What other alternatives are out there?

Not using a phone

>>106323537 (OP)
>Now that GrapheneOS is nearing its end
no it's not? wtf is this retarded rumor?
> what alternatives are out there that are privacy conscious and give you even more control over your phone and apps compared to stock Android?
grapheneOS, there is no alternative.
every single android that isn't grapheneos is less secure than stock pixel therefore is lacking many critical cve fixes and therefore is as good as the stock google spyware.
privacy is a consequence of security, you can't remove security features and pretends privacy is preserved because there is no google services, it's a strawman argument.
>Upcoming decisions by Google
it changes basically nothing.
>suspicious behaviour by the Graphene devs refusing to implement simple features that would make the phone even more secure give a gloomy outlook of GrapheneOS's future.
this never happened
>What other alternatives are out there?
there is none.
calyx is dead now that the lead left and kept the signing keys. he is the same subhuman why tried to scam grapheneOS with copperhead nearly a decade ago.
/e/os is spyware
lineage is xda jeetware, no white person uses this shit since it changed name from cyanogenmod

iOS

>>106323575
Look at the OP's picture, it's definitely circling the drain.

>>106323610
I don't know who the fuck that is sorry

>>106323575
>no it's not? wtf is this retarded rumor?
In the last couple of days the anti-GOS shilling ramped up again. I assume some 4chinner needed some new bait or rotates it.

>>106323575
Android is starting to close source Pixel specific code and GrapheneOS put all their eggs in the pixel basket and won't be able to work around it anymore. GrapheneOS is on its way out and their devs are acting very shady when asked to implement simple privacy conscious features that wouldn't take more than 30 minutes to implement.

>>106323628
>anti-GOS shilling
go be a shill elsewhere

>>106323664
>Android is starting to close source Pixel specific code
they've been doing that since forever by removing app and putting them in their google suit, it does not change much except delay new releases.
this is already the case for every other smartphone btw.
>GrapheneOS put all their eggs in the pixel basket and won't be able to work around it anymore.
there is nothing to work around, I'm not sure you truly understand what happened.
>GrapheneOS is on its way out
it's growing, they earning more money than ever, more devs than ever, they're doing contract work for big companies, their code is constantly merged into android.
there is NOT A SINGLE SIGN that grapheneos is dying.
> their devs are acting very shady when asked to implement simple privacy conscious features that wouldn't take more than 30 minutes to implement.
such as?

>>106323664
>their devs are acting very shady
mckay was always a schizocow, i feel bad for his tardwranglers that have to keep order on his socials en github when he spergs oout again.

All that said his product is still solid.

>>106323537 (OP)
what's with the anti graphene threads lately? im still getting android 16 updates on my pixel 6, every graphene proxy service has excellent uptime, what's your problem with it?

>>106323955
appears to be just your standard mentally ill freetroon drama

>>106323550
>>106323599
both of them. I'll just consider my iphone as a burner phone and keep all of my important shit on my pc

>>106324139
in an attempt to attract views and ad money, social media people try to stir up controversy / make an elephant out of every fly they can find. anons then mistake the intention for genuine interest and post it here. the internet is mostly monetized attention whoring now, i feel bad for young people having to wade through this

>>106323575
>still a glowie os from country that polices za warudo
No thanks, glowie saar.

>>106324205
99% of all videos on Youtube are PRO Grapehene OS
All mainstream platforms like Reddit, Privacy Guides are PRO Graphene OS
All Fediverse plattforms are PRO Graphene OS
Mainstream media is praising and advertising FOR Graphene OS
ChatGPT, Meta Ai etc. are recommending by default Graphene OS, when you ask about privacy on smartphones

/g/ is the LAST place where you can openly criticize Graphene OS, without getting banned. Being pro Graphene OS is NOT a controversial position, it is the MAINSTREAM position.

>>106323955
The graphene devs are stressed out because their rom is dying. Google is closing up their pixel source code and the graphene devs know their time is almost up and they are going to have to jump to a different phone or their own, but I don't think anyone even trusts the graphene devs anymore.

>>106325005
>99% of all videos on Youtube are PRO Grapehene OS
yes, therefore there are a lot of views to be gained by spouting the opposite opinion. negative news brings in engagement, it's sad but effective (if you have no morals)

Don't care, still using graphene

>>106325276
all headcanon nonsense, graphene just had a release days ago and all of their services are up and running

again, what are you on about exactly?

>>106325360
There are NO videos on youtube, which criticize Graphene from a technical perspective. There is no video, which points out that nobody has audited the code of Graphene, the proprietary Pixel hardware, the intransparent financing of the Graphene organisation or Graphene devs shilling for iPhones. Nobody is talking about it. Or is it possible, that the people who are talking about it are being surpressed?

It was always some niche bullshit for google pixel owners. Not even worth discussing.

>>106325577
>the proprietary Pixel hardware
the practically essential closed source google based security chip (titan m) is never talked about in these threads

>>106325577
>Same wrong talking points from the last couple smearing campaigns
No way it's the same retard again, who would've thought!

>>106325633
How are they wrong?

>>106323537 (OP)
I'm so fucking tired of people not understanding how privacy works. If there is a single puncture, the water is gonna flood out.

>Over 20+ default system android apps that track you and sell literally almost everything you do to governments, companies like palentir and third parties that you cannot uninstall without universal android debloater. These apps can use every modern system sensor like gyro, microphone etc to approx where you are in any given room, your movements and behavior patterns.
>Sims are unsafe and have a ton of personal info that gets sent to cell towers.
>All data sold about you (terabytes of info) is compiled into a database about yourself assessing behavior patterns to make out who you are, what you act like, how stupid you are etc and are sold to govs and companies to potentially squeeze a buck out of you and to build master databases about the different types and categories of people from the immature and stupid to the most important figures alive. In the modern age they use ai to profile you automatically. Using this info they can also manually push things to your social feeds by talking to companies to destabilize your already shaky mental fortitude if they feel it can be benificial to them. EVEN IF YOU GO ANONYMOUS COMPLETELY, THEY HAVE A BIG ENOUGH DATABASE ON YOUR BEHAVIOR AND WHAT U DO ONLINE TO KNOW ITS YOU WHEN YOU ARE ON SERVICES LIKE TOR.
>Wifi, bluetooth and data even while "powered off" still pings nearby cellphone towers with your location and unique device identifiers using low power. Gps also still pings.
>Modern phone cpus have another low power os that operates 24/7, even when the phone is powered off, specifically dedicated to tracking you through the system sensors and whatnot. This is also on pcs.
>Pinging to any cell tower reveals who you are as your device info is sent.

Yeah fucking dont use cell phones LOL. No matter what you do you will be tracked.

>>106325749
Already told you a few weeks ago, paid fren

I'm going to install graphene. It's rubbed someone the wrong to cause the amount of counter-shilling on this board, it's more convincing than any of the claims on their site.

>>106325782
The best way to be anonymous is to use tails on some shitty laptop with a cpu that has no os installed on it and use public wifi in crouded areas completely through tor without acting like you normally do and visiting the services youd normally visit. In a world where even connecting to wifi sends your device id info, coordinates and whatnot thats the best you can possibly do. Anonymity has never been a thing since the internet age started.

>>106325825
When you get the laptop dont even buy it from something that can be traced back to you. Buy it from a garage sale or something in another state.

>>106323537 (OP)
why are you trying so hard psycho rossmann jew

>>106325802
No, you didn't. You said, criticizing Graphene OS from a technical standpoint is "harassment" and "spreading misinformation".

Hey guys, Micacy here! I see we have a lot of people here spreading misinformation again! Ok, here are some of my eternal truths about the the next best alternative for Graphene OS in terms of privacy and security! And don't forget, iPhones and Pixels are awesome! Together we can fight BigTech surveillance! Oh, and don't forget to create a Apple ID for extra privacy!

>An iPhone is the next best choice for a private and secure smartphone.

https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private/3

>>106325850
Oh are you back to the
>Everyone who isn't sucking me off for my shallow criticisms is secretly micay
arguments that would easily be proven wrong just by looking how quickly you got btfo'd around the clock?

>>106325924
Ok, then pleasd tell me, how an iPhone with an Apple ID is supposed to improve my privacy?

>>106325911
Daniel, you really should see a psychiatrist, you know. We're worried about you.

>>106325952
>Suddenly all other criticism falls
>Only to misrepresent claims

People who criticize GrapheneOS should be required to provide an alternative to it. Genuinely seems like the best privacy ROM, despite its flaws.

>>106326000
Doesn't answer the question.

>>106325439
>b-but they had an updooot
Congrats, a proprietary binary firmware blob got updated.
Micay spends more time spreading lies on the internet than developing graphene OS,

>>106326216
>Didn't even keep up with his name faggotry
Pathetic, at least own it

>>106326105
>should be required to provide an alternative to it
Go to aliexpress and search for "phone".
Any of those will be more secure than a fucking Google Pixel tracking device.

>Is grapheneOS nearing the end?
No
Next question

>>106326343
>Having google's spyware is not as bad as google's spyware + chinese spyware + brand spyware

>>106326105
LineageOS

>>106326366
>Not even fully degoogled
>Bootloader needs to be unlocked

>>106326365
Why would the Chinese accept Google spyware on their phones?

>>106326377
Because they need to have GApps on them to be allowed to use android and they don't care about your privacy

>>106326373
>Not even fully degoogled
Neither is GrapheneOS.
You just asked for a better alternative, and you got one.
>Bootloader needs to be unlocked
The bootloader is a proprietary binary firmware blob supplied by Google, if you put any trust into it, you can't claim to want either privacy or security.

I hate that 'security' is just used as an excuse to lock people out of their own devices so they sit in the tracking-zone along with everyone else. I wouldn't be using a phone at all without graphene so I'm glad even if I have to use a pixel 7a for the rest of my life

>>106326388
>Lineage is at best at least as bad as Graphene
>Here's your better alternative

>>106326383
They ship their own stores and have their own software.
There is no need for any Chinese to use any Google service. In fact, i doubt that they even work in China, so their phones have to run without those anyway.

>>106326409
Too bad that
1. They still ship with GApps
2. They are contractually required to do so

>>106326383
chinese android phones are degoogled

>>106326401
No, LineageOS is better, because it comes with the ability to close apps and it is able to be installed on devices that do not have the horrid Titan M security vulnerability.

>>106326420
You have no idea what you are talking about.

They don't even have to ship with Andorid. Ever heard of Harmony OS?
If you want something "degoogled", how about a phone that doesn't run a Google OS?
Oh wait... i guess that was never your priority... neither was security or privacy.... as we see on your worship of the binary blob bootloader and Pixel tracking devices.

Take a gun and shoot a bullet into your brain, Micay, the misinformation you spam is harmful to every privacy related community.

>>106326425
>Lying this blatantly
(You) deserve it

>>106326428
>At least my non-degoogled apps allows me to have even more attack vectors!!

>>106326451
>They don't even have to ship with Andorid. Ever heard of Harmony OS?
Yes, the dysfunctional OS that will make you stick out like a sore thumb in any western country.
>If you want something "degoogled", how about a phone that doesn't run a Google OS?
How about one that also doesn't run on the OS of one of the most spying countries in the world?
>Take a gun and shoot a bullet into your brain, Micay, the misinformation you spam is harmful to every privacy related community.
I surely will Mr Pooh

>>106326457
Where are those "even more attack vectors"?
Don't you see how you spiral into delusion here?
While your first arguments were the typical questions, you now resort to "but you are lying" and "you are increasing attack vectors"... which is yet another example of accusing others of what you are guilty.

Not a single phone in the world has a larger attack surface than a Pixel with its 50 to 100 MB of binary blobs.
Nobody lies as much as GrapheneOS devs. Everything they post has some lie somewhere. It's notorious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx7CZ-2Bajg

>>106326482
>dysfunctional OS
it has more features and better support than Android and Huawei is currently the company that employs the most Linux kernel contributors.
>one of the most spying countries in the world?
HarmonyOS isn't from the USA.
>ok yes, the USA spies far more than China, but China spies as well!
And China is on the other side of the world and can't touch me. If Xi jinping knows what porn i jerk off to, it doesn't harm me.
But the company and three letter agencies behind Google and GrapheneOS can touch me, they hate me, and they want to see my people dead.

>>106326510
>Where are those "even more attack vectors"?
Ungoogled OS + Firmware from another actor + Closed source code from a third actor + unrestricted boot loader access
>While your first arguments were the typical questions, you now resort to "but you are lying" and "you are increasing attack vectors"... which is yet another example of accusing others of what you are guilty.
Is 'More people you need to trust --> More attack vectors' such a hard concept?
>Not a single phone in the world has a larger attack surface than a Pixel with its 50 to 100 MB of binary blobs.
The more people you need to trust, the more attack vectors you automatically have.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx7CZ-2Bajg
Buy an ad

>>106326535
>If Xi jinping knows what porn i jerk off to, it doesn't harm me.

>sells the data for money
>uses it to blackmail you to your employer in exchange for trade secrets

Uh sure bro you keep believing that china has no interest at all in money or trade secrets

>>106326541
>Ungoogled OS + Firmware from another actor + Closed source code from a third actor + unrestricted boot loader access
So the same as GrapheneOS, but with less binary firmware blobs. Pro tip: Your bootloader isn't locked o glowfags.

If your "security" relies on blind trust in proprietary binary blobs, and you think that this is a privacy or security improvement, you are simply braindead.
Either braindead or you are a shill.
Nobody with a brain can in all honesty make the claims that you make.

>>106326535
>it has more features and better support than Android and Huawei is currently the company that employs the most Linux kernel contributors.
Sure thing chang
>HarmonyOS isn't from the USA.
Read my sentence again, there's a reason I used plural.
>And China is on the other side of the world and can't touch me. If Xi jinping knows what porn i jerk off to, it doesn't harm me.
Yes it does Chang. He knows that you didn't fulfill last month's (You) quotas. All this baiting won't help you, I will ignore you to engage with better bait and you'll need to post again about how micay is such a schizo that you need to post about him on a daily basis for weeks.
>But the company and three letter agencies behind Google and GrapheneOS can touch me, they hate me, and they want to see my people dead.
Every secret service can touch you, especially if you willingly expose yourself to even more of them.

>>106326579
Nothing is locked to glowfags. Might as well stop using HTTPS because the glowies have all the certs. Retvrn to HTTP

>>106326579
>It's google's hardware
>Wait no it's actually some unnamed third party's hardware
Pathetic, try harder

>>106326373
>i want to degoogle
>>106326482
>NONONO, YOU CAN'T SUGGEST AN OPERATING SYSTEM THAT ISN'T MADE BY GOOGLE ON A PHONE THAT ISN'T MADE BY GOOGLE
kill all glowfags
This is where the thread ends. No more discussion neccessary.

>>106326592
>Might as well stop using HTTPS because the glowies have all the certs. Retvrn to HTTP
Every website using cloudflare already did that.

>>106326601
>Uhm ackchually I want to end this thread now after you threatened me with not giving me (You)s anymore
Here, enjoy your 0.002 Yuan. Maybe that's enough to keep your family out of the reeducation camps

>>106326596
Perfect is not using a phone at all. You're looking for 'least bad' rather than perfect.
Unless you've fabbed the chips yourself in your garage from open designs there's always room for a backdoor. They're fundamentally-unfree devices.

HarmonyOS is mogging Android so hard, it's unreal.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CWJWDggB8IM

>be paranoid
>think that every single privacy concerned person and community is trying to hurt you
>blindly trust big corporations
>Google is your only friend that you have left and that you never question
what type of mental illness even is this?
GrapheneOS is reverse-schizophrenia, where you demand to be locked into a big corpo NSA cage, while all the ordinary people are your enemies.

whatever happened to "don't feed the troll"

>>106326745
It is called: Being a glowfag.
Glowfags need to be secure when their devices get captured or stolen.
While simultaneously, everything they do needs to be under surveillance of their higher ups and the NSA and the government needs to know every single step any of their employees do to avoid a second Snowden.

>>106327045
More like another shadow brokers leak
turns out you can just pay disgruntled employees

>>106327081
Back in the day, those people were called double-agents.
They got fed up by their own employee, so they made a phone call to the adversary and offered information in return for even more money.

The largest enemy of the glowfags is the glowfag.
That's why glowfag software can never be private. Even if it got created for their agents to communicate abroad (like Signal). Keeping the boot on your own employees is the uttermost highest priority.
And the three letter agencies don't tell their employees this. They brainwashed them into believing: "We spy on you to protect you from those hostile foreign actors"
Nonono.... they spy on you to be able to put a bullet into your head the moment you get wrong thoughts.
They don't give a flying fuck about your security. A triple-digit amount of CIA glowfags got captured and executed in China over the years. Almost the same number in Venezuela.

>>106325577
uh, i didn't know you had some kind of mental hangup about some open source software project, please get help anon

>>106323575
>>106323620
>>106323628
>>106323711
>>106323955
>>106325379
This is obviously a glowie demoralisation/disinformation thread, just ignore and move on. Do not engage, you'll just add fuel to the fire.

>>106328136
grapheneOS is the most secure OS in existence outside sel4-based custom shit, we need it especially now that google will use pkvm to have a real linux os in desktop-mode available.
maybe we'll be able to have some uefi-based arm computer with grapheneos that boot in desktop mode, that would be the most secure desktop os on the planet by far.

>>106328136
This.
It's just the whole world against GrapheneOS!
Everybody hates us, we must distrust them all. We must start internet wars against them all.
Except Google, Google is good.

>>106328136
It's not. Graphene is on it's way out. Google is closing up the source for pixel phones little by little each month.

>>106328136
Yes but I'm worried about brainlets who think this is accurate

>>106328528
I agree, brother! Those heretics, spreading misinformartion and lies about our dear eternal leader and our holy mission! How can they criticize the fatherly wisdom of our dear leader Micay (pbuh)?!

>>106328572
Google is going to offer more and more as proprietary binary blobs.
And as a GrapheneOS advocate, i support this.
Moving functionality from OpenSource into binary blobs is a great thing that improves safety.

>>106328593
The misinformation against GrapheneOS is on an all-time high! This thread is further evidence of underhanded attacks on us.
The same goes for continued denials and attempts to falsely portrait us as being the ones engaging in this behavior. This creates hostility against GrapheneOS and our developers. Don't people remember how Micay got SWATed and almost killed by CalyxOS advocates? This thread has directed substantial bullying towards him.

>>106326216
The only thing I can think he meant was if a third party (Non-Apple, Non-Glowie) is trying to hack into your physical phone. Like just someone you know stole it. Otherwise that's stupid obviously Apple and the Government have full access to all of your data with Apple.

Maybe they threatened to sue them or something?

>>106326482
> the dysfunctional OS that will make you stick out like a sore thumb in any western country.
Wouldn't this be more of a use case thing? Like if I was on the run or something yeah I wouldn't want to stick out like that (if they can even tell what my OS is) but if we're talking just not wanting telemetry and spyware in my phone I don't care if they can tell I'm using fuck you software. They can send a glowie to my house and try to force me to surrender it to them because it gave them bad vibes.

>>106326551
I'll give you the first one but the second one would've apply to me and I will not be elaborating.

>>106328875
Considering pretty much any online connection will leak your OS it'll always make you stick out. You're massively reducing your anonymity set only so the chinese spy on you way more and the US only through their services or their backdoors in the internet infrastructure.

>>106329107
Spoof the user agent ?

>>106328572
This is retarded. There's no way Graphene OS will go under when it gives pixel devices longevity, thereby making money for Google. Yup and that's about the only credible criticism any rational person can make about Graphene OS. everything else just seems to be fluff and a disinfo campaign.

>>106323537 (OP)
finally and based. no more stupid special snowflakes running around with their pixel phone while bragging about their ocd os. Also, the authorities should search each and every graphene device for csam.

>>106323537 (OP)
>what do you mean my Google hardware phone isn’t super secure from Google spying on me?!?!?!!!

>>106326482
> Yes, the dysfunctional OS that will make you stick out like a sore thumb in any western country.
Is this the current cope? Lmao I’ve had Huawei phones, laptops, and tablets. All solid.

remember than any post attacking grapheneos is written by glowing fingers. they absolutely despise grapheneos. the more they seethe the better it works, this is the general rule

>>106331328
>everything else just seems to be fluff and a disinfo campaign.
people have said binary blobs and vendor choosen firmware integrity keys (both are fundamental security weaknesses) over and over. graphene shills are pathetic.

>>106323537 (OP)
so what do you give up by using grapheneOS vs the default pixel experience
>muhaha you give up google spying on you
I mean what features do you give up, like does banking work, does google have some sekrit AI slop to enhance photos that graphene can't use, shit like that
can you dual boot and have both grapheneOS and default android on one phone?

>>106328832
it's almost as if GrapheneOS is for glowfags.
Who else would consider the government and big corporations as universally trusted first party?

>>106329107
Note how this argument somehow doesn't get made against GrapheneOS.
Really curious why.
Why doesn't GrapheneOS make the glowfags curious?

Remember that Huawei is the brand that sells the second highest amount of phones.
So by the number of their users, you can hide much better with their devices, than with GrapheneOS.

>>106332807
>Remember that Huawei is the brand that sells the second highest amount of phones.
in chyna

>>106332857
there are more Huawei phones in the US than GrapheneOS phones.

>>106332807
https://www.techadvisor.com/article/2843032/dont-take-a-pixel-smartphone-to-this-holiday-destination.html
>In Spain, specifically in the popular holiday region of Catalonia, police officers are on the lookout for people who use a Pixel smartphone, as these devices are favoured by criminals, drug dealers and gangs.
they're melting down about it everywhere

>>106332886
how would they even tell pixel apart from other smartphones? arr rook same

>>106332886
kek, so the whole "using Huawei makes you suspicious" retardation was only a cope and projection.

>>106332895
Considering pretty much any online connection will leak your OS it'll always make you stick out.

>>106332904
everything about this is just desperate-for-clicks media trying to stir shit up. nobody gives a shit what smartphone you use and what os it runs
>>106332911
and how exactly is a random street cop supposed to know that? did they gain the ability to sniff out packets from their 5g implant?

>>106332925
>airport security
>random street cop
idiot

>>106332925
oh, suddenly the "sticking out" argument is irrelevant and only fluff?
What caused this change of mind, dishonest faggot?

>>106332942
I joined the thread about 20 minutes ago, sweaty
>>106332932
I fly all the time and the only places which took muh airport security seriously is israel and to a lesser degree singapore

>>106332963
Schalom schlomo

>>106332963
The whole point of airport security is that they aren't limited to gear that fits into a car.
>i never had problems with them
because you arw a good goy and have an Israel stamp in your passport

>>106332986
nah fuck the jews, all my homies hate jews
legit the worst people to run into when traveling, it's always just-finished-draft cunts and they're always a total pain in the dick

>>106332995
Obviously you are only traveling to selected glowfag friendly destinations, otherwise the airport security of any country that isn't friendly to Israel would have made you strip naked for the simple fact of having an Israel stamp alone.

>>106333015
>otherwise the airport security of any country that isn't friendly to Israel
I don't think anybody outside of mudslime countries really gives a shit, and even then mostly their immediate neighbors
indonesia/malaysia/maldives/morocco didn't care a whit, in any case, and I don't have much interest in northern africa anyway

>>106332726
there's no way to actually confirm any of this, unless, you have the tools and means to do so.

>haha yea bro, binary blobs controlled by publicly traded companies are BAD
>but our binary blobs are GOOD because uhhh... google bad? idk
I'd sooner trust fapple with binary blobs because at least when they get caught with their pants down it'll cause a modest hit to their stock, which they avoid at all cost.
In contrast there's pretty much no downside for glowpheneOS to put whatever mystery payload they want into their shit

>>106332726
you cannot go around closed source hardware with closed source software. make your own wireless mobile network/wifi/bluetooth chips, open hardware and software, and no need for blobs.
who's going to put that 10000000TB/s transfer radios and your 500000hz displays in your latest slop phone, with open source firmware and software? and ... why?

>>106333123
>there's no way to actually confirm
confirm what? are graphene shills actually fucking retarded?

>>106333123
>no way to actually confirm any of this
The Google made Titan M1 chip had a security vulnerability that allowed everyone full access without even booting the OS.
The wireless Google made Titan security key, that Western governments and Google itself used for access control, had a vulnerability that made it possible to copy it, over bluetooth.
So even thought that Google has a 100% track record of producing the worst possible vulnerabilities in their binary firmware blobs loaded onto their security chips... you trust Googles security chip in the Pixel.

This is madness.
Proprietary firmware blob aren't only bad because of backdoors, they are also bad because of the utter incompetency of American corporations to make them secure.

>>106333179
you can present some mitm captures with data going out of your device, showing le evil blobs activity.
notice how nobody, ever, presented such a thing. which should be trivial to capture.

>>106333186
>Proprietary firmware blob aren't only bad because of backdoors, they are also bad because of the utter incompetency of American corporations to make them secure.
In contrast with some literal who that is 100% trustworthy and 100% capable and also loses his fucking mind every time any other alternative phone OS comes up in a conversation who dares to not use proprietary mystery blobs

>>106333205
Don't forget that while he is at war with every other OpenSource community out there, he loves Google and trusts them unconditionally.

GrapheneOS is really a combination of the worst.

>>106333191
you can't detect obfuscated activity deeply embedded in other software activities. also it's a fucking retarded argument
>just sit and watch until someone passes a button for your device and something actually happens bro

>>106333228
for how many tech savvy people use it for shit purposes someone would have figured it out by now.
let alone the whole glowie seething about it. constantly. they wouldn't give a fuck if they had an in.
remember when back in the day some sheriff tried twisting Apple's arm for decryption keys? they made a big fuss about it, then suddenly stopped? know what happened? they got a private company to crack that phone. when they have a way, they shut the fuck up they don't care.
the more they attack it, it means they can't do shit about it

>>106332807
>Note how this argument somehow doesn't get made against GrapheneOS.
That's because GOS got mechanisms against this. It's as easy to spot as pixel phones which have no reason to be targeted specifically.

>>106333191
what do you think how that looks like? That it connects to nsa.gov ?
>look, here is some encrypted traffic to Cloudflare, AWS, Microsoft Azure or Google
This would only be suspicious if you use a Chinese phone that has no Western software on it whatsoever, otherwise it is expected.

>>106333265
What is that mechanism?

>>106333267
your a clueless paranoid who doesn't understand tech and is yelling at the clouds

>>106333239
>for how many tech savvy people use it for shit purposes someone would have figured it out by now.
apperantly you just can't uncover obfuscated behavior waiting for a trigger without it actually happening and analyzing every single bit for anomalies.

>the more they attack it, it means they can't do shit about it
everwhere except 4chan (and even it's filled with retarded shills and glowies making fallacies) is PRO-graphene.

>>106323537 (OP)
>Now that GrapheneOS is nearing its end, what alternatives are out there that are privacy conscious and give you even more control over your phone and apps compared to stock Android?
>
>Upcoming decisions by Google and suspicious behaviour by the Graphene devs refusing to implement simple features that would make the phone even more secure give a gloomy outlook of GrapheneOS's future.
>
>What other alternatives are out there?

>>106333290
your a clueless paranoid who doesn't understand tech and is yelling at the clouds

>>106333305
>everwhere except 4chan (and even it's filled with retarded shills and glowies making fallacies) is PRO-graphene.
see >>106332886

>>106333239
>the more they attack it
GrapheneOS shills attack everything under the sun. There is barely a single privacy-related OpenSource community that didn't get attacked and raided by the worshippers-of-googel-binary-blobs.
They are at war with everyone and everything... except the Google phone and Google firmware.

>>106333320
I don't really care what you use anon. you can pretty much go fuck yourself with any phone you desire

>>106333279
don't ask questions, goy!

>>106333305
graphene or more like glowene

>>106333279
>Can you please summarize the GOS site for me
No but enjoy your 0.0002 Yuan!

>>106333328
nta but I accept your concession

Not one mention of postmarketos..

/g is not made of real people.

Just automated spam to make this appear alive and bait somebody into reply (like me)

>>106333305
>everwhere except 4chan (and even it's filled with retarded shills and glowies making fallacies) is PRO-graphene.
And that is only the case because if you suggest that GrapheneOS isn't perfect, you get harassed and spammed by GoypheneOS 24/7 with endless textwalls telling you that you support the murder of Micay.

>>106333347
You were talking about magic mechanisms that can spoof your IMEI, so i want to see it.
If i google for it on the GOS sites, everything i get is people complaining about how GrapheneOS is able to be fingerprinted in fingerprinting tests.

>>106333359
>Not one mention of postmarketos..
That's because GOS chads realize it's the best option out there while all of the GOS shills (probably just one since it's always the same, incorrect arguments) wants to push you solely to huawei's locked-in system and nothing else.

I have a Pixel 4a with Graphene.
Not that worried about security updates because the Vanadium browser is still getting consistent updates, but I want to look for something more long-term.
Is https://pixelbuilds.org legit?

>>106333359
Postmarketos is made by troons who worship corporations.
It's the exact same thing. Just that they shill less.

If you want privacy focused software, you have to avoid everything that is made by someone who is in the West and has his real identity known.

>>106333186
Again, there's 0 ways to falsify any of this.

>>106333379
>You were talking about magic mechanisms that can spoof your IMEI, so i want to see it.
Very precisely not what I said. I don't know how you could gleam that from me saying 'as easy to spot as pixel phones'. How much is that minimal amount of Yuan worth? A single grain of rice? Maybe you'll get a whole bowl in a year if you keep this grift going.

>>106333186
anon, please show evidence that everything you just posted is actually true. Thank you.

>>106333357
glowie OS never lasts long anon, they get burned eventually, and they always try to get as many as possible with them. many "secure phones" popped up, shady people started using them, got stung, phones went away.
no such thing on graphene, and considering how many are using it...it should have happened by now. more so, police wouldn't cry about people using grapheneos. they'd shut up, and open their phones when needed, and that's it.
statistically speaking, higher chances most of you are glowies trying to direct people on less secure phones, or tech illiterate morons repeating some paranoia without understanding shit about shit

>>106333400
Because it's a massive misinterpretation. It was present for a few months and fixed for a few months before the vuln was publicly known. Are you going to claim that a patched vuln is a bad thing because it was discovered in the first place?

>>106333412
Please provide evidence that anything you're saying is actually true and actually happened. Thanks. I'll wait

>>106333387
I'd just buy a phone in a real shop with cash. Wait a month or two until the security cam recordings get erased if you want to be extra certain that the phone can't be easily connected to you.

>>106333400
Just make the binary blob, that is on the chip that is accessible even when the OS is shut down, OpenSource?

When radio firmware is a closed binary blobs, there is at least some reason behind it, because revealing the firmware would reveal the hardware layout as well. Firmware is generated with HDL files.
But Google keeping the titan firmware as mystery blob is unreasonable and unexplainable. Especially after there were huge vulnerabilities discovered TWICE.

>>106333418
How about your post the evidence of your vulnerability? Last time I already showed you how all of what you said is worth less than the single grain of rice my response is giving you.

>>106333421
>Especially after there were huge vulnerabilities discovered TWICE.
>>106333421
wouldn't that make it even easier in discovering vulnerabilities tho? which isn't something that's particularly desired?

>>106333401
>i didn't say that!!!!
>>106333265
>GOS got mechanisms against this

Nobody cares about your cope. Fact is that GrapheneOS can get fingerprinted and every phone model is known by the very design how mobile networks work.
Whatever "mechanism" you are talking about is snakeoil.
They lied to you, to bath you in a false sense of security... yet again...

>>106333421
>>106333422
So, you have 0 evidence. Thanks anyway.

>>106333419
I don't care about that. I just want to keep my current phone updooted.
R*ddit seems to love pixelbuilds, especially for the 4a specifically, but I wanted to know if anyone here used it instead of Graphene.

>>106333433
>I can't process two sentences at once
I'm sorry, next time I will try to make it easier for you.

>>106333438
So where's the link to the vulnerability?

>>106333432
>OpenSource is inherently unsafe because people would find vulnerabilities fast and they would get patched, rather than staying a secret only known to state actors
ok

>>106333432
+ability of making modified versions of the blobs, manage to distribute them to some phones, comes out they're vulnerable and not secure -> gets brand looking bad -> "omg google phones not secure do not buy!"
nothing good in it for them

>>106333432
That is why i use iOS!
OpenSource is insecure, because it makes it easier to discover vulnerabilities.
Only ClosedSource is secure!

>>106333443
they WOULDN'T get patched because they wouldn't get disclosed moron. they'd be fucking used lmao, in the wild. holy shit how clueless are you tho?

>>106333411
>glowie OS never lasts long anon, they get burned eventually
there havent been single non-scam project that glowed as graphene does
>no such thing on graphene
we don't need mass exploitation of graphene users to see it's security weaknesses
>some paranoia without understanding shit about shit
repeating the same thing again: "graphene shills are pathetic"

>people have said binary blobs and vendor choosen firmware integrity keys (both are fundamental security weaknesses) over and over.

>>106333442
Idk what you're taking about. In moot the one making any claims that require substantiation. Stop trying to put the burden of proof on me just because you can't satisfy the burden of proof for your claims, you stupid faggot.

>>106333441
Considering google isn't updating it anymore I don't believe any updating service is really noteworthy. I haven't really heard about pixelbuilds so I can't help you with that.

>>106333451
open source on your hardware no problem. open source on their hardware...opens up to liabilities

>>106333460
You claimed there was a vulnerability in the Titan M1 chip. Do you have a link to the supposed vuln?

>>106333455
>there havent been single non-scam project that glowed as graphene does
yet cannot prove it for some reason. weird. not a single one. one fucking proof. some giga hacker getting burned, nothing, some activist...literally nobody. they all get killed or smth before they get to blow the whistle innit?

Witnessing GoypheneOS shills say that Open Source is bad for security, is my personal highlight. Especially because it happens in a thread where multiple examples of huge security vulnerabilities in Googles binary blobs got presented.
It is even better than any of Micays rants on social media.
Even better than his recommendation of iOS.
It's the ultimate highlight, nothing could top this.

>>106333477
>everyone 4chan is the same person
No, I didn't, you stupid schizo.

>>106333491
>it's safe because nothing have happened yet
retarded graphene shills and their fallacies...

>>106333493
it is bad for the company itself. open-source on community hardware is based for the community, no doubt about that.
you are not thinking from the corporation perspective, it's what apple does, keeps a tight leash on everything so they get control. opening up shit means others get an easier time in finding flaws that they get to exploit. that particular thing is not desired for corporation as it fucks with their image.
but open-source for community hardware, yeah that's nice, give me that please.

>>106333499
>I just decided to join in the discussion about the Titan M1 chip having a vuln, defending that it does
>What? You can't expect me to come up with evidence!

>>106333493
>Witnessing GoypheneOS shills say that Open Source is bad for security,
We didn't
>Especially because it happens in a thread where multiple examples of huge security vulnerabilities in Googles binary blobs got presented.
Links to any of them?
You're not one of us because posted retarded frogs, but enjoy another grain of rice.

>>106333491
>muh proooooff
Was the huge security vulnerability in Googles Titan M1 firmware on Pixel phones a backdoor or a vulnerability?
I don't know.
But does it even matter? Whether the glowfag hacks me because of a vulnerability or a backdoor isn't my concern. Both lead to the same outcome. Both are the same type of "software". Both have the same capabilities.

So what does your screeching achieve?
I won't start using GoypheneOS because you argue that it is a vulnerability rather than a backdoor.

>>106333521
you need to stop, drop and roll. your retard schizo ass is on fire. Scroll up and read again, moron.

>>106333533
>Links to any of them?
https://troopers.de/troopers22/talks/drstec/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_Security_Key
>The Bluetooth "T1" and "T2" models initially had a security bug that allowed anyone within 30 feet to make a clone of the key.

>>106333535
I'm not even recommending you use grapheneos, notice how not once have I said that. I did mention you can get whatever the fuck you want, I literally don't give a fuck.
what I am interested is if any of you have any real argument AGAINST it. that's different. I'm not shilling them, just curious if anyone of you really have anything, some solid argument, or it is the same glowies + paranoid idiot mix of posters.

>>106333538
So are you saying there are no known vulnerabilities in the Titan M1 chip?

>>106333556
>what I am interested is if any of you have any real argument AGAINST it
people have said binary blobs and vendor choosen firmware integrity keys (both are fundamental security weaknesses) over and over

>>106333562
proof they have been exploited at least once by google + glowies?

>>106333558
>ASKING for evidence for claim = claim is not true
You stupid fuck

>>106333554
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_Security_Key
The bluetooth functionality is not what is included in pixel phones. That's done through another chip.
>https://troopers.de/troopers22/talks/drstec/
Link to the talk?

>>106333574
Then show some links. The ones above are already question (troopers) or proven irrelevant (titan security key, a different product).

>>106333586
Shut your ass up you stood girly mouthed faggot. I'll buss your fucking mouth of you were in front of me right now.

>>106333556
>third time asking the same thing after it being answered
>>106333573
>context window so small it can't even remember more than 10 post
graphene shills turn out to be bots oh well

>>106333586
>please provide evidence for your claim
>i have none, now you provide evidence for claim you didn't name
>thanks

>>106333591
>You're Micay
>No actually you're a girl
>Ugh stop asking me for evidence

>>106333600
No evidence? Then why do you assume there are vulnerabilities specific to the Titan security chips? I hope they don't pay (You) for this blunder.

>>106333556
>what I am interested is if any of you have any real argument AGAINST it
sure
>the developer hates OpenSource privacy related communities, while being in love with Google
>the highest amount of binary firmware blobs made by Google of any phone in existence (especially Google has a track record of security vulnerabilities)
>false sense of security (there is a guy here itt who thinks that you can't determine whenever someone uses a Pixel or GrapheneOS)
>advertise bad security practices (just choose a four digit pin to encrypt, goy, the Titan M binary blob of Google makes this securie)
>his war against everyone else who is OpenSource makes their support worse (they aren't part of the)
>shilling of Google services (it's sandboxed, bro, this totally stops Google Maps from sending your location to Google somehow)
>using a Google operating system
>Permanent lies. Pick any random public appearance of "GrapheneOS" and i can show you a lie within it.
>only works on one specific phone model, that is known for its vulnerabilities

>>106333607
I already answered you above >>106333305

stop spamming the thread you fucking retarded LLM bot

>>106333573
why are you changing the subject?

>>106333607
Retarded schizo doubles down. Do you think there's only one person and yourself in 4chan or something? I NEVER MADE ANY CLAIMS okay moron?

>>106333597
the blobs and keys are not an argument against them, that is a fear you have, which is legit, not denying it.
but if you have no evidence of that being real...it's just fud. that can be said about any smart phone out there. there's zero phones with open radio hardware, all run proprietary blobs, which is actually a small operating system, separate from Android.

>>106333623
Weird, I don't see a link there. Can you name the vulns then?

>>106333626
Then why did you join the side making claims? I don't care if you were the one who made them, you are the one defending them right now.

>>106333609
as opposed to what phone? lol
either way you spin it, google has the resources to throw at the security chip, and general implementation of it, hardware and software. it makes sense they'd do a good job at it. saying "cmon it's google" is not as smart argument as you'd think

>>106333640
>side
Wtf
Triples down on his retardation. Jfc. I never made any claims, neither did I defend any claims.

>>106333628
>just give an argument against grapheneOS being ultra duper secure
>oh, binary blobs and foreign keys? they are not counted
Retarded LLM bot

>that can be said about any smart phone out there
there are no secure AND private smartphone hardware+software out there. graphene being lesser evil doesnt make it good aside from the fact that it is being shilled to oblivion everywhere and fucking glows

>>106333662
So you are saying there are no known vulnerabilities in the Titan security chips?

>>106333640
>Retarded bot that can't read keeps repeating same thing over and over

>i "degoogle" my phone by using Google software on a Google device
the pure mental illness needed for this...

webm related, an actual degoogled device

>>106333664
but that is not an argument they are NOT secure you fucking imbecile! that is a fear you have. the argument of them not being secure is when you PROVE they're exploitable. then yes, that is a solid argument against them.
>there are no secure AND private smartphone hardware+software out there
yeah no shit Sherlock

>>106323537 (OP)
>Is Graphene OS Nearing the End?
Likely FUD, that being said.
>Switched to Linux
All this guy does is spread FUD and miss information because he doesn't take enough time to research and very biased against Windows;

>>106333673
No, I'm not, stupid faggot.

>>106333678
Where are the links then?

>>106333695
Then you are making a claim. So now name the vulns.

>>106333653
>as opposed to what phone
See how we again change subject?
But don't worry, i can answer this as well: As opposed to every single phone in existence that doesn't have the Google Titan security vulnerability soldiered in. Which is the majority of phones in existence.
>you spin it
Accusing others of what you are guilty again.
All your questions get answered, without fail. Whatever straw you grasp, you can't hold it.

>>106333687
holy fucking RETARD
>you have to prove they're exploitable
this guy/bot is fucking retarded and shouldn't be allowed on internet.

that's NOT how you prove something is secure. everything is insecure until it's proven otherwise (with architecture/audit and formal validations). it's how security is defined in literature and everywhere
keep this retard off this board.

>>106333704
>use some random phone
why cannot you provide a better alternative ffrom a security + privacy point of view? weird huh?
I mean...what's the debate about? if you have a choice, go for it. rpesent it here, let's discuss it.
sperging about google not giving you the open software so you make your blobs..ok fine, what does that solve? what are you expecting to happen? what should people do?
because saying "just avoid grapheneos" sure as fuck looks suspicious.

>>106333699
>Then you are making a claim
Is NOT playing football a sport?
Fucking retarded faggot schizo. KYS spare us all your retardation

>>106333726
You said that there are known vulnerabilities in the Titan Chips. You need to name them.

>>106333714
notice how you are melting down about people choosing to use GrapheneOS. who does that? are you looking for their own good? why would some random anon do this on 4chan?

>>106333732
No, I did not, you fucking moron

>>106333714
graphenebots are going in circles now. they keep writing same posts over and over

>>106333714
ok, what's proven to be secure in the phone world, you moron? name one phone + OS that are secure, as opposed to Pixel + GrapheneOS. waiting

>>106333741
>>106333673
>Are there no known vulns?
>>106333695
>No

>>106333748
Nah you're just fucking retarded.

>be American or European
>live in the countries with the highest amount of mass surveillance on the planet
>almost every single request sent out by your device goes to a glowfag controlled company
>even when its a private website, they are behind cloudflare, just to make sure that your glowies get everything
>the people who surveil you hate you
>your government is occupied by a foreign nation, that hates you
>WE NEED TO CARE ABOUT OUR PRIVACY BY USING GOOGLE SOFTWARE ON A GOOGLE PHONE, THAT GOT SLIGHTLY MODIFIED BY A GUY WHO HATES PRIVACY AND LOVES GOOGLE
So pathetic, it's unreal.
Not only are the Chinese under less surveillance, but the people who do surveil them do not hate them and made their country prosper.

>>106333754
retardllm...

>>106333664
>there are no secure AND private smartphone hardware+software out there. graphene being lesser evil doesnt make it good

>>106333756
this fucking guy is seriously stupid. I made no claims. 0. Zilch, Nada NONE.

>>106333765
ok so then use a LESS secure + LESS private phone?
where the fuck are you idiots coming from? this is unreal

>>106333692
That being said Graphene OS is for cybersecurity people NOT people who care about privacy.
That doesn't mean it cannot be used for privacy but, don't be surprised it has features that goes directly against privacy. such as sandboxed google services, which I have no idea how anybody can claim it does work (sanboxing). There is also this thing about the security chip having a hardware identifier, which I wonder how graphene OS mitigates this issue.

>>106333773
>phones are not secure dont use them for important things
>gloweneOS is less insecure that means it's SECURE and I can SHILL it
glowenetardbot...

>>106333477
>You claimed there was a vulnerability in the Titan M1 chip.
No, I did not.
>>106333558
>So are you saying there are no known vulnerabilities in the Titan M1 chip?
No, I am not.
>Then you're still making a claim


This is the level of retardation that we're dealing with in this thread.

>>106333773
Any phone that doesn't have the Google Titan vulnerability is more secure than GoypheneOS.
That is just a simple fact.

>>106333766
You did. I didn't asked if you were aware of any known vulnerability, I asked if there are no known vulnerabilities. You denied this. That means you negated the negation of the existence of known vulnerability, meaning you claimed a known vulnerability exists. This is your claim simply because you didn't say 'I don't know if there are known vulnerabilities'. So now, what is the known vulnerability you are referring to? Or are you going to backpedal and say 'I do not know of any known vulnerability and therefore have to assume there are none'?

>>106333794
Refer to >>106333799. I know double negation is a tough concept for the chinese but I hope I made it clearer for you.

>>106333795
>the Google Titan vulnerability
Which one? Where's the link I was asking for?

>>106333783
>Graphene OS is for cybersecurity people
actual cybersecurity people (not corpo wagie slaves) do not have TCBs protected by a vendor choosen key

>>106333799
Idk who you're talking about, but, it isn't me. All I asked for was evidence for your claims and you're still yet to provide any of that. Retarded schizo

>>106333810
>your claims
Which claims?

>>106333812
All of them. EVERYTHING you said and asserted in this thread as fact. I'll wait. Thanks

>>106333806
>Where's the link I was asking for?
in the reply to the post where you asked >>106333554

>>106333787
don't use them for important thing you absolute turd. I don't use it, not worth the money for me. I don't need security, I'm more on the privacy side of things. if glowies get my phone I'll give them the pin I literally don't give a fuck lol I just don't want to feed the machine with my data

>>106333795
>use ANYTHING but GrapheneOS
kek they're not even hiding it anymore

>>106333783
>>106333807
By "cybersecurity people" he means glowfags.
So people who are themselves under the highest surveillance possible to protect them from outside actors getting to them.

>>106333822
Please state one (1)
>>106333824
>in the reply to the post where you asked
Oh you mean the one with the mention of a random talk that isn't found anywhere on the site and the wikipedia article in which the vulnerability wasn't in the M1 chip but the bluetooth chipset that isn't used by pixel phones?

>>106332871
SMRT desu. I rocked the last Huawei android phone before they got shut down, the one with the good camera.

I always felt they were banished not because they spied on users, as all phones do that. But because they did not share the spying with five eyes.

>>106333834
>he means glowfags.
No I don't, but they do glow, where do we need that hardware identifier for?

>>106333827
>the counter-argument is "gloweneOS glows, so what?"
llmtardglowbot...

>>106323610
>Look at the OP's picture, it's definitely circling the drain.
Look at this picture, it's definitely true.

>>106333835
ALL/ANY of them that I asked for evidence for. Moron

>>106333845
oh, do you mean "cybersecurity" people working for American corpos that are under government control via either DARPA (Google) or direct NSA involvement (RedHat)?
Sure, they also value a lock-in approach to security, where they are under total and absolute permanent control of their higher-ups, while being safe from outsiders.

Basically anyone who treats big-corpos and the government as "first party".
>>106328832
>The only thing I can think he meant was if a third party (Non-Apple, Non-Glowie) is trying to hack into your physical phone

>>106333856
I did not say it glows, you keep saying that. I don't know if it glows or not, and haven't seen any proof to that, only fud.
and we know there's other competition out there who'd have interest in bashing graphen

>>106333868
Name one.

>>106333876
>we know there's other competition out there who'd have interest in bashing graphen
accusing others of what you are guilty

>>106333881
cmon anon, say it, say what people should use instead. get it over with

>>106333876
it's enough tardllmOSbot, you basically admitted "nothing you have said so far matters because I don't care about security"
I accept your concession and please don't act like we're still having an active discussion. it's over.

>>106333871
>oh, do you mean "cybersecurity" people working for American corpos that are under >government control via either DARPA (Google) or direct NSA involvement (RedHat)?
>Sure, they also value a lock-in approach to security, where they are under total and >absolute permanent control of their higher-ups, while being safe from outsiders.

>Basically anyone who treats big-corpos and the government as "first party".
I am more talking about A greater cybersecurity space. but they do overlap.

>>106333886
You reply to a different anon now.
I am the Chinese software shill.
You should use Huawei with HarmonyOS.

Reason why it provides more security and more privacy than GrapheneOS:
>completely and total removal of US hardware and software (the country with the highest amount of mass surveillance of the world)
>the Chinese are on the other side of the world and can't touch you, so if they spy, who cares?

>>106333901
>I care so much about random people's security, so please don't use graphene please don't avoid at all costs, I care for your security anons trust me
>t. anon

>>106333919
nice strawman

Don't you have to run some internet raids against random other ROMs right now?

>>106333914
they had a list of bad words on oneplus, it would trigger some shit and get you under surveillance. words were pretty benign as well. doubt chinese collect data any less than west does lmao, get real
+ it could also be used against you in some future, or sold to the west for the right price, once you get under sauron's eye. so you're not really solving anything. if anything this is a brainlet take, considering the scope of it

>>106333919
>stop shilling your trash retard/glowie
>why do you CARE so much about random people's security? Are you the CALYX OS maintainer? Are you trying to ASSASINATE Micay?

>>106333941
there it is...

>>106333933
Spreading misinformation now?
They had a badword filter for the clipboard syncing to avoid sensitive information to be sent over the internet. It would detect when you copied Real Life contact informations and filter those.

In any way, you did not disprove any of the two arguments:
>complete and total removal of US hardware and software (the country with the highest amount of mass surveillance of the world)
>the Chinese are on the other side of the world and can't touch you, so if they spy, who cares?

You underestimate just how much i hate glowfags.
I witnessed the government running campaigns against my people for over a decade now. If you want your citizen to care about MUH CHYNA, maybe stop hating your own citizen?
Because if Chinese software on my phone helps the Chinese crush and destroy my government, this is a massive benefit to me.
Any argument you could make against buying a Chinese device with Chinese software is an argument in favor of it.

>>106333981
>maybe stop hating your own citizen?
Sorry, we'll stop 'reeducating' the uyghurs. Or trying to take over taiwan. Or the social credit system.

>>106333981
Also the US government sanctions Huawei for years now.
They tried to crush them the same way as they crushed HTC.

There couldn't be any higher endorsement.
Does the US government forbid GrapheneOS? No? Then i don't want to use it.
>>106333996
>MUH uyghurs, muh poor muslims
Why the fuck would i care what the Chinese do in China?
I care what happens here where i am, which affects me.
All Chinese actions that affect me, are good and i approve of them.

>>106323664
no you idiot, google changed the default target device for the android open source project from the pixel to a virtual build device
if anything this is a good thing that forces graphene developers to finally take their heads out of their arses and write some real code themselves

>>106334014
I'm not american so why would I care if they spy on their citizens?

>>106333981
>Security researcher Elliot Alderson found a file called badword.txt in OnePlus clipboard application, which contains a large number of Chinese phrases such as “Chairman, Vice President, Deputy Director, Associate Professor, Deputy Heads, General, Private Message, shipping, Address, email, …”. This badword.txt is duplicated in a zip file called pattern. This archive contains 7 files: – badword.txt – brackets.txt – end.txt – follow.txt – key.txt – start.txt . All these files are used in an obfuscated package which seems to be an Android library from teddymobile. TeddyMobile is a Chinese company, they worked with a lot of manufacturers including Oppo.
oh I've seen chinese did damage control on this in the meanwhile.
anyone on this planet can touch you. I trust nobody with my data, doesn't matter who they are.

>>106334019
>graphene developers
>write some real code themselves
That ship sailed when Micay went on a war against Copperhead... so the very people who created this whole project.

>>106334028
>I'm not american, but a vassal

>>106334045
>But our great chairman said it's BRICS or the US. There can't be another party!
Please come back after you've sold every chinese person a graphene phone which according to your logic would be perfect for them since it's only the US spying on them.

>>106334034
Yes, that "security researcher" lied.
>b-but you do damage control by pointing out that he lied and that this list is only used to filter clipboard syncs
Ok? So where do we go from here?
You accept every single lie, if it is made by the people who hate you, and ignore it when it gets proven wrong.
Like, there is nothing to discuss with you anymore now, correct? Because reality is not your concern.

>>106334038
>Super secure devs can't face a little criticism

>>106333981
>They had a badword filter for the clipboard syncing to avoid sensitive information to be sent over the internet. It would detect when you copied Real Life contact informations and filter those.
wait, I don't understand. what do you mean? why wouldn't you be able to send "Chairman" on the internet? why would it filter it? Or "Vice President" ? give me a concrete example where intercepting this makes sense, what if you write an email to someone and need to copy "shipping address ..." why would it trigger anything? protect you how? since you are writing an email for some company to send you some replacement battery for example for some cordless drill random example. why would it trigger anything if you copy-paste that text? protect you from that not going over internet...why? when you need it to? very weird reason you got there

>>106334064
Are you from a vassal country?

>>106334038
micay is a based schizo that invests his entire life into making the most schizophrenic paranoid privacy phone operating system

>>106334078
>Yes, that "security researcher" lied.
oh, ok then. glad you cleared it up!

>>106334064
>there are only two parties
That is a strawman. Nobody said that.
There is only one party - and then there is everyone else.
If you are either American or from a country with American military bases, you are part of the same entity. It is one combined blob with the same agenda following the same orders.

Everybody outside of that sphere is sovereign, they are their own separate entities.
BRICS isn't what you think it is.

>>106334097
>hates all other OpenSource project
>spends half of his life hating and lying about other ROMs and about the people who funded GrapheneOS
>loves Google and Apple
>HES A BASED SCHIZO, GOY
he is the opposite

>>106334128
>That is a strawman. Nobody said that.
So why did you say that if I'm not chinese and not part of the US I need to be a US vassal?

>>106334085
>i don't understand it, what do you mean? i don't know anything about the very lie i promoted!
https://www.gsmarena.com/oneplus_releases_statement_about_another_clipboard_data_accusation-news-29344.php

Reminder that if i couldn't copypast texts including Xi Jinping (which can be proven wrong by simple.... taking a Huawei phone and doing it), this doesn't affect me.

>>106334142
Because your behavior hints on it.
Are you from a country that is a US vassal?

>>106334034
but in all fairness they said this was for their chinese market and it leaked into the western version of the firmware, which could have been an honest fuckup on their part. or not. who knows

I have a suggestion
https://youtube.com/shorts/2ygEK0klMHw?si=4nIS1CZVP-_z5ZPh

>>106334153
No, and I'm not chinese. So why shouldn't I use GOS?

>>106334165
that's a Yes

>>106334148
the issue is not you couldn't, but it would trigger something sending your data to some server. nobody said you couldn't copy-paste that information.

>>106334160
>Sure the company is not trustworthy, but only in China!
The way the went about this means they are first about being untrustworthy and then trying to remove the 'bad' parts for the international market. This makes even small slip ups fatal.

>>106334170
>Chairman, I'm losing this online debate, what should I do?
>Just lie about his response, Chang.

>>106334177
No, that is something that your "security researcher" got wrong.
It was filtering syncs. That was your server request. A sync. And a badword would block that.

Reminder that this could be easily proven wrong by simply copy and pasting on a Huawei phone and watching that none of this happened.
Yet, your "security researcher" didn't do that, why?

>>106334187
it's their thing what they do in their own country, I don't really care about it. they have their system, their citizen's problem, not mine. I just care that shit doesn't leak in my part of the globe

Funny how chang couldn't find a single credible source for a vulnerability in the Titan chips but apparently knows all the details about this random word list that seemingly had no effect on him...

>>106334218
refer to >>106333554

>>106334212
Ok, so why shouldn't I use GOS? What the US does doesn't affect me

>>106334223
>>106333586
>>106333835

>>106334225
>why shouldn't i use GOS
because it is part of the largest mass surveillance apparatus on the world

>>106325276
Speak in specifics and demonstrate knowledge. Else, diaf.

>>106334237
But it doesn't affect me

>>106334236
>google firmware blobs in the Titan chips only had huge vulnerabilities multiple times in the past, they are totally fine now!
ok

Did you know that Google refused giving bug bounties for vulnerabilities found in those chips? On the second example it took months of discussions and legal threats till they decided to pay ten grand to the company that worked a year on researching them?
In the future, they will sell the vulnerabilities to foreign countries, which are paying more than ten grands.

>>106334200
maybe stop getting people to not care if their data is collected by the east? that's pretty weird

>>106334245
Then you should research the Snowden leaks

>>106334265
>Huge vulnerabilities
>Yes my sources are a talk that isn't linked anywhere and the vulnerability in a bluetooth chip that isn't the Titan M1

>>106334271
Maybe stop lying?

>>106334278
I didn't lie. how exactly do you know that retraction is not damage control? unless you are a glowie, you have no way of knowing.
quite strange innit? they're not using their brightest I see

>>106334277
>a talk that isn't linked anywhere
What does that even mean?
Here is it:
https://blog.quarkslab.com/attacking-titan-m-with-only-one-byte.html
Did you really spend your past hours seething about this, incapable of clicking on links?

>>106334292
>https://blog.quarkslab.com/attacking-titan-m-with-only-one-byte.html
That's something else entirely. Thankfully already what I mentioned >>106333412.
>Present for a few months (not a hardware backdoor)
>Patched a few months before it was publicly known
>This is the crazy backdoor for the feds
What chang is showing here is that he only trusts platforms without security updates since that, according to his logic, must mean there are no vulnerabilities. Everybody knows this is bullshit.

>>106334278
+ lying implies I knew it's not real, which isn't the case, all I remembered was the news
still weird that you care so much about it. normal people wouldn't

>>106334337
>its not lying as long as one hidden claim is true somewhere, even when 99% is false
glowfag

>>106334313
worst claim about Huawei:
>there is this blacklist.txt that does nothing
worst claim about Google Pixel:
>here is this completely separate closed source operating system on this insecure-by-design chip that runs always and that is accessible even when the OS is shut down and has a separate interface you can access by simply plugging in a debug cable and that google can flash with different software any time they want... oh, and it is storing your encryption keys

>>106334411
your translator must be misfiring. lying is when you say something which you know to be false.
again, why do you care this much? what's in it for you?

>>106334448
And you think your "security researcher" didn't know that his claim is false?
A claim that can be verified in less than 5min by simply copy-pasting something?

>>106334460
>And you think your "security researcher" didn't know that his claim is false?
how tf is that my problem? how should I know? it was news few years back, that's all I know
>A claim that can be verified in less than 5min by simply copy-pasting something?
why would I verify this claim? do you verify any news you remember? just to see if there are retractions, before you mention it?
bro do you not realize how hard you glow at this moment? normal people do not do what you are now doing. you caring so fucking much is not normal, it's sus as fuck

>>106334480
>but it wasn't me who lied, the dude i reposted lied and the media i unquestionably believe lied
GrapheneOS is for you. You should use it.
Take your vax and buy your Google Pixel.

>>106334432
>The claim I made up is way worse than this real claim about Huawei
How do you make your rice?

>>106334495
>i-its made up
https://blog.quarkslab.com/attacking-titan-m-with-only-one-byte.html

>>106334488
you got them authoritarian reflexes I see. you'd issue a fine if you could isn't it? how dares citizen say lies about party company?

>>106334509
>Oh no not the vuln that was patched MONTHS before it was publicly known

at this point I'm pretty sure this hellhole is infested with glowies from all over the planet

>>106334521
>publicly
Yes, that is the relevant word.
Imagine being able to copy all the security keys that Americans use in their critical infrastructure. I am sure nobody did that, lol.

blatant shill thread
how this wasn't deleted minutes after it was made is beyond me

>>106334534
>Yes, that is the relevant word.
Yes because it was only introduced a few months before

>>106334546
Gookmoot got paid

>>106334551
>it was only introduced a few months before
It was introduced since the first creation of the chip and vulnerable for over five years.

You see, that is the problem when you have idiotic incompetent mulattos create your firmware blobs.
Every backdoor or vulnerability they create (it's your choice if you consider it the first or second), will be discovered and used by your adversaries.
So even if you hate China and want the transexual emprire of racial replacement and buttsex to succeed, you STILL have to reject insecure glowfag products.

It is the glowfag-dilemma.
They need to stop their own employees and people to become Snowdens and surveil them, but simultaneously have to stop others from using the surveillance tools they themselves create.
If your government wouldn't hate its own people, it wouldn't have this problem.

>>106334581
>It was introduced since the first creation of the chip and vulnerable for over five years.
Wrong
We can cut your shilling short. Did huawei ever push security updates?

>>106334581
+social score

>>106334594
Huawei never had a security vulnerability as critical as the Google Titan bullshit. And they push security updates
>>106334602
There is no such thing as a social credit system in China.
You got lied to, yet again.
I can break your delusion even more: You can buy Winnie the Pooh figures on aliexpress!

>>106334641
bruh I know you not north korea but you also not the west

>>106334641
>China good
>US bad
+1 rice grain

>>106334797
Yes.

>>106334097
If he's so schizo in a good way for privacy, how come he won't implement features that take 30 minutes to implement that make the phone even more private?

>>106334875
>I'm le based becuase my heckin spy is eating rice

>>106335120
one thing I know is you do NOT demand shit from spergs like him. they do their own thing the way they see fit

>>106335318
just be a large corporation and your "based schizo" will suck your cock and spread his asshole for the big brown Google cock