Thread 106324939

Why?

> Why?
Because your father considered you a failure. And deep down you know he was right. Time to accept that bitter truth: you are a failure.

picrel

>c++
>good ecosystem
lmao. I love c++, but c'mon nigga...

>>106324939 (OP)
https://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/I_did_it_for_you_all
Applied to all of programming, except LISP, some dialects of unstructured BASIC, and FORTH and its dialects.
>>106324992
>>106325039
>t. jigaboos

>>106325248
*yawn*

>>106325283
As if he wouldn't deny it.

>>106325393
as if you're not talking out of your ass

>>106325402
Keep wasting your time with C++.

Literally all you need is C and Make.
For everything else, there's C#.
It's fucking ridiculous at this point.

>>106324939 (OP)
>C# all fields
Python isn't good at anything, it's all terrible.

>>106324939 (OP)
What's wrong with the Rust ecosystem?

>>106324939 (OP)
What's the difference between tooling and ecosystem?

>>106328024
Fragmentation
There is no cross platform math evaluation library that works with any big decimal type.

>>106324939 (OP)
wait, isn't Clojure's ecosystem just Java's ecosystem? Or am I retarded?

>>106328720
Tooling and developer experience: interaction with the compilers/interpreters, editor/IDE support, build systems, package management, debugging, docs, linters and formatters.
Ecosystem: libraries and frameworks and how open and well-maintained they are, openness of the tooling, alternative implementations, possible target platforms, learning materials.

>>106328802
Yes and no. The interop is good, but I consider Clojure's total reliance on the Java ecosystem and the level of influence that Java's dev culture had/has on Clojure to be negatives.

I still don't understand why dart was invented

>>106324939 (OP)
Clojure should be in the middle unironically

>>106330606
You now remember that Google originally had plans to replace JavaScript with Dart in browsers and it was hyped up as the JS killer.

>>106325416
C++ is for the dalit, saar.
Brahmin use java.

>>106324939 (OP)
>rust
>good language
>javascript
>good ecosystem
>dart
>good tooling

>>106324939 (OP)
>Clojure
>NOT good ecosystem
>Java
>good ecosystem
are you retarded?

>Rust
>NOT good ecosystem
are you retarded?

>C#
>NOT good ecosystem
are you retarded?

this chart is completely fucked. anyway use deps.edn, Kondo, paraedit or parinfer, and get good aat Java interop retard

>>106331073
also I would recommend checking out Elixir
the BEAM is the only virtual machine that I know of with its unique capabilities (reductions for fair allocation of compute time and complete lack of shared memory)

>>106325171
ecosystem != standard library. it's moreso the variety of libraries including C libs

>>106328024
All the infrastructure in existence is C. And Rust makes it incredibly painful to interact with any of it, due to muh safety.

>>106331211
C/C++ have the best tooling.
Rust is literally built on top of a C++ toolchain (LLVM).
>but muh "good tooling" aktually means a reinvention of npm!
Then move Python to "good tooling" as pip==cargo==npm.

>>106326647
And yet all the ml fags and blender uses it and not c#.

>>106332759
because they are not programmers, and python is made for nocoders

>>106331226
It feels like Rust only purpose is to be run on the cloud. Because it's an inherently unsafe environment which makes Rust's safety matters.
The problem being : The concept of cloud itself is shit.
Hence, Rust has no purpose and is equally shitty.

>>106324939 (OP)
be me, in the middle

>>106331226
>>106334328
rust only purpose is to hijack modern infrastructure and replace most important projects with rust clones being run by nsa trannies

>>106324939 (OP)
>C/C++
>good ecosystem
>good *anything

>>106339050
C# vibe coder detected

>>106324939 (OP)
Is there anything more beautiful?
(doseq [i (range 1 21)]
(println (cond
(zero? (mod i 15)) "FizzBuzz"
(zero? (mod i 3)) "Fizz"
(zero? (mod i 5)) "Buzz"
:else i)))

>>106332689
Pip and Npm are actual dogshit compared to Cargo though, they are only considered good because C and C++ literally don't even show up (I hope your distro has good libraries packaged, or you like playing with build-systems to get it to vendor them properly)

>>106324939 (OP)
You are retarded.
Please kill yourself.

>>106324992
Brutal but true.

>>106330722
>replace JavaScript
Oh no. Not this shit again.

Typescript is pretty close to the middle, albeit with some caveats. (e.g. it can only be called a good language when used with a strictly-configured linter).

>>106330739
True.

>>106339225
Yuck.

>>106325393
Use case for admitting something in an interview and then deny it?

>>106324939 (OP)
Curse of lisp.
Simple language encourages individualism. Shitty language nesesitates cooperation.
Coorporations naturally prefer super complicated clusterfucks that require manpower.
Many google products are like this. If they gave you the source code it would be almost usless to you

>>106340600
Use case for misconstruing what was said?

>>106324939 (OP)

i know wenn diagrams when i see a pic of one

>>106324939 (OP)
Rust's ecosystem is amazing what are you talking about.