Thread 106328215

why would anyone in their right mind PAY to torrent?

Usenet is free if you aren't an absolute fucking retard

>>106328215 (OP)
>wtf is usenet
Private cucksheds (formerly known as private trackers) but with extra steps.

>>106328215 (OP)
Long, long time ago, in the before times, before any type of modern file sharing there was usenet. It's pretty much dead now due to copyright owners poisoning the multipart archives.

>>106328239
sorry im not 60 years old and don't know the usenet ways. care to explain anyway oldfag?

>>106328215 (OP)
Free with my ISP

>>106328215 (OP)
The FMS board system on Hyphanet can be used with standard usenet clients, and because it's free, anonymous, decentralized, encrypted and censorship-resistant, it's actually a very pleasant experience. Forte Agent, XNews, etc, all the good stuff still works.

>>106328320
>care to explain anyway oldfag?
Funfact: he won't

>>106328496
>zoomers are le bad because they dont know about our secret piracy clubs!
>ok, then maybe invite us there
>lol, no
and thus, your ancient commiepedotroonware will perish, unc.

>>106328683
Not him. I hate Usenet. It's obsolete.

Any active usenet boards that you guys still use? txt, not bin.

>>106328683
>paying to pirate is like.. le zoomer filter
>incompetence rivalled only by arrogance
Why do boomers hate zoomers so much when they are literally one and the same? Or is that it?

>>106328320
>>106328683
nigger it takes 5 seconds to type usenet into google and read the wikipedia article how is an entire generation that fucking stupid?

>>106328404
How do I get on?

>>106329088
They're not stupid they just don't give a fuck and at this point I can only respect it. When some retard gives them unasked for """advice""" they don't act friendly and listen they tell them to fuck off and move on with their life.

>>106328496
>>106329088
Told you. Not even themselves know.

>>106329088
i did and i still dont get it

I don't pay but I can see why anyone with a stable salary and has no interest in private torrent tracker rules would do so.

>>106329171
Yeah I agree and it hurt quite a bit to finally acknowledge that fact.

>>106329269
>I don't pay but I can see why anyone with a stable salary and has no interest in private torrent tracker rules would do so.

i paid like $20 for half a year, and it has everything and instantly saturates my connection. no need for VPN either. should've done it sooner.

>>106329331
what exactly does it have? if its just cable tv shows and capeshit then no fuckin thanks

>>106329374
What media are you interested in?

Private trackers can be fucking retarded though. Like requiring you to seed for 48hrs or someshit even though a torrent has plenty of seederrs. If I could pay to avoid that shit I would. Usenet sucks now though

>>106329394
anything that isnt goyslop

>>106329397
all of the private trackers ive used have donation and point systems that let you bypass that

>>106329152
https://navigating-the-darkweb.readthedocs.io/en/latest/chapter4_hyphanet.html

>>106329088
https://newsgrouper.org/alt.obituaries

Dead Protocol, do not use.

More seriously, all the public facing groups are spammed or dead. It's kind of insane there is folks spamming in alt.porn or the like when there has been no posts/activity there in years (unless these public accesses just suck).

>>106328683
Inviting them there is how Nintendo shut down some of the biggest ROM sites. Zoomies do not SHUT THE FUCK UP when spoonfed piracy. I do not blame Boomers for telling you to go fuck yourself.

Zoomies are the reason Yuzu was shut down because they COULD NOT SHUT THE FUCK UP when Zelda 2 was dumped and emulated early.

Usenet has picked up in the last few years, lots of people using it to replace forums again.

>>106330208
You have an active group? The only one I've seen is alt.obituaries.

Not even alt.comp.linux has activity when I checked last month, but it might just be the "public" access ones sucking ass.

>>106330115
>OH NOES NOT MY HECKIN NINTENDO SNOY ROMS

>>106330223
rec.food.cooking never died, it's still quite busy, apple 2 group's still quite active

lots of programming groups are active too

Google Groups cutting off Usenet actually ended almost all the spam. It's quite comfy.

>>106330309
Google destroyed the dejanews archive. Fuck them.

>>106330269
>Missing the point
Zoomer, I know you skipped history class but there is a saying: Loose lips, sink ships.

It's not just video games, your movies and music? Pulled because you can't shut the fuck up and keep it on the down low.

Now don't you have school tomorrow?

>>106330309
Guess I need to look into it. Because I was looking for alt.binaries but that wasn't active (then again I haven't used private usenet access so that might be why) and the whole thing was a bit... "underwhelming" for such an old protocol. I'm sure if I went back to irc and the channels I used to haunt they'd be a shell of themselves and I'd get the same sad feeling from them.

>>106330360
They also sort of fucked up their own archives of the stuff they DO archive.

>>106329394
what about foreign language media? i.e. germany uses jewish filesharing services for piracy because they're schizos

>>106330309
>rec.food.cooking
https://newsgrouper.org/rec.food.cooking/2330659/0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVXqJCYWJ2o

i have a lot of nostalgia about newsgroups from the 1990s but i have to assume that literally everyone still using them is a 60+ year old boomer? i was a kid at the time but even then it felt like most users were OG computer nerds from the 70s and 80s

>>106330444
Can't remember how big the archive was, but it's probably torrentable in 2025. I wonder if it still exists in it's original form somehow. An insider should leak it. That would be about the only thing of any value left in that company.

>>106330506
Bad assumption. It's mostly a rom dumpster these days. Real action happens in FMS (Hyphanet) as noted above.

>>106329777
Really? Which ones you're talking about? I might regard this if I intend on joining some private tracker without the autistic procedure they require.

>>106330444
>>106330360
>>106330519
So you tell me that all usesnet's history was given to google, then google threw it when they got bored? Is there a way to search and browse usenet's archives in 2025? Or all that history was erased by google?

>>106330635
It's all on the Internet Archive as tar files and shit.

>>106330635
It was the biggest compilation of usenet content on record, with messages dating all the way back to early 80's, though these existed outside of the dejanews archive itself. They all got trashed by google over the years through the sloppiest interface possible that rendered the whole thing unsearchable. Looks like they did that on purpose.

>>106328215 (OP)
torrenting = discord
usenet = forums.

>>106330704
Back in the early 2000's Google was trying to make some neat stuff. Remember SideWiki? You could click a button in your browser and there was a comments section for EVERY WEB PAGE just waiting to go, totally unmoderated! How about that custom JS homepage with the widgets you could place? Apple more or less cloned this for their iCloud site decades later.

The problem is the people who make these things move on and then Google itself views everything as a cost center (like almost all outfits these days) so if some neat thing isn't making money and is getting harder to maintain they just kill it.

Cost center based accounting kills a lot of innovation at businesses, it's why everything's like it was in 1995 still, but in HD with better 3D graphics. The technology moved on but nobody's done anything cool since when it comes to human computer interaction.

My ISP doesn't do usenet servers anymore and Xnews is dead. I'm too autistic for change.

>>106330858
I don't particularly remember that, but I do remember that early on you could actually post to usenet itself from the google groups interface. Didn't last long due to abuse I guess.

My biggest issue with the whole debacle isn't so much that they killed it, but the fact that they did so slowly and painfully.

They should have donated (or at the very least sold) the thing to archive.org if it really wasn't making them money anymore.

>>106330858
This guy has well read copies of Mondo 2000 next to his SGI O2.

>>106331144
I have my old Indy and an Octane2 I got about a decade back. And Wired SUCKS to this day. Nothing really replaced Mondo 2000.

You got me.

>>106330992
Kind of going off on a tangent here, but Forte Agent was the better client. XNews' saving grace was early yEnc compliance (beating everything else to the punch in this regard) , which honestly I still can't believe took off the way it did; Everybody knew something like that would work, but it's so fucking ugly nobody wanted to do it.

>>106328683
Learn2lurkmoar faggot.

>>106330635
If you know the newsgroup you can add it to the end of https://groups.google.com/g/ to pull it up

>>106331176
I can always sense the presence of my people.

>>106330466
depends on the indexer you use but I've downloaded old and new-ish german content on there before

>>106328215 (OP)
it's an oldfag larp
boomers are big larpers
don't use that worthless shit full of worthless people

>>106328215 (OP)
Those aren't torrents, you dumb fuck. They function nothing like torrents, they're not shared by a swarm and are not accessed via P2P connections.

I upload to Usenet and use it as unlimited storage. It's so fucking good for this.

>>106328215 (OP)
>why would anyone in their right mind PAY to torrent?
there are always people paying to torrent, how do you think torrent trackers stay afloat, george soros donates them hosting and bandwidth? also people pay for seedboxes so your 33.6k modem can download at full speed.

good luck torrenting once everyone left in the world are stingy parasites like you

>>106331232
>Forte Agent was the better client
with few immortal peers forte agent makes the absolute hall of fame, too bad windows desktop software gets shittier and shittier and everything moves to even shittier platforms

>>106329088
bro, i tried to get into those epic advertised usenet warez scene 15 years ago, and even back then it was obscure and impossible to get in if you don't pay for it.
The newsgroup access my ISP (or any ISP for that matter) gave me had the binary groups filtered.
And even if you paid, the server you got had some retention period that only covered the most recent goyslop.
Aaaand it was filled with glowfags. Like absolutely full with feds. Because it was super simple to get the real life information of people.

Filesharing on usenet was always a scam.

>>106328215 (OP)
Downloading files over nntp is nigger tier. Binary files should never have been a thing on usenet. It's what ultimately led to it's downfall.

Your binary files are base64 encoded, which makes your transfer 33% larger for no reason.
Boomers are so fucking dumb, it's unreal. Hijacking emails to send huge binary files.

>>106334793
Retard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YEnc

>>106328215 (OP)
>PAY to torrent
It's not P2P.
It's just a file server.

>>106330309
I miss faq's every usenet group had so much, some where like proper books like
http://www.trygve.com/mfw_faq.html

People still actually use usenet as a forum and not just for piracy?

>>106335005
not really out of caps lock posters schizos that use it more like web to post their ramblings

>>106334954
>http://www.trygve.com
Weird as fuck personal web, last updated 2006 and still online? What happened to guy?

>>106335005
Why not?

>>106330858
>if some neat thing isn't making money and is getting harder to maintain they just kill it
it's even worse. i've seen 80-120M ARR projects killed because they're too small potatoes for google

>>106335076
are they some kind of cult

>>106328215 (OP)
>PAYING to pirate
Imagine paying to be 5 seconds faster. Sad!

>>106336388
i don't pirate to avoid paying, i pirate because it's the objectively moral and righteous thing to do. i'll gladly throw a few bucks to keep the infra afloat.

>>106336379
They're some kind of retarded.

>>106331362
That is no longer updated.

>>106335076
I never understood the idea of making a "Community" for a language. Like I use your language to program, not to be your buddy. I can understand the need for it in specific apps/platforms for feedback/internal discussion (like rust's core devs), but not a boarder group. Too much junk to filter through and spam of irrelvant projects.

>>106334954
Not all are dead, the alt.cyberpunk FAQ is maintained, upgraded and posted here:
https://sizeof.cat/post/cyberpunk-faq/

>>106330115
>shut down some of the biggest ROM sites
based internet archive can't be stopped

>>106330570
lmao. I bet the C user group is still alive and well too

>>106336510
It allows prolific contributors to leverage that into job opportunities. Also keeps people around using that language if they invested in the community.
Rusttrannies have just set it up in a way that only libtards can profit off it

>>106336388
>PAYING to pirate
So what? it costs about as much as a netflix or spotify subscription and it has broader coverage. Usenet is very much alive..

>>106328215 (OP)
>PAY
idk it used to be free with my aol subscription back in the 90s but then I stopped using aol

>>106330109
Yeah, I remember looking up old EverQuest posts from the official usenet group, it's been dead since like 2004 but there were still mmo gold sale spam shit actively being posted.

>>106337834
>used to be free
some isp's still offer it free, but they don't mirror binaries. they're less interesting for them cause of the volume and bandwidth usage

>>106336417
>i don't pirate to avoid paying, i pirate because it's the objectively moral and righteous thing to do.
“Thou shalt not steal.” (Exodus 20:15)

>>106338007
AKSHUALLY it's more like when jesus simply duped wine and bread

Why doesn't somebody just dump all the old usenet posts and put them on a modern website interface using normal internet?

>>106338156
Please go ahead: it is only 7.7 TB:
https://archive.org/search?query=usenet

>>106338135
Jesus didn't give away other people's bread or wine.

>>106330115
>developers please gib money for secret sauce builds teehee
Go fuck yourself you lying cunt.

>>106338211
his dupes directly impacted bread and wine merchants

>>106338289
The people who had the bread didn't have any money with them so it didn't matter. The people at the feast, who had a governor to guest, were obviously rich enough to pay for all the extra wine they needed, but the wine dealers were likely no longer arround so Jesus had to step in.

No merchants were hurt in the making of these miracles.

>>106338434
>dooood duping doesn't impact the value of goods

>>106334758
>It's what ultimately led to it's downfall.
No. The AOL flood bringing in the eternal September is what did it in.

>>106328215 (OP)
90s reddit. it's free. it's also dead.

>>106338156
that's exactly what Google did with Google Groups. at one point, they basically hijacked the entire network.

>>106340710
>90s reddit
Totally, utterly, and completely wrong. Anonymous and pseudonymous postings were the norm and virtue signalling was unknown.

>>106340522
That was never a real issue, at least not anymore than the alt thing. Ultimately it was the web that caused people to lose interest in usenet, and cp drove the final nail into the coffin.

>>106340759
Total cipherpunk remailer and ip spoofing apocalypse. Fun times.

>>106340759
nostalgic nonsense. never forget Eternal September.
also, how are you not anonymous on reddit? do you post under your real name or something?

>>106338007
Copying 1s and 0s is not stealing.

>>106330444
you seem to be suffering from terminal case ZDS
let me clarify three points to you:
1. millennials are the generation that traded forums and IRC for corporate platforms AND also the main drivers at the time of woke/DEI discourse which infected my generation and any tech literacy disadvantages seen in zoomers is because every single device is a locked down proprietary shit appliance with permalocked bootloader, with dumbed down UX for toddlers designed by commitees of millennial graphic designers and shitty nepotism hire programmers that, by using their products to abandon the open web, YOU helped support.

2. larping as le epic no-spoonfeed "oldfag" only gets you so far at life. trying to upkeep some sekrit club and tardraging at zoomers for no reason won't get you far. you need us to get out of this mess, not the other way around.

>>106337822
>PAYING to acquire free material
Lol at your life!!!

>>106330444
3. there's no third point, i think it's enough with two

>>106340809
>nostalgic nonsense.
I was rather active on Usenet News back in the day.
> never forget Eternal September.
That was the end, sure, not going to forget that. It never recovered, and Google didn't help much either.
>also, how are you not anonymous on reddit? do you post under your real name or something?
It is all about reputation and image building so they preferred real names for that, at least before I couldn't stomach the place anymore. Sure, some third rate pr0n models used pseudonyms.

>>106329088
Girls on Facebook Threads are just like this. You can make a current joke about a current event. And the girls will act like you are a nerd, because you are not making a joke about Starbucks or some shit.

>>106338007
If buying isn't owning, the pirating isn't stealing.

>>106341256
>>106341260
>Mind broken Zoomie
LMAO. Stay illiterate, honey.

>>106341915
Correct, but distributing copies without authorization is a different thing.