Thread 106338892

The next big thing to invest in, logically, is age reversal technology and research. Specially now that the AI bubble is about to pop, and it turns out it can't fix all of our medical problems.
The very first company to successfully commercialize an age reversal therapy will be worth trillions overnight. Literally everyone benefits from it, since everyone suffers from aging (duh!). That's 8+ billion potential clients and will keep growing as long as humans keep breeding.

The billionaires wish to live forever too, so it's in their own interest to invest in this technology for themselves. They'll look younger for longer and become richer, all with one investment.

Don't say nobody warned you. You don't want to miss out on becoming rich with the next big thing, do you?

Someday, a real IA Winter will come and wash all this scum off the streets.

Live much longer and you're just going to get cancer or auto-immune disease.

By the time you have the technology to make a human actually immortal, you can just digitise and shed the flesh.

>>106338972
>get cancer or auto-immune disease
You're assuming there isn't a technological fix for those issues too. Besides, just reversing your age will already significantly lower your risk of getting cancer and other aging-related diseases.
>you can just digitise and shed the flesh
You'll also die in the process, and your digital "self" will just be somebody else with your memories.
Same as giving an identical twin all your memories. That won't make the twin suddenly become you.

Uploading yourself is not a path to immortality. It's just fancy digital cloning.

>>106338892 (OP)
Why would you want to live forever in this hell hole ?

>>106338972
>by the time you have the technology to make a human actually immortal
It doesn't have to happen in one go. Just like with AI, anti-aging also has it's own exponential curve until "longevity escape velocity" is achieved.
As long as you keep taking the latest therapies, and the amount of lifespan extension keeps increasing with each new therapy, eventually you'll live long enough until one single therapy is all it takes to become immortal.

People have this very black and white, all or nothing, view of anti-aging technology. All it takes is a treatment that can extend your life by 2 years for every year of therapy.

>>106339127
Why would you want to die on this hell hole? At least live long enough to move into a Mars colony or something.

>>106338892 (OP)
I just don't see age reversal ever being anything but a niche luxury product, even if the tech is flawless and magical.
The poor, the disabled, the substance abusers, the people with no future, anyone living in an area or working in an environment with a low life expectancy etc. There's a whole hell of a lot people who'd get zero benefit in any way from suddenly going from 50 to 30.

>>106338892 (OP)
>the next big thing to invest in is another meme snake oil technology

>>106339044
>You'll also die in the process, and your digital "self" will just be somebody else with your memories.
Ship of Theseus transition will be perfectly acceptable to most. If you're still around, you can stick to dying flesh.

>>106339217
You're not being creative enough. Just think of all the poor people who can start working again and no longer need any retirement pension.
That's the capitalistic dream right there. Live longer and work from longer.

>>106339240
nah, it wont be. because like he points out, theres no actual transfer of life.
infact the people that could afford to do this type of thing, wouldnt want to, because of greed. basically you're giving away all your capital and wealth to another person that isnt going to continue your consciousness (they start new). you cuck yourself basically.

>>106339179
To go to heaven

>>106339142
>All it takes is a treatment that can extend your life by 2 years for every year of therapy.
So much starts failing around the same time, you have to fix it all. Most of it's cumulative damage too, biology is a shit. There is no magic repair gene.

age reversal is never really going to be a thing
Even david sinclair said it himself, you can basically halt aging already, but the general public, well really basically no one except bryan johnson is autistic enough to really do all the shit they you would need to do.
Unless reverse aging means a magic pill that makes you wake up the next morning looking like you were 20, which it won't be, it will jsut be meaningless fluff for most people.
Well to be fair, I guess gyms and health stuff make plenty of money despite people only getting fatter.

>>106339240
>Ship of Theseus transition
This only works with slow and gradual neuron replacement from biological to artificial. Assuming no loss of consciousness, to ensure continuity.
Any process that requires you to transfer or copy anything outside your body will result in a clone taking your place. It's not you anymore, and besides, digitizing yourself cannot be done in a Ship of Theseus way.

>>106339261
>nah, it wont be. because like he points out, theres no actual transfer of life.
People will not give a shit. Ship of Theseus transition will be acceptable to most ... just think of it as slightly more advanced neurogenesis.

>>106339268
>heaven
It doesn't exist.

>>106339300
>digitizing yourself cannot be done in a Ship of Theseus way.
It's about as plausible as reversing the cumulative damage to all the biological systems grinding down in your body.

>>106339305
>People will not give a shit.
They will once they figure out that the process is replacing them with a clone. Are you an NPC who doesn't understand the concept of consciousness?

>>106339314
>church of atheism says heaven does not exist.
But it does.

>>106339332
At what point in the transition did you become a clone? One neuron replaced? A Billion? When?

>>106338892 (OP)
>The billionaires want 8+ billion eaters to keep on hollowing out the only planet within light-years that inhabits a goldilocks zone around it's star FOREVER
You cannot possibly be this profoundly native and still possess the faculty required to browse the internet

>>106339327
Your mistake is assuming that biology isn't enough. There are many animals that can live for centuries, and some that are biologically immortal. Biology has already done it, for some animals.

We happen to have a shitty biology that breaks down in less than 100 years, but it can be fixed.
Digitizing yourself isn't even plausible considering that we can't even get an AI to behave and learn like humans do. How do you expect to run your brain on a computer if we can't even emulate a much simpler with AI?

>>106339332
This is stupid. Are you a replacement clone of yourself from yesterday? From ten minutes ago? From a second ago? You killed your baby self long ago and are just a clone.

>>106339255
You're assuming the poor people are dropping out of the work force because they're too old, rather than they're physically fucked up due to non-age related reasons like injuries, substance abuse, poor life choices etc.
Making someone 20 years younger ain't gonna do shit if they're already in dire need of a knee and liver replacement at 45.

>>106339044
>You're assuming there isn't a technological fix for those issues too.
There will be a solution for that. But it's not gonna come from selfish burgers.

>>106339359
>Implying the billionaires don't want immortal workers who cannot retire
You might be the naive one here, anon.

>>106339385
>knee and liver replacement at 45
Yes, that's generally when aging-related problems start. 45 isn't exactly young.

>>106339386
Americans are giving up on renewable technology, of course it's not coming from them.
China will probably pick it up too and cure aging first.

>>106339338
Prove it.

>>106339405
Of course, it must be due to the aging rather than the last 25 years of physical hard labor and drinking a six pack of light beer every day.
Not everyone's sitting in an office all day sipping on a vegan chai mocha latte.

>>106338972
that will be a digital copy of you not actually you

>>106339387
>>Implying the billionaires don't want immortal workers who cannot retire

There are currently 3,300 billionaires on this planet.
If you think they want 8 (it's probably ten, really...) billion workers around to do what realistically they only need 30 or so million to accomplish, then I'm afraid I'm going to have to hit you with a textbook "NO U".

>>106339455
A younger liver sure helps, but yeah, maybe stop being an alcoholic if you don't to die from cirrhosis.

>>106338972
We are body, soul and spirit. The soul is the thinking, conscious part where all your memories reside (the actual "you"). The soul communicates with the physical world through the body (which includes the brain of course) and with God through the spirit, but only after that connection has been restored at the new birth. It's also this very spirit that keeps the person alive.

You can clone the physical body, but how are you going to rewire the soul back into it? You'd be animating an "information zombie", not preserving a real person.

Assuming you have it all down in the tech department, it would be very difficult for anybody to prove the cloned person isn't the real person, so it'd probably make somebody a lot of money regardless.

>>106339379
thats a slow gradual evolution of the cells in the body, your brain still retains its conciousness through the entire process. your brain chemistry and hormones just change.

>>106339360
>There are many animals that can live for centuries
Reptiles and/or aquatic.

Humans have higher metabolism and have to deal with fags and chinks breeding new diseases non stop.

>>106339466
>Implying the billionaires can keep their luxurious lifestyle without an abundance of workers and consumers
30 million isn't enough to keep all the factories and supply chain active in the world we live in now. Everyone would have to abandon other countries and concentrate in a single small one, which would never happen.
You're also ignoring the fact that half of those 30 million will be either too young or too old to work.

>>106339510
God wants us to live on the internet, he will transfer the soul.

>>106339537
>have to deal with fags and chinks breeding new diseases non stop
Ironically the chinks have a better chance of curing aging than burgers and europoors right now.

>>106339510
>religious nonsense
meds

>>106338892 (OP)
i dont think age reversal will ever happen but anti aging stuff is quite a big field of study in recent years and lots of supplements etc look promising over the couple years ive been taking glycine, taurine, ca-akg, niacin (cheap nmn alternative not as good though) and ficetin. hopefully these slow aging a decent amount, tonnes of stuff shows promise for slow of aging which is cool, you still gotta think about dna damage are dna gets raped all day every day and it accumulates thats why so many old people get cancer our bodies are good at dna repair but not good enough our dna is too complex

>>106338892 (OP)
The AI bubble was made on purpose to crash the economy, so that the NRx losers can enact their larp.

>>106338972
>Live much longer and you're just going to get cancer or auto-immune disease.
That's why replacing your cadaver with mechanical and electronic stuff part by part as they fail will be the way to go.

>>106339127
>Why would you want to live forever in this hell hole ?
I quite like it here. It's warm and cozy.

>>106339714
You still can't replace your brain though.

>>106339733
>still

>>106339714
Maybe, but how to you plan on replacing the neurons without becoming essentially a digital clone with your own memories?

>>106338892 (OP)
>The AI slop fountain runs dry and more people see it as what it really is - a fucking scam.
> D-Dude! Bio-Hacking and Age Reversal dude! Please gib two gorillions dude!

Fuck off... kill yourself.

>>106338892 (OP)
please just give me 500 billion dollars and the bubble won't burst

>>106338972
But not before lighting incense and reciting litanies and whatever to the Omnissiah?
shoo

>>106339845
How much of your brain can you replace until you are not yourself anymore?
There is a scifi story by Stanislaw Lem about that question: "Do you exist, Mr Jones?" where a race driver has so many accidents that all his body parts are getting replaced by artificial parts until he's completely android. Because he can't pay the expenses for the replacement parts, the company producing them demands them back, which would mean disassembling him. Then at court an AI judge (because he's supposedly absolutely neutral) is in charge to solve this case.

>>106339289
>Unless reverse aging means a magic pill that makes you wake up the next morning looking like you were 20
That would be magic. If such a pill were made, it would lead to a more youthful look gradually, not instantaneously. Aging is supposed to be a consequence of permanent DNA damage, resulting in bodily functions decaying and the body trying to make up for it as it is designed to. But that only goes so far before organs start shutting down and dying.

>>106339904
Honestly, those 500 billion would be better spent on anti-aging research than more AI data centers.

>>106339379
All of the cells that make up "you" are descendents of cells that originate with your zygote. When your cells die and get replaced, they are direct descendents of your original cell. I'm not trying to say whether or not that matters, but it's what people are talking about. It's also why an organ grown from skin cells reverted to stem cells would still be a part of you, but a clone (at least how we currently know how to make clones) would merely be an identical twin.

>>106339958
>How much of your brain can you replace until you are not yourself anymore?
If the process of neuron replacement is done slowly, and only while you're aware, then you can be sure that you're still yourself after the process is done. You can prove it to yourself, but to nobody else.
If the process involves any loss of consciousness, or happens while you're asleep, then you can no longer be sure. You might have died in the process, and something else woke up with your memories.

You can Ship of Theseus your brain as long as continuity is maintained during the process.

>>106339937
Techpriests keep their brains intact.

>>106340065
So you never can be sure because you can not be sure that you were conscious all the time.

There's no life extension without THE life extender, the Lord Jesus Christ.

>>106340096
This also applies to you sleeping. Not just sleeping even, but every moment of your life.
how do you know your consciousness wasn't just cut off for a nanosecond? Damn, looks like you're actually a swampman replacement clone. RIP anon. You filthy imposter you KILLED him

>>106340096
>you can not be sure that you were conscious all the time
That's the problem of Ship of Theseus'ing your own brain. It's why keeping it biological, and reversing brain aging, is probably the better option if you want to be sure that you're still yourself.

For my own sanity, I'd prefer not having to deal with the philosophical problems.

>>106340134
Doesn't have to be just a nanosecond when you can alter memories, which you could if your brain was just stored in RAM.

>>106338892 (OP)
too much talk about AI bubble bursting soon lately. shit like that happens overnight. it makes me think it will be another year or two.

>>106340141
But that would mean that you have to manipulate your DNA to restore the telomeres.

>>106340143
>which you could if your brain was just stored in RAM
That's terrifying to be honest. Imagine a malware giving you false memories.

>>106340161
Yes, and the body already has biological mechanisms to restore the telomeres, called telomerase. The problem is that inducing it tends to give you hyper cancer.

>>106340161
>manipulate your DNA
Gene therapy is a thing.

>>106340218
>The problem is that inducing it tends to give you hyper cancer.
Yes, that's the issue with biological anti aging. Because cell aging has a reason and not having that results in cancer.

>>106340270
>Because cell aging has a reason and not having that results in cancer.
There are animals who live much longer than we do, and also tend to have lower risk of cancer. There's also a few biologically immortal species.
It's an issue specifically with OUR biology, not with biology in general. So it can definitely be fixed with enough research.

The problem then is whether you'd still be human after the changes needed to achieve biological immortality. Probably not, since your DNA might become incompatible with unmodified humans.

>>106338972
>you can just digitise and shed the flesh.
So scan your brain and kill yourself?

You cant force research into quarterly results. This is a retarded use of the market.

>>106340844
>quarterly results
With enough funding you could. It's just that there's not enough funding into medical research, so getting any results is always excruciatingly slow.

>>106340899
Research is a process that happens when someone or a group of people are bored, skilled and not lacking in things. Not when theyre constantly being pressured

>>106338972
So dumb. Digitize yourself but stay alive. Notice anything? You are not the digitized version. Killing yourself won't change that

>>106340218
you telling me I shouldn't have taken those nad+ pills?

>>106340962
It's not about pressure, it's about having the funding and equipment to do it faster than previously possible.
Just apply Activision's COD development model to research, and have a bunch of teams working on stuff all the time, so eventually there's a Constant Stream of Results™.

>>106340992
>nah, I'd rather die
said no one ever

>>106338892 (OP)
There's absolutely no technology to live longer. When your time comes, your times comes. It is written in stone.
The way to increase your health span is far outside the realm of current science, it is more spiritual than anything, and no current spiritual profession has really studied it all that well. I have some knowledge of long life spans, but it is far above your current understanding anyways, lul.

>>106340161
>you have to manipulate your DNA to restore the telomeres
"Manipulate"? We're going to rebuild our own from scratch. We'll have synthetic DNA soon.

>>106341025
The only thing left to kill in the end will be the last biological neuron to replace. Is that killing yourself? The only thing to kill first will be the first biological neuron to replace. Is that killing yourself?

You are an illusion and the ship of Theseus is good enough to maintain that illusion.

>>106341034
shouldn't have taken the hyper cancer pills, anon

imagine believing we can safely manipulate human DNA while we still can't pull off the most basic microbial abiogenesis. you retards deserve all the cancer that's coming to you.

>>106340992
Be honest. You'd not reject the therapy if you knew it would restore your body back to your 20s. Nobody would.

>>106341083
>last biological neuron to replace
He's talking about mind uploading, you moron. If you upload a copy of yourself into a computer, you'd still be alive and the copy is no longer you.

>>106341102
>Nooooooo you can't safely change existing DNA or it will give you cancer
>Noooo you have to create it from scratch or you don't understand how it works
See >>106341067

>>106341102
Cancer doesn't exist. It's just demonic possession. If you're a weak-willed nasty normgroid, you have a high chance of getting cancer. There has been a lot of beings who have lived longer than 300 years. Humans just have a lot of bad mental patterns that it stops them from living longer as it corrupts their body too harshly.
Body corruption is hard to fix as you also have to fix the mental plane.

>>106341135
>Cancer doesn't exist. It's just demonic possession
MEDS NOW!!!!!

>>106338892 (OP)
>can't figure out how to make something learn
>so we'll figure out how to reverse age in every single cell in a human body instead!
I'm sure this will be successful.

>>106341147
>SHUT IT DOWN GOYIM, TAKE OUR HARMFUL CHEMICALS
Hello shlomo

>>106341067
This comes from a retarded idea that everything in the universe is made from the same "stuff". A person who believes this nonsense will ask questions like "If we exchange our cells one by one, at what point will I become you?" and think that this is some great paradox. The truth is, your cells are your and you can't just add some foreign object to your body and pretend that it's now a part of you. It's no different than bringing an African to Germany and saying that he's a German.

>>106341155
>JUST TAKE THE RELIGION PILL, BRO
Nuh-uh

>>106341176
I'm not religious, but it's so obviously demons.

>>106341133
see what? you retards still don't know what you're dealing with. synthetic or not.

>>106341152
At least we know that biological immortality is possible, a few species are actually immortal.
Meanwhile, there's no proof that it's possible to emulate the brain on a deterministic binary computer.

>>106341189
>still don't know what you're dealing with
That's the whole point of research, you homo.

>>106341203
have fun getting giga ass cancer in the process

>>106341215
You seem to be obsessed with cancer and your mention of asses. I think you have internal parasites which are causing your faggy behavior and are causing you to potentially have cancer, you are really possessed by demons man.

>>106341195
>biological immortality is totally possible bro, you just gotta devolve back to a single celled organism and then evolve into this one specific form of jellyfish

>>106338972
>you can just digitise
Not really, no.

>>106341059
I'd rather die.

You are already immortal, you can't become nonexistent, don't worry

>>106339454
You can't prove that it doesn't exist, though.

I just get up and get on the phone really

>>106341272
>He thinks that jellyfish is the only biologically immortal animal
Lobsters are technically biologically immortal, but their shells limit their lifespan. They don't become frail and infertile with age like we do.

>>106341345
>Just prove a negative, bro

>>106341135
>Cancer doesn't exist. It's just demonic possession.
based and truth-pilled.

>>106339142
>exponential curve until "longevity escape velocity" is achieved.
lmao

>>106341957
EXPONENTIAL

>age reversal
>>>/d/

>>106338972
>you can just digitise and shed the flesh.
and it's slavery then because you're not "human"!

>>106339142
>Most of Crypto
>NFTs
>AGI
>"Anti-Aging" <<<<<<<<<<<<< You're here.

Congratulations for being assfucked by the same rich people over and over again.
Here's the truth bomb - you can't do jack fucking shit to completely stop or lol reverse aging without figuring out how to beat Hayflick limit. The only known cells in human body that are doing it are very specific kinds of stem cells and literally cancer cells. Are you really going to give yourself omega cancer because Sam Altman told you so?

>>106343116
yeah man give me that omega cancer i'd rather live forever with omega cancer than die

>>106338972
>digitise and shed the flesh.
A copy of me isn't me. That's no good. I don't wnat another me out there forever, I want me me out there forever. Fucking shit up.

>>106339719
Life is better alive. We have donuts. No donuts in death, that's for sure.

>>106338892 (OP)
if i shoot myself in the head right now, i'll never have to deal with aging
this problem is already solved

>>106338892 (OP)
Hmmm... where have I seen this before?

>>106339268
That blasphemous AI abomination says more about your than your wet fart of a post.

>>106343274
"Immortal" brain will not save your ass from total failure of multiple organs... and death. I suppose multifaggotrillionaires will be able to afford 24/7 Chemo- and Radiotherapy, but it's also slowly killing healthy cells, lol.

>>106338892 (OP)
Immortality doesn't exist. It is a massive cope by people who can't wrestle with their own mortality. Everything you know and care for will be gone at some point. Including yourself. You can't win against entropy.

>>106339466
If 10b people get killed or enslaved by 3k billionaires then humans must be even stupider than I thought.

>>106338972
>go digital
>you need to work and to pay a subscriptions
>you stop paying because the prices of the subscriptions keep rising, you get send to digital Hell/ work mines until the Sun burn out

such a great deal, if there's a Soul/Conscience you as a "Digital" ghost is just a copy-pasta, the real (you) will die