Thread 106346706

So don't fall into the bluff of retards who claim PC parts used to be less expensive 15 or 20 years ago. Even veteran programmers call that claim bs.

>>106346706 (OP)
Try 2011

>>106346706 (OP)
>prebuilt
>alienware
rage bait thread

The PC I got and wanted in 2018 cost 1500 dollars

>>106346706 (OP)

some men like 50k things some like 3k5 things i have acquired few 1k7 things

>>106346706 (OP)
My ideal PC in 2013 cost me 500 euros.
Core 2 quad Q9**** (forgot the rest, it was one of the highest models) + gtx 280, it basically ran every game I ever wanted to play back then and only planet side 2 and warframe made me upgrade the GPU to a gtx 760.

>>106346706 (OP)
My ideal PC in 2013 cost me 500 euros.
Core 2 quad Q9**** (forgot the rest, it was one of the highest models) + gtx 280, it basically ran every game I ever wanted to play back then and only planet side 2 and warframe made me upgrade the GPU to a gtx 760.
Insane PC configs always existed, they just weren't necessary back then.

>>106346811
>>106346828
KurobaEx showed me my first post failed and it goes through anyway lol

>>106346706 (OP)
Ok, bloomberg intern.

I've quit gaming since then and only need onboard graphics now, so I'm good.

>>106346828
I am surprised you even managed to find a C2Q in 2013, unless you mean used.

>>106346706 (OP)
PCs were more expensive in the 90s/early 2000 yes, but lets not pretend the crypto/ai bullshit didn't increase the price of GPUs by a gorillion. PCs today would be much cheaper than in the past if not for crypto/ai.

>>106346774
Problem, chud?
>>106346810
What is 1k7?
>>106346706 (OP)
Use case for dedicated GPU if one is not a gamer monkey?

>>106346785
people in the past accepted mid range zoomers now think a PC is total shit if it doesn't have a 5090

>>106346706 (OP)
15 years ago you could build a high-end PC with top of the line CPU and GPU for $1500.

>>106347066
Not sure I would say a 8700k + 1080ti was midrange back then but w/e

>>106347052
>What is 1k7?
autistic electrical engineer notation for 1.7k, or 1700.

>>106347066

yes but gt730 with four hdmi

>>106346706 (OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Dragon
https://news.asbis.com/news/suppliers/amd-dragon/
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-x4-955,2278.html

>>106346721
Sandybridge was the peak of computing. Even now it's still enough.

>>106346706 (OP)
That’s with everything, stop believing in twitter nonsense.

>>106346706 (OP)
I can't even read the magazine in this image, you couldn't just download it from Twitter and posted here with the same caption it had on twitter? You had to just take a screenshot of the entire website, not even bother to crop it, and post that here instead?

>>106346706 (OP)
Chinese slave labor brought the prices down in the mid 2010s

>Can get an internet browsing shitbox/top for $150 (or $60 refurbished) that runs buttery smooth with a lightweight Linux distro+DE+WM.
>Average retard instead spends $1k+ for a browser + email machine
>OR they "cheap out" and get a $500 browser + email machine that runs like shit due to Win11 bloat
Computers ARE super cheap nowadays, BUT people are also retarded sheep who can be easily tricked into spending 10x the amount they need on something.

>>106348019
>underage jeet has an opinion about computing use

>>106346706 (OP)
I heard that dude dropped the n-word casually at microsoft an people just let him

>>106348521
>iToddler consoomer attempting to justify their $1500 MacBook purchase
lol

My dad spent around $500 on 16 MB of ram in the early 90s.

yes, being in the bleeding edge has always been expensive

midrange also being almost as expensive was, however, not the norm

>>106348687
>underage poorfag dalit

>>106346706 (OP)
>prebuilt
opinion discarded

>>106347743
why doesn't the current chinese slave labour bring down the prices?

>>106347052
>Use case for dedicated GPU if one is not a gamer monkey?
There are many, many professional programs that use GPUs instead of CPUs
Anything that does 3d rendering, AI, data analytics, physics simulations, etc, can technically be done with CPUs, but will be 10 times faster and smoother with an Nvidia GPU. (because CUDA)

>>106346706 (OP)
Yeah it’s market segmentation. Remember that the next time you feel the need to post inane questions like “why does nvidia cuck their gaymen cards with low memory”

>>106347139
Sure, the 1080ti wasn't midrange but the separation of consumer and professional cards actually existed and it was the beginning of the enthusiest tier with the next card after it being $1000 and with inflation the same price of a 5080 today.

Now the gap has been bridged with prosumer cards and the 80 series basically became the X/90 series and the 90 series has become the bridge to professional cards with the Pro 4500, 5000, and 6000 following it.

Prices right now I personally think are insane, but so is the technology so it's kind of expected. I find it really weird how even on a place like /g/ people cannot grasp/fathom the amount of insane tech it is to have real time lighting rendering.

>>106348834
We had market segmentation, the problem now is that all of these GPUs are trash and too expensive for what they offer. Now we have the upsell strategy.

>>106346706 (OP)
>plus monitor
>plus 5.1 audio
>plus joystick'
>plus mouse
>plus keybard

>>106346706 (OP)
>speeds and feeds
heh heh heh

>$3500
that would buy you a full year of state tuition back then, so your point kinda sucks tbdesu

>>106346706 (OP)
we have reached a plateau in the pc market and a usable and even desirable pc has never been cheaper. as long as you are not trying to play the latest game even a decade old pc works great, as long as you are using linux, bsd, haiku, basically anything but windows.

>>106346706 (OP)
>15 or 20 years ago
15 is about the time AM3+ and Sandy Bridge were out. 2010-2018 was THE peak for budget computing, when something competitive could've been built for $400 and then upgraded to that $2000 system. From Celeron to i7, from 200GE to R7 3700X. Noweadays, low-end is non-existent thanks to the covid cooldown and now the AI boom. No one wants to compete for pennies anymore.

>>106346706 (OP)
>>106348928
This is the last remotely free era in computing, not free in the sense of it costing nothing, but getting hardware cheap and having it be good enough for a a while. Trump was brought in to take that away from the average American, because big tech and energy oligarchs don't want people to detach from the big brother/subscription model computing pipeline. All the used enterprise hardware that would have gone into secondary market will be shipped to China just so they can throw a tariff on it and make Americans buy bottom barrel e-waste with embedded RAM and no expandability and backdoored hardware/OS that break after Windows update.

>>106347139
And you can't compare a 1080ti to a 4090/5090. You look at something like a 5070ti/5080+9800x3d/285k and suddenly things aren't so bad.

The PC you wanted didn't always even exist.

>>106349048
Had CRTs back then so you could play at lower resolution just fine. Run 2xAA if needed.

>>106349018
>All the used enterprise hardware that would have gone into secondary market will be shipped to China
I don't believe you. I accept that they are going to push locked down computers in the style of cell phones or televisions to your average person but the used market is always going to exist. There are all types of companies large and small that replace their machines every so many years and ebay and the like will continue to be flooded with them and free software will continue to exist that will power those machines.
The powers that be are not able nor are they willing to exercise complete control. Being able to get 90% or more of the normalfags is sufficient and the cheapest way to do things.
As long as you embrace the fringe and are willing to put in a bit of effort things will work out. You may be shift posting on a BBS like 1980 instead of the internet as it is/was but that is fine, we will adapt.

>>106346810

Now this is some quality autism.

>>106346785
This but in 2015. I'm literally still using the same PC even though I could afford to buy a new one.

>>106349057
This seems insane and wrong. I played W3 on a 4770k/780 a handful of years ago and that easily pushed 60+fps on high settings. This must be some hairworks fuckery.

>>106350304
Nah hairworks is off they just did the benchmark in a really heavy spot.

>>106348788
Because the jews won't let China and Taiwan work together.
The chart lines of pricing going down from Apple's first ipod to the very last turned out to be a bad thing. And that's with the number of features/specs improvement going up as well.
Bad for wall street.

The pc building sweetspot year is from 2009( post financial crisis) -2015(ethereum went live)

>>106346841
Did someone finally fix it? Mine won't load the new captchas and I have to open the thread in a browser.

>>106347066
That's called marketing timmy. People fall victim to it's lies. The biggest marketing lie is that you need a high end card to use a 4K monitor.
The second biggest lie is that anything below 120hz is shit.

>>106346706 (OP)
I built an ideal PC with i5 4670k and a gtx 780 and it was just over £1k.
Just a GPU of that caliber (in todays performance) would cost that much today. Even accounting for inflation shit is completely fucked

>>106351429
A 5080 is offering you way more performance than a 780 could ever dream of on launch and will actually be usable far into the future unlike that 3gb piece of shit

>>106346706 (OP)
Ok. Now show me one from 2016.

>>106346706 (OP)
yeah but no
bullshit

>>106346706 (OP)
Someone please pull up the parts list from old /pcbg/ where it clearly shows that you could build a state of the art PC that would SPANK any console for less than a thousand bucks.

>>106351661
>spending 900 to spank someone spending 450

>>106351667
>PSN / Xbox live fees VS FREE ONLINE
>60 bucks full price games VS STEAM SALE
>Last gen tech VS STATE OF THE ART
>Bing bing wahoo only VS DO EVERYTHING MACHINE
moron

>>106351702
>paying to not have to deal with cheaters
>ps5 also has sales
>irrelevant since you both play the same games
>ps5 also has netflix, youtube, spotify.. etc

>>106351727
>moving the goalpost to ps5
who the fuck is talking about current day, I was explicitly talking about 10 to 20 years ago
double plus moron times nigger

>>106346706 (OP)
You could always spend massive amounts on a PC.
But basic/middling PC prices have changed wildly over the past decade.

>>106351754
if you were talking about 20 years ago then why did you mention having to pay for PSN? You didnt with the PS3
retard

>>106346811
Same. The only way I would've spent that much would be if I wanted to basically make a home server pre-built from Apple.

>>106349057
SLI was really underrated by /g/ back in the day.
All you really had to do to make it great was keep your 1% lows above 60fps on a 60hz monitor.
Even before "1% lows" was even in the vernacular people who knew understood you just had to keep the "microstutters" above your monitor refresh rate and the input lag couldn't spike beyond 16.6 ms.

>>106346706 (OP)
>only 3500
Not anymore

Blackwell, 8000€ + Threadripper, 5000€

or DGX Spark, 6000€

>>106346706 (OP)
Try years before bitcoin get popular

>>106350304
I think as well in W3 the difference between high and the ultra settings they used in this test is larger than the differences between low -> medium, medium -> high. They said they built it with the highest settings (ultra) playable only on the next generation of hardware. I assume that gives it more staying power.

>>106351792
SLI was always delusional cope by the people dumb enough to actually waste money on the most inefficient method to increase fps in human history. It was never good, ever, it was always a buggy, stuttering mess.

>>106346706 (OP)
I would happily pay $10,000-20,000 for a PC that doesnt spy on me and has all the app variety and functionality of windows, and security and speed of linux.

This is never going to happen.

We are forced to accept slop because africans cant buy expensive computers, so all computers are cheap, have region-locked pricing, and use spying and scams to make up the shortfall in revenue.

>>106353296
real SLI in the 3dfx days was legit but that predates /g/

>>106348812
>Anything that does 3d rendering, AI, data analytics, physics simulations, etc, can technically be done with CPUs, but will be 10 times faster and smoother with an Nvidia GPU. (because CUDA)
also help with video and photo editing. using lightroom, photoshop, or something like davinci or aftereffects on a system without gpu acceleration is absolute cancer. but if its a freetard who only has access to the gimp, not like they'd know any better kek

>>106349156
Used locked down computers will be worthless in the future because MS will implement worse drm with their partners and neo-obsolescence will put a time limit on how long you can install the "newest" version of Windows for, they won't put up with holdouts (W7/10...) in the future because browser developer's/cloudflare are already starting to block/produce phony errors old OSs. Are you aware of the CAL model used for server versions of Windows? That's what they'll use as a foundation, except the licensing terms will be time based rather than x number of devices, or one unique machine as with oem licensing. Even a retail version of Windows will be worthless if they go with prebuilt restrictions, i.e. Intel/Apple blacklisting CPUs/refusing to boot with any recycled/salvaged components that haven't been "authorized" for repairs.

>>106346706 (OP)
Sneeds Speeds and feeds(formerly chucks)

>>106346706 (OP)
Boomers are a mistake corrected by the inevitability of death

>>106346706 (OP)
The real issue is that people do not understand inflation of the money supply.

>>106351404
4K is a lie too.

>>106346774
Formerly Chuck's

>>106355198
4K is inherently better for larger screens, especially if you're going to be close to it. it does seem out of reach somehow still though.

>>106355223
No it isn't lmao.
>use way more power
>lowers the GPU's performance
>any content below 1080p looks atrocious
>GUI elements must be upscaled or they look too tiny, effectively nullifying most of the extra space gains
>stuff like closeups are edited to have less details because they look gross on 4K otherwise
4K is a much higher resolution than the projections used on cinema until recently. Nobody every went to the cinema and thought "this resolution is too low" it just isn't a necessary resolution for consumers.
>"b-but I can see the individual pixels on 1080p!"
No you don't. This is the exact same bullshit as when phones with giant screens became commonplace: suddenly everyone had cybernetic eyes and could tell individual pixels on 1080p phone screens (they didn't. All real world testing showed that users couldn't tell the difference between resolutions which is why YouTube, TikTok and Instagram Reels all default to 720p and lower video and nobody notices) and suddenly everyone had gigantic hands and big screens were more comfortable than regular ones.

It's all marketing. 4K sucks ass.

>>106355277
yeah 4K has a ways to go, but a 4090 can run most games at 4K easily. and they look good. you forgot that part.

>too many details
oh maybe you're trolling

>>106346706 (OP)
>OP image
BULLSHIT: I absolutely know for a fact that there were years where you could spec a really good PC for about 1k USD, and a decent gaming PC for 800~ USD.

fucker cannot gaslight us who actually lived through this shit.

>>106355302
Why would I want to run something at 4K 60 fps with some details in high instead of running it with max settings on 1080p? There isn't any scenario in which 4K is better than 1080p.

>>106355277
>>106355302
1440p remains supreme, 4K is a joke. Once you taste high refresh rate/high frames, going back is an absolute downgrade no matter the resolution.
It's a crying shame that going forward we'll have nothing but upscaled AI graphics to drive high frames at 4K instead of better optimisation/GPU performance. Everything has hit a fucking ceiling

>>106351727
>>paying to not have to deal with cheaters
Unc-sama... I...

>>106355371
>>106355400
what game would you get 60fps on other than Cyberpunk?

>>106346706 (OP)
That's complete horseshit, computer parts dropped dramatically in price during the aughts and the 10's, due to multiple pushes to get a PC in every home by the government and major OEMs. The price of GPUs has gotten to the point of absurdity, we never recovered from the floods that skyrocketed HDD prices and SSDs, despite being mature technology manufactured en masse are still dumb fuck expensive. Don't try to bullshit people with ads from the 80's and 90's when personal computers were new tech and priced accordingly.

>PC you actually want
Doing a lot of work since it is so ambiguous.
Geforce 2 Ultra cost $499 +$900 inflation adjusted.
Intel Pentium III 1133 $990 MSRP almost $2k inflation adjusted.
If it means the absolute top kit recently released then it's accurate that it was never that affordable.

>>106348860
I would agree with the insane pricing if the performance matched it. Yet they still insist on fucking us with only 16GB vram. Rasterization hasn't improved as much as you think. It's why they use dlss fake frames for everything to make it seem faster, when the real fps is essentially half of what they show.
Cards have become power hungry with smaller performance gains and the reason is simply nvidia doesn't care about gamers anymore.

Nvidia is huge because of ai. They now serve enterprise customers. Thats how they make money, not from gamers. Also enterprise customers are willing to spend more money for the same product. example of this is intel xeon cpus who are basically the same as consumer ones but with ecc support, but cost way more.

>>106346706 (OP)
The thing is that software producers were less retarded and realized that majority of computers users will not buy the overly expensive gaming/workstation pc and instead will choose the bare bone, grey box, eventually adding few cheaper upgrades and expansions.

The computer you wanted was expensive. but the computer you actually could reasonably use was much cheaper because software was better optimized.

>>106355598
[Cont.] There's also point to be made about "most expensive" computers then being not what people associate with "most expensive" nowadays. Cost of gaming setup was absolutely nothing in comparison to miniature, business-oriented laptops that absolutely shat themselves if you tried to open anything beyond a spread sheet and email client.

>>106355430
What?

>>106355561
To be fair we've practically reached the limit with lithography. Die shrinking tunnel vision won't improve raster performance anymore, we'll stagnate for some years at least until there's some new breakthrough.