Thread 106354592

If you make a perfect transcription of your memory and leave it on GitHub so that in a few INF years' time a technology can reconstruct your consciousness, that consciousness will not be you or a continuation of you.

If you make a perfect digital copy, the same thing will happen.

Passable wormholes,
Closed temporal curves,
Black holes and extreme gravity effects,
Parallel universes,

If you are pulled from some other hypothetical moment in some other place, whether from another time or another universe, it would also not be a continuation of your consciousness; you remain dead.

Do not trust the future. Once dead, dead forever.

>>106354592 (OP)
you are a copy of yourself each planck second. slightly different each time.
the important difference that you fail to account for in your deep ponderings is that each planck-second your old you gets completely destroyed and your new you continues experiencing.
when you run the "muh cloning" thought experiment you constantly confuse yourself by the other version that exists along the new one.
the answer is banal, make sure no other version exists at the same time, but a single active instance of you, and all is fine as far as your issues are concerned.
this though experiment always filters the chimp who proceeds to bsod. that is why brainlets should leave the thinking to pros
>Once dead, dead forever.
yeah like the people going through this surgery procedure isn't it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_hypothermic_circulatory_arrest
>Reducing body temperature extends the time interval that such stoppage can be survived.[2] At a brain temperature of 14 °C, blood circulation can be safely stopped for 30 to 40 minutes.

I wish I was dead.

>>106354650
you just have to be patient

>>106354620
>the answer is banal, make sure no other version exists at the same time,
You used too many characters to be frivolous.

Yes. Regarding the method you described, which I imagine has something to do with freezing the body, I do think that this is the most realistic option. However, in practice, even if we one day advance to the point of being able to thaw perfectly and maintain 100% functional consciousness, keeping the body safe during all that time is something surreal for many different reasons, all of which boil down to human error.

Not to mention that this is an option that, at least currently, is only minimally possible to put into practice by very wealthy people.

You are your zygote, not a twin, clone, or copy of it, but the original lineage.

>>106354708
you completely failed to understand the point, which is why I said thinking should be left for the pros, brainlets shouldn't demand understanding such complicated ideas.
the point is that freezing is fucking retarded, it's fighting to maintain a structure instead of saving its data and rebuilding it later when you need it.
the whole point is that (You) manifest out of the structure which enables it to. that's all there is to it.

>>106354841
>the point is that freezing is fucking retarded, it's fighting to maintain a structure instead of saving its data and rebuilding it later when you need it.

II have no interest in discussing the information stored in the brain, but rather the continuity of consciousness.; that should have been obvious in the part that says, “If you make a perfect digital copy...”

The post never suggested that it is impossible for a copy of your data to be in the future, but rather the continuity of your you.

I don't understand the difficulty in understanding that if you were pulled into the future, you who are here would not see that, but rather a you from another continuity.

Let me be even clearer; I would rather lose 50% of my memory, of your precious “DATA,” and keep my remaining consciousness than have a copy of myself that I will never see.

>>106354592 (OP)
Okay but can I then install Debian into the brain?

>>106354841
OK, if you still don't understand, I give up:

YOUR BRAIN WORKS ON RAM MEMORY.
WHEN YOU TURN IT OFF, YOU LOSE EVERYTHING.
YOU WANT TO SAVE THE STATE OF THE RAM MEMORY ON THE HARD DRIVE.
WHEN YOU RESTORE IT, THE ORIGINAL CONTINUITY IS LOST, EVEN THOUGH THE PHYSICAL STATE IS PERFECTLY INTACT.
YOUR NEW SELF WILL THINK YOU ARE YOU, YOUR OLD SELF IS DEAD.

>>106354960
The you who died when the computer turned off will never see the boot again, but a copy of him will, yes.

>>106354592 (OP)
None of that shit is real. Also reincarnation and afterlives are not real. The body is a vessel for consciousness and once the body is gone so is the consciousness associated with it, FOREVER. Nobody will judge you and you aren't going anywhere after, you simply cease to exist. They can create unlimited humans on the other hand so life will never stop existing here on earth. The creation is eternal and the creator can experience himself eternally, you are not on the other hand.

>>106354960
This is difficult to understand because... it's not worth learning. In practice, it changes absolutely nothing.

Fictional teleportation machines work by dematerializing an object (destroying it, killing it), transforming it into a form of energy that contains information about its structure, and using that information to recreate it in another location.

Yes, the person who was killed... remains dead. Now we have a perfect clone of her body. It thinks like her, has her memories, DNA, etc. But it's not her, it's a clone. But let's just call her “her” and not “a clone.” Why? Because it's easier, because it works, and because it makes no difference (unless there is an error in which the machine forgot to destroy the original object, as suggested by >>106354708).

Derek Parfit (1940-2017) on Reasons and Persons stated that personal identity is not fundamental; what matters is psychological continuity and connection of memories, not a physical or absolute “I.”

David Hume (1711-1776): The self is a fable constructed by the mind. There is no persistent “I,” only a collection of connected perceptions.

>>106355497
>suggested by >>106354620
Fix'd

>it changes absolutely nothing
For the living, I mean.
As for the dead... they remain dead. But who cares? The dead don't care.

>>106354592 (OP)
I don't want to live in this world anymore. It's evil and difficult. I'm not cut out for this.

>>106354592 (OP)
Not my problem honestly.

>>106355166
Birth and sleep prove nothing can be unless you are.

>>106354922
>but rather the continuity of consciousness
yes because amnesiacs are completely new people they actually died. holy shit I will repeat it once again, leave the thinking to the pros or you will end up damaging your brain. no joke. there's no way a brainlet doesn't get to the wrong conclusion with such complicated topics.

>>106355008
what does that even mean moron? if I tell you you are a copy of yourself would you just accept that? lol. who even is in there? someone "new"? who is this new someone? where does it come from, and why doesn't he feel he's "new". chimps cannot possibly understand this, stop trying. you'll fuck up on the conclusions.
there is no rule that you MUST understand it. most can't, just because you cannot understand it doesn't mean it's not real. it just mean you a brainlet

>>106355614
>>106355622
Why is it so hard for you to express yourself clearly? Just make one post to be clear and technical, leave another for insults and jokes, so it's easier to understand.

You are not using American English, British English or African English.
What kind of English is this? Where did you learn to write this way? From monkeys?

Sorry, english is not my first language.

>>106355622
Your post has already been answered in >>106355497

fine with me if your total consensus after discussion is "does not have greater continuity than a purportedly fictional fairy"