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Anonymous No.106354748 >>106354818 >>106355183 >>106355261 >>106355336 >>106355907 >>106355914 >>106356005 >>106356065 >>106356149 >>106357396 >>106357872 >>106357982 >>106358639 >>106359643 >>106359652 >>106361303 >>106361325 >>106363395 >>106363574 >>106364108 >>106368085 >>106368574 >>106370701
>net neutrality failed
>the world didnt end
why was there so much fearmongering?
Anonymous No.106354803 >>106368398
Because as usual it was just leftists trying to regulate shit to death. They should have been focused on the real problem, big tech monopolies.
Anonymous No.106354818 >>106355183 >>106355200 >>106364638
>>106354748 (OP)
Like most things you see a fuss being raised over in the media, net neutrality was a trojan horse to try to give sweeping regulatory control of the internet over to the government. Thankfully it failed at the time, but it really only delayed things a little.
Anonymous No.106355183 >>106355200 >>106359407 >>106364538 >>106368080
>>106354748 (OP)
Because American ISPs didn't actually do anything once it was repealed which is weird. Why did they waste millions lobbying to remove it?
>>106354818
>regulatory control by the government
>"ISPs cannot throttle data based on source"
You believed the ISP propaganda lmao.
Anonymous No.106355200 >>106355350 >>106367665
>>106355183
>>106354818
part of the "repeal net neutrality" thing was they wanted to forbid state and local governments from having their own rules. it was federal overreach
traily !!zLGKB/yRaFq No.106355261
>>106354748 (OP)
>why was there so much fearmongering?
The movement to stop the repeal of net neutrality was spearheaded by powerful corporations with ulterior motives. Their campaign failed, net neutrality came to an end, and business went on as usual, as if nothing had happened. And many of the consumers swept up in the political movement never came to the realization that they were lied to and wrong about everything.

Makes you think.
Anonymous No.106355336
>>106354748 (OP)
you're living under a fucking rock if you think things haven't gotten worse
Anonymous No.106355349 >>106355393 >>106355425 >>106355863 >>106356087 >>106368586
>Net neutrality ended
>Tier 1 ISP's started censoring websites
Seems like it did exactly what they wanted it to
Anonymous No.106355350 >>106357938
>>106355200
>muh states' rights
you can fuck off with that bullshit argument: if the mandate was to enforce minimums for public benefit then arguing against it is arguing against making things better.
Anonymous No.106355373 >>106355425 >>106355933 >>106358718
what's the point when the whole normie web experience is only like 5-10 different corpo web sites
Anonymous No.106355393 >>106355406
>>106355349
yeah retards will go on about how nothing happened because they don't feel it yet
they will boil the frog
Anonymous No.106355406
>>106355393
pretty sure the water is bubbling in the britbong pot.
Anonymous No.106355425 >>106358718
>>106355349
This had nothing to do with net neutrality and everything to do with banks. Net neutrality fearmongering was this >>106355373 where ISPs would charge for different traffic. They've always blocked certain web domains, with or without net neutrality.
Anonymous No.106355457 >>106355933
Google was in support of net neutrality.
That was reason enough to be against it.
Anonymous No.106355863 >>106358743
>>106355349
>Tier 1 ISP's started censoring websites
...in a state that still had net neutrality
Anonymous No.106355896
instead of ISPs censoring websites we have this faggot doing it instead

4chan captcha brought to you by cloudflare btw
Anonymous No.106355907 >>106355910 >>106355950
>>106354748 (OP)
IDK ask Null
Anonymous No.106355910
>>106355907
who?
Anonymous No.106355914 >>106358343 >>106361915
>>106354748 (OP)
The whole net neutrality thing was actually retarded.
Some traffic actually SHOULD have higher priority, and some should have lower priority.

For example, streaming: requires moderately high bandwidth, but isn't latency sensitive. It doesn't matter if a big chunk of bandwidth comes in a bit late as long as you're overall getting a lot; you'll just be loading from buffer and you won't experience much difference.
For an example at the other end of the spectrum, gaming: generally has very low bandwidth requirements, especially the deterministic lockstep networking model, but extremely sensitive to latency (especially DLN where the entire simulation will perceptibly stutter if one player has even moderately high latency).

Under net neutrality, both of these forms of traffic get equal priority, so streaming traffic can bury and delay gaming traffic. Without net neutrality, you're free to make sure the high priority gaming packets go through first (delivering a good gaming experience) without negatively impacting the streaming (since they don't take up much bandwidth, and even if they did, streaming just isn't negatively impacted by lower speeds because of the buffer).

Not having net neutrality means you can sort traffic sensibly. Net neutrality stops you from doing this. It's a good thing net neutrality failed, it would have been fucking RETARDED.
Anonymous No.106355933
>>106355457
>>106355373
The fear was that people would have to pay more for accessing normie streaming services.
So Google would be the most affected, who currently build a datacenter somewhere to a good backbone connection and dump their shit into it, while ordinary ISPs have to cover the costs of building the infrastructure to the plebs.
Google reverted this, through immense propaganda, and got normies to believe that ISPs would make them pay more for ordinary websites, who don't cause much traffic at all.

And all the fears about censorship were fake as well.
An ISP can already shut down and blackhole anything they dislike. And they do it. Net neutrality isn't stopping them from doing so.
Meanwhile the UK and the EU have net neutrality, and they are leading the charge for censorship.

It was a red herring.
Anonymous No.106355950
>>106355907
Hurricane Electric, which blackholed kiwifarms, is subject to net neutrality as enforced by the State of New York, because it does do business with the state.

Why did net neutrality not work?
Anonymous No.106356005
>>106354748 (OP)
You have Cloudflare now, you don't need more
Anonymous No.106356065 >>106356105
>>106354748 (OP)
Make it one truck, that takes all lines of the whole road and is labeled cloudflare, and it is pushing a little car off the road
Anonymous No.106356087 >>106358743
>>106355349
giwtwm
Anonymous No.106356088 >>106356268 >>106358317
I still don't know what net neutrality is
Anonymous No.106356105
>>106356065
The cloudflare truck is the jeet up ahead causing that traffic with a fatal illegal u-turn accident.
Anonymous No.106356141 >>106356162
ah yes, fox news, the biggest and most watched channel with multiple insiders in the federal government and white house is the little truck, even the pentagon is headed by a former fox news host
right wingers are delusional
Anonymous No.106356149
>>106354748 (OP)
>why was there so much fearmongering?
ISPs were openly planning to sell what amounted to fragmented internet plans, where you might have to pay extra to access specific sites or servives. This caused people to freak the fuck out, because if I'm already paying you for internet access, it makes no sense to then also have to pay you to use that access for specific sites. This caused people to freak the fuck out, because it was an obvious attempt to raise prices without actually offering anything for the new increased prices and probably would've properly fucked the internet up for most people. This was abandoned because it was so unpopular.

Then, later, corporate propagandists decided to pretend that the problem was actually that big companies could pay more for faster distribution and that this would give them an edge over smaller ones. This was already happening (consider CDNs) and was essentially off topic to the original concern of an artificially fragmented internet. For some reason, this version of the problem caught on in the boomer psyche, which is how you get images like the OP image which pretend that poor oppressed Fox News would end up in the internet "slow lane".

I would expect the fragmented internet idea to return as soon as it is politically viable, probably once online censorship strengthens enough to keep people from organizing effectively against it.
Anonymous No.106356162 >>106356408
>>106356141
The real delusion is believing that any of the networks are meaningfully different from eachother. Really the only difference is if you'd rather have your global military empire propaganda wrapped in a gay flag, or an American flag. It doesn't actually change what is inside, sort of the same way you might wrap a pill in cheese to get a dog to eat it.
Anonymous No.106356268
>>106356088
Anonymous No.106356408 >>106357952
>>106356162
>global military empire propaganda wrapped in a gay flag, or an American flag
They're the same flag.
Anonymous No.106357396 >>106361166 >>106365924
>>106354748 (OP)
Remove your kidney. You won't die immediately so you'll be fine later too.
Anonymous No.106357872
>>106354748 (OP)
It was online service providers trying to do a power grab. They still need to deregulate the shit out of landline ISPs.
Anonymous No.106357926
they like to name things funnilly like the patriot act was anything but
Anonymous No.106357938 >>106358706 >>106367665
>>106355350
States actually have rights and there's not shit the FCC can do about it. The federal government issues orders they know are unenforceable all the time.
Anonymous No.106357952
>>106356408
I'm not disagreeing in principle, but I do disagree in presentation. A lot of people are very stupid and believe the "sides" matter, and will consume information sources only from the one they perceive themselves as agreeing with. This is why you need one network that has an ugly lesbian hosting shows, who cries about bathroom bills or racism or whatever other nonsense to scare dumb people in between arguing for infinite funding for Israel and Ukraine forever, and a second network full of elderly Jewish men, backed up by Chriatian zionists who cry about campus anti-semitism to scare dumb people in between arguing for infinite funding for Israel and Ukraine forever.

The purpose is the illusion of choice and the illusion of debate, by presenting things which are only superficially different.
Anonymous No.106357979
if the jews on capitol hill want to pass something you best believe its not in the public interest
Anonymous No.106357982
>>106354748 (OP)
The internet was already well on the way to being dead. Non mainstream sites had already become so irrelevant that ISPs had no motivation to change anything.
Anonymous No.106358317 >>106358328
>>106356088
gave ISPs the ability to split websites and domains into different packages and block you if you didnt subscribe to that package, like old cable dogshit
honestly seems unenforceable
Anonymous No.106358328
>>106358317
for what purpose?
Anonymous No.106358343 >>106358669
>>106355914
>The whole net neutrality thing was actually retarded.
>Some traffic actually SHOULD have higher priority, and some should have lower priority.

>Under net neutrality, both of these forms of traffic get equal priority,
>Not having net neutrality means you can sort traffic sensibly.


That is not the issue, it was about consuming the ISPs backbone and "inter-backbone" bandwidth... If Clients are trafficking 4k video 24\7, degrading the experience for everyone in that trunk, the isp shapes ur traffic to the stream server only... torrents ? Shaped too...
And the fear was that isp would hasle clients And/Or streaming companies just so the isp didnt have to actually live up to the 9000 Mbps they advertised.
Ofc there was corporate shilling for both sides, and if a certain streaming service is clogging the tubes with its streams, streams that are paid by the same customers at almost the same as a monthly isp charge, maybe they should be required to provided some peering when the company reaches a certain tier.
Anonymous No.106358639
>>106354748 (OP)
>i pay ISP to allow me to connect to other computers on the network
>ISP charges extra depending on the computer i am connecting to
So which excuse did they use to allow this? Don't see how this would be good in any way.

Am i understanding this correctly?
Anonymous No.106358669 >>106358764
>>106358343
>If Clients are trafficking 4k video 24\7, degrading the experience for everyone in that trunk
Why would the ISP sell you something they can't deliver on? If they say you can have 9000Mbps then you should be able to use them however you want.
How is this even a topic?
Anonymous No.106358701
the frog is boiled slowly, you dont throw it in a pot of boiling water
Anonymous No.106358706 >>106358783
>>106357938
states cannot regulate interstate commerce (which the internet inextricably is), that is the exclusive domain of the feds
if a state actually tried to enforce net neutrality they would lose in court
Anonymous No.106358716
>fox news
cringe af, and ironic
Anonymous No.106358718 >>106358739 >>106362319
>>106355373
>>106355425
is this a real image or propaganda?
Anonymous No.106358739 >>106362319
>>106358718
If ISPs can, they eventually will.
Anonymous No.106358743
>>106356087
YWNBAW
>>106355863
Arguably the worst part about Net Neutrality ending is peering is much more expensive than it should be.
Most people will never work for the infra side of an ISP or CDN so they have no idea just how frustrating things have become. The extra cost to each individual consumer is quite low but it's still gradually increasing prices more than they should.
Anonymous No.106358764 >>106358823
>>106358669
Because one route might be slower than another and a big streaming provider could put all the burden on a specific one.
You know, cables and shit.
And if the ISPs have to invest money, to build infrastructure, because the streaming company can't be assed to CDN correctly, it makes sense to make the streaming company pay a share.

Think about Eurofags using Netflix.
Imagine if Netflix would have no servers in Europe.
Imagine every single European, who uses Netflix, causing traffic to go overseas through the transatlantic cables.
Imagine those cables getting to their limit because of it, now affecting everyone.
Anonymous No.106358783
>>106358706
States do enforce net neutrality by declaring that ISPs, who aren't net neutral, aren't allowed to make deals with that state anymore.

A state can decide who he himself wants to make business with.... except when it's about Israel.
Anonymous No.106358823 >>106358883 >>106359268 >>106359343
>>106358764
>Imagine those cables getting to their limit because of it, now affecting everyone.
Well, they are not really working as advertised. Seems like at at least half the issue is ISPs and governments not investing in infrastructure enough. If you cannot properly saturate every bodies connection without things falling apart its not the users fault but the infrastructures. Massive data centers could pay extra if the place they are based in needs expansion but that's just normal isn't it? If a highway cannot support its planned maximum capacity you shouldn't make some drivers pay extra but look into why it cannot achieve its advertised goals.
Anonymous No.106358883 >>106359672
>>106358823
ISPs could just be a little more transparent about their speeds too. Sorta like ingress and egress fees are based on where the data comes from or goes too so could the speed of a data plan. Just seems common sense if you put it this way.
a 9000Mbps data plan is not really 9000Mbps when it only works sometimes and only on some connections. Seems like false advertising to me very often from the ISPs side.
Anonymous No.106359268 >>106367805
>>106358823
If all the burden is caused by Netflix, like in this hypothetical scenario, why should the government (so the taxpayer) pay billions to lay new cables through an ocean, rather than having Netflix rent a datacenter in Europe for only a tiny fraction of the cost?
Anonymous No.106359343 >>106367805
>>106358823
>If a highway cannot support its planned maximum capacity you shouldn't make some drivers pay extra
Yes, that is exactly what you do.
You introduce tolls and make the trucks pay more than an ordinary passenger car. And you make them pay even more when they only use your roads for transit, rather than being locals.
It's a big issue in all those little countries like Switzerland and Austria where most of the traffic is caused by transit.
Anonymous No.106359390 >>106359475
propaganda campaign by tech giants not wanting to be squeezed by ISPs for money
Anonymous No.106359407
>>106355183
>Why did they waste millions lobbying to remove it?
They didn't. Most of the tech and telephony companies were for it as it enforced their monopoly and created a higher barrier to entry.
Anonymous No.106359475 >>106359503 >>106361427
>>106359390
you know that websites pass their fees back to their users, right?
Anonymous No.106359503
>>106359475
So the Youtube and Netflix cattle has to pay more.
Anonymous No.106359643
>>106354748 (OP)
Net Neutrality was the Epstein Files of the 2010s
Anonymous No.106359652
>>106354748 (OP)
Nothing ever happens
Anonymous No.106359672
>>106358883
The 9gbps link is the speed from your router to the first aggregation switch. On my country at least consumer ISPs are forced to publish their overselling ratio for national/international links.
Anonymous No.106361166
>>106357396
I have two. I'll be fine
Anonymous No.106361303
>>106354748 (OP)
Instead of targeting end users they targeted content providers so the cost is hidden and the slowdowns get blamed on jeetcode and JS bloat.
Anonymous No.106361325
>>106354748 (OP)
because if you looked into it the people benefitting from "net neutrality" as it was written were the very people they claimed were going to benefit from it being abolished
Anonymous No.106361427
>>106359475
Based. Fuck'em.
Anonymous No.106361915
>>106355914
Kill yourself faggot.
Anonymous No.106362319
>>106358718
It's complete propaganda.
>>106358739
Okay, so why don't they do it? It's been nearly ten years.
>BUT THEY WILL!
No they won't because they don't care that much. They just provide minimal service for maximum price and that's the end of it. Rocking that boat will convince people to switch to satellite.
Anonymous No.106363395
>>106354748 (OP)
Net neutrality was no longer needed because big corporations had already dominated the internet space. It was only ever a tool for them to eliminate competition.
Anonymous No.106363574
>>106354748 (OP)
FAGMAN companies who used the most traffic while paying the same as everyone else paid leftist faggots and faggot interest groups to spread the ""message"" to make it seem like an imminent world ending issue, attack on democracy etc. etc. in the eye of normalfags, in an attempt of ensuring they won't have to spend more by keeping things as-is.
But in the end it did not work out: the whole thing got memory holed and they just coughed the fees up from their raked in gorillions.
Anonymous No.106364108
>>106354748 (OP)
It ended in 2012 and jews went mask off.
The future belongs to other less jewish countries
Anonymous No.106364538
>>106355183
All in due time, haste makes waste, you gotta let the dust settle first.
Anonymous No.106364638 >>106366276
>>106354818
ICANN already succeeded thoughbeit
Anonymous No.106365924
>>106357396
Anonymous No.106366276
>>106364638
icann has no power here
Anonymous No.106366378
just watch it slowly get worse over the years and when your picture becomes real, remember to shoot yourself in the head
Anonymous No.106367273
the world ended long ago
Anonymous No.106367665 >>106368002
>>106355200
>>106357938
So what's your opinion on deploying national guard without a governor's approval? Threatening to arrest a governor? Or federalizing the police in DC? Instructing the justice department to block states from enforcing their own environmental laws? Witholding New York funding to force it change it's congestion pricing? Trying to control a state's water reserve/supply? Threatening to wothold congress-approved funding to force states to change unrelated policies?
Anonymous No.106367805 >>106368156
>>106359343
>Yes, that is exactly what you do.
No its not idiot. If a highway is rated to fit 9000 cars but only can get 3000 on it you don't tax the 3000 drivers for using it but fix the damn thing to make 9000 fit like advertised.
Anything less is a scam. If you cannot deliver on your dataplans then don't oversell them. Simple issue with a simple fix.
>>106359268
>If all the burden is caused by Netflix
who sold Netflix this bandwidth that cannot actually be sustained? The ISP? If so then its their responsibility. The government can make this easier or not get in the way like in my place but again, is a ISP issue. Its selling bandwidth that does not exist. Netflix is not at fault. They were sold a service that the provider cannot provide.
Anonymous No.106368002 >>106368040 >>106368850
>>106367665
I would argue California and Colorado have installed non-democratic governments and the president is constitutionally mandated to invade and hold fair elections.
Anonymous No.106368040 >>106368050
>>106368002
Just because people in california aren't subhumans like you doesn't give you the justification to argue the opposite. I wish democrats weren't such pussies and we would just cleanse the US of all chuds. Then we could finally move on to REALLY make america great finally.
Anonymous No.106368050
>>106368040
>she thinks california is solid blue
lmao
Anonymous No.106368080
>>106355183
All they actually wanted to do was charge streaming services extra, which they did.
Anonymous No.106368085
>>106354748 (OP)
If it made no difference, then why were they so hellbent on removing it?
Anonymous No.106368156 >>106368358
>>106367805
>who sold Netflix this bandwidth that cannot actually be sustained
Netflix sold that bandwidth to itself. It builds a datacenter and connects to a Tier 1 ISP, they do not have any bandwidth limit or promise in those contracts.
Not a single entity in this hypothetical scenario promised Netflix to be capable to send unlimited data overseas.
Anonymous No.106368358
>>106368156
classify hogging the network to a standstill as DDoS and ez pz.
Anonymous No.106368398
>>106354803
>They should have been focused on the real problem, big tech monopolies
>by allowing big tech companies to have faster Internet than everyone else.
What the fuck do they put in amerimutt water?
Anonymous No.106368574
>>106354748 (OP)
Propaganda. The goal was to control the internet and censor the internet.
Anonymous No.106368586
>>106355349
Gov censorship was behind the pull. What do you think was happening during the covid? The gov was forcing platforms to censor hard on any information that goes counter to the propaganda narrative. This ended with Musk taking over twitter. And then the mask came off completely and gov started enacting these censorship laws manually.
Anonymous No.106368850 >>106369419
>>106368002
>they elected people I don't like THIS IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO OUR DEMOCRACY
uh-huh
Anonymous No.106369419
>>106368850
They're not elected. They have infinite mail-in ballot fraud, zero ID requirement, infinite illegals. The native population has no representation.
Anonymous No.106370701
>>106354748 (OP)
>why was there so much fearmongering?
Remember how Google ridiculed a US Senator about a "series of tubes" and then he mysteriously died in a "accidental" private plane crash shortly after?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Stevens
No, I didn't think you did.