Thread 106358339

How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide

>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Case Studies, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/

>/iemg/'s Blog/Wiki (Archive, Books & Papers, Music Editorial, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/

>Frequency Response Graph Tool
squig.link

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18
• Tanchjim Bunny (Mild U) - $20
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• EPZ Q1 Pro / G10 (V-shape) - $35
• Kiwi Ears Cadenza (Mild V) - $35

>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28
• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8
• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) $18
• Tanchjim Stargate II (8-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• Hifi Walker H2 / Surfans F20 (Rockbox) - $120
• Tempotec Variations V1 - $130
• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

Previous Thread: >>106332141

>>106358339 (OP)
Ahh IEM

>>106358357
>used
Lmao

Any pos with Harman tuning but slightly reduced pinna gain (like 2-3 db)?

>>106348609
Wtf why would you do that? I'd understand being curious and getting one, but 3?
Why you skipped PR3 though?

>>106354047
Interesting, the design style sorta resembles that one expensive Dunu thing. I don't like switches and the like on my iems though, and I certainly don't want a fuckin' tuning knob or whatever that is.

>>106356357
I'd say that's not a KZ-level of offense yet. If the driver is the same and the tuning filter parameters are the same, the grill itself shouldn't affect the outcome much if it all - it's really just a protection for the filter underneath. Having said that, I have no clue if they've been changed or not.

I've been out of here for months. Has our qveen released a new pos?

>>106358381
Cadenza 4.
>>106358404
This shit is so ass.

>>106358398
Fission and Nora
also teased Kara Pro and other hybrid proto at SIAS

>>106358331
At the very least the pcb they used on the drivers is different color, but honestly this tonality on a budget iem was too good to be true, they clearly are using something much more meh now, albeit inoffensive

>>106358404
literally like measuring DSP iems without the DSP cable. Very disingenuous

>>106358377
cope harder, please

>>106358423
you can eq bruh
comfort is all that matters

>>106358439
Nta but cope about what? That shit is inferior to oxygen and origin, qkz x hbb wipes the floor with that.

>>106358443
it comes with a peq dongle

im just glad snoy is making IEMs, tired of chinkshit.

>>106358398
So many.

>>106358452
>qkz x hbb wipes the floor
with what, exactly?

My PC is a bit far away and I wanted to get a 3.5mm extension cable. Anything to look out for on aliexpress? Any /iemg/ approved ones?

>>106358549
Get a USB dongle from the OP. Use a long USB cable or whatever

>>106358549
My nigga, you can find Ugreen literally everywhere. Ive never had an issue with them

>>106358507
The saargot ea500

I found Kinera Celest Wyvern to be the most comfortable IEM's I've ever worn, can you recommend any other good ones in a similar shell??

>>106358620
pretty bad bait.

>>106358650
SAAR G-DS GOT THE SIMGOT, SAARGUD WITH THE SIMGOT

>>106358478
>peq
geq you mean...

>>106358404
>>106358702
Legacy companies are so behind China it's insane. Bet the dongle is hissing too.

eqslop vs driverslop, who wins?

>>106358607
I just realized how stupid I am, I already have a Fiio Ka11, I only need a usb c male to female extension cable.

Does anyone else have the Fiio KA11 and the problem where sometimes the audio cuts out for half a second?

>>106358769
well-mixed audio wins every time.

>>106358782
I get audio cutting out when I think there's a notification or something

>>106358838
post some so I can laugh at you

>>106359150
https://youtu.be/80b4Y_d8W8o?list=RD80b4Y_d8W8o

Harman N.1 song

>>106358921
Nah it happens normally too, I think it might just be an issue with my phone and laptop, at least it never happens when my laptop is on power supply, probably some power saving usb firmware shit.

>>106359150
hans zimmer-inception score
yosi horikawa-vapor
trentemoller-the last resort
pink floyd- the final cut
test imaging and soundstage with these first. then laugh later.

>>106356473
Is there no way to get the original ones? Is there no store that sells them anymore at all?

>>106358782
>>106358921
>>106359217
Fiio'd.

>>106359236
Got a better recommendation? Nothing large, as I use it with my phone too and also low output impedance as my Iems have 7 ohm impedance.

>>106359222
I was lurking alixpress stores, some customers posted pics with the red QKZ logo on the box, but theres no guarantee they will be the original ones just because of this.

Its a bit of a wild goose chase, since I already ordered 3 from different sellers, and all of them were identical. I better baby this set it seems...

>>106359292
>a bit of a wild goose chase, since I already ordered 3 from different sellers
If you ever find a store that sells the originals do let me know.

>>106359272
Fosi DS2.

>>106358339 (OP)
Budget
>800 USD
Intended use
> outside use while motorcycling
Frequency response
>clear with good soundstage, should be clear at lower power OR warm but clear at lower power
Past gear
>No IEMs
>DT1990, liked the warm feeling but clear sound. My favorite.
>Sennheiser HD600. Natural but boring, impedance made me go out and buy an amp+DAC combo just to get the most of it at lower power.

If I can get something that can be clear enough while listening to music and still allow me to distinguish my friend’s voices on background calls, then that would be ideal (provided it can also be warm when tuned). Good IP rating is prefered.

spacepods

>becoming a weird freak obsessed with shitty stealth revised pos instead of just buying something good
why is this so common here

>shitty stealh revised
kz stealth revision is an upgrade, all their 1dd are great so it doesn't matter

>>106359616
You've clearly haven't heard a ZVX before and after the stealth revision. I have both, they replaced the driver with an entirely different one and it sounds like shit now.

>>106359616
copium levels over 9000

>>106358339 (OP)
I really love the flat-ish shape of this pos, what would be a nice upgrade from the bunnys? I know these are basically the sennheiser iem shells, I had the 100 series a few years ago and I loved the shape but the sound was nothing special.
Do I buy the fissions? Are there other alternatives?

>>106359764
IE600 is okay, but unfortunately it has ear rape treble. The only other pos I can think of that fits is the Moondrop Illustrious, but that's also an unconventional iem. Just go with the Fissions.

>>106359897
Guess I'll have to pick up the fissions then, I wish more companies got into the flat shape iem game

>>106359440
>don't ask questions, just consume product

>>106359440
Nigger

>>106358339 (OP)
>Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18
Just got it for $9 in the current Aliexpress sale with coinsssss.

>>106359702
>You've clearly haven't heard a ZVX before and after the stealth revision.
We've moved on to the ZVX Pro

>>106359440
>>106359616
bad rat
shoo

CRA (any version) or EDC PRO?
if you had to live with one forever, assuming it will never take a shit and die, which is your pick?

>>106360312
i think i'd kill myself

>>106360312
I'd rather chop off my ears and puncture my eardrums with a red hot nail if it all came down to those two

>>106360312
EDChad Pro ofc

>>106360249
/iemg/ + /ldg/ collab wow

>>106360395
why a redundant setup if you don't mind me asking? that pmp not good enough on its own?

>>106360312
Unironically the QKZ x HBB, it fixed what was wrong with CRA and retained the good stuff.

>>106360428
synergy

>>106360437
>fixed what was wrong with CRA
unironically, 20Hz-1k says the exact opposite

>>106360495
depends on the graph

>>106360559
every graph showing both measurements agrees with me then

>>106360612
so what if its a bit midbassier, eq'ing that is trivial, CRA being a screamer in the treble was not

>>106360428
he's using an edc pro, we already know he's retarded

>>106360495
>>106360659
ZVX PRO > EDC PRO > CRA

>>106360683
Fox iem >>>>>

>>106358381
>Harman tuning but slightly reduced pinna gain
aful explorer, ziigatt lush. but they also fill in bass / lower mids more, so it's not exactly as you've requested

>>106358645
>similar shell??
companies use their own slight variations for shell designs. epz p50 / crinear daybreak will be slightly narrower versions of similar fit. thieaudio, mangird, kiwi ears mid-range multi-driver models tend to use similar shell style.

What score do I need to reach until I can call myself a trained listener?

>>106360659
wearing them right now actually, tuned raw to jm-1 on 4.4mm balanced.

>>106359414
IP rating automatically excludes the vast majority of "audiophile," wired gear. So that means TWS. If you have money, just pick between Apple, Samsung, Sony and pair with whatever phone you have for the most optimal UX.
For more stability under helmet, probably need to choose a model with built-in earhooks from various other companies (since the aforementioned don't make "premium," earhook models)

>>106360792
enjoy, I never said they are bad

>>106360715
>best measured iem driver on the planet
True

>>106360763
don't need a score to be called a faggot

>>106360312
>>106360395
I'll admit EDC Pro was surprisingly good, but the real question is whether the EDC Pro you can buy today is the same EDC Pro people praised back when it was released...

>>106360683
>>106360204
Pretty sure ZVX PRO is just the OG ZVX driver, so they re-released the same thing at a higher price of a "fresh" product...

>>106360715
Both Zero and Zero 2 sound good, but both are also unwearable for extended listening sessions...

>>106360884
post results or suck my dick

>>106360983
are you really that insecure? suck your own cock

>>106360763
8 on band IDs. Other trials are optional.

>>106360970
just need to get someone to buy like 4 of them and break them apart.

>>106360763
troon shit

>>106360763
>he thinks he needs to train to listen to music
Is this some kind of joke?

>untrained listeners don't know what training is and what it's for
Classic.

>>106361229
>she doesn't read harman papers

>>106359957
DO NOT BUY FISSION
>>106360983
reach level 9 (or complete level 8) on peaks/dips, the other band id are easier than that one

>>106361229
>pos market shitted up with the notion that you still have to pay for tuning in 2025 even though chu came out years ago.
>preference curve studies are glorified popularity contests

>>106361281
>t. trooned listener

only in /iemg/ will you find sciencetards get called troons

>>106361332
Why not nigger, elaborate

I have letshuoer s12 pros and a hiby R6III. What you improve if possible?

>>106361376
their worst product, do not redeem

>>106361390
are you enjoying it? no.

>>106361390
eq (guide)

>>106361406
Yeah I like it a lot, was just curious if there was any opportunities for improvement.

>>106361146
>>106361332
Alright, now I'm officially a trained listener. Did it with Hexa eq'd to raw DF btw

>>106361453
absolutely not. you'll drive yourself crazy thinking about better and better.

>>106361453
>>106361473
I take it back, if you don't have a 4.4mm balanced cable for your s12 pro, get one

>>106361467
cool, doesn't matter what you use tho, training is for detecting timbral and spectral issues
i completed that training with earbuds fwiw

>>106361467
Why did you buy that pos...

>>106361467
You completed the tutorial, now become an actual /iemG/od listener.

>>106361473
>>106361495
Thank you, I am using the 4.4 balanced cable. This shit is so good, would highly recommend.

>>106361515
Looks like we are on the same level. But I am done for today, time to hit play and enjoy the music: https://youtu.be/a0kLfdCFgn0

>>106361604
Look closer.

>>106361604
Only real music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHkDDDgm7qE

>>106361604
>"I accept your concession"

>>106360970
>Pretty sure ZVX PRO is just the OG ZVX driver, so they re-released the same thing at a higher price of a "fresh" product...
The ZVX PRO is only a few dollars more than the ZVX.

>>106361618
>>106361629
What do you mean? Band ID peaks/dips level 9, just like me.
>>106361619
Interesting, I didn't know that composer. The 20th century atonality is a bit weird, but the prelude is not bad.

>>106361697
Look at the amplitude. 3dB vs 6dB is a different matter altogether.

>>106361703
Oh I see now... Didn't know that it was possible to change that

>>106361712
If you go into Practice you can change the amplitude.
Wouldn't recommend doing it, it is rather tedious and confusing. 6dB sounds like very distinct tonal changes that can be pinned down; 3dB becomes subtle enough to where multiple causes can be chosen.
Also very interesting that I could hear changes in technicalities (bass quality, transients, etc) from some of the trials.

>>106361735
>Also very interesting that I could hear changes in technicalities (bass quality, transients, etc) from some of the trials.
does this show techs = fr?

>>106361746
>does this show techs = fr?
no.

>>106361746
For me yes. Very clear that the whole balance of FR is important, and I think some slight colorations can impart that feeling and sense of technicalities.

>>106361798
Yes.

holy shit dunu ito looks like a bass monster

>>106361798
The only tripowin products worth anything are their cables.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waNGoWV194c&ab_channel=AkosBolcz
real music for you tech-hating nihilists out there

>>106361911
>The only tripowin products worth anything are their cables.
yet it is recommended in the OP

>>106361816
motherfucker what the fuck are you on?

>>106361961
nta but shit like Bunny and Q1 Pro were shitposts that I put on there that somehow stuck lmao OP hasn't been useful for like a year.

>>106361961
I think it's starting to get to the point where almost every OP recommendation can be safely ignored.

>>106361972
You know you can just read the exchange right?

is there any noticeably change in quality between the budget iems? i'm looking for something brighter, and was considering the 7hz salnotes zero for like $20, or either the moondrop lan or the simgot ew200 for $40. Can I expect any noticeable jump in quality (not only soundwise but in terms of build quality etc) for those 20 extra?

>>106361911
>jap techs
>chink cable techs
>chink eartip
no good taste, so the opinion is invalid

>>106361974
stfu nigger
before we had trn conch and saargot

>>106361974
>nta but shit like Bunny and Q1 Pro were shitposts that I put on there that somehow stuck lmao OP hasn't been useful for like a year.
So what are the good budget IEMs?

>>106362112
Truthear Gate + EQ

>>106362075
no, there is no correlation between price and sound quality
you might find something that is more suited to your preference. or just use eq (read the guide)

>>106362075
No.

>>106362112
edc pro
ling long
libra x
castor pro
vader pro
just check paulwasabii reviews for trustworthy reviews

>>106362175
Shut up rat.

>>106362175
>edc pro
>ling long
>libra x
>castor pro
>vader pro
So the only good budget IEMs are ALL KZ?
I doubt it

>posts making fun of trannies deleted
foxbum is an actual troon? lmao its so over

>>106362175
rats rats we are the rats
michael it's your birthday today

>>106362239
no one can compete with edc pro in price/performance

>>106360312
EDC Pro is plagued with shitty QC, which is completely understandable for how ridiculously cheap it is, but if you get a pair that works as intended, it sounds fucking amazing and nothing like $5, $12 or whatever - it's legit in $100 price bracket with nice rumbly subbass, clean midbass, natural (if somewhat dry) mids, non-fatiguing treble and airy upper treble
tl;dr EDC Pro the is superior product as long as you get a working pair

>>106362274
spare us the bait

>>106362274
>no one can compete with edc pro in price/performance
too bad the build quality sucks
I got the ZVX Pro instead.

>>106362175
Niggerat

>>106362112
Unironically the only good high quality in both tuning and material used budget iem is chu 2.

>>106362292
build quality is good, it's QC that fails often
its plastic shells are thick and filled well, if you knock two EDC Pros against each other they emit a loud, low knock like billiard balls

>>106362285
>as long as you get a working pair
hah. pass.

>>106362313
>build quality is good, it's QC that fails often
>its plastic shells are thick and filled well, if you knock two EDC Pros against each other they emit a loud, low knock like billiard balls
Lol no. It's hollow feeling, the nozzles are poorly made, and the tips fall off easily.

>edc this edc that
more interested in ukraine killing every dildo loving rusbum troon

>>106362320
I just bought 4 pairs, two working, one with driver flex (but works well once in ear) and one with one side borked
I regret nothing
>>106362326
my Spinshit Neos sit on the nozzles securely, while W1s I'm using nowadays still don't slip off despite non-lidded inner sleeves
it is hollow inside because it's 1DD which means it needs a tuning chamber, but its walls are thick

why are Moondropped so overpriced?

>>106362479
yuki tax

kys tranny

>>106362479
Space Travel (1 and 2) is the only Moondropped product that's still good and cheap like in the olden days, the rest is boring or just bad and doesn't have competitive prices anymore

Space Travel fucking sucks

>>106362479
Pedophile tax

>>106362479
It hasn't bothered me, I love my blessing 3s, robin and Evo
The robins are such a nice TWS because they actually sound like good IEMs, sure the ANC isn't perfect, but they were $100.
Evos are nice too, I'm going to get a set of KATOs because my Hexa don't look great on them
I'm thinking about getting S8s just to see what a full BA set sounds like

>>106361798
>0 real reviews
>0 real measurements
it's garbage

>>106362663
>measurements exist
>reviews are worthless

>>106362744
do you even actually have it?

>>106362850
no, but I have eyes and I see from the graph that Ruta10 is good

>>106362863
pff

>>106362875
show me a flaw for the price

>>106362906
Looks ugly

>>106362916
no u

>>106362906
i'm not a fan of metal shell pos in general

>>106363010
they have it in matte black and the nozzle is plastic

>>106363010
let me guess, they all condensate?

>>106362906
>show me a flaw for the price
I just bought them for $9.

>>106363289
why

>>106363407
Because they are recommended and $9 is cheap af.

campfire would sell ruta10 for $999 and mutts would love it

let that sink in

Budget pos with best techs?

>>106363583
tanchjim bunny
the giga air peak will highlight every harmonic

epzigger deflection, the real dogshit in the op is obvious

>>106363583
Ruta10 can be had for $9 on the aliexpress back to school sale.

>>106363580
campfire at least has enough profit margin to maintain their drivers without needing to do stealth revisions, its like these niggas wait till all the reviewers measured them and the hyped died down a bit to stealth revise them

Crazy how the 4U is a better more refined Oxygen/Hana but it's still dogshit.
Really shows how old both of those Tanchjim models were. They would be bottom of the barrel pos by modern standards.

what's so special about ruta

>>106364069
rhymes with futa

>>106364044
crazier how youll never pass tho

>>106364079
What the fuck is that?

>>106364088
the 4u is cheap so its pagpag

>>106364102
How does that matter at all?

>>106364116
how does any of this website matter at all?

>>106364079
>>106364102
you might be schizophrenic

>>106364153
>might

BA pos avoid or KINO?

>>106364197
kino der toten

>>106364197
>ba bass
im good

>>106364069
>what's so special about ruta
Solid sound for $9 with good build quality. easy impulse buy.

I like when IEMs have long metal nozzles so condensation isn't a problem but you get a solid grip on your tips and better build quality to fuse the nozzle and the resin body. We need more IEMs like this.
Btw the TRN V10 Pro is nice for $10 right now on Ali.

>>106358339 (OP)
>Tanchjim Bunny
Newfag here. Should I get the type-c variant? after lurking in these threads for a bit it seems this one supports EQ through its official app for phones and PC, while the regular 3.5 does not, am I correct? would I be missing on anything if I were to chose the 3.5 one? Also I'm a Linuxfag, but I guess I could get the program working through Wine or something, dunno, does anyone here have experience with this? I have a usb-c port on my pc but I've never used it so I don't even know if it supports audio lol

>>106364817
>would I be missing on anything if I were to chose the 3.5 one?
you can put any other cable you want. doesn't matter which one you get. it just depends on what you use for music, usb-c or 3.5mm.

>>106364817
>I have a usb-c port on my pc but I've never used it so I don't even know if it supports audio lol
they pretty much all do. im using a 2018 laptop with usb-c and it supports all my audio devices and headphones just fine.

What is a good replacement cable, guys? There's so many.

>>106364970
im cablezo, what are you looking for? modularity? color? shiny metal hardware? 6 core? ear hooks?

>>106364982
I need earhooks, shouldn't be fuckhuge thick, overall a good looking but somewhat practical cable that is soft and manageable. That's all I really want. No need for all shiny bling or whatever.

>>106365022
budget and for what pos?

>>106365035
I guess low-to-midrange budget under 30? I don't know what POS means. Connection? 2 pin?

>>106365050
for what iem? or are you just looking for a decent replacement cable for something later on?

>>106365057
I'm using the 7hz Crinacle Zero 2 and I might buy an upgrade to that later on. If you can narrow it down to a company or two that would fit my stated needs, that would be helpful enough. Thanks.

>>106365067
hmm, since you're not looking for something specific, i think the cable section in the shopping guide will be a good starter
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide#cables
personally, i think something the trn tn is a good option. there are also a lot of good xinhs/ivipq/nici/trusted audio/etc cable stores on aliexpress that fit your budget
if you need customization (longer cabe, no hooks, different hardware) these stores will usually offer it for a slight fee

>>106365099
>personally, i think something the trn tn is a good option.
Anything less modular and simpler that you'd recommend? I don't need anything but 3.5mm.

>>106365126
if you want the simplest possible, then strangely enough my favorite one is the stock cable that comes with the chu 2
compatible with every 2pin variant, thin, understated, simple
you won't find a simpler and bland cable, even the "subtle" ones from cable stores will have something

>>106365162
>if you want the simplest possible, then strangely enough my favorite one is the stock cable that comes with the chu 2
>compatible with every 2pin variant, thin, understated, simple
Anything similar that doesn't need a whole IEM to be bought?

>>106365171
as simple that will have as good quality in terms of handling? not really
you could opt for something like the faaeal rice, but it has a 2 core braid below the y split. feels more premium than the chu 2 cable

>>106365181
>you could opt for something like the faaeal rice, but it has a 2 core braid below the y split. feels more premium than the chu 2 cable
that won't ship to me in the USA for some reason but I found the nicehck icymoon in the suggestions. that looks like what I was looking for. thanks.

why is epz g10 so good, bros?

>>106365306
you tell us

>>106365099
nobody has ever read the consoomer guide

>>106361862
How does one acquire a grail like this

Remember. Listen to your songs, not to your gear. Stop visiting audio equipment forums and sites (including this general). Stop consuming audio equipment, go support the music artists you like and listen to more music.

>>106365674
Epz official store on aliexpress, ask the seller.

>>106365676
>Listen to your songs, not to your gear
stupidest shit I've ever heard

Why is Artti T10 so uncomfortable? It sounds so good but wearing it longer just makes my ears hurt... It doesn't even look like it'd be like that!
I bet the Pro version is exactly the same in this aspect.

>>106365745
IEM fit is individual. You'll have to find your own pair.

>>106359414
Just a heads up anon but my helmet broke my Wan'er when I tried put ting it on with the IEMs in my ears. You'll probably want something fairly low profile & without a protruding connector.

>>106364670
Why does this design reek of KZ so much?
Why are their marketing materials and website almost a 1:1 copy of KZ's, with just a different color scheme?

Are we SUUUUUUUUUURE they're not related?

>>106360763
>"I have a black belt in listening"
Women love this guy.

>>106365908
>Are we SUUUUUUUUUURE they're not related?

Even if they were, CCA is well known to be a sub-brand of KZ and it's still treated very differently, so....

>>106365745
>Why is Artti T10 so uncomfortable? It sounds so good but wearing it longer just makes my ears hurt...
It has a unique shape that doesn't take into account how ears are shaped. Most IEMs are shaped to keep the pressure off your ears and the T10 is shaped in a way that does not do this. Bad buy.

>>106365908
>Why are their marketing materials and website almost a 1:1 copy of KZ's, with just a different color scheme?
TRN is not related to KZ but I'm sure they take cues from them.

>>106360718
>aful explorer, ziigatt lush. but they also fill in bass / lower mids more, so it's not exactly as you've requested
Nice! Because I ordered the Explorer a couple of days ago. I hope it's not too warm though.

>>106365734
no it is not

>>106365745
should have went with Artti R2 instead

>>106366342
yes it is
and you are stupid too

Ziigaat Odyssey
Ziigaat Estrella
ISN H60

I think one of the might be my next purchase. Thoughts?

KZ ZSN12 Pro X or AM16?

>>106366705
wait for odyssey x crin instead

>>106366785
Huh?

acquire OG QKZ x HBB

What are the best IEMs for Metal? I've been shopping around for new audio equipment, but I haven't considered IEMs yet.

>>106367006
Like I'm considering Planars for it because of how they sound. Would NICEHCK F1 Pro be any good for this kind of music?

>>106367006
Symphonic metal or industrial?

>>106367006
it's crucial that they're made of metal themselves

>>106367182
I primarily listen to Melodeath, but I am branching out.

>>106367104
planars suck
>NICEHCK F1 Pro
fucking dogshit
just buy daybreaks

Good morning !

Is this worth $10? I plan to use it with r2r and tubes

Would these be any good?
https://a.co/d/7S09B4P

>>106368373
$10 for a shitmaxxed setup? Absolutely.

>>106368413
What do you mean?

>>106368373
NO!!!!!! KZ IS BAD!!!! STEALTH REVISIONS AND SUCH!!!!! TYVAN SAID DMS LOOKS LIKE A LESBIAN!!!!!!!!

>>106368460
WE WUZ STEALTH REVISIN' N
SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIT

>>106367104
>Would NICEHCK F1 Pro be any good for this kind of music?
Unless you're a big fan of being absolutely raped by treble, no.

>>106368373
Friends dont let friends buy KZ.

>>106368373
EDC Pro is a better choice

>>106368373
BA pos, avoid

>>106368799
Why?

>>106368428
He's using r2r and tubes, BA and KZ is exactly what he's looking for.

>>106368925
don't listen to him. he will tell you to eq any pos to do anything and then tell you you can't eq BA, all in the same breath.

>>106369159
Can't EQ distortion.

>>106369213
Distortion is not relevant for us listening below 80dBSPL, Amir.

>>106369213
elaborate.
distortion from what?

>>106369238
BAs distort at every volume. Clipping is a separate issue.
>>106369244
From BAs.

>>106369257
they're that bad they all distort at every volume? that's news to me.

>>106368413
>>106369213
>>106369257
Are you a chartfag by any chance? Post your double blind tests showing you can hear the THD lines.

>>106369257
>BAs distort at every volume
which frequencies take the biggest hit?

>>106368993
Does this mean BA is generally of a higher quality standard than typical?

>>106369311
0Hz-5kHz.
>>106369314
The opposite.

>>106369310
Can you explain in human language what your chart means? Not everyone is an audio engineer.

chatgpt says: Distortion only rises when you force them to do what they weren’t designed for (like sub-bass slam). That’s implementation, not some universal BA curse.”

>>106369324
Why do you believe R2R is lower quality?

>>106369257
>distortion products below the audibility threshold
>music follows a pink noise spectrum
>THD graphs show how much it distorts when the same voltage is fed into the headphone at all frequencies
>music doesn't feed the same voltage into the headphone at all frequencies - most of the voltage (energy) is from about 40 to about 300 Hz
try again

“If BAs distorted at every volume, the U12t and ER4XR wouldn’t be industry standards.”

>>106369159
>>106369213
If you can't EQ distortion then you can't hear distortion. Or EQ is a form of distortion. QED

>>106369348
Worse distortion and linearity. Same for tubes(they also have high output impedance which mangles the FR of multidriver IEMs).

>>106369351
>distortion products below the audibility threshold
Skill issue.

>>106369332
It means I hear distortion in a double blind test.
>>106369360
See above.

>>106369360
I think you're playing word games.

>>106369358
Industry standard = literal garbage.

>>106369360
eq is linear filtering, not nonlinear distortion. BA adding harmonics is distortion. boosting 2dB at 1k with eq isn’t. that’s why engineers measure thd separately from fr.

>>106369334
Only RISES. The baseline is already shit, but it can get worse.

>>106369399
cope harder. either the industry is deaf or you are.

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>>106369422
baseline from what? it can rise from a non-distorted point. you can't assume a ba is already 'distorting' from the get-go

>>106369441
>it can rise from a non-distorted point.
BAs have no non-distorted point. They have 0.5%-1% 3rd harmonic from the get go.

>>106369461
And R2Rs actually have WORSE distortion at low volume. So you can't just go hurr just don't listen loud. Just don't buy garbage. Especially when it costs more than fully transparent gear.

>>106369440
Saar...

>>106369567
that only knocks off a couple bits of bit-depth. not audible unless you're listening to over-compressed, badly rendered audio

>>106369663
Gpt begone.

>>106366789
Ooh

>>106367006
ISN H60

>>106369461
>BAs have no non-distorted point.
false. I think you're cherry picking your data. lots of dd bass shows >1%THD below 60hz but nobody calls that 'always distortion'. idk what or who's rigs you are specifically referring to but either way, they show some of the same distortions not unique to BAs.

>>106369676
pff. every -6db is around 1-bit lost. don't need chatgpt to tell you that

>>106369703
>lots of dd bass shows >1%THD below 60hz
Not distortion. It's the noise floor. DD's inherent distortion is around 0.1% 2nd harmonic dominated(10 times less audible than 3rd harmonic).

>>106368612
>Friends dont let friends buy KZ.
KZ keeps making the best value iems so there's no stopping the people on /iemg/ from buying them every year.

>>106369806
ogey rrat

>>106369733
you're confusing drivers straining at excursion limits for noise floor. shouldn't that random, flat 'floor' be seen across graphs? no. you see a sharp rise below resonance, which is characteristic of actual distortion, not noise. if we’re dismissing 2nd harmonic as ‘not distortion,’ then by that logic half of DD sub-bass graphs show zero distortion, which is just not how acoustics works. you're either wildly misunderstanding how measurement rigs display thd, or
you're just moving the goalposts to protect the DD = good / BA = bad meme.

can we replace the EQ guide with PEQdB Studio?

>>106369916
It's time to close chatgpt. The noise floor rises in the subbass. You can reduce that "distortion" by playing louder.
>if we’re dismissing 2nd harmonic as ‘not distortion,’
Nobody does that.

>>106368612
Why do people not like KZ?

>>106369925
You need the EQ guide to use peqdb studio.

>>106370030
oh no you're done for.
>The noise floor rises in the subbass
That’s a misunderstanding of how THD plots work.
A coupler’s absolute noise floor may obscure very quiet signals, but what you see on published THD graphs isn’t “noise floor rising.”
The ratio of harmonics to the fundamental (THD %) goes up in sub-bass because the driver itself is excursion-limited.
If it were just rig noise, then boosting playback level wouldn’t change the ratio. But in practice, raising volume often increases sub-bass THD further.
>You can reduce that ‘distortion’ by playing louder.
Flatly wrong.
THD is not reduced by higher SPL—the ratio of harmonics to fundamental usually increases with volume.
Example: look at any sweep at 94 dB vs 104 dB. Distortion rises with level.
So your statement is the exact opposite of real measurements.
>Nobody dismisses 2nd harmonic as not distortion.
you literally just did that in the last reply when he said DDs are ~0.1% “2nd harmonic dominated (10x less audible). You’ve got it backwards. Sub-bass THD rises because DDs hit excursion limits, not because the rig noise floor jumps up. That’s why you see distortion rise with SPL, not shrink. Noise floor doesn’t scale with playback level. Distortion does. That’s how you know it’s driver excursion, not mic hiss.

now what?

>>106368373
I also plan to listen to vinyl rips from tonepoet.fans on this. Cop or not?

>>106370094
>That’s a misunderstanding of how THD plots work.
You have never opened the REW THD tab. It literally shows you the noise floor. It's prohibitively expensive to control the noise floor in that range so you can get different THD in different times of day. Here's an openback to exaggerate the difference.
>you literally just did that in the last reply when he said DDs are ~0.1% “2nd harmonic dominated (10x less audible)
Literally says there is THD, are you blind or illiterate?

>>106370094
Tell chatgpt it's about the room's noise, not the rig's noise, then try again.

are you a trooned listener or an untrooned listener?

>2025
>listening

remember brain isn't minimum phase, you can brain eq with mood differences

>>106369703
Nonlinear behavior of moving iron is inherently non-monotonic. And IEM drivers don't neatly follow the second-order displacement of free radiating loudspeakers.
On a slightly different note, it's been a dear trying to find an analysis of this driver type older than Joe Jensen's dissertation. And that was in 2014! Balanced armatures are not new technology either. Then again, only a few companies make BAs.

>>106370138
Why the fuck isn't he using log scale?

>he trooned
>because his earphones were tuned

>>106371034
shut up bitch

is Ze Zhangout a reputable store?

Guys!!!!! We should make an IEMG discord!!!!!!
requirements:
- have at least 1 tanchjim product

>>106371736
>is Ze Zhangout a reputable store?
probably not

I'm a poorfag and I'm looking to buy my first IEM, is KZ a good choice?

>>106372570
>I'm a poorfag and I'm looking to buy my first IEM, is KZ a good choice?
yes. try the castor pro bass or zvx pro. very cheap right now on aliexpress.

>>106372570
No
It's cheap chinky garbage with poor quality control and stealth revisions.
>>106372589
Bad rat.

>>106372657
>cheap chinky garbage with poor quality control and stealth revisions.
so basically all of the chifi that /iemg/ recommends

>>106372663
Yes

>Artti T10
Are these worth considering?

>my aful performer 5 actually sounds great with metal
Hmm, I wonder if the 5+2 would be a straight upgrade on these?

>>106372771
garbage

>>106372974
ofc, then upgrade to aful performer 8 then aful cantor
CONSOOMMMMMM

>>106373185
I'm only really considering it cause I have to get something done with a broken pair of Fiio FT1's and I'm hoping I'll just be able to get a amazon gift card for it since they only lasted about 5 months.

>>106373451
>>106373451