Thread 106370159

The EU commission wants to scan your messages, your emails, your social medias and even your own personal cloud for csam. They will do this with AI. The AI has a failure rate of 80%. Which means that your innocent photos will be flagged and up for review by people that you can't trust.

Right now only three countries are against it. Germany is undecided. If this goes through in October you can say goodbye to your privacy.

>>106370159 (OP)
HOLY BASED ORBAN THE GLOBALIST FEAR HIM SOOOOO MUCH

>>106370194
I'm not a fan of Orban, but it's not necessarily up to him. I believe it goes through parliament or whatever.

>>106370159 (OP)
That black void where the UK used to be...

>>106370194
>>106370222
hungary is in favour
do you dumbasses can't point hungary on the map?

>>106370234
brexit means brexit
enjoy the dark dimension

>>106370278
damn
i might
let's see it out

>>106370268
I'm pretty sure the other anon was sarcastic when praising Orban.

Also, in favor means in favor of ChatControl, not in favor of stopping it.

>>106370222
You know why Juncker called him a dictator? Because Hungary has the same system as the UK, where your party gets the majority of seats in parliament if it wins the election.

>>106370159 (OP)
>Germany is undecided
lets be real, all the blues ones are secretly in favor. they just don't want to admit it because they dont have to. There are 14 in favor. 3 opposed. and 9 undecided. even if all the undecided opposed that will still be 14 in favor vs 12 opposed. EU chat control will get passed regardless. it over for eurocucks

>>106370159 (OP)
unenforcable, both on service and OS level. Every single person that I have stumbled upon who disagrees with that had a technical knowledge equal or lower than your average /pol/ user.

>>106370159 (OP)
the NSA has already been doing this for decades.

soooo they can only do this if they remove any security feature like encryption right?
or atleast give the EU all the nackdoors.

oh boy I can't wait until this shit complety backfires and hackers will use this to do all kind of crazy shit.

"thanks for letting me in"

>>106370349
And that's a good thing!

>>106370349
well then i guess it fine if the eu does it too

>>106370352
That's what they want. They want EEE with a backdoor that only "trusted official bodies" can access.

>>106370436
No actually it's cringe and unbased. EU KEKS keep losing, USA did it first, sorry you're late to the party but the party is over FAGGOT

>>106370159 (OP)
Freemason here.
Look, I know that this seems like it sucks now. But you can either hop on board and play with the team or you can resist and become an example.
Suck up your pride. Think about your friends and loved ones. This is all going to be fine.
You just have to be on board.

The EU wants to do so much of this shit
Remember, they also want to make their own certificate agency that requires ID verification of the owner, and BANS certificate transparency (ie, they are allowed to MITM silently)
and, they want an EU ID App to do age verification for ALL social media and anywhere where you can either consume content beyond "for children" content, or publish such content, and they of course would know and be able to link your accounts in

>>106370302
it's kind of the other way around

>>106370489
i dont wanna be onboard i hate ships

>>106370489
How acquainted do you have to be with building houses to become a freemason? Do freemasons get houses for free since everyone is a mason?

>>106370596
>Do freemasons get houses for free since everyone is a mason?
Not at all and, sadly, no. The house builders were "Operative Masons" while the Masonic fraternity is made up of "Speculative Masons" who, at one point, presumably joined up with Operative Masons and adopted much of their symbolism and moral lessons.
To be honest, you don't even get in on the whole ruling-the-world gig either. It's never brought up. And I'm not "lower level" either - I was 32nd Degree Scottish Rite when I was active and everything.
But the ruling the world shit is fun to larp about.

>>106370648
if i get "on board" with the masons or illuminati or whoever will they cure my dandruff

>>106370489
No, it is you, along with everyone else who tries to claim themselves as a "god" over other people, who is going to be made the example.

>>106370489
>t. larping NEET.

Dafuq am I supposed to do about this here in Norway? We pay for membership, so we don't have any real influence, yet we eagerly implement shit from the EU. I bet we're already implementing this already just to be good boys.

>>106370712
Oh yeah?
Ask me what the secrets of Freemasonry are.

>>106370967
when will you get a job?

>>106370985
Get that stick out yo ass playa.
Heaven forbid someone try to have a little fun around here without it working you autists into a lather.

>>106370159 (OP)
the only one who fear chat control are the pedophiles

It's a necessary step to stop the alt right.

>>106370159 (OP)
>(((eu commission)))

>>106371022
pedofiles are based then

>>106371014
/g/ is having way too much fun. actual technology is rarely discussed here nowadays. You either have cryptic /pol/cel threads like this one, various kind of spammers , schizos and a handful of generals that are somewhat on topic.

So who will be stopping me from forking Jitsi, Matrix or Nextcloud and hosting my own Chat server?

>>106371087
blame the glownigger m0ds that allow the dumpster fire to roar on the containment board. its almost like the april 'crash' was a retool shutdown to format for better access for bots/shills/jeets

>>106370159 (OP)
if you're against this, you're a pedophile

I don't think about yuropooria at all.

>>106370940
why are nordics such fucking cucks, every single time

>>106371127
your own laziness and that you dont have any friends who would join you even if you bothered to put in that tiny amount of effort

>>106371271
and what's wrong with that

>>106370234
Really a blessing in this case. The UK is probably the most pro-chat-control state that was ever part of the EU...

>>106371611
you will be put on a public list so people can avoid you and hide their children from you

>>106371645
good, it's all about the thrill of the chase

>>106370278
being with EU brings ruin. What happens in UK now is "punishment" for daring to disobey

>>106371776
Cope.

>>106371776
Other way around, it's the eternal *nglo that infected Europe.

>>106370234
Buried when the dams holding the street shit broke on Main

>>106371852
I don't disagree, anglo's greed has been devastating for this world (america included) but things haven't gone for the better in EU since UK left

>>106370159 (OP)
It's piss like this that made me anti-EU.
Hope it was worth it.
5 years ago I was still like "we need a European Federation or we will be dominated by China".

>>106370159 (OP)
this is retarded, how is "neutral" different from "undecided" ???

>>106372624
Are you actually stupid?

>>106370159 (OP)
It's shit.
Here's some more info about this stuff.
>https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/#WhatYouCanDo
You can call your members of parliament and tell them no with this.
>https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/home
You can see the general situation, nations in favor and undecided about this here
>https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

>>106372654
not him, but why is "opposing" and "neutral" in the same bracket?

>>106373510
Yes, that is obviously retarded. But someone taking a long hard look at something and being "we will not add any weight to a side" is different from being still undecided.

>>106370159 (OP)

just replace word ai with quartermaster or komissaar and its 1930s again

>Netherlands
>Poland
>Austria
I guarantee you they won't be able to block this. For some reason you need unanimity in almost everything that happens in the EU, yet this will be forced through no problem. I wonder why.

Holy fuck the EU is a literal fascist hellhole I'm sure our brave conservative government here in the US would never do something like this...

>>106370159 (OP)
Its funny that a year ago, when EU was gearing up to censor X because Musk wouldnt censor voluntarily, you wouuld get banned on /g/ for making threads about online censorship. Tranny jannies are infected

>>106370194
even the "muh based extreme far right" mi hazánk (((failed to show up))) to vote against it
everyone who did bother to show up voted for it
that's all you need to know about this shithole

>>106371127
your ISP

>>106370159 (OP)
I'm not talking to anyone online anyways

>>106370320
>even if all the undecided opposed that will still be 14 in favor vs 12 opposed
I think it also depends on population. Germany usually has more voting power than some tiny third world country

>>106370159 (OP)
>your own personal cloud
oxymoron

>>106370159 (OP)
socdem Europe is cucked beyond repair. imagine willingly putting a gimp gag on yourself.
>inb4 b-b-but it's govt doing, not people
you will vote for them again, cucks

>>106376662
But enough about Texas and red state porn bans.

>>106370159 (OP)
I use IRC so it's not my problem.

>>106370159 (OP)
It's not even legal in some EU countries that voted positive for this. You'd need a warrant to see messages. If this is approved it will face legal challenges. Many cases will be dropped.

>>106376703
don't care what burger savages do. I live in euro cuckland, and shit's going downhill around here fast.

>>106370159 (OP)
idc about it
normies are on it
and its basically the patriot act afaik
and considering euro politics my opinions are well within average, if not even milqutoast these days
glowies just dont pay attention to my occasional antisemitizm

>>106376662
if voting accomplished anything it'd be illegal >>106376448

>>106370545
Yes and no. The system, supposedly, does not link your account. You only tell if you're an adult or not. That's because of GDPR. In EU you cannot link your ID to any private company other than government entities. They may try but then it will face legal challenges. Of course this is all assuming they actually do what they're telling (they won't) and it's still a dog shit system that will escalate beyond it's initial design. They're already overreaching so why would they stop? Next they'll try to stop piracy by only allowing to access the internet on certified sites or some shit and after that they'll ban all sorts of content they don't morally agree like what they're doing with anime, and I don't mean just loli art, but also violence, sexy outfits, and all shit they're trying to censor today. EU has claimed time and time again that they want digital ID for everything, and that they want to internet to be policed like the real world. This will face legal challenges in many EU members and USA might retaliate but they don't care.

My country is full of retard boomers from communist era and they support all kinds of censorship and control because they've been buck broken from the very start.

>>106370159 (OP)
I'm french and as with 99% of the decisions taken by our government : nobody in the general population is "in favor" of this, we just dont have a choice because nobody is asking us. It's just like immigration, nobody voted for this. And the funny part is if they give you the opportunity to vote and you happen to vote wrong, they have a specific law (n.49.3) to revoke the vote and just pass the law without asking anyone. It's a joke of a democracy I hope heads start falling again soon, I just left the country entirely.

>>106370159 (OP)
Why are "Neutral" and "Undecided" separate, and why is the former in the same category as "Opposing"?

>>106376855
You can change it by overloading your system with new politicians. However that is a lot of effort so I understand people don't want to do it. You'll have to at one point.

You don't have the same protections as we do in Portugal. Spying without a warrant is unlawful here and high profile cases have been dropped because of that. That's why this message or cloud spying is pointless in Portugal and whoever approved this should be ashamed of himself. Unless the goal is autoremove, but companies are already doing that.

>>106376749
well, I guess we will never know if majority keeps voting socdem.
>>106376448
get a better far-right? maybe try lolberts next time, instead of going full nazi.

>>106370320
>>106376589
I cringe as I say this, but as the most IT advanced, privacy focused, and de facto EU leader, Germany is the only vote that matters and I think they'll actually vote against implement this.
https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/
https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/chat-control-eu-ombudsman-criticises-revolving-door-between-europol-and-chat-control-tech-lobbyist-thorn/
>>106376855
I don't think a single normal person in any country is in "favor" of this. I don't know who made the Bulgaria decision, clearly a retard, but this is never talked about anywhere. No votes, no nothing.
>>106376892
>Spying without a warrant is unlawful here
It's unlawful everywhere, and encryption backdoors can't be implemented safely, but this is a tale as old as time. Corrupt, and retard politicians, big megacorpo with a shitty surveillance product they hawk at government customers......

>>106376731
What about Israel? Stop being racist!!! If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear

>>106376958
>maybe try lolberts next time
we tried, they couldn't even qualify for local elections, let alone national

>>106376982
>I don't think a single normal person in any country is in "favor" of this
Irrelevant what people in EU think. What matters is what the elites of the EU want. Which is a narrative control. Domestic political narrative control to be exact.

>>106377028
yep
Romania tried to vote its way out of this mess, but then the EU intervened and put a puppet government in place

>>106377037
They did the same with Ukraine with the staged coup. They were also threatening that German election would be theirs as well. Poland's leftist gov got put incharge by EU and they're purging the conservative government completely by jailing all their political enemies

>>106377046
and thanks to the american military (nato) we can't even fix this the old fashioned way...

>>106370159 (OP)
>innocent photos
but mine aren't innocent

>>106370234
UKstan is not European.

>>106370320
Germany already has "hate crime" laws to arrest you for anything you say online.

>>106370159 (OP)
time to host your own email/chat-server

>>106376705
next step will be banning cryptography for anyone without a loicense.

>>106377096
or saying bad things about politicians...

>>106376819
I'm pretty sure the point is that while the website doesn't know who you are (it just gets some signed "is 18" token) the Digital Identity Wallet or w/e will know which sites you've authorized and which accounts. That's both easy to explain away (it would allow More Control as you can revoke your authorization!! or w/e) and is exactly in the street of what they obviously want from this system, which is stripping anonymity from the internet.
>USA might retaliate
I'm pretty sure the EU is completely OK with fracturing the internet. The entire EU-issued certificate mess would do that by design--OSes/browsers outside the EU would never ever add "a CA that you aren't allowed to do certificate transparency on and will mitm people" to their trust store, in fact other countries would see it as the national security issue it is (nothing would stop the EU from MITMing non-EU citizens if they still had this CA trusted ofc). Whereas within the EU the plan is to force browsers to deem all non-EU certs as "unsafe" (messaging would be "Site owner cannot be verified, do not enter anything sensitive"). They would rather break the internet apart than have it keep existing in a way they cannot police.
Even aside from all concerns about privacy or whatever. It's sad that nobody seems to consider the internet a piece of heritage to protect.

>>106370234
The UK has been an even worse dystopia than the rest of the EU combined, and without the EU, they playtested the age verification idea perfectly. The timing was incredibly convenient though, I wonder what's behind that.

>>106377026
Magyar is the closest to a lolbert since he is attacking Orban from the economic-right (he said "Orban calls himself a right winger, but he is not")

>>106377762
> the Digital Identity Wallet or w/e will know which sites you've authorized and which accounts.

It's not supposed to by design. The code will be opensource too. However that doesn't mean crap, they can do it anyway.

> I'm pretty sure the EU is completely OK with fracturing the internet.

I believe so too, until they start running out of money. This is not going to work if it's not normalized because companies will simply avoid EU and UK. It's already happening to UK.

I'm not disagreeing with you, mind you. I think you're right. The EU doesn't have good intentions and even if they do they don't see the implications of their actions. To me the stuck bottle caps sum up EU. Pointless rules that serve no one and just waste time and money.

>>106377888
I'm not sure but UN and WEF have been pressuring this for years. I know USA does not want to participate, only a minority of politicians. Japan is also furious about this and is about to retaliate in the near future. They've already shown cards, like suing Visa/Mastercard and expanding their own processors, like PayPay. However it could also be the Anglosphere and EU that wished for this since they've been also talking about digital ID, wallets, and age verification for years. So who knows? From my experience these guys are tribalists so it doesn't matter who started.

>>106378353
>I know USA does not want to participate, only a minority of politicians
Political culture is different in the US and people still have some rights. Bullshit like this is a lot harder to sell this there than in the EU.
The age verification nonsense by conservacucks shows the US is far from immune to these measures though.
>Japan
Literally the only non-shithole country on earth with people who are sensible about their privacy and their freedom of expression. I'm convinced it's due to their society not being infected by western style cults is the reason why they get to see clear.
Anglo countries are literally the most cucked shitholes in the world, then comes the EU. Whatever the force connecting them, they are in cahoots.

The EU is IRL-1984.
There is no way to fix this, because the people of the member countries have zero influence on the commission.
Von der Leyen may do as she likes and doesn't need to worry about anything, because the parties will keep protecting her against the people.

>Germany is undecided.
That's but a coverup, because the government is in too much stupid shit right now.
Remember: Von der Leyen is German. She is the mastermind behind all this ineffective Orwellian bullshit.

Usually I would congratulate the UK to its wise decision at this point, but they had to elect a surveillance socialist called Starmer, which means the difference to no Brexit will be close to zero.