Thread 106370607

I know so many people interested in ditching Windows, but they're all saying they're "waiting for SteamOS to be ready". Normies really put a lot of stock into Valve, and are hyping up the eventual general release of SteamOS as some tailor-made, hyper-optimized elite OS backed by billions of dollars, none the wiser that the Plasma desktop, drivers, kernel, etc are all existing open source software you can get on any other distro and have the exact same experience.

Is it possible to cure this naivety?

even the best operating system without software is useless waste of time, so Windows is the best

>>106370810
>without software
What doesn't Linux have?

>>106370814
Any productivity shit, all Linux has is hobby level bullshit.

>>106370814
CAD
Adobe
Anti-cheats
Logitech GHUB

>>106370831
>Any productivity shit
Libreoffice? If you need collaboration then everyone just uses Google Docs or Office 365 in a browser. There's also Krita and DaVinci Resolve

>>106370844
enjoy your lack of DAW software and poor support for VSTi

>>106370909
>lack of DAW software and poor support for VSTi
2016 called. They want their info back.

>>106370842
>CAD
But there's so many CAD options on Linux
>Adobe
Gimp, Krita, Inkscape, and Resolve
>Anti-cheats
Anti-cheats work on Linux; what doesn't work are kernel-level AC aka rootkits
>Logitech GHUB
You can define your bindings in Plasma settings instead of having to install specific programs for each vendor to map your programmable buttons lol

>>106370831
90% of software needed for productivity can be run in Linux, there are minor outliers and in those specific cases you would need windows but the same can be said about windows, there are plenty of things that are a pain in the ass do use windows for.

Linux is better for:
System Admin and IT
Software development
Science and Research

Windows is better for:
Corporate office environments (Excel macros, Outlook/Exchange, Teams).
Design/creative industry (Adobe, AutoCAD, 3DS Max).

>>106370989
humour thread

>>106371012
Where is your rebuttal?

>>106371033
mentioned software are toys and hobby projects, not real alternative with competetive functionalities

>>106371092
Explain, for each one listed?

>>106371125
CAD has no real alternatives, DAW software is most important for me personally - in that matter Linux is non-existent

>>106371092
>DaVinci Resolve is a toy
>Meme buttons on gaming mice aren't
Retard

>>106370831
Can I sun SAI Paint or Clip Studio Paint on linux

>>106371160
I've never used those even on windows. FireAlpaca and Krita are on Linux though

>>106370989
>Gimp, Krita, Inkscape, and Resolve
all the professional workflows are built with Adobe and Autodesk software in mind, not the bootleg freeshit

>>106371178
>DaVinci Resolve
>bootleg freeshit

>>106371141
plenty of cad works, only if ur cucked to adobe

>>106371180
yes Resolve is the only one used professionaly, imagine someone using fucking GIMP instead of Photoshop

>>106371198
I always hear people on /g/ say GIMP is impossible to use for serious work. Is it just baby duck syndrome, or are some things conceptually impossible on GIMP?

>>106370989
please stop suggesting Gimp along with the other options. it's a piece of trash that gives Linux a bad look

>>106370607 (OP)
Microsoft is a 2 trillion dollar company that has a vested interest in making direct x as Linux hostile as possible. Unless Apple acquires Valve and go to war it’s not happening

>>106371226
I guess you can use it if you're a masochistic solo freelancer and you can click really fast. But as soon as you're working in a team you just have to use whatever the rest of the team is using.

>>106371160
Clip Studio works in Wine, sort of. It's not unusable but glitchy.

>"There is no reason at all to use Adobe products when Linux offers competing alternatives like GIMP, Doodle Studio, FX Toolshed, Magic 8-Ball and Paint Zone."

>"Hey those alternatives all suck and no adult professional would ever find them acceptable. Have you even used them? Do you work in my field?"

>"No, I've never used them. Why would that matter?"

Every single time.

>>106371160
I used autodesk sketchbook for my /d/ art, but switching to krita gave me a lot of better options

>>106370607 (OP)
Watch the most recent Jayz2Cents attempt at Linux gaming, where Bazzite broke at startup and he was getting worse framerate on his 7900 XTX vs Windows. He was giving Linux as fair a shake as anyone. That's why people are waiting for Valve.
>>106371818
People just want to run their software, not join a distro cult. Imagine that. Remember how Firefox absolutely destroyed Internet Explorer back in the day? And it happened purely through word-of-mouth, "Hey, this browser is a lot better." If Linux was all it's cracked up to be, the same thing would happen.

What’s the proprietary alternative to calibre

>>106370607 (OP)
>no distro on earth will allow you to simply double click exe and have it behave exactly like windows programs, games, and obscure 3rd party tools like motherboard hardware controllers, bios updaters, and game cracks
>freetards actually think normies will accept this when a massive portion of advanced users regularly shit on linux because of that

Is it possible to cure this naivety?

>>106371910
Linux is never going to run all the software people want to run until the majority of users adopt linux.

a majority of users will never adopt Linux until it runs all the software people want to use.

see the problem? Even though Linux works fine for 95% of all usecases winblows users would rather cuck themselves and have Microsoft farm all their personal information to make money than suffer the pain of having 1-2 programs they want to use not work.

get over it. suffer the short term pain for the longterm good of everyone.

>>106372050
I personally don't see switching to Linux as the morally right thing to do. It's even more corporately cucked than Windows in many respects, where bullshit like Wayland and systemd are forced down your throat, whether you like it or not. If you want to go against IBM/Redhat/GNOME... say goodbye to what little software compatibility you once had. So no, I'm not going to sacrifice the programs I want to run on the alter of Linux. And I think you'll find that the more people actually do start adopting Linux, it's only going to get worse, not better. The repository-based, internet-dependent, no-backwards-compatibility, package-dependency-hell distro is a flawed foundation. (See >>106371990)

>>106370607 (OP)
Why do people think Valve will be any better at making a Linux distro than corporations that have been doing this for longer like Red Hat and Canonical?

>>106372211
Because of their work on the Proton compatibility layer which quite literally brought gaming to Linux.

>>106370607 (OP)
>the Plasma desktop, drivers, kernel, etc are all existing open source software you can get on any other distro and have the exact same experience
You've already filtered 90% of users right there
If its not a double click setup you've already failed

>>106370607 (OP)
>I could get this powerful car for free from the weird kid down the block who just likes to repair cars and give them for free
>I could buy the same car from a gentleman who just takes the free car from the kid and sells it to me
Normalfags will buy the car any day of the week, but you're too autistic to understand normalfags.

>>106372211
Because they have legitimate interest in making linux desktop useable for casuals.

>>106370814
Nice question, when someone answers you’ll reply with one of two repsonses:
>You don’t need that
>You can use X (which has <20% of the features).

>>106370607 (OP)
Once I get an Android tab that properly supports winlator, Windows can go bye bye.
That, or Huawei Harmony OS decoupling plan doesn't get cucked by the US glowies.

>>106372349
How does that differ from Red Hat and Canonical?

>>106372430
They're server oriented. Also pic related.

>>106372493
Astroturfers and brainwashing.

i use multi[le steamdecks in desktop mode
the problem is uptime
every 2-3 days they freeze up and need to be restatted
this is steam os doing this
its just not ready to be a long uptime desktop environment

>>106370989
Got hard called out by
>>106372355

>>106370607 (OP)
and when will they fucking release it?

>>106370607 (OP)
>Is it possible to cure this naivety?
If Valve yells loudest, that's what the masses will know first. Other Linux distros will remain underground.

Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here,autisticus hipsterus?

>>106370989
I use CAD and no there’s nothing better for housing or construction. Not a single linux geek understands the concept of building a house/building. FreeCAD is only machine parts, QCAD is only 2D and everything else is feature-less. No one even uses these in school, real world or concepts design.

>>106370607 (OP)
Haven you even used SteamOS?
The biggest benefit is the Steam client. You don't have to configure a single thing to play your games (though I don't know about anti-cheat games). The Steam client on any other distro, even the gaming oriented ones, makes you configure each game.

I tried Bazzite and it was tedious. Some of my games wouldn't even run no matter how I configured them. Not to mention it was glitchy as shit, visual issues on the desktop, etc.

People want a distro that lets you play games without tinkering, and SteamOS makes gaming with Steam as easy as on Windows.


Why the fuck are you even complaining that people want to switch to SteamOS anyways? Are you just mad people don't want to learn Linux and waste their time like you do?

>>106370607 (OP)
SteamOS is purely designed for a gaming handheld/DIY game console experience. I don't know why people keep thinking it's meant to be a general purpose distro.

>>106370909
Linux has: bitwig studio, studio one, pure data, reaper, vcv rack, and ardour.

>>106374463
>and waste their time like you do?
That is exactly what they are doing, though. I think you are accurate throughout your entire post, but some people just don't like stupid people being rewarded.

>>106370842
All of that can only be ported by people who own that shit
Go cry at their doorstep, it's their fault, valve has made vidya possible which is way more hardware demanding and latency sensitive, none of this is Linux's fault

>>106370607 (OP)
>Is it possible to cure this naivety?
Well, just tell them bluntly: "dumbass, that's just Arch customized for the 'eck, if you don't have a 'eck any mainstream distro will work just the same."

>>106371401
Explain

>>106372183
>where bullshit like Wayland and systemd are forced down your throa
Artix + xlibre

>>106372242
>If its not a double click setup you've already failed
But SteamOS offers the same DEFAULTS as all distros

>>106372242
Nothing has a fucking "double click setup" anymore bro
>download exe
>find where it downloaded to (many people struggle to do this)
>double click
>"you need an account"
>setup account
>open multiple browser windows to setup email verification
>purchase subscription and/or sign first-born child away in TOS
>wait for the entire HomoFagDeskOffice suite to download where it will run in the background and be nearly impossible to uninstall when all you needed was one fucking program
>click away every ad popup once it starts
>UI was designed to take up as many resources as possible
>however, the program is now theoretically usable
I fail to see how this is easier than
>sudo [package manager] install [software]

>>106374930
>sudo [package manager] install [software]
You don't even need to go that far. Just click "install" in Discover and be done.

>>106374463
>>106374482

No, F U. SteamOS is not what you claim, you can’t play games. You’re using Proton a software to make windows games work. There’s no games on Linux that works well enough for Steam.

You neglected to mention Valve anti-consumer practices. Proton is not entirely open source, the dumb reason why Steam Client exists is because Valve decided to control the library for Proton that we need to use in order to play games.

SteamOS can not be altered by the user. Linux has customized content but using SteamOS ultimately restricts you. Another fact is you’re being spied on, no other Linux spys on you. Supporting Valve Corp is no better than giving away your information to Microsoft, Google, Facebook and others.

Again F U Steamie and your claims.

>>106371910
>Jayz2Cents attempt at Linux gaming, where Bazzite broke at startup and he was getting worse framerate on his 7900 XTX vs Windows. He was giving Linux as fair a shake as anyone
Jayz is a disingenuous retard who didn't compare raytracing on vs off. You know, something that any WINDOWS benchmarker should do, let alone a Linux one.
>>106371818
Lol and Valve is going to solve this how?

>>106370607 (OP)
>Is it possible to cure this naivety?
I mean you can tell people "just install Arch with KDE and MangoHUD, you have 80% of the out-of-box Deck experience already" and they still won't do it.

**THAT SAID**... the Deck's UI is custom made outside of Desktop mode (which is KDE... 5...? right now, Valve is slow in updating compared to base Arch), the side-panels for pressing the "..." and "Steam" buttons doesn't work like they do in KDE Desktop outside the Deck (IIRC) and they're only in big-picture mode for non-Deck Steam installs right now.


>>106370842
>Adobe
You can run CS in WINE right this very moment.
>WAHH WAHH I NEED THE LATEST VERSION!
Then pay for a sub and run it in the browser.
>BUT I DON'T WANNA
Then install CS?
>BUT I WANT THE LATEST!
Which is web...? And a sub... which you really should avoid and tell Adobe to fuck off.

If anything, if more people go Linux the demand for half your list would increase and Adobe would eventually have to put their shit on Linux without people making workarounds.

>>106371092
>DaVinci isn't used in industry
Nigga, what?

>>106371226
It's:
>>106371178
>all the professional workflows are built with Adobe
It's why "GIMPshop" was a thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIMPshop

For better or worse (mostly better), Photoshop's UX is miles ahead of GIMPs and given how long it took to make GIMP 3.0, it's insane nobody in the GIMP team has gone "wait, the UX sucks..." and tried to fix it.

It's not necessarily "baby duck" it's that workflow/muscle memory is tied to Adobe's shit, so GIMP should REALLY try to make the transition easier on Adobe users, but they simply haven't.

>>106373900
No, RedHat is owned by IBM. IBM and MS working together for "Enteprise Linux" (RHEL is literally: "Red Hat ENTERPRISE LINUX") is reason enough to not suggest it/Fedora.

>>106372235
No it doesn’t bring gaming to Linux you stupid Corpo slave. You’re locked into Steam ecosystem, this is the same god dam thing that Apple Mac does with Swift only programming for their computers. Valve has repeatedly ignored requests for actual open source that doesn’t rely on Steam Client. 99% of Proton problems can be solved if Valve employees who control Proton on GitHub listen to the experts.

Proton is not an answer to Linux gaming. It should not be controlled by Valve. No one should be forced to sign up and lose their freedom from many legitimate reasons like class action lawsuits against Valve.

>>106375038
Retard, Proton is open source. You can use Proton's libraries with Wine, Lutris, Bottles, etc

Linux as a desktop is fucking crazy. I tried three times to convert, I used ubuntu every time with a gap of like 3yrs, and every single time it lasted a few months until an apt-get upgrade broke every fucking thing and caused an OS reinstall because X would be broken and then I'd get X in and my window manager in there is broken and I don't know the fuck why

>>106375203
>I used ubuntu every time
There's your problem. Shitbuntu is retarded.

>>106374999
UX is one thing, other thing is that when you find a critical bug in paid software a professional is usually fixing it within hours. freeshit? good luck searching on forums and waiting forever

>>106375305
Just ask ChatGPT and it will give you something to paste into the terminal

>>106370607 (OP)
>Is it possible to cure this naivety?
How long does it take to research and install all that crap over simply installing steamOS?

>>106370842
The only good anti-cheat is active and effective moderation.

>>106370607 (OP)
>Fixed emoticons from previous fan content bundles that were supposed to be permanent being unavailable
there's no reason to trust valve at all when it comes to your OS. 2 years ago valve sold you emoticons in dota2 for $20 for 3 and then broke them a month later. for 2 years valve never bothered to fix what you purchased from them because they're super rich elites so it's beneath them to waste their energy fixing something like. this year nobody purchased the $20 emoticons they tried to sell again because they haven't fixed the broken ones from 2 years ago. they finally decided to fix it 2 years late because they want more money

think about having these sort of pieces of shit controlling your OS? valve has skilled people but they're hacks and don't have any real work ethic outside of trying to reach into your pocket. once the novelty goes away they just abandon it.

>>106375335
These are all the defaults in every distro lol

>>106371587
So it doesn't work? Why troonix users lie all time?

>>106374939
>troonix, app store
Ö
>WINdows, app store
8O

>>106375216
Not him, but I've had the same experience on multiple distro. Every time I complain about it, I get exactly the same kind of replies
>don't use [distro] you retard, use [my distro] that is literally perfect and never has any problem

And then you get them to talk a little bit more and admit that their distro is constantly breaking, but it's fine because they manage to fix it.

>>106375482
Bazzite is idiot-proof.

>>106375459
It's glitchy on Windows too. The particular Windows glitch is "why the fuck did I lose 30% of my battery in 10 minutes?"

>>106375608
>Bazzite is image based meaning that after every update the previous version of the operating system is retained on your machine. Should an update cause any issues, you can select the previous image at boot time.
So it's designed with the idea that it's inevitably going to break and that the best way to deal with that is by raping your storage on a daily basis.

>>106370607 (OP)
>none the wiser that the Plasma desktop, drivers, kernel, etc are all existing open source software you can get on any other distro and have the exact same experience.
The same exact experience that versions don't work with each other and when you update you brake stuff and you have fix everything manually?

>>106375631
>So it's designed with the idea that it's inevitably going to break
Like Windows update?
>>106375636
Never happened to me.

>>106375646
I've never had windows update break or fail in anyway for me on w10, though I have to say that I was a late adopter (2022). One of the main reasons why I was a late adopter was because of all the horror stories about updates on 10 in the 2010s. But every linux distro I've ever tried had issues, even with minimal use. Arch-based ones are the worst in that regard.

>>106375664
>I've never had windows update break or fail in anyway for me on w10
Is it because it has the exact same system as Bazzite?

>>106370909

Reaper, BitWig and Ardour work natively on Linux. There's certainly no lack in professional grade DAW software on Linux.

When it comes to VST and VSTi, it really depends. I personally mostly use synthesizers, samplers and guitar amp sims. The stuff I use works natively on Linux.

The only thing I have to use Wine/Yabridge for is a drum sampler (I use ML Drums).

There might be plugins like NI Kontakt that could potentially cause trouble. I'm not sure about that, though. I don't rely on Kontakt libraries to begin with.

If you are producing electronic music, Linux is already 100% viable. If you can't make that work it's a skill issue.

>>106375964
Only reaper is good enough, both of the other options don't "just works™"

The truth is Linux adoption directly correlates with tech literacy of people. And some do their best to keep their literacy as low as it gets. Hence the low adoption and thus less software that is at least to a a certain standard in terms of usability.

>>106370607 (OP)
most people arent going to install an OS. if you want people to use linux you need to have linux installed on PC hardware that people want to buy. even most gaymers these days buy prebuilts. you may be able to convince a small contingent of gaymers to install linux and a "all batteries included" distro will be what they want as a beginner.
way back when I started using linux i was scared of touching xorg.conf because of stories that it destroyed monitors if you configured it wrong. modern zoomers today probably feel similar about formatting filesystems and installing DEs today.

>>106370814
Apoequalizer, musicbee, no, I do not want an alternative

>>106370607 (OP)
CachyOS is kinda taking off. It's being memed as the next best thing basically (that's a good thing. It's decent)

>>106371178
adobe is getting ditched by everyone because of their shady practices, like stealing your work to train their shitty AI

>>106374422
>No one even uses these in school, real world or concepts design.
https://www.youtube.com/@JohnHeisz
he uses FreeCAD

>>106372183
>where bullshit like Wayland and systemd are forced down your throat, whether you like it or not.
artix, devuan and the like exist

>>106374951
some of their work goes back into wine, and if you're a masochist like me you can just rawdog wine and buy/pirate gog releases
I don't have a steam account either and I never will

>>106371185
>only if ur cucked to adobe
or Solidworks
or any Autodesk product
or Catia
etc.

>>106372183
*altar

>>106371141
>>106371125
NTA but Reaper works fine for me, at least. I guess Ardour also works if you're gay enough to record actual rock bands or acoustic slop but anything MIDI always feels fucky. I like drawing in Krita just fine, though the last version of Photoshop I used was before Creative Suite as a kid. My friend also prefers Krita over Photoshop and he has a Macintosh. I've never used any CAD or Blender other than OpenSCAD, which i'm sure sucks for most professional purposes but was good enough for me to hammer out some shapes well enough quickly for my friend to understand and build (after i printed them). Mixxx is also pretty decent but lacks presets for new 4 channel devices. They're all more than decent, really, until you have to share files with coworkers. Heck, Mixxx doesn't even have an export function to other Mixxx instances. As long as you work alone or record/print your output most open source software beats freeware and cheap proprietary alternatives.

>>106370607 (OP)
Thats not the point. It's not the point that steam OS is going to officially release and it's going to be amazing and dethrone windows on day 1. Some people may believe that but all I care about is who is eventually right.

The point is if you can make one flavor of linux overwhelmingly dominant and have a lot of market share, work on linux will stop being so fragmented and more work and support will be focused on steam OS. That's more native apps, more native games. There's no linux I can use today that gives me the same experience as a linux distro that's popular and has mainstream support.

>>106370607 (OP)
If people wanted to ditch Windows they would've done it by now. The fact is that linux doesn't really offer anything new or better, in fact it's the opposite. You need to read manuals and troubleshoot every single thing just to make it work kinda like windows and even then, it never feels as smooth or simple to use.

>>106378371
>more work and support will be focused on steam OS
It is literally impossible to do this because it's an immutable distro. All you will get are Flatpaks that can run on any distro.

>>106379346
How many manuals do you need to browse the web on KDE Plasma?

>>106375203
>X11
Have you tried Weyland?

just install endeavorOS if you're already thinking about using SteamOS

>>106370607 (OP)
if valve can perfect linux and make it usable by the normies then so can canonical
so can red hat
so can suse
IF IT WAS THAT FUCKIN EASY SOMEONE WOULD HAVE DONE IT BY NOW

>>106380303
Why not CachyOS? It's got zram, snapshots, codecs and drivers preconfigured

>>106370989
Rootkits work just fine on Linux when the developers deign to enable support for them, which is good because if Linux has any hopes of replacing Windows for gaming, it’s going to need to be able to play games.

>>106380328
I'd really recommend you to stay away from Cachy, at least from my experience. I tried Cachy and wanted to like it, but I'm back to EndeavourOS. It's more stable, mature and it's just Arch with a graphical installer and some minimal sane pre-configurations and changes (basically the only noteworthy change is dracut instead of mkinitcpio) ready for you to set up and customize to your liking. Cachy is the exact opposite of that. Bloated, to opinionated, way too many non standard configurations, some questionable choices made, and to top it all off, I really don't like the community around it. Endeavour's community is way nicer and more friendly.

If anything you could add the CachyOS kernel and repos to EndeavourOS or Arch to profit from the optimizations, but from my experience not even that is worth it as I didn't notice any notable performance improvements. Might make some numbers in benchmarks go up, but in the real world, you won't notice much difference. The hype around CachyOS will die down pretty fast imo. EndeavourOS is a well rounded, stable and mature distro and definitely the better choice. It clearly knows what it wants to be (which is an as close to pure Arch as possible, but easy to install and ready to go distro), while Cachy tries to do way too much at once without putting too much thought into it before making the decisions.

It's your machine though so do what you think is best.

>>106370814
No HWINFO64 alternative is the biggest Linux killer for me right now. Second probably being a decent way to tweak GPU parameters. I don't know about Nvidia, but using AMD on Linux IS SAD. CoreCtrl is a massive turd.

Niche programs like Hotel management, Dyno panels, Car tuning in general (GM, Holley Suite, etc.), will never work on Linux either, and those are just what I interact with personally. Only God knows what else is out there. And I'm not even gonna get started on productivity tools.

Linux for the desktop is quite literally a hobby OS for unproductive schizos and trannies.

>>106380394
>Bloated
?
>to opinionated
If having codecs working by default is opinionated then I love these opinions
>profit from the optimizations
I don't care about the placebo compiler flags; I care about Cachy having shit like zram, snapshots, codecs and drivers working out of the box.

>>106380446
>yeah linux is for tinkertrannies because uuuh i can't tinkertranny the rgb lights on my radeon card

>>106370844
>Any productivity shit
>Instantly assumes we're talking about MS word
get a job you bum

>>106370989
There is absolutely no CAD software for Linux that comes remotely close to a production workload. Yeah, it's great for le Linux youtuber to 3d print his meme organisational grid system but not for actual work.

>>106380480
You know I'm not talking about RGB, spineless retard. CoreCtrl UX is shit, support isn't the same between Radeon Series, even if they're not that old. Linux itselfs caps the TPD of those GPUs way below where it should be too for reasons that nobody can explain, the fan control is absolute dogshit, and the list goes on and on.

Talking just about a simple software to control the only GPUs that work well on this pos of an OS. Not even AMD cares, they just dump whatever to the kernel and call it Linux support.

>>106380498
US military uses cad that runs on linux

https://brlcad.org/

>>106371178
muh professional workflows
fucking permabeg nodraw faggot you don't draw.
many of the top artists (people who actually draw/paint) use exclusively krita. and it keeps improving every year it gets better. and it doesn't fucking nag you and threaten to invalidate your license key if you switch computers.

>>106380546
> CoreCtrl UX
> Power Delivery of GPU s

that's hobbyist shit No one in production environments cares about this

>>106380583
>many of the top artists (people who actually draw/paint) use exclusively krita
lmfao. may we see the artists you are talking about?

>>106380546
All of that is tinkertranny garbage I've never thought about once on Windows nor Linux.

>>106380566
Proof that baby duck syndrome is the only reason Linux haters complain about MUH CAD or MUH ADOBE

>>106370607 (OP)
Normies could not give a fuck about "ditching Windows", they probably don't even understand that their Steam Deck "console" runs an OS. It's steamtrannies, an incestuous abomination born from redditors and archtrannies, who previously championed other game changing Valve inventions, like:
>mandatory bloatshit launcher + storefront shipped with a highly anticipated sequel (still evil when EA, Ubisoft, Epic or Activision does it!)
>bundling a "sequel" to your most beloved franchise with a 1000usd periphery
>adding fuckass social media elements to your gaming app (I made fun of consolecucks when they got the same functionalities 10 before, but actually this is heckin based! check out my avatar frame!)
>no used games DRM (10 years before Xbox tried to do the same and it killed their entire brand)
>turning a beloved multiplayer game with a diminished but dedicated fanbase into a free to play, cosmetics microtransaction shitfest
>making a ripoff a massively popular game then constantly shilling it to the captive audience tied to your launcher, end up splitting the player base and destroying the original title's momentum (did this like 5 different times)
>exploiting your monolithic market position by taking a larger cut on your storefront than anyone else does (but when Apple does it on the iOS store they...le bad!)
>stalinist purges of negative reviews on major publisher's games
>selective, completely arbitrary censorship (Hatred and pro-Palestine game removed for "glamorizing terrorism", never had an issue with the civilian massacre level in Modern Warfare though)
>allowing criminal organizations to profit off of turning children into degenerate gamblers (would take 5 minutes to nuke the entire operation by changing the API, but then you wouldn'get your cut)

>>106370831
What you mean by productivity is hobby shit in the real work world.

>>106380882
>bundling a "sequel" to your most beloved franchise with a 1000usd peripheral
NOOO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO INNOVATE AND MAKE GAMES WITH NEW TECHNOLOGY!!

>>106371092
Ragebait is the lowest tier of bait

>>106380882
>selective, completely arbitrary censorship (Hatred and pro-Palestine game removed for "glamorizing terrorism", never had an issue with the civilian massacre level in Modern Warfare though)
You are an insane leftist

>>106371178
No they're not. Most professional work doesn't use Adobe, Microsoft Office or any CAD at all. It's almost always a custom desktop, web, or mobile application made for that specific purpose. Need examples? Super markets, restaurants, government institutions, schools, shops, hotels, cinema, etc. all of those use custom desktop, web or mobile applications. They don't use word, adobe or cad.

What you are talking about is not the majority, it's the minority. You use that if you're an artist, a business suit, or an engineer, and all of those have alternative software. Heck most professional workflows don't give a crap about computers. They're just an annoying tool for most workers.

>>106381107
>You use that if you're an artist
Linux is superior for artists since you don't need to hunt down a [BRAND] stylus for a [BRAND] tablet PC. If your tablet's screen uses a Wacom digitizer, you can use any Wacom stylus.

>>106381107
learn to read retard. he was talking about graphic software. your "examples" run in 99% on Windows anyway

>>106380964
back in the oven schlomo

>>106380446
>Linux for the desktop is quite literally a hobby OS for unproductive schizos and trannies.
Plus productive office workers and artists. Oh right, the pros all got "killed off" in favor of total retards writing prompts for Stable Diffusion, if you subscribe to that delusional narrative. Wake me up when you find a dozen companies recommending to other companies to replace their graphic design pros for minimum-wage schmucks who type prompts into image gen software.

>>106375216
>Shitbuntu is retarded.
Ubuntu is the best, techlet.

>>106371818
>"There is no reason at all to use Adobe products when Linux offers competing alternatives like GIMP, Doodle Studio, FX Toolshed, Magic 8-Ball and Paint Zone."
>"Hey those alternatives all suck and no adult professional would ever find them acceptable. Have you even used them? Do you work in my field?"
>"No, I've never used them. Why would that matter?"
Every single time

>>106372211
because it's a high stake for valve, if steamOS is a sucess valve will become gigahuge. Normies are already tired of windows but can't switch because there's no alternative.

>>106381839
Wrong. He was talking about games, adobe, cad and mouse software. You read one reply and made assumptions.

Yes Windows can run the same software. What does that have to do with most professional workplaces using custom software and none of what regular people usually think?

consoles are so shit now the normies want to turn PCs into consoles

>>106380446
Another anon that doesn't know what productivity is. Your car hobbies are not productivity.

>>106384170
i cant remember the last time needed anything but an app

>>106382091
How?

>>106370607 (OP)
Who's ditching windows? 10 transgender people?

>>106371001
everything listed most people use windows/mac for

>>106375143
No you can’t use Proton libraries, many projects that require fixing Valve’s mistakes aren’t fix. One of the huge issues is the library being locked down. So no it’s not open source because Linux community should have fix Proton libraries issues way before it was a problem. Valve has made Proton dependent on Steam Client for everything, Valve owns Steam, you are locked into Steam only ecosystem.

ITT Gaslighting trannies

>>106386047
>No you can’t use Proton libraries
If it's open source then yes the fuck you can. Proton-GE exists as a testament to this. There's even custom Proton forks made for potato PCs.

>use group policy and network layer packet filtering to avoid telemetry/co-pilot shit
>install WSL for Linux a subsystem when needed
Have privacy, compatibility AND Linux all within one OS. Anything else is a fools errand. For work or severs sure Linux is alright. But for personal daily driver, let alone gaming? Lmao

>>106386926
It is impossible to disable all the telemetry on Windows. It is impossible to make core system components not be written with JavaScript. It is impossible to have single-digit CPU usage. It is impossible to use less than 4GB of RAM after a cold boot. Windows 11 is SHITE.

>>106386964
t.

>>106387018
>optimisation bad...

Plasma 6 is a buggy hot garbage desktop.

Over a year and a half since its release and they STILL havent fixed audio sliders lagging when audio is playing and multiple visual bugs on this garbage desktop related to audio, meanwhile in cinnamon/linux mint/LXQT, literally any other linux desktop environment has no issues moving audio sliders and there's zero cracking or stuttering in audio.


Plasma 5 X11 just werked the sliders and audio just werks. Plasma 6 is just garbage I don't know what went wrong and what they are smoking at KDE.

They utterly trashed their desktop into the ground.

>>106386047
Not only you can do that but there's also a project by gloriouseggroll that unifies wine and proton: https://github.com/Open-Wine-Components/umu-launcher

>>106387249
werkz fine here buy a better pc poorfag

>>106371818
>"You don't need those programs"

>>106382826
>adult professional
kek

>>106371990
>and obscure 3rd party tools like motherboard hardware controllers, bios updaters
This shit is cancer and only exists because winshit doesn't have proper infrastructure. For updates in Linux we have LVFS, for motherboard hardware controllers there should be proper drives in kernel, while wincucks are basically using malware that gives full access to memory to an unprivileged user.

>>106375335
Lol, have you seen how SteamOS install process looks like?

>>106371990
>no distro on earth will allow you to simply double click exe and have it behave exactly like windows programs, games, and obscure 3rd party tools like motherboard hardware controllers, bios updaters, and game cracks
This is pretty much the reason I got out of Linux. Package managers are such a garbage concept, or at least how they are necessary to manage the insanity of the file system. Just let me throw my shit into a single folder where I specify and let it run you fucks. Why do we need eleventy billion distros that all do the same thing but with different levels of autism with the minimum autism being moderate?

>>106379346
Sure you don't need to read anything to disable telemetry and anti-virus on Windows.

>>106382030
>this is how you share games before steam
>shares exe
Zoomer alert

>>106382063
>Wake me up when you find a dozen companies recommending to other companies to replace their graphic design pros for minimum-wage
Have you walked out of your neet cage and looked at the ads on the street? Advertising companies already did.

>>106387249
>being this schizo about audio slider
It doesn't even lag unless you swing it like with Parkinson syndrome

>>106388247
>Why do we need eleventy billion distros that all do the same thing but with different levels of autism with the minimum autism being moderate?
Because they're right and you're fucking retarded wintoddler who don't have any computer culture and literacy?

>>106370607 (OP)
Linux is still janky and unintuitive in all of it's iterations(some more, some less, but it's not a comfortable alternative yet) so people who want to abandon Windows hope for someone professional to take care of Linux to make it comfortable to use. It's that simple.

>>106370814
>garbage DAW
>garbage video editor
>garbage image editor
>garbage industrial 3d modeling software
>no retro compatibility or eco systems

it's useless outside of server applications

>>106389854
False on every count

>>106384165
what does that have to do with the topic of the thread?

>>106370607 (OP)
These people are convenience chasers. All the different linux distros confuse people so Valve "making" their own feels like the safest backed option to them.

>>106388316
macOS has a trillion dollar company behind and it still cannot compete with Windows. it's over

>>106370607 (OP)
People want something that actually works and is consistent, not some barely working frankenstein maintained by some losers who can have a meltdown and change everything or just end development tomorrow. Same reason companies go for RedHat shit.

>>106389854
>garbage DAW
99% of music is made with FL Studio and it is by far the worst DAW in existence; I'm sure Linux DAWs can make music just fine.

>>106370989
So it doesnt have any of those. But here are a bunch of shit alternatives kek. The fucking state of lintroons

>>106391353
>shit alternatives kek.
Explain why each alternative is shit: go

>>106391257
macOS is also a shitty ecosystem no one but ifags want to be into, you also have to buy their crappy, overpriced and locked down hardware

>>106370607 (OP)
We had the same discussion a couple hundred thousand times already. Normalfags don't trust random OS guy from the internet. Put a company behind him, that can be accountable and promises to make shit secure and functional, and now they trust the OS.

>>106370607 (OP)
Teach kids how to use a computer in school, I mean really use a computer, actually do administrative tasks, not just visiting websites on a Chromebook, and then sustain this practice for 20 years.
THEN people will stop begging for a system that's as retard friendly as windows for casual use but doesn't bug them with ads and mainstream news. They want that, because they don't know how to use a computer.

>>106391368
nonexistent or very limited support. Resolve is an exception and shouldn't be in the list since it's just a free demo of the Studio version

>>106370607 (OP)
They want a system maintained by non-retards, which actually care about user experience.

>>106371818
It's exactly like busfags talking about cars.

>>106388291
Computer culture is Windows. You are thinking of subculture.

>>106393676
But... Linux Racemixing Tips told me...

>>106393676
Just because it's not viable now doesn't mean they're not working on it.

>>106393676
they said that to not be sued by ms into oblivion, imagine a company telling yeah we will just replace windows. they won't let them do.

>>106393933
They?

>>106394425
exactly

>>106393905
I dont think they care for normal desktop tho. Steamos is built with steamdeck specific stuff in mind to the point it lacks some normal drivers i think. Valve has not that much to gain from pushing a normal-ish linux distro (but who knows how long ms gives them a reason to be fair)

>>106386964
>It is impossible to have single-digit CPU usage.
Techlet, your incompetence cannot be used as a standard.

GIT GUD, loser

>>106370814
still waiting for a good foobar2k replacement
before you reply with your tranny nigger shit software kindly do the needful and read >>106372355

>>106370607 (OP)
In my case, I've already used SteamOS by virtue of owning a Steam Deck. I like that it's user-friendly and works out of the box. Can't say the same for most other distros. You have to understand that the vast majority of Windows migrants-to-be don't want to put in MORE work in understanding an OS.

>>106394784
GabeN still hates Microsoft to this day. He'll put out SteamOS for free (which is the plan that Valve has already said multiple times) just out of spite.

>>106395835
He was an ex microshit employee who only made Valve possible after he sold half of his stocks. Likely sold it again later on when it was worth a fuck load more. He hated microshits corporate structure like ex apple employees' hated its cult like organization and user base.

>>106388283
Doesn't lag in LXQT. Also plasma 6 is just bad in general. The window manager is slow and sucks. Switching windows is slow.

The KDE decorations store are half assed with malware in them that has verifiably deleted and infected people's machines. They are SVG garbage laggy shit which can't even properly minimize and maximize without stuttering plastered all over the front page.

Fuck plasma 6 and fuck wayland.

>>106395684
>Techlet, your incompetence cannot be used as a standard.
Open task manager.

>>106393195
>Resolve is an exception and shouldn't be in the list since it's just a free demo of the Studio version
The Studio version has always been on Linux, so what is your point?

>>106395781
>good foobar2k replacement
There are dozens of audio players that all do the exact same shit. DeaDBeeF, Audacious and Quod Libet are meant to be foobar2k alternatives, and foobar2k itself runs through Wine.

>>106397129
Can any of them add songs autonomously to a playlist?

>>106372211
because red hat and the like are concerned with servers and security, not gaming and entertainment

>>106370607 (OP)
>Is it possible to cure this naivety?
its just the latest excise not to switch, they never were going to to begin with.
>I'll switch when c-current Windows goes out of support this time!

>>106398659
excuse*

>>106371160
short answer: just switch to windows

>>106375203
>I used ubuntu every time
Id switch back as well, lol

>>106380446
>Niche programs like Hotel management, Dyno panels, Car tuning in general
Have you even tried? WINE will likely just handle those just fine.

>>106393676
And it will never be viable. It's a game-console OS. However, all the processes that make it a game console work fine on most other distros. The meat of steamOS is actually Proton, valve's WINE API that makes most games work fine on linux. People just don't try it.

>>106370607 (OP)
SteamOS being immutabile makes perfect sense for a game console and it doesn't matter for most usecases, but it's pretty annoying if you have to do anything remotely advanced, helping my friend set-up a gamecube adapter, which for whatever reason doesn't have a in-tree driver, was pretty annoying compared to how it would have been in a conventional distro.

>>106399258
I hate immutable distros so god damn much

>>106371092
idk what planet you are on but here on planet earth there are multiple programs that can configure logitech mice on linux

>>106370607 (OP)
I don't buy games on Steam so it would be useless to me. What's the point logging into a proprietary platform as an OS? I buy only on GOG because they have offline installers as dogs intended. While I prefer linux for pretty much everything i use debloated Windows for games, because it just works. I wouldn't even know how the fuck would I mod my games on a closed fucking platform with ephemeral/immutable system like Steam OS. I guess it saves game data to cloud or some other bullshit like that. Fuck this. If I were to game on Linux I would need to setup these proton thingies without Steam on normal system which is already too much hassle. I don't want to go back to fucking around with wine. I wasted so much time in the past on this and it never worked well. I fucked up by buying CPU without igpu. If I ever upgrade I will have igpu so I can do GPU passthrough for games.

>>106380328
>>106380463
>muh codecs
is this debian mental illness? Ive been using arch for the past 12 years and Ive never had to "install and configure codecs", wtf does it mean

>>106393858
Linus is fucking annoying, he knows literally nothing about software

>>106400649
>immutable
that just means the system partition, not your home directory.
also pretty sure you can just add your gog games as a "non-stean" game inside steam and run it through proton anyway

>>106372235
Proton was made possible with dxvk which was made by one giga based linux autist that valve essentially poached.
That alone doesn’t guarantee SteamOS isn’t going to suck in other ways.

>>106374422
AutoCAD only has a monopoly because it buys out every competitor it can.
FreeCAD only exists because it’s got a LGPL license and is essentially buyout proof.

>>106370607 (OP)
It's not possible to cure it because you don't even understand what you are talking about. You live in your own Linux fanboy head and don't understand what people who just want a functioning OS are interested in.

People aren't excited because they think Valve wrote the whole thing from scratch or something, they are hopeful because they think a real company having a real interest in a desktop Linux OS actually working and serving a real end-user audience might mean that this OS will actually work properly and support all their hardware and use cases out of the box. They want their GPUs to just work (yes, even NVIDIA), they want their games to just work, they want performance to ALWAYS be on parity with Windows (or better), they want everything to be stable and to never crash and so on. They hope that a real company putting their name behind an OS will mean that this company will actually care about its quality to a degree far beyond what some volunteer-run distro is capable of.

Of course, Valve does not, in fact, offer SteamOS as a general-purpose OS for every computer out there, precisely because ensuring proper compatibility and performance across all possible custom PC builds is actually difficult. That's why they started with the Steam Deck, their own hardware platform where they have control over everything and as such can focus on getting everything to work (and even on the Deck, I've seen things break that really shouldn't). They're branching out slowly, because it isn't easy and I don't think a true general-purpose, official SteamOS is going to pop up in the near future.

>>106370844
Isn't it very difficult to install Davinci Resolve on most GNU/Linux operating systems; and don't they also have a lack of codec support? Mainly for h264 and h265?

>>106380446
I switched from CoreCtrl to LACT

>>106380498
If it's for work then your employer supplies the PC. I'm not using that shit at home, so I use Linux (Ubuntu) because I fucking hate windows. The worst part of my work day is every second I interact with Windows.

>>106375203
The common denominator is you, I've never had Ubuntu break just from updating packages via apt.
Everything is Wayland now anyway so you won't be breaking X anymore.

>>106379346
>You need to read manuals
Hey boomer, you just ask chatgpt these days

>>106370831
>>106370842
you can run all these on linux too with looking glass (or any other vfio based hypervisor setup)

>>106404312
It's easy as on Fedora, just download davinci helper.

>>106404312
What makes you say that? Installation is worse than most Linux software (can't use a repository) but it's functionally the same as installing on windows
>extract
>double click install script
>go through install wizard

>>106405652
Dependencies tho

>>106407958
Such as? Are you going to give an example or are you just going to spout nonsense.

only poor people limit themselves to using 1 computer, just boot the windows computer or the mac computer when you need some random program for that, otherwise use linux

>>106408410
Resolve on Linux by design only officially supports CentOS and Rocky Linux, and its installer is only going to install whatever dependencies are relevant to those particular distros. That's why third-party tools like DaVinci Helper are handy for installing it on other distros—moreover, Resolve on Linux is not very good with AMD GPU's since Resolve is based entirely around CUDA.

>>106405554
I understand that tools such as Davinci Helper exist for fedora users, but generally speaking isn't it a hassle to get davinci resolve up and running on other distros?

>>106408511
There's all kinds of trickery you have to do on Arch and Debian. Just not worth it

>>106370607 (OP)
Install CachyOS

>>106371818
https://forum.mattkc.com/viewtopic.php?t=336 just install photoshop on linux, but only faggots "work" with adobe products.

>>106370842
>logitech ghub
lmfao what's next, you need to run driver booster pro aswell?

>>106370607 (OP)
Funny as it sounds people just like their logos and UIs familiar. Steam is much more recognizable logo than that weird linux thing, so it has better chances to attract normies.
Adobe software still exist for the same reason. Blender is better graphical suite and Resolve is much better NLE, but people still cling to familiarity of Adobe.
Can't say anything about CADs cause im engineeringlet.

>>106410693
When it comes to switching to different graphical applications that open certain file types, familiarity is a problem but not as big of a problem as making sure you can actually open all your old files and have them work right.
Effectively, when you use proprietary software to do something, you're effectively letting your data get held hostage.

>>106386047
retard lmao

>>106386964
Pic related is with these background programs running at startup: Steam, Discord, Desktop Gadgets, OfficeClicktoRun. The right-hand side is me web browsing and listening to a video in the background. Granted, this is with Defender disabled on Windows 10 IoT LTSC. Point is, that it runs faster and lighter than any fully-featured linux distro I've tried. Most importantly, I can run all of my software perfectly. On laptops, even on older systems, it's no contest. Windows 10 is leagues better in terms of battery life and optimization.
>>106397129
Foobar2000 runs like garbage through wine. The UI is bugged. Winamp visualizations don't work, even with dxvk installed on the prefix. All the freetard replacements don't have basic things like browsing via folder structure, converters and tagging.

>>106414011
>. Point is, that it runs faster and lighter than any fully-featured linux distro I've tried. Most importantly, I can run all of my software perfectly. On laptops, even on older systems, it's no contest. Windows 10 is leagues better in terms of battery life and optimization.
Four gigs on cold boot, retard. That's fucking atrocious. Winjeets are incompetent.

>>106414011
>Point is, that it runs faster and lighter than any fully-featured linux distro I've tried.
Lol, what a load of bull.
Here's Steam, qBittorent, Librewolf playing video, mumble client, qemu VM, Telegram client, Nextcloud, Synching

>>106414919
>That's fucking atrocious.
That's with years of customization and updates. All the programs I need are booted up and ready to go. You'll find the same or worse on any linux distro with a full-featured DE like Gnome of KDE. Of course, you can get that cold boot number way lower - less than 2 gigs on a fresh install of Windows. And even lower still on systems with fewer resources, since Windows is actually good at squeezing itself into a limited amount of RAM. My dad runs his Windows 10 on an old 4 gig Dell desktop with a celeron processor and it performs a lot better than Linux Mint ever did. Linux distros don't work anywhere near as well for older machines as they're often advertised... unless you're running puppylinux or some other xfce-based thing.
>>106414939
Uhh, your supercomputer wins?

>>106415052
That's some ripe bullshit, anon. Incredible. Windows still sucks though, I can see it right there. None of your excuses matter. It's really not even a debate, I'm just here to see how much you'll debase yourself.
rope, now.

>>106370814
Niche emulators only used by 1 person, that are Windows only and don't exhibit crashes under Proton