Thread 106372569

>>106372569 (OP)
Cringe.

>ls -> eza
a fine choice.
>nushell
another fine choice.

I use some of these but not because of speed except ripgrep.

>>106372569 (OP)
Software is automatically le correct because it was complied in language I like. It’s blazingly fast, fearlessly concurrent, and memory safe, and logic error free—aaaaaaack.

>>106372569 (OP)
eza, fd, ripgrep and nushell are all great.

>>106372569 (OP)
I like eza

>>106372569 (OP)
Those miliseconds add up.

>>106372569 (OP)
>correct software
now they outright lie to shill their favorite language?

>>106372569 (OP)
What is wrong with any of those GNU utils?

>>106372569 (OP)
fd and rg literally blew my mind. There so much better I don't even know wtf.

>>106373557
Nothing, but there are nicer and often better performing alternatives, especially for interactive use.

>>106372569 (OP)
https://github.com/johnalanwoods/maintained-modern-unix

>>106372569 (OP)
follow the numale if you will

>>106372569 (OP)
I hate to admit it but when it comes to bat, fd, ripgrep, and eza I must kneel to the Rustards. They are great.

>>106372569 (OP)
I tried ripgrep and duf, also fdfind I think. Trannies were like
>just alias them, sister <3, they're literally like the original except better x3
Then it turned out they're not actually compatible.

Can someone explain to me why rust cultists have to replace everything they use with rust alternatives regardless of whether they are compatible or not? I can't think of any other language where its users do this.

>>106373729
they got tired of hearing about how rust isn't used anywhere "irl"

>>106373719
I alias them so I don't have to change my muscle memory when typing in a terminal. I use fish anyway, so I already run most scripts with vanilla bash

>>106373729
I don't see why anyone would be against this. The GNU tools are almost universally regarded as huge pieces of shit.

>>106373719
>Then it turned out they're not actually compatible
RIP ripgrep
>>106373729
NIH syndrome, thinking new is always better, not realizing that some software can just be done at a certain point

>>106373834
It has nothing to do with GNU. It's every piece of software they use

>>106373854
>not realizing that some software can just be done at a certain point
You know people probably said that about sh and more back in the day

>>106372569 (OP)
>correct software
>its correct because i like it

>>106373919
and you think they were wrong or what..?

>>106372569 (OP)
>nushell
Personally i think nushell is okay if you're willing to completely relearn commands youv'e used for decades. Idk why they couldn't just keep support for old commands

>>106373998
>completely relearn commands youv'e used for decades
like what

>>106373729
>rust cultists
It's genuinely easier to program i n Rust than it is in C for most of these tasks. Simple as. Non-programmers like yourself wouldn't understand.

>software remains at static, if not lower runtime
>computational resource goes up exponentially
>op: I must find more dicks to suck at any cost

>>106374011
Also this isn't even just a "Rust" thing. A lot of you live under a fucking rock. Vast majority of people have long since moved on from C to better languages like C++ or even higher level ones simply because the functionality and productivity from them outweighs any benefit you get from being an autistic spaz in C.

>>106372569 (OP)
>dust, fd, ripgrep
I use it every day it's awesome.

>>106374011
the HRT must be killing your reading comprehension because my post had nothing to do with how easy it is to program in the languages

>>106373802
>I alias them so I don't have to change my muscle memory when typing in a terminal
That's what I wanted too, but then I got fucked over when some commands wouldn't work as I expected them. The only one I have aliased is batcat, that's very useful.

>>106372569 (OP)
is there any proof that any one of these are better than the GNU version

>>106374151
Some of them make the output look nice and colorful, which feels a lot better.

>>106374254
?????

>>106374254
lol

seems dumb

>>106372569 (OP)
>correct software
>unsafe code in all of the performance-critical portions

>>106372569 (OP)
I use ag instead of grep. I might look at using fd because it is fewer characters to type than find but all the rest of those look retarded and I can't be bothered to alias them or whatever. The GNU tools just work for my use cases.

>>106372569 (OP)
ripgrep-all is pretty sweet.

>>106372569 (OP)
Would be completely fine if their intentions were just to make something different, but it's to orbit on the "safety" and "correctness" retardation

>>106374532
cd code
cd
!cd

>>106373729
brainwashed by the corpos, look it up none of these alternatives are GPL

>>106372569 (OP)
If there are better utilities than GNU, then why are they still used?

>>106375331
it's a trade off, gnu utilities may be slower but they have a lot of useful extensions
it turns out having these extensions is better than reducing how long a command line utility takes from 1.5ms to 1ms, especially because a lot of shell scripts rely on them
same thing with clang, idgaf if it theoretically produces a better binary if i have to spend hours modifying my code to remove GCC extensions

retarded. it's all it is. GNU utils have worked perfectly fine for decades. Trannies must invert, chop off, mutilate and change everything. Trannies will tranny.
>You saved 0.2 ms running a comand! THIS IS REVOLUTIONARY AND CORRECT!

>>106372569 (OP)
>cd is too slow
What?

>>106376203
Just your average Rust derangement

>>106372569 (OP)
lemme guess, these (((alternatives))) are all written in (((rust))) and use a cuck license instead of GPL

>>106375096
stop noticing, goy

>>106376217
of course, rust-trannies are useful idiots and they are even proud using these licenses like MIT

>>106376229
what's wrong with me MIT license?

>>106374532
>you will fork and exec each time you want to cd
Why are troons like this?

How is it possible than Troonix has become even more trannified? It's like transcription

>>106372569 (OP)
Everytime I measure the performance of gnu software compared to rust alternatives the gnu software is faster. The rust alternatives sometimes claim to be faster because they use multithreading to process multiple files (such as ag instead of grep), but they exclude the obvious point that you can just use gnu parallel or xargs with -P flag to run multiple grep in parallel

>>106376253
every non-copyleft license is a cuck license that allows whoever to make the project closed source and proprietary
good example is how minix ended up in the (((intel management engine)))

>>106372569 (OP)
Seeing people reject a better world because they got used to old crappy ways of doing things is so depressing. Like programs passing fucking strings to each other instead of structured data is beyond retarded and should be a thing you only come across in history books but in this gay timeline it's the normal way shells work.

>>106372569 (OP)
>muh eza
ls -lahvF --color --group-directories-first --time-style=long-iso

you don't need to install another binary for listing files.

>>106373729
They are deranged troons. On the order of deranged things they do this ranks pretty low

>>106374024
>better languages
>like C++
lol

>>106376288
kek.
also: rust bins are compiled with the equivalent of -march=native when c's are not.
crabs are benchmarking against c, when it has one hand tied behind its back and still cant win

>>106372569 (OP)
what if I use gentoo and build without village bike compiler flags

>>106372569 (OP)
The only ones I could understand caring about in this situation are the find and grep replacements, since speed is actually of value there. Are there real world, unbiased comparisons between find and fd, grep and ripgrep? And I would never ditch bash/zsh for some pseudo bash.

>>106372569 (OP)
you can run whatever software flavor of the decade toys you want in your hipster reddit-hn artisanal interactive shell, but for non-interactive shell scripts doing things in non-portable, non-POSIX, non-shellchecked ways is brainlet tier. the GNU specific shit is to be avoided too.

>>106372569 (OP)
Nushell sucks, fish is better. (Also written in rust though, kek)

>>106376540
that better be because of functionality
because if you use a specific shell for the speed i WILL make fun of you
if you wanna go fast you talk with the os directly

>>106372569 (OP)
busybox

>>106373729
Same reason they have to put trans flags everywhere they go

>>106372569 (OP)
root@debian:~/fd# time (./target/debug/fd --hidden --no-ignore . / 2>/dev/null | wc -l)
1549872

real 0m0.425s
user 0m5.300s
sys 0m1.081s
root@debian:~/fd# time (find / 2>/dev/null | wc -l)
1545414

real 0m1.418s
user 0m0.574s
sys 0m0.894s

very interesting results

>>106376783
7 seconds?
Oy vey!
It's faster in real-time, goy!

>>106376904
>/target/debug
This has to be a falseflag. No way cniles are this bad at faking benchmarks.

>>106373119
kek

Good.

I'm 100% in favor of Rust programmers being in ALL female spaces, they are used disproportionately to organize left wing events and causes and filling them with Rust programmers will make them uncomfortable and dysfunctional. The same strategy was applied against men to destroy most of our hobbies over the last decade or so, time for a little payback. There should be no organization for women without a Rust programmer in the leadership openly masturbating and creeping out people, they need to be in women's shelters, feminist movements, knitting circles, I never want a woman to be able to meet with another woman in confidence without a Rust programmer standing over them talking about his diaper fetish and how them complaining about his behavior is the real crime. I want to be like Saruman, breeding an army of pornsick degenerate AGP Rust programmers in vast tunnels, I want to walk around them and sinisterly say "do you know how Rust programmers were created? They were men once" Then I shall unleash them to destroy the world of women.

The time of woman is over, the time of the ORC has begun!

>>106376904
Are you really this retarded?

>>106376937
>faking benchmarks

>>106373834
>The GNU tools are almost universally regarded as huge pieces of shit.
You are utterly deranged.

>>106372569 (OP)
It's either fast or correct, not both.

>>106374017
>lower runtime
Yeah I'm not seeing any proof of this.

>>106377227
this

>>106377221
That's objectively true though. GNU tools are largely known for being incredibly inconsistent, slow and low quality. They've also produced an absurd number of CVEs compared to the FreeBSD and OpenBSD tools.

I really don't feel like rust is safe. And with the hardcore levels of shilling, I actually feel like there's something seriously wrong with it. People ITT are saying their own benchmarks are indicating these replacement products actually perform much worse.

>>106376762

>busybox
>busybox
>busybox
>busybox
>busybox

>>106377227
Yikes.

>>106377274
>People ITT are saying their own benchmarks are indicating these replacement products actually perform much worse
One idiot with a vendetta posted some absolutely retarded benchmark where in one of them he wasn't even smart enough to hide the fact that he was using a debug build. Typical cnile behavior.

>>106377274
Rust has some CIA backdoors implemented in the language itself, that's why it's being pushed so much.

>>106377374
The entire GNU project is a CIA operation. That's the only explanation for the low quality code and the thousands of CVEs.

>>106377340
It takes 1/3 extra time in >>106377227

>>106377374
I wouldn't be surprised.

>>106374532
/ $ cd /some/long/path
/some/long/path $ pushd .
/some/long/path $ cd /another/path
/another/path $ popd
/some/long/path $

I use ripgrep, sd https://github.com/chmln/sd and fd https://github.com/sharkdp/fd

>>106377414
I wouldn't use any of that shit. Don't trust it.

>>106377227
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMfNqmQbulI

>>106377401
Confirmed.

>>106373729
So they can claim that everything is trans later.

>>106377401
As if Unix was something that was carefully designed. It always was a bunch of shitty hacks by retarded uneducated hippies. Basically the JavaScript of operating systems and Dijkstra was right about everything.

>>106377474
Looks like it was fairly well thought-out, actually.

>>106374009
whoami

>>106377487
It doesn't look like that at all.

>>106373729
As the other guy said, this is the equivalent of pride flags. You wouldn't get it because you are not a faggot, but when you start identifying with something and you are mentally ill you must advertise it to the point you dominate your competition out of existence. It's the easiest way to get validation for your choices
>>106373834
No they aren't if you actually want features. But anyway they should not be replaced because of compatibly reasons

>>106377499
You need to see an eye doctor.

>>106377149
Rust programmers *are* women sweaty

>>106373729
Because they are the webshitters of programming. They must reinvent the whell to bulk up their CV because they are mostly social retards that can't land or stay in a job.

>>106373919
sh history is very interesting to read. A true licensing mess

>>106375331
Default in almost everything and most alternatives are designed to try to be somewhat compatible with then.

>>106373834
>>106374011
>>106374024
>>106377251
>>106377383
Most organic astroturfers. Don't forget to schedule your penectomy, bros.

>>106376288
Because anti-GNU shills are liars that implement 2% of features and completely discard any real-world complexity. It has been this way for decades at this point.

>>106377227
lmao
did they/them actually mess up implementing someone else's sorting algo?

>>106373729
Corporations fund rust cultists to write MIT licensed rewrites of existing software
Then because it's funded by corporations, said corporations embrace that software and replace it without user consent
The goal is to kill GPL

>>106379936
I forgot the name of the program but some chucklefucks gave some presentation about how they wrote a sort in rust that was way faster than the GNU version. People actually investigated it and what it turned out was that the rust sort didn't implement locales (equivalent to using the C locale on GNU sort). Depending on the locale the machine uses, the sorting algorithm is different and unsurprisingly it takes longer. So they were effectively benchmarking two totally different algorithms. The cherry on top is that when you use the C locale with the GNU sort, it was faster than the rust one.

>>106380170
GNU sort actually doesn't work properly for most locales. It's unicode handling is just atrocious all around.

>>106380253
yeah i'm sure you'll link to some bug reports or make some yourself any day now

>>106380170
>>106377227
it was me. i was the one that investigated it because it seemed like such obvious horse shit that the rust implementation was SIX TIMES FASTER than the GNU version.

and when i looked into it, it wasn't. the rust implementation is slower on average when accounting for equivalent output

>>106372569 (OP)
>du
I use gui for this.
>ls
Works fine for navigation, don't need more.
>tar
-xzf is literally the only thing I need.
>find
It works when I need to just find something in the fs, otherwise I use my text editor.
>grep
Same as find.
>cd
It just works.
>bash
Is a language. bash ./script.bash, dash ./script.sh, you know? Nushell's same, it's for running nushell ./script.nush or whatever is its native extension.
Why then should I switch to any of these, esp when the alternatives just so happen to be MIT licensed?

https://github.com/trifectatechfoundation
Meet "nonprofit" organization that has a goal of replacing everything with rust
https://trifectatech.org/about/
>member of Linux Foundation
>member of Rust Foundation
Lets look inside the founders
>Erik Jonkers
>Hugo van de Pol
Hmmm
https://tweedegolf.nl/en/our-people
>As Director of Open Source Erik's main mission is to find new initiatives to participate in, and to secure funding for our running projects. Finding new collaborations with organizations that share our values and goals, is a direction he likes to take: if you want to go fast, go alone; if you want to go far, go together (he actually stole this quote from Marlon, but it still applies).
>Hugo is Tweede golf's first point of contact for the outside world, responsible for business development, sales and hiring.
Hmmm, what is this organization about?
>Software must become safer.
>We give our clients security-by-design with Rust.
>We train companies in Rust, including Microsoft.
>We work with our government to build open-source election software
>We provide critical time sync software to Let's Encrypt which secures 550M+ websites
https://tweedegolf.nl/en/blog/122/a-safe-internet-requires-secure-time
>Trifecta Tech Foundation, the non-profit backed by Tweede golf, develops and maintains open-source software for vital infrastructure in the public interest. Trifecta Tech Foundation has built modern, open-source implementations of the Network Time Protocol and the Precision Time Protocol, and have submitted a proposal for NTS pools to the IETF.
Rust is a literal Trojan horse by glowies and corporations to kill open source.

>>106380427
>Rust is a literal Trojan horse by glowies and corporations to kill open source.
The glowies doing something good for once.

>>106374011
>It's genuinely easier to program than in C
use C++ then

>>106373660
Usecase?

This is just my perspective for zoxide, the one that i find useful.
>/home/anon/Private/_japs/anime
>/home/anon/Private/_japs/manga
>/home/anon/Private/_west/comic
>/home/anon/Projects/00-personal
>/home/anon/Projects/01-werks
---
>cd
need to write a absolute path or hash or alias or via cdpath
cd ~/Private/_japs/anime
cd ~priv/_west/comic hash -d
cd ~/Projects
cd 00-personal cdpath
>zoxide
bhop
z anime
z west
z 00-person
z Proj
z priv
---
for navigating: zoxide. for script: cd. thanks for reading my blogspot, hit me up in guestvook.

>>106372569 (OP)
Let me guess all these things use Rust?

>>106380427
Remember when Biden declared Rust was the hot new thing? That was... bizarre. Strong avoid, has the stink of glowniggers all over it. I'm going to need at least one ground-up totally independent Rust compiler or like with Java I'll assume it's comped somehow that's too clever for people to notice.

>>106381174
>>106381153
pushing rust everywhere is infiltration of open source projects by nsa trannies

>>106381256
Agreed. Plus Euroslime.

I won't have Rust on my system. Tho Firefox uses some Rust code and to build it I have to pull in Rust, which I refuse to do. So I often use Seamonkey instead now.

I think Pale Moon will actually compile on OpenBSD according to some shit I read though so I might give it a shot. It has no Rust code, diverged before the Rustrannies got to Trannyfox.

>>106375096
Oy vey, this goy is doing too much noticing, shut him down.

>>106372569 (OP)
gnu binaries are too heterosexual

>>106376937
a real cnile would know to clear caches between runs at least.
it's all tech illiterates here.

i love how /g/eets are too retarded to recognize non-/g/eet bait, and think it's all "shilling". lmao.

>ouch

I am not going to "ouch" my compressed directories. This is retarded

>>106372569 (OP)
they should add
>aaack
for shutdown

>busybox
>busybox
>busybox
>busybox
>busybox

>>106381995
>bussybox

this is the same thing as desktop ricers or people who waste time with different fonts as far as i'm concerned. i'm gonna keep using the defaults, niggers tongue my anus if i'm learning new commands and new flags every 6 months because some tranny decided to rewrite an old utility in a new language

if you remove all the features these original programs have they would run just as fast. good for you finding alts with features you dont miss.

>>106372569 (OP)
why the fuck do people use ripgrep? it's a unreliable piece of shit. they hide results from some files and directories (and the program checks the file/dir name lmao)
do rustards not know how to use GNU tools?

>>106377401
>/ $ cd /some/long/path
>/some/long/path $ pushd .
anon, you can use pushd as [spoiler]cd[/code]
$ pushd /some/long/path

>>106384871
sure, that's just one example

Sell me nushell, how is it? I've used zsh all my life.

>>106372569 (OP)
rust binaries don't even return

>>106372569 (OP)
Buncha rust faggot threads .

>>106377227
Maybe rust isn't so good after all

@106373344 (sic)
not when we talk about ram timings or a display server tho lol. milliseconds dont matter there lmao.

>>106385911
>ive used zsh all my life
i dont get users who use anything but bash, i dont need more so to say

>>106387218
first-second year desktop users

>>106386999
>he's gonna write a display server using cd

>>106387232
Linux desktop* users

#106386999
>>106373344
:^) There is no we here, stranger.

>>106373119
made with <3

>>106372569 (OP)
I use most of those, I prefer gdu to dust though.
QRD on eza, ouch and nushell?

>>106372697
Exactly,
>fast, correct software.
Holy shit, what a idiot

>>106373834
There is absolutely nothing wrong with GNU.

>>106373729
The only reason anyone uses GNU coreutils is because of the license and momentum
People don't sing praises about how good the coreutils are.
crablang users just found the opportunity to change licenses and add features they wanted

>>106387402
thanks for the gold kind stranger

>>106385911
never used zsh but nushell is inspired by powershell
imagine having a statically typed shell, for better or worse.

>>106377474
>ken, dmr, tom duff, brian kernighan
>retarded uneducated hippies

>>106372569 (OP)
>rust cancer slop
no thanks.

>>106372569 (OP)
chokepoint compiler. only authorized and dna authenticated developers may compile code using authorized and licensed compilers

>>106374254
Fucking KEK!

>>106377401
I believe the difference is with zoxide you can have a bunch of dirs remembered. /long/path/to/fetishshit and /even/longer/path/to/goresmut
then you can just z fetishshit or z goresmut from anywhere to go back. Same for any other dirs you use regularly.
That said I've never bothered using it. I don't see much point and can only see it making me lazy and make mistakes.

>>106389259
i never use pushd/popd either, if i had folders i frequented that much i'd probably just make aliases for them

>>106389302
That's exactly what I do. I have a scratch folder which is set with `alias scratch="cd /long/path/to/my/user/scratch/"`
That's even less keystrokes than `z scratch`. Other dirs which I commonly use but not necessarily cd into I have symlinks in my homedir so I can just `~/dir1`

>>106387795
>People don't sing praises about how good the coreutils are.
How are they not good? They just work and are full of features. What more should I expect from them?

>>106387829
Yes. They were just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what stuck. Unix and C are proof of this. Dijkstra was right about everything and the software side of computer science is a pathetic joke.