Thread 106373451

How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide

>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Case Studies, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/

>/iemg/'s Blog/Wiki (Archive, Books & Papers, Music Editorial, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/

>Frequency Response Graph Tool
squig.link

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18
• Tanchjim Bunny (Mild U) - $20
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• EPZ Q1 Pro / G10 (V-shape) - $35
• Kiwi Ears Cadenza (Mild V) - $35

>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28
• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8
• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) $18
• Tanchjim Stargate II (8-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• Hifi Walker H2 / Surfans F20 (Rockbox) - $120
• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

Previous Thread: >>106358339

/iemg/ Dogma Check
Tired of the hivemind? Here’s your prescribed sanity dose:

>Crinacle is not your priest.
Rankings are a guide, not divine scripture. Your ears > his spreadsheet.

>Harman ≠ perfect.
It’s a preference curve, not a law of physics. Some genres need deviation.

>Chi-Fi isn’t magic.
Great value, yes. Immune to qc issues and hype cycles? Nah.

>Graphs are not sound.
They don’t show staging, dynamics, or fit. Use your ears, not just squigs.

>BA ≠ metallic, DD ≠ perfect.
Implementation matters more than driver type. Always has.

>Meme sets aren’t the whole hobby.
If it’s not shilled 24/7, it might still be good. It's highly encouraged to form an original opinion.

>Disagreeing ≠ cope or deaf.
Let people like what they like without foaming at the mouth.

>Loud posts =/= smart takes.
Confidence without experience is just noise. Show graphs, impressions, or both.


This has been your scheduled break from pos groupthink.

Remember that EQ is a waste of time. Science says to buy wine instead.

Chat, is this worth $8?

>>106373566
wine doesn't run my ASIO drivers tho

Tech Believers, rise up

>>106373467
Akros is my priest and gospel

https://youtu.be/DmJiAJO1EWo

RiP squig.link

>>106373566
Funny that he's not even wrong.

>>106373566
>buy weed instead
ftfy

>>106374111
checked

>>106373451 (OP)
After listening to some kilobuck pos, i can say with confidence, my S12 Pro is endgame.

Looking for someone to shill me a pair (going to gift it). Hard requirements:
>under $125
>bassy
>absolutely no tranime marketing/packaging
Soft requirements:
>actually available (need it in 2 weeks tops)
>decent stock cable
>somewhat interesting looking

>>106373467
what a wonderful copypasta, a voice of reason among deliberate shitposts, misguided arrogance and plain ignorance
even the seemingly outdated point about shartman target is surprisingly relevant here in /posg/

>Thinking about buying Aful Performer 5+2
>Comes with free Celest IEM as well if I order it through amazon
Are the Kinera Celest Wyvern Qing worth using as a travel pair?

>>106376292
don't know if that's a compliment or not but shut the fuck up anyway

>>106375624
qkz x hbb hades

>1x 10mm LCP DD combined with 1x 6mm Micro Planar
>tuned with the help of a professional player.
>$42
SAAR, we are gamers now!!

>>106377490
>tuned with the help of a professional player
what a "professional player" could possibly know about tuning?

>>106377501
too much bass for gaming

Receiving my Truthear Pure today, what am i in for?

>>106377559
pure MUD machine

>>106377552
games don't have enough bass.

>>106377573
bass masks footsteps

>>106377559
Hmmm. Did you buy coffee tips?

>>106377639
No, never heard of those.
I have Dunu S&S

Ordered moonderp space travel 2 ultra for 3500 rubles, gonna see what's up with that

er2se is the best iem for games

Tourist here, are the Truthear Novas worth it? I have very eclectic taste so I need a decent all-rounder.

>>106377736
no
>decent all-rounder
that'd be daybreaks or p50 (or hexa or pure)

>>106377736
yes, amazing tuning backed up by science
it's just a little too big if your ears are small

>>106377578
too much bass, sure. but that depends, what frequency range are footsteps in?

>>106377736
not worth it. you can get the tangzu xuan nv for cheaper

>>106377683
Theres also this shit, dunno what is it, but it's new moonderp, lots of new products from them huh

>>106377775
ALL of them unironically
you might think footsteps are pretty low but they can go up pretty high especially on some surfaces.
>too much bass
no not too much, lowering bass can make footsteps more pronounced in general

>>106377736
novas are old and busted. SM4 has almost the same tuning but smaller cheaper and better.

The wanker 2s are completely forgotten huh

Would my JMCally dongle be enough to drive Aful Performer 5+2? I know IEMs don't typically require a ton of power to run, but I thought I'd make sure.

>>106373451 (OP)
Anyone else just keeps buying IEMs but don't even listen to music?

>>106375624
ISN H20 is extremely bassy. Too bassy for me in fact.

>>106378268
Nah, if I buy something I'm probably gonna use it extensively.

>>106378268
nah, my thing is recommending stuff I've never owned or tried

>>106378284
I only listen to music like once a month

why is epz g10 so good, /b/ros?

newfag here, any sub $30 IEM recommendation mainly for metal and rock genre?

>>106378253
the pos is loud enough to be driven easily by jmcally dongles

>>106378717
trn conch

>>106378717
epz g10

>>106378717
if you don't know your taste, go with the tanchim bunny DSP and install the android app, then you have more flavors to try and figure out what you like the most

>>106378717
KZ AM16 or KZ Vader Pro. Or even better: CCA Trio (if you can find it).

>>106377490
mogged by 1DD 5mm jap-fi techs

>>106373451 (OP)
Hello good day, newfag here, I'm looking for a sub 60 USD IEM recommendation, I will mainly use it for listening to Jazz, classical and metal-rock.

I will be very thankful to get nice recommendations.

>>106377736
no
theyre fucking huge and uncomfortable

>>106379177
RAT

>>106380006
to you, maybe. maybe the pos is the right fit for him.

>>106380006
the lip is the most important measurement, nigga

First ever IEM purchase, feel free to call me a retard but picking something was incredibly overwhelming.

>>106380342
it's a decent baseline. ignore retard spammers. enjoy it

>>106380342
just got this one today, its nice to listen to and the box it comes in is very cute too c:
i think you'll enjoy it

>>106373702
You sure need strong faith to follow a guy who can't hear past 10k

Returning my XM5 after mics acting up with new FW and ordering Oneplus Buds 4. Hope they are at least decent.

>>106380342
could've been worse

>>106380342
>First ever IEM purchase
You could grab KZs and still be amazed.

sometimes I go to squig.link, select my iem, load my eq preset, and just look at how beautiful the graph looks

>>106377657
>I have Dunu S&S
I ended up buying 3 packs of those.
They are the only tips I use now.

>>106380519
tfw still rocking based xm3s

>>106378717
>any sub $30 IEM recommendation mainly for metal and rock genre?
7hz Crinacle Zero 2

>>106380342
could be much much worse. also careful of their design. Mine hurt the fuck out of the antihelix of my ear after a while. and so i dont use them as much. being your first purchase you will have no real baseline to know its strengths/weaknesses. so ignore it and enjoy. next time buy some cheapos like the Truthear GATE so you can contrast and compare and have fun.

>>106379559
>I'm looking for a sub 60 USD IEM recommendation, I will mainly use it for listening to Jazz, classical and metal-rock.
Kefine Klean

>>106380519
When will you learn.

>>106380980
Took me a year this time.

>>106379559
>I'm looking for a sub 60 USD IEM recommendation, I will mainly use it for listening to Jazz, classical and metal-rock.
Simgot EW300, DUNU Titan S2, and Kefine Klean

>>106380873
you dont eq

>>106379559
epz g10

the eq guide holds the secret to great sound

>>106381203
>jm-troon
I shiggy, u diggy

this is in contrast to the eq guide on squig.link; there they actually recommend using a sine sweep to locate peaks and describe how to do it. the eq guide just says: "nah, don't do this. use music and pink noise instead, but I won't tell you how".

>>106380342
You have been scammed, you don't need more than a single DD 20$ IEM. Only thing that matters are tuning, distortion, comfort and construction quality.

>>106381336
>you don't need more than a single DD 20$ IEM. Only thing that matters are tuning, distortion, comfort and construction quality.
Ok so give me 3 IEMs that excel in all those things at that price.

>>106381341
g10

>>106381336
>you don't need more than a single DD 20$ IEM
plus EQ
Hexa sounds better than Gate for me, primarily because of Gates 10 kHz dip. With eq they are on par, but not if you don't eq or just use basic shelving filters. I think the Pure are a good first iem

>>106381430
>gate = hexa with eq
>hiding behind ‘basic shelving filters.’
nobody uses only shelves to eq. PEQ exists, but you don't seem to know what that is. either way, gate seems to make hexas sweat, so that's nice

>>106381179
>>106381414
distortion machine (g20 btw has very low distortion)

>>106381591
>nobody uses only shelves to eq
how would you know? everyone in here is talking about eq, but no one has ever actually posted an eq preset

>>106381597
those look like flubbed measurements. q1 pro graphs similar to most good 1DDs, that is to say, very flat, low, and nominal.
picrel mine.

>>106381597
distortion is good

>>106381609
measurements are flippantly posted every so often, but who cares?

>>106381622
here's the fr of a +300 mesh (pretty sure other samples on squig too) and my unit balance

>>106381622
>measuring thd without calibrating REW's SPL, random ADC, and noisy room
ngmi

>P50 is just a Daybreak
EPZ=Crinear's OEM confirmed?

>>106373566
Obsoleted by fox beverage.

>>106373451 (OP)
What do you all think of the Tempotec v3 Blaze? I want to buy my first DAP.

>>106381622
>>106381647
damn this side's THD sample is even cleaner. of course people with experience know these are not flawless quality measurements anyways

>bought some KBear ks1s a couple years ago
>theyre the only iems ive used since
>keep breaking because i sleep with them on and use them outside

What is the upgrade path from here?, or is it better to just buy a pair exclusively for the pc/ps5

>>106381719
just get whatever cheapest pairs you can find for beaters
maybe get a "nicer," pair for other use if you feel like it

>>106381677
One of the core distinctions between players is OS.
V3 Blaze is on Hiby OS. same as another option in similar price range, Shanling M1 Plus. It's a more simplified audio player with limited/nerfed wireless/streaming capabilities.
Compare that to Android OS which allows for play store apps, customization (docks, widgets, themes), and using virtually any music player you want.
Tempotec's products are fine in general, but they sit near the bottom of the list as far as customer service, good English documentation for their products & firmware, etc. Brands like Shanling, Hiby, and Fiio have better customer support in general (doesn't mean they're perfect or make perfect products either, just generally speaking).

>>106381851
What do you recommend in terms of the segment and price range of the Tempotec V3 Blaze?

stop consuming shit and listen to music you niglets

>>106382199
Only real music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKuVdO37Hy8

>>106382183
not trying to dissuade you from v3 blaze specifically. it's prob perfectly fine for playing local library.
shanling m1 plus: volume wheel. hiby m300: longest battery life, only 3.5mm, android. fiio jm21: most power in class, android

>>106382199
90% of music is mixed like shit better give chang money in hopes of god like pos, gweilo

>>106382268
That's what niggas with shit tuning say.

There is more to sound than FR.

>>106382327
That's what niggas with chatgpt say.

>>106382246
I'm looking for a DAP that isn't too expensive but has good features. I don't use streaming services, only local files. I was given some HIFIMAN HE400SE headphones and I want to get started in the world of high-fidelity music.

thoughts on the simgot ew300?

>>106373566
Not even trolling. I enjoy music way more when under the influence of alcohol

>>106382394
They all have small pros/cons, up to you to decide between minor differences. They're all music players, they at least do that. If only local library, I don't know what other features you'd want. As mentioned, Android OS allows freedom of any music player app. Some people prefer specific players to navigate their music. Hiby OS is limited to the stock player.
HE400SE is a case where i would err towards power, and welp congratulations, the audiofool rabbithole (money sink) begins! To get the most power from these players, using the 4.4mm balanced connection is ideal. This means buying a new cable for the HE400SE in 4.4mm as well.

>>106382432
mogged by fox iem

>>106381622
well g10 is not q1pro now is it
(maybe they did have a bad g10 unit who knows)

>early 2025
>it's almost September
Nice job truthear

>>106382327
wrong

>>106382199
Don't let Zeos see this comment. He needs to spend another $10,000 to hear another Anime song consisting of women screaming like children while he watches child porn

>>106382432
Too warm and simultaneously too much treble. Mids (vocals and instruments) are really recessed.

>>106381658
maybe but really who the fuck cares
daybreaks are better than p50 pretty much in everything

>>106381233
Shartman is troon, JM-1 is Chud

>>106382232
only the techest of techs
https://youtu.be/PkCXiiCi0ng

>>106382810
>better
they're they same goddamn thing you dolt

>>106382821
they are both reddit

>>106383041
>cheaper
>have lip
>better tuning
>better QC
>not ugly af by default
are you retarded?

>BA pos is bad except when its heckin epz okay chuds
lmao

>>106382821
JM-1 troon, 5128 DF is Chud

>>106383372
how is it cheaper but better qc?

>>106383387
BA pos bad unless it's Aful

>>106383517
crin approved QC vs EPZ fuckery

What should you get if you think Harman is too bright/sibilant but the Aful Explorer is too warm? Should you get something tuned to JM-1? Or is there a better target?

>>106383676
>Should you get something tuned to JM-1
probably
just get daybreaks. you can always tilt bass/treble a little bit to fit your preference better

cringicle is a grifter and daybreak has no techs, epz is only for pedos dogfuckers and pedo dogfuckers, pure is muddy and mediocre
its so over jm1bros

>>106383712
>just get daybreaks
They look good. Think I will!

>>106383771
dont forget your coffee tips, without them the daybreaks are just junk. With them they are otherworldly and lifechanging.

>>106383591
crin is not your priest, though. and epz makes crinear pos.
>>106383676
can you tell me why you want to use jm-1?

>>106383804
I got coffee tips for my daybreaks and they are pretty good but I don't think they change FR as much for me... I prefer spring tips more actually.

>>106383984
>crin is not your priest, though. and epz makes crinear pos.
retard

>>106383984
>can you tell me why you want to use jm-1?
..but he literally told you?

>>106383804
>lifechanging

>>106384753
they are like magic :3

>>106384984
lmfao. reminds me of this old gem

>>106384984
>>106385034
>my IEMs transitioned

I was told to ask this in /hifig/ but searching the archives, unless I fucked up, shows that there hasn't been a hifig in a while, so I'm asking this here:

>>106373565
>>106374196
>>106376022

>>106385070
I'm gonna try and keep it simple, because as you acknowledge, you're a noob.
So first, correct me if I'm wrong, but your source (the thing you're mainly plugging any audio gear into) is a gaming laptop? So that's not ideal. No matter the flashy marketing shpeel they have about the audio components used in the laptop, the 3.5mm output is essentially bottom-tier compared to what you can buy with $10-$60 nowadays. In addition, whatever gaymer audio program is not giving you adequate control and manipulation of frequency response (what you hear).
For IEMs (earphones), you're gonna have a simpler, lower-cost investment to get clean audio.
For speakers, adding a subwoofer to accompany the Edifiers is fine, but speakers have a bit more demands and requirements for ideal sound like the proper position, room, etc.
So if you want to try IEMs or speakers, let's start with one path.

>>106384054
he's using jm-1 as if it's a preference curve, which is wrong.

>>106385070
And just to address a few specific points throughout your posts
>Creative Pebbles
Total garbage, disregard them and move on
>Stop experimenting with equalizers until you get audio equipment that can actually produce the frequencies you asking of it with equalizers.
When anon said that, he is referring to frequency response. This is a range from 20Hz-20,000Hz that represents what humans hear, and what a good sound system should produce. In the case of bookshelf 2.0 speakers like the Edifiers, they are unable to produce enough deep sub bass frequencies. This doesn't mean they aren't good, it's physics and reality of almost any 2.0 setup, which is why a subwoofer is added to round out a 2.1 system. Then, they can "actually produce the frequencies you asking of it." If you just boost the shit out of sub bass on 2.0, you're "overworking," the speakers for no good reason and increasing distortion, not increasing sub bass volume so you can hear it as intended.
IEMs are cool because modern budget choices have no problem producing a full-range of 20-20,000Hz, so long as you properly seal the earphones in your ears (achieve a secure fit of the ear tips in your ear canal).

What should I buy to just completely waste my money?

>>106385344
anything kilobuck.
kinera pos look dope as hell. i often ponder the Verdandi specifically cause it looks so damn cool (sounds good too if you like female vocals). their iems look even better in person than photos.

Kinera is the most BASED IEM company. They don't give a fuck about targets.

I have a pair of Sen IE200s, and while I like them I don't love them. I've been told that I could do a lot better for cheaper, is this true?

>>106386024
upper treble is a main issue. you can just work on eqing them to your liking for sound. other aspects of it like cheap shell, terrible cable can be criticized too, but well at least it's lightweight.
depending on what you pick, sure, you can probably find stock sound more to your liking, and with more "premium," feeling build / accessories. we are inundated with choices, up to you to pick from them.

Can anyone explain a newfag what the point of PMPs is? Don't you guys have phones? Surely they're not just autistic fashion statements, right?

>>106386230
physical back/playpause/skip and volume buttons.
modern phones often exclude not only 3.5mm but even expandable storage.
higher quality audio architecture, 4.4mm balanced option, bit-perfect playback, etc.

Is the Snowsky Mini DAP worth 60 bucks?

>>106385233
you are retarded and should shut the fuck up

>>106386230
like with everything in this hobby the point is to flex on poorfags

>>106378236
That's bollocks.

opinions on blue Vido?

>>106383371
Excelent

>>106383984
I don't know. As I said I find Harman a little too bright in that 3-6k region. But I don't like overly warm IEMs either

>>106385623
Penon don't care either

>>106388277
Use the fox target.

>>106388344
Looks too V shaped

what's the catch?

>>106388344
The type of shit you do when your driver doesnt have bass techs

>>106388383
FR?

So, still considering buying the Aful Performer 5+2. Do I want after market tips or a cable for these? I'm using the stock cable on my Performer 5, and Divinus Velvet tips.

>>106388463
Spend at least $200 on the cable to make sure you maximize the sound quality.

>>106388277
don't listen to this retard, he wants to argue about semantics of what jm-1 is like a dumbass. he has no iems to recommend

>>106388463
>Do I want after market tips
you always want aftermarket tips

>>106388277
shartman is just a thin-sounding V-shaped target that is supposed to sound clean and maybe it does, but it sounds fucking weightless and shouty
if not for harman corporation's shilling it'd never be considered a viable option in iems

>>106388539
every fucking research harman does shows that a lot of people like treble shout... I'm not sure what to make of it. Maybe music they are choosing is low on treble energy or something. And they obviously don't EQ ear canal resonance in these tests so it's even worse

Kadenz just turned up
I kneel
Moondrop undefeated once again

>>106388539
>>106388552
They're using deep insert IEMs and align the resonance by 10kHz. This boosts 200Hz and reduces 5kHz. On normal fitting IEMs you just take Harman and do the opposite. And every individual IEM needs bass adjustment on top of that because they react differently to acoustic impedance.

>>106388552
and still audiophiles, reviewers and just plain fans of having a good listen in the evening went back to etymotic-esque neutral target, because that's what it is - a neutral, natural sound without distractions such as shout or lack of weight
that's why targets like IEF, Bad Guy, Super 22 etc. are more closely DF-adjacent with some tilt and don't have much in common with the Shartman abomination, also that's why the new meta still carries the same set of traits as reviewers' target and the old (but gold) etymotic target
in other words, Shartman target is a foreign body among targets that people who actually like listening to music (not to sCiEnCe) have never considered anything serious

>>106386612
shoo fly

>>106388746
do you even have IEMs lmao???

>>106388899
like 10 of em. that really is a dipshit question to ask unless you're looking for any excuse to take a shit on something. always the case

>>106388922
I mean do I really need an excuse to shit on you when you want to start a stupid as fuck jm-1 autism instead of giving a decent advice or recommending an IEM? Dude even said harman is too bright and explorer too warm - all information you need basically.
Do you actually have a recommendation or just another fucking lecture about target semantics?

>>106388922
>like 10 of em
10 KZ pos doesn't count

>>106388972
I think I was talking to him but you told him 'not to listen' to me so how does that fit into your idea of having a decent conversation? mind your fuckin business hoe

>>106388990
KZ general, chuddie.

>>106389076
Name 1 reason why I should have a decent conversation with a delusional fuck such as yourself?
You have nothing to say.
>mind your fuckin business hoe
suck my cock I will not stop calling your dumb shit out lmao you are not that lucky

>>106389225
well there it is.
I never suggested you should talk to me to begin with. you're the one on the prowl for drama. I mean look at you

>>106389225
>delusional
>assumes everybody's pos

Remember to never buy used pos.
All the internal filters are contaminated by earwax.

What's even the natural progression after picrel?
It already solved IEMs for cute anime girl listening, is there even a next step?

>>106386230
Literally a meme
No sound quality difference with a $10 Apple dongle that would pass a blind test. Balanced cables are a meme. Bit perfect is a meme.
It's basically a fashion statement that screams "I get no pussy"

>>106389482
>What's even the natural progression after picrel?
reference speaker setup + eq

>>106389482
GATO?

>>106389527
geez, that's so cringe.
Speakers in a room have reflected sound gain, room reverb, BRIR notches, comb filtering, frontal incidence coloration, body tactility, and different directivity patterns that will make or break the sweet spot range.

You'll never match the experience or timbre because the pos is minimum-phase, and the reflected sound is non-minimum-phase. You'd need to go with binauralizers + personalized HRTF, BRIR, and head-tracking, too.

Just stop trying to sound smart and giving half-baked advice.

>>106389435
>all
generalizing this much should be a crime

>>106389672
Just don't buy a clean resin shell then.
ignorance is bliss

>>106389680
noted. I have a question for you though. since there's always somebody who pops out to say, "metal pos avoid, condensation/clogged filters, etc" at every opportunity, what do you say to the people that did buy a metal pos, used, lives in a year-round humid climate and their pos never clogged once?

>>106373451 (OP)
Can I ask for an wireless option?

>>106389658
stop trying to impede people's subjective experience as if your own is all the matters. as if (You) are the only 'smart' one here with solid advice. fuck you megalomaniac

>>106389761
no. ask this guy scarbir.com

>>106389343
? I'm literally talking specifically about his jm-1 takes

>>106389323
well there it is
still nothing to say

>>106389824
I was assuming you were the anon that said I have 10 kzs, which you probably are.
and jm-1 is a fine tool, but you know as well as I do reference targets are used flippantly as if, "I'm supposed to listen to everything as if it's a pair of neutral speakers in a treated room with my personal HRTFs taken into account"
what a giant fucking waste of people's time.

>>106389818
Thanks anon, I didnt know that site ^^

>>106378236
QC from that pos is shit

>>106389482
PURE/HEXA? Daybreaks? KE4?
>is there even a next step?
it depends

>>106389877
no literally and unironically do you have any advice to give except your jm-1 takes nobody fucking asked about?

>>106389955
huh? what? you're fuckin squirming for a fight, just shut the fuck the fuck up. christ you're a ballache
>inb4 'I accept your concession'
motherfucking stop projecting and wasting threads. move on bitch you look demented right now.
wanna argue about minimum phase nonsense some more?
wanna tilt your ass so hard when I mention your beloved targets are psychoacoustic in theory and in practice? we can.

>>106389818
I wish we had a site like this for iems, instead we have like 100 different grifters

>>106389988
lol now you are crying shitting and pissing
what an embarrassment

I beg you, help me. I need an iem for clear vocals, I'm talking clear, imagine you're working remote and constantly need to hear indians with microphones taped to their mouths, which sounds like they're underwater. I used to have hifiman r800 but they got stolen (not by indians), and now I cant find any at a reasonable price in my area.

Like I said im looking for clarity, and budget is 100 to 500 bucks. I might go midrange first, if that doesn't work I might go with high-end. If all else fails I might have to watch indian tutorials 24/7 in order to understand their barbaric speech.

>>106388462
frfr

>>106389435
what doesn't kill you makes you stronger
- hp lovecraft

>>106390419
Afaik AI is being tested to de-indianize speech, see if there's any available

>>106390419
>his job is deciphering jeetspeak
even wfh wagies get the rope

Is Kiwi Ears Cadenza still a recommended starter model? Or what else should I be looking at? Don't care about total nerd shit, just need something high quality, without getting into diminishing returns.

What's the best IEM tuned for this genre?

https://files.catbox.moe/s6jx1b.flac

>>106390758
>coondrop moment

>>106390728
The entry-level recommendation nowadays is the Brise Audio Fugaku

>>106386230
Physical buttons for everything, separate battery, more storage for music. I don't own one, but I get it.

>>106390419
>>106390728
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YUdNFLefVk

>>106386230
>autistic fashion statements
Yes they are.
All positive points people talk about them doest justify buying and using one.

>>106390419
>I need an iem for clear vocals
literally any $20-30 pos has clear vocals

>>106390728
>Is Kiwi Ears Cadenza still a recommended starter model?
kbear kb01 has literally the same driver but cheaper

>Tempted to get Luna because of unobtainable Dunu Ultra similarities
>I already have Top pro and it seems to be direct upgrade for Luna
top is just too good

hi, back in 2018 i bought these for 12 eur and i wanted to get 2 more pairs but i think they don't sell them anymore at least on aliexpress:

https://audiobudget.com/product/einsear/t2

they have worked perfect, they are comfy and they sound great to my inexpert ear, they are very sturdy and robust, i don't use often the pair i have but i treat them badly and they still work just fine. i'm sure any plastic equivalent would have broken by now several times over

is there anything equivalent nowadays? i can't find anything like it for the price

>>106392044
good:tanchjim zero ultima, one, or tanya
cheap as possible:nicehck x39 or yd520

I was thinking of getting the moondrop chu 2. are they good? I'm a noob

>>106393439
their main issue is vey common oxidation and clogging. Just dont be a fat, sweaty, dirty disgusting fuck and they should be fine. or if you live in a very humid place, I'd go for another set.

>>106393472
are they easy to clean?

>>106393472
also how good is their app?

>>106393076
went for x39, thanks

>>106393491
depends on how clean you are. if you know you will be draining sweat and wax out your ears, either from summer heat, or exercise, they could get dirty real quick. then you'd have to replace the filters. but just clean your ears often, and wipe down the iem and wash the ear tips.
>>106393580
moondrop app is alright i guess, if you want to play with peq read the eq guide in the op

>Hifi Walker H2 / Surfans F20 (Rockbox) - $120
Which one is better between the two

>>106394032
they're the same thing. pretty crappy and noisy players, only good if you *need* rockbox

What would change if Shartman target never existed?

>>106395113
we would still get awful retardebly tuned pos

>>106395113
sony would still charge $350 for their crap

>>106395182
we still do (see epz q1pro/g10)

>>106395720
it's nowhere near awful shit we were getting you dumb fuck
and it's also like $30 instead of 300

>>106395745
its worse actually

>>106395113
Nothing.
DF is a thing known and implemented since the 80s.

Did i miss anything special since may?

>>106395745
nta but why are you emotional? lol

>>106389482
Equalizer APO + Peace GUI

>>106388365
>what's the catch?
moisture issue, QC is the worst of any IEM

ZVX PRO > EDC PRO
ZVX PRO > EDC PRO
ZVX PRO > EDC PRO
ZVX PRO > EDC PRO
ZVX PRO > EDC PRO

I havent gotten new IEMs for a long time, I saw the KZ PRX having planars, should I grab that? is there anything better in the similar price range?

>>106398281
Dog shit >>>

>>106385231
>So first, correct me if I'm wrong, but your source (the thing you're mainly plugging any audio gear into) is a gaming laptop?

Correct, I could use the monitor (as in, the display panel/my external screen) I'm doing an HDMI out from the laptop to, instead, if that would help.

>the 3.5mm output is essentially bottom-tier compared to what you can buy with $10-$60 nowadays

I don't wanna sound like an asshole asking this since I realize I'm the one begging for help, but: How much of a difference does this really make? Before I started on this wild goose chase I assumed a lot of differences between hardware was pretty minor and especially differences between cables was mostly nonsense audiophile shit (see: Gold plated ultra super special HDMI cables)

For what it's worth the Kanto ORAMG speakers I have use USB C for the connection to the laptop, though I'm currently testing that with a USB C to A and then a A to C converter since I don't own any double ended USB C cables

>For IEMs (earphones), you're gonna have a simpler, lower-cost investment to get clean audio.

I am not opposed to also exploring IEMs, and if it's easier to find something that's going to sound good (to my ears) for in game gunfire as well as music at once or with a pair of settings I can swap between, then I'll settle for that, and I'd even specifically even eventually want that in addition to speakers, but my gut response is to focus on speakers since I'd rather not have something in my ears to have to put on and off every time I walk away from my desk.

Still if you wanna suggest IEMs I should try given what I'm describing that I want, list some models. I have super in depth autistic notes comparing how different guns sound with different speakers and nahmic equalizer settings too if you wanna read through that to get an idea of what exactly I'm chasing

Ran out of space, will reply to >>106385331 next post

>>106398844
>>106385231
Continuing:

>>106385331
I already ruled out the pebbles months ago, don't worry.

>they are unable to produce enough deep sub bass frequencies

I am actually having the opposite issue, I think: Most speakers I have tried have the lows (echo, booming, and actual bass line noises) absolutely drowning out higher frequency cracks, mechanical noises, hissing, shrieks, and sharp sounds.

As I mention in the crossthread link, the "best" thing I have tried (for game audio) is the Asus Ally X's speakers in their out of the box config (as I understand it that has a non-default setting in it's onboard sound profile software vs the original Ally), and after that is the built in Lenovo Legion 5 Slim's speakers: Both sound quite similar, especially with slight changes in the nahmic software the latter comes with, though the Laptop speakers are more tinny and "mondirectional" wheras the ally has a surround sound sort of effect that makes things sound less flat (not the technical audio term, I don't think) and has the lows more impactful

But every external speaker I've tried has required me to turn the treble dial way up, and the Bass dial way down (if they have it on the speaker), and/or the treble and bass sliders tweaked the same way in Nahmic, often then ALSO doing the same to the hz specific equalizer sliders nahmic also has, in order to get the cracks, sharp noises etc in the gunfire anywhere close to how the Ally or the Lenovo's speakers have it, but even then I struggle to get it exact or certain guns sound super close while others sound way different even with the same settings (Either the Nahmic software doesn't have enough discrete sliders for different frequencies as >>106385231 says, or I just don't know about audio enough to know what to tweak), and said boosted-treble/reduced bass settings lead to the opposite issue when listening to music, where the low sounds aren't audible enough (the Ally X/Lenovo also have that issue, admittedly)

HP HyperX Cloud Alpha (there is supposed to be a bt version) or Redragon H858 Arrow?

The goal is to quickly switch between work PC for calls and personal device for drowning the noise at office. I will be wearing them for 10h+ while remote.

A good wire over hear with bass? for mobile videogame ost and for playing on a nintendo switch

stupid question
is there a difference between waner 2 vs sg 2?

>>106395942
any info on this target? especially what are the filters used on DF to achieve this? anyone got a link? I don't find anything when searching for harman ie 2025 target.

Will a moondrop headphone moondrop on me?

>>106399591
>Will a moondrop headphone moondrop on me?
yes lol obviously

>>106399583
There was a link posted one or two threads ago with a link to the last AES paper

>>106399583
I don't think there's a harman 2025 target
this one is probably from their AES paper. Average of 36 listeners from MOA experiment.
It's basically worthless as a target.

>>106399591
it is very dark... I dunno why they went full retard with it and its angled drivers but it is what it is
garbage
better to buy something like FT-1 or FT-1pro

I fell for the scarbir shill and bought the soundpeats t3 pro sounds like sh*t
Never trusting this kite again

I bought a eros mp3 player and both my iems donnt work with it I don't know why (left ear works but right earbud doesn't work; on both my iem) can someone help me please?

>>106400894
return it.

So I'm new to in-ear memes and I bought EPZ Q1 Pro + Jcally Jm7 for $55.
Did I get memed or did I do good?

>>106401485
>Q1 Pro
what was your goal/thought process before purchasing?

>>106401608
I wanted to be deaf by the time I heard any bass

>>106401608
They're literally the second reommendation in the sticky shopping guide. Reviews in general sounded positive. Did I get memed? Give it to me straight, anon.

>>106399239
They're the same thing. Sorry the chartfags were too pretentious to answer your question.

>>106401775
It's a safe choice, lacks in bass but if you're open to EQ, a Low shelf filter helps. I normally do an extra +3db, 100hz which is a sharp contrast, but it's mostly meant to better hear bass drum kicks.

>>106401485
immediately apply EQ to q1pro
>LSQ 600Hz 2.5dB Q 0.8
>HSQ 5500Hz -4dB Q 0.7

>>106402198
>It's a safe choice
Then honestly I'm happy, that's exactly what I was looking for. Something fairly neutral, good quality, but not going past the point of diminishing returns.
>lacks in bass
>to better hear bass drum kicks.
I don't even need them for typical modern music where that will matter a lot. Just needed something good/reliable quality for general audio listening (not just music), and they may come in useful as actual in-ear monitors on stage. The dongle is because I refuse to give in to bluetooth earphones/headphones in the post-audio jack world.
>>106402311
Please explain that notation, thanks

>>106401456
ok

>>106401775
they're the second rec because the author is biased towards epz and has shitty taste overall. shopping guide is filled with mostly crap unknown pos. placing wanker 2 as the first choice (for the price bracket), says everything.

Remember to buy Earplugs for when you're outdoors and protect your hearing!!
foxzo, this one goes into the ear!!

>>106402376
EQ guide

My feelings on Tripowin Zonie and Final Audio E (black) tips for IE200. Maybe this'll help someone.

The Tripowin Zonie is noticeably less microphonic than the stock cable, but still has some rumble when I move my head around. With the higher quality feeling cable comes a lot of extra weight though, and sometimes I'd rather have something lighter like the stock cable. I prefer the Zonie and will keep using it. I had to remove the plastic rings from the cable's MMCX connectors to get it to fit the IE200, which is a massive negative (for the IE200).

The Final Audio E tips at SS size are almost the same size as the stock silicon tips at S size, so no significant changes in comfort. Isolation is around the same, slightly better at isolating treble than stock. I find it hard to a/b test these accurately, but changes in sound are not drastic at all. There might be slightly more bass. The most important difference, and the reason why I got these tips, is that the treble has improved for my ears. The stock tips had a weird sibilant, thin sound for my ears; S-sounds were harsh, sometimes almost like white noise (a subjective effect, of course). Final Audio E tips made the treble softer, still pronounced, but way nicer. I have the tape mod applied too just in case.

The under-performing IE200 is very enjoyable with these and I'm glad to finally have an IEM that agrees with my ears.

>>106402659
ER2XR is top tier

>>106389482
moondorp lan

>>106402659
$50 for this pos cable is insane lmao

>>106402757
Thanks.

why is epz g10 so good, bros?

Ordered KZ duet, hopefully the chinks have finally come up with something that can compete with earpods.

>buy "good" IEMs
>hear no difference
>buy "good" DAC
>hear no difference
>buy "good" FLACs
>hear no difference
>take hearing test
>apparently I have worse hearing than the average 60 year old (I'm 27)

>>106403040
hearing is the least of your issues.

>>106403040
Let me guess, you used headphones and iems in your whole life lmao.
>he fell for it
Use speakers dumbass, unless you want to commit suicide because of tinnitus.

>>106399611
>>106399638
thanks I found it. It's really just DF tilted -0.8 to -1 db/octave.

>>106402790
>The stock tips had a weird sibilant, thin sound for my ears
of course it's sibilant lmao ie200 is a horrible sibilant piece of shit
and its awful treble is getting boosted by your length mode resonance

>>106390419
Senny IE 100 pro
Literally designed for monitoring, so no stupid "fun" curve

>>106403409
jesus fucking christ what an awful trash
>literally a straight line tuning
>awful peaky sibilant treble for no reason
is going deaf helps with "monitoring"?

>>106403500
t. has no idea what in-ear-MONITORS are actually used for
You're retarded anon.

>>106403521
I know exactly what they are used for you dumb fuck.
Is awful channel matching also helps with monitoring?
You are so dumb lmao

>>106403040
You are an impostor

>>106403529
>I know exactly what they're used for
>I want stinky bass and weird curves on the IEM I use to tell me what the rest of the band sounds like
Jesus Christ anon.
They aren't designed for listening to music, they're designed for listening to audio feeds from your bands instrument mix to make sure you're in time and playing loud enough.
The fact that you're complaining that these don't sound like music listening IEMs tells me you actually have no idea.
I'll let you off for being ESL, but I can't excuse you being an absolute retard.

>>106403521
>in ear monitors
>they don't even have a display
Pathetic.

>>106403600
>Monitor lizard
>Not even OLED

>>106403581
So... awful channel matching helps you to be in time and play loud enough?

>>106403610
Pretty sure lizards are organic though.

>>106403632
>completely drops the tuning realising you're wrong
>instead focuses on the channel imbalance of this one sample
>channel imbalance only very mildly affects the tuning, still overall flat
okay anon I think you've proved well enough that you're a retard.

>>106403581
Literally nothing is stopping you from monitoring in well-tuned IEMs like studio 4, which are also available custom. Real monitoring IEMs are tuned like shit not because shit tuning is good for monitoring, but because tuning literally doesn't matter for monitoring. Only noise isolation and secure fit matter.

>>106403693
I'm pretty sure ear gain won't make you worse at monitoring

Sistas... $110??? omg!!

lol look its foxbum

>>106398844
>How much of a difference does this really make?
Referring to sources (the thing you plug into), it makes a difference. Laptop 3.5mm are objectively low quality as determined by various measurements. Not snake oil nonsense. As the word "source," implies, it is a core bottleneck. You can buy "high quality," speakers (in any form, whether room, over-ear headphones, or in-ears), but they may not sound as intended or up to their full potential plugged into a low quality source. Sound artifacts and glitches like constant "static," hiss, distortion, etc. may be directly attributed to the source.
>suggest IEMs
It seems like you don't like bass. I'll suggest things that should be on Amazon, so easy returns. Tanchjim Bunny, Truthear Gate, Moondrop Lan. Pair one of them with a USB-C dongle (USB-C - 3.5mm adapter), either Apple dongle or Jcally JM20. Can also get Tanchjim Bunny DSP (USB-C version), which is essentially those components combined. If you're plugging in speakers via 3.5mm aux, buying the separate dongle is the more versatile setup. IEM wires are fairly short at ~1.2m, you may need an extension. Extending the USB side is recommended over 3.5mm aux extension. Using USB-A and adapters from A-C is not a problem.

>>106398921
As far as the rest of your impressions of speakers (excluding the possibility something is "wrong," with your setup which is making speakers sound bad) you prefer sound that is lower in bass and higher in treble. That's fine, but you want to seek products that align with your taste rather than oppose it. Many products targeting for mainstream young men skew bass heavy. You should also disable any sound processing software on your laptop. They may be boosting bass unbeknownst to you.

>>106399151
>A good wire over hear with bass?
7hz zero2, tripowin vivace, faaeal unbounded

>>106401775
protip: this hobby is nothing but shills
make with this info how you will

>>106405154
That's kind of what I figured. And I'm not planning on getting into the "hobby", more just pragmatically wanted to get a decent piece of gear. I'm hoping I've achieved that - hopefully I'll get better earphones than I'd get buying a random consumer item from the local electronics store, while at the same time not overpaying for micro optimizations or brand.

>>106405223
I know the answer is no, but did you get the custom faceplates?

>russia loving dildo merchant scammed another anon into buying horrible pos
gotta love this place, thanks for the keks

>>106405263
You know the answer

>>106405223
shills or not but q1pro is very comfy but tuning is mediocre

>>106405417
it's good with eq

>>106405223
find out what's your preferred target by EQing back and forth at different volume levels while listening to your fav songs then buy pos that matches your target the closest and has the ergonomics and looks you want also check out the EQ guide

>>106405457
everything is good with eq

>>106405504
I couldn't get the EDC Pro to sound good no matter the amount of EQ.

>>106404414
Is low source quality going to cause "bandwidth" issues in terms of the clarity of different frequency ranges, or is it mainly an issue of audio noise? I haven't really noticed any problems with the latter aside from if the audio jack touches anything when it's unplugged on the desk it'll make the speakers buzz, but I assume that's normal

What alternative input methods are there/should I be using?

> If you're plugging in speakers via 3.5mm aux, buying the separate dongle is the more versatile setup

I'm not sure what you mean by this other then a sort of audio hub where I can plug in multiple IEMs, speakers etc and switch between them easily, which I don't think is what you actually meant

>>106404498
How would I know what products are aimed at lower bass/higher treble?

To be clear, while I do err towards wanting more audible treble, I do still want bass and such to come through and the main issue I am running into is even with the nahmic slider and equalizer settings that approximate how the Ally X sounds but with external speakers, that then leads to lower tones not being audible enough when listening to music, or even oddly it matching how the Ally sounds but only with specific guns and not others.

Is that an unavoidable thing where you have to pick between hearing more of the treble or more of the bass and some sounds will always get drowned out? I guess that's intuitive, but that would also imply that people super into audio would be using entirely different equalizer settings any time they listen to different music tracks or watch different movies based on what balance sounds best, and that doesn't sound right to me. Is there not hardware (that's not like thousands of dollars and requires 4+ pieces of equipment) that can have both ends of the spectrum sound clear without them competing as much for how audible they are?

Ran out of space again

>get JM20
>still hear faint hiss
Should I get a ground loop isolator or what dongle is connected to laptop btw

>>106405631
>How would I know what products are aimed at lower bass/higher treble?
frequency response graphs tell you that.
https://squig.link/

>>106405646
does this happen with all your iems? what is (are) the sensitivities of them?

i aint baking it mkay

new >>106405948