Thread 106378591

>Signal:
>Server is centralized
>No 3rd party implementation (client/server)
>Distribution is not allowed (F-droid ...)
>A fucking phone number for registration
>Graphene:
>Hardware built on top of Google's closed tech
>Verified boot..., with Qualcomm's keys
>FOSS is vehemently discouraged whenever a proprietary alternative exists with slightly better security
>People get instantly dismissed and silenced whenever the open/closed-source backdoor question comes up
Why do glowie projects make themselves to obvious? because people are so easy to fell for it?

does this pic even add anything?
(besides containing something very cute)

>>106378591 (OP)
For the same reason that scam emails usually contain extremely broken english: it filters out smarter people, leaving only idiots to be caught in the trap

>>106378591 (OP)
thats a man

>>106378665
WOULD

Tetas

>>106378665

SOURCE?!

>>106378591 (OP)
>>FOSS is vehemently discouraged whenever a proprietary alternative exists with slightly better security
Absolutely based. Death to open source.
>i-i want my apps unstable, insecure and poorly designed but OPEN! SO WHAT IF I JUST BLINDLY INSTALL THE BINARIES FROM RANDOM PEOPLE??

>>106378665
i hoped so :D this makes him/them even cuter/prettier ^^

>>106378591 (OP)
I want to suck her cock, bros. How do I DEAL with this FEAL?

>>106378591 (OP)
>because people easily fall for it
yes, the average iq score for humanity is abysmally low. People are retarded.

Signal is lightweight and does what it promises to do, I do not see the problem.
>Muh secrecy
Use pigeons then.

>>106378822
>open source is unstable and insecure
is that why every banking system on earth uses an open source kernel for their servers?
is that why nasa uses an open source kernel for the iss and mars rover?
is that why the american army uses an open source kernel for all important communications?
is that why all big corporations, including ones that provide proprietary solutions to (you), the retard, use open source kernels for their serverside activities?

>>106378606
>>106378822
>>i-i want my apps unstable, insecure and poorly designed but OPEN!
open software is imperative to security. a black box is which you can't mention any details of security. unless you keep your mouth shut and choose to trust whatever your corpo god says to you
>le reverse engineering
lol, lmao
spotting bugs and backdoors by reading code is already hard as is.

>>106378899
Because it's free.

>>106378899
It's telling that you need to yap about some gay robot shit in Mars to prove that open-source is worth a shit or two.

>>106378921
so is windows server to microsoft. And yet instead of using their own server product which would be free to them, they use an open source kernel instead.
also, you're a faggot.

>>106378934
>gloss over the fact I mentioned banking
yeah, you got me there anon. Open source isn't important, even though the whole worlds economy relies on it.

>>106378955
waiting for the day she goes on OF

>>106378935
Because it's free as in beer it undercut all completion so hard there's no incentive to build alternatives or try to compete with it as is the case for ms.

>>106378964
>she

>>106378955
We did it, /gee/!

>>106378591 (OP)
>Server is centralized
What's your jabber id?
>No 3rd party implementation (client/server)
Go
https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android
ahead
https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-iOS
and make
https://github.com/signalapp/libsignal
one
https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Server
>Distribution is not allowed (F-droid ...)

>A fucking phone number for registration
Wow you got me here. Anyway could you spell me your jabber id? Is it anon? Capital A? at like @ or literal at? Huh? Which domain? Dot who?
>Graphene:
>Hardware built on top of Google's closed tech
Tell me which hardware has TPM and isn't closed tech. I'll consider.
>Verified boot..., with Qualcomm's keys
Which keys do expect to be used?
>FOSS is vehemently discouraged whenever a proprietary alternative exists with slightly better security
Alternative to what? Which alternative exactly are you talking about?
>People get instantly dismissed and silenced whenever the open/closed-source backdoor question comes up
I don't hear you being silenced here. A thread a day. Anyway what's your alternative?

>>106379021
>What's your jabber id?
huh?
>>Distribution is not allowed (F-droid ...)
you seem to forget this one, or...?
>could you spell me your jabber id?
why do you even ask my jabber id? what does it mean for you if I don't have one?
>Tell me which hardware has TPM and isn't closed tech. I'll consider.
what are you even talking about? I think you meant trustzone or something along?
>Which keys do expect to be used?
user-settable keys. no corpo mandated hardware root of trust, which means they literally have the most important piece of information required to compromise your device from the deepest layer
>I don't hear you being silenced here. A thread a day.
yeah, since this is not your echochamber discord room / forum full of faggy bootlicking teenagers

>post potato-faced troon
>/g/ virgins cum at a mere sight
you faggots really need to go out

>>106378591 (OP)
Made for swc

>>106379211
We're talking about alternatives here. What are the best alternatives for those two you you're mentioning in the op post and for which use cases?
>>What's your jabber id?
> huh?
So which decentralized alternative messengers you use if you don't use jabber. For which use case?
>>Distribution is not allowed (F-droid ...)
I don't know go there and read why they don't include the distribution with F-Droid: https://forum.f-droid.org/t/signal-on-f-droid/13742/15
Basically it's the same thing as with the 3rd party implementations.
>why do you even ask my jabber id? what does it mean for you if I don't have one?
I suspected you don't have one, because jabber being a better alternative security and privacy-wise is hell of a lot more impractical to use so no one fucking does it.
> what are you even talking about? I think you meant trustzone or something along?
Yes, TEE includes what TPM is doing on generic PC motherboards. I'm talking about actual open hardware for phones with similar capabilities.
> user-settable keys. no corpo mandated hardware root of trust, which means they literally have the most important piece of information required to compromise your device from the deepest layer
Cool I want that too. Please notify me when you see some options in the wild.

>>106378591 (OP)
Wait a fucking minute I remember this video. She buys the dude his dream PC but tells him he has to last a hour without coming for each PC part. Bitch cheats at the end and uses her tongue and just starts laughing..

>>106379271
It's how clothes work. Crazy i know.

>>106378964
>she

She has nice duds

>>106379434
link?

>>106379589
...

>>106378878
>lightweight
lmao

>>106378591 (OP)
>>Server is centralized
e2e encryption
>No 3rd party implementation (client/server)
do it yourself them? it's open source
>Distribution is not allowed (F-droid ...)
fork it and rename it, as simple as
>A fucking phone number for registration
not an issue, give your pseudo to people instead

what was the issue again? signal is stil the best messaging app wrt security and safety, there is a reason why glowies, gvts, drug dealers and terrorists all use it.
>Hardware built on top of samsung and a mix of other vendor's closed tech just like 100% of smartphones available on the market
>Verified boot..., with Qualcomm's keys
change it yourself
>FOSS is vehemently discouraged whenever a proprietary alternative exists with slightly better security
most of foss is utter garbage, so was openssl before heartbleed
>People get instantly dismissed and silenced whenever the open/closed-source backdoor question comes up
because you're retarded, all your backdoors are hypothetical, show us the backdoors smarty, that's all we're waiting for
>Why do glowie projects make themselves to obvious?
you're jsut too stupid to know what you're talking about, if signal and graphene, industry learders, are pozed then 100% of the ecosystem is.
> because people are so easy to fell for it?
it's the least bad we have, get that into your fucking skull.
if you want absolute security don't use a fucking smartphone and don't talk to people, that's the only way, no tech can solve these issues by nature

>>106378591 (OP)
>Signal:
>Server is centralized
No?

>Graphene:
>Hardware built on top of Google's closed tech
So?

>>106379271

Witch talk is this from? Have a link?

>>106378591 (OP)
Cute troon

>>106378822
lol mealt down

>>106379706
Server IS centralised.
Only the Signal foundation can run servers for the official Signal app.

>>106379683
>it's the least bad we have

Are you sure about that?

>>106378591 (OP)
They aren't glowie, they just don't value freedom. Might as well use Apple shit at that point. Just as secure, just as private, far less cringy.

I understand why this looks suspicious. Centralization, proprietary dependencies, forced phone numbers, and closed distribution are all legitimate red flags for surveillance or vendor control. However, there are usually practical trade-offs behind each choice, such as usability, anti-abuse measures (e.g., spam/real-person checks), performance, legal and commercial constraints, and hardware vendor lock-in. These trade-offs can cause projects to accept closed components while improving other privacy aspects. However, not every compromise indicates a covert agency project. Many teams prioritize reducing real-world harms, even if it means sacrificing perfect openness. Healthy skepticism is warranted, so demand transparency, auditability, and options such as open builds, third-party servers, reproducible builds, and independent security audits.

>>106379683
American glowies use signal because only American glowies can do timing analysis on the signal server traffic. The Signal flaws aren't relevant to them.

See "I Still Know What You Did Last Summer: Inferring Sensitive User Activities on Messaging Applications Through Traffic Analysis".

is Sess actually tor or is it private nodes

>>106379021
>>Server is centralized
>What's your jabber id?
horse@horse.xxx

>>106380123
It's their own onion network and it's not lokinet, either. You can host an XMPP server on Tor and federate with other Tor servers

>>106378973
>>106379556
>has

>>106378591 (OP)
I want her to hump my leg

>>106379683
>e2e encryption
Except they can mitm it because they’re responsible for key package exchange or whatever it’s called

>>106380415
that's why you can verify your key yourself in a menu...

>>106378591 (OP)
>Server is centralized
That's a good thing, since you cant build consumer-facing decentralized software.
>No 3rd party implementation (client/server)
irrelevant
>Distribution is not allowed (F-droid ...)
Because they do not want obsessed freetroons to ruin the experience for normal people. You can download the android apk just fine from their website.
>A fucking phone number for registration
Irrelevant since you can hide it nowadays, or even buy a disposable one for like 50 cents online. Anonymous software tends to quickly turn into airtight echo chamber for kissless virgins and /pol/cels.
>Hardware built on top of Google's closed tech
Because pixels are the only phones that are guaranteed to support verified boot
>Verified boot..., with Qualcomm's keys
framing bias
>FOSS is vehemently discouraged whenever a proprietary alternative exists with slightly better security
Because FOSS software hardly ever works, unlike proprietary software.
>People get instantly dismissed and silenced whenever the open/closed-source backdoor question comes up
Meds and BBC, NOW!

>>106381404
>Because FOSS software hardly ever works, unlike proprietary software.
Then what the fuck do you need them for? Just go get an iPhone and use iMessage.

>>106378591 (OP)
I hate seeing attractive/cute women cause my fat balding autistic ass has no shot and it reminds me of my inadequacy. Please refrain from posting cute busty nerdy women please

i NEED her dick in my ass

>>106381559
Same, we should legally qualify for disabilitybux

>>106381559
That's a troon, anon, and even then she's way out of your league. She's Chad only.

>>106381404
>or even buy a disposable one for like 50 cents online.
The phone number can hijack your account, there is no more permanent registration lock. They are liable to weaken the existing lock any time they please, they already tried once.

>>106381404
>>106379683

>>106378822
TSMT.
>>106381535
Not sure what you mean here. Signal's client is open sauce, but their back end contains proprietary anti-spam measures, since making them FOSS would completely miss a point. Furthermore, Signal itself accepted very few commits from 3rd parties, so it doesn't fully follow that whole philosophy. The fact that you can install apps on Android from 3rd party sources does not come from Android being open source, it just happens that its more convenient to have this feature for the devs.
>>106381559
>>106381607
Get a job, take a shower, loose some weight and just start socializing with people, and bitches will come to you. I am anything but attractive and more than 3 of them actually approached me first.
>>106378915
black box auditing is a thing, plus software being open doesn't mean its ultimately safe. Binaries, or even source code itself (ekhm, phobos client) can be quietly compromised because most people won't read the code,or won't reverse-engineer binaries. Also, a bunch of underpaid repo jannies will never do nearly as great job as proprietary devs.
>>106378899
serious industries use linux on servers because its free and thats the only thing it can do, work as a part of a server OS. It was, is, and will most likely always be a side of the usability margin in terms of everything that's not related to server.
>>106381615
>every foid I don't like is a troon because... because I said so, okay?

>>106381712
>The phone number can hijack your account
You have Signal pin, plus lets be honest, if you are making an account with a phone number, its probably for a burner. Signal is not a platform for autists obsessed about anonymity, but something for normal people to have a private conversation. There are plenty of anonymous echo chambers out there for you.

>>106381728
>If you disagree with me, you are a fed.

>>106381976
>t. fed

>>106378876
>the average iq score for humanity is abysmally low
lol good bait it’s 100

>>106383017
>100
as I said, abysmally low.

>>106379271
>>106379758

>>106380425
Verify what key? They act like the remote device, record message, then resend to the real target. What does verifying your own key do to change that

>Graphene:
>Hardware built on top of Google's closed tech
>Verified boot..., with Qualcomm's keys
Yeah, and what's the alternative? Apple? Samsung?

>>106383953
Nophone.