Thread 106378847

Seriously, what was the point of systemd? It's fine at what it does, but so were its competitors.
An init and service manager suite? We already had OpenRC.
Timers? We already had cron.
journald? We already had syslog.
logind? We already had ConsoleKit and acpid.
timesyncd? We already had chrony.
udevd? We literally had that already.

Yet somehow, we convinced every major player to not only adopt systemd, but to deprecate everything else on a whim.

you won't see systemd adventages as a desktop user
it's made for big infra
same with sudo

>>106378847 (OP)
to make libtards seethe is an inherently worthy goal in and of itself

>>106378847 (OP)
The official point that was mentioned all the time was "faster than SysVinit while better manageable". That's an OK enough point. Everything that came after was unnecessary and journald was downright a downgrade at first.

>>106378855
>you won't see systemd adventages as a desktop user
Wtf are you talking about. Gnome "people" are the most avid defenders of it and are pushing DEs depending on it.

>>106378901
>faster than SysVinit while better manageable
That's like saying you're not as bad as Hitler and Stalin.

>>106378932
Well mate, I would rather have OpenRC winning. But we both know the corpos wouldn't allow it. It would have been either upstart or systemd and the worst off won.

Embrace.
Extend.
Extinguish.

Same with code of conducts.

Only good thing lennart ever did was softbeep

Before CoC's, Systemd, etc, Linux was getting very secure:
Pax/Grsecurity, LibSafe, Bastille Linux, full disck encryption: the system was around for so long all it's nooks and crannies were known: and could be locked down.

So they destroyed it.
You'll delete this post now: because you're a seething white faggot who opposes loli brides and hates YHWH's law.

>>106378871
Lennart is a libtard, faggot

The ACTUAL official reason for systemd:
The US army runs some of it's tanks software on LOONIX
They needed to be sure some of the services were started.
SystemV couldn't garuentee.
So they funded systemd.
Which can.

A kernel module would have worked too;
but linus rips things out of the kernel (see recently: ReiserFS)
and is very hostile to ANY DOD project.
PaX/Grsecurity is funded by the DoD and he rejected
that in 2008, allows NSA linux in however.
Linus _HATES_ the US Army.
Any US Army funded project is disallowed from
the linux kernel de-facto.

Embrace.
Extend.
Extinguish.

Same with code of conducts.

Only good thing lennart ever did was softbeep

Before CoC's, Systemd, etc, Linux was getting very secure:
Pax/Grsecurity, LibSafe, Bastille Linux, full disck encryption: the system was around for so long all it's nooks and crannies were known: and could be locked down.

So they destroyed it.
You'll delete this post now: because you're a seething white faggot who opposes loli brides and hates YHWH's law.
>>106378871
Lennart is a libtard, faggot


The ACTUAL official reason for systemd:
The US army runs some of it's tanks software on LOONIX
They needed to be sure some of the services were started.
SystemV couldn't garuentee.
So they funded systemd.
Which can.

A kernel module would have worked too;
but linus rips things out of the kernel (see recently: ReiserFS)
and is very hostile to ANY DOD project.
PaX/Grsecurity is funded by the DoD and he rejected
that in 2008, allows NSA linux in however.
Linus _HATES_ the US Army.
Any US Army funded project is disallowed from
the linux kernel de-facto.

>>106378961
>>106378962

Asuka won.
Ladyhavoc won.
New testament won.

>>106378913
Poettering was the one grooming the GNOME people to begin with.
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-May/msg00427.html

>>106378847 (OP)
It should boot faster, and theoretically be more stable since it can monitor and control running services
Idk if this really impacts the average user though

>>106379012
Ofc, he worked for RH and now for Microsoft. No one should have trusted him from the very beginning.

>>106378986
>>Asuka won.
Sadly, some other woman won in the "reeboots".
In the original End of Evangalion: Asuka "won" by being the last female on earth.'
Shinji then choked her, and then refused to rape her.
>Ladyhavoc won.
He cut his balls off, that's not winning
>New testament won.
New testament won over Lord Havoc: he cut his balls and penis off, like Jesus demands (matthew 19, greek)

>>106378847 (OP)

I use systemd extensively to keep soft real time monitoring and production systems running in factories in the US nationwide. Of all the components in our stack, systemd is the most reliable and dependable. Bravo, systemd devs

>>106378986
"Ladyhavoc" doesn't do any work on the engine. Check the commits.

Night and day between
1) Old LordHavoc
2) 3 year interm period where he was gone
3) "ladyhavoc" era.

I still work on the engine and add new features
>BUT UR FEATURES SUUUCK!!!
Tell me another way to support over 32k entities without
1) extended the internal representation of the entity number beyond the 2 word static type it was before. (in all the many places it was pushed through)
2) extending the network representation of the entity number beyond the 2 word static type it was before. And using the algorithim used in FTE quake to do it: to keep within the "norms" of quake.
(BTW: 2 words means 2 bytes, go and figure out your max entity that way)
3) Adding a backwards compatable mode, in addition, so that if one does not wish to demand every client use the "new protocal" (LP7 (light places 7)): old clients can still play on normal maps with less than 16k entities. (in truth, they probably can play right up to 32k entities): and only drop if a newer map using tons of entities (ie for a forest where each tree can be destroyed, or the same for a city) is loaded.

How would YOU have done it
Tell me: how do you, bitwise, get over 32k in 2 bytes.
You won't.

My additions were simply necessary for on-the-fly procedurally generated maps. Which can be made by the spawnarray and spawnradial QC additions I wrote.

>>106378855
>it's made for big infra
I'm still incredibly annoyed that when I instinctively hit tab after typing systemctl restart my shell stalls like a motherfucker. Or how journalctl doesn't actually check if the service/unit passed with -u exists, and instead just prints "-- Logs begin at --". No they fucking don't - you're just saying that because I've once again forgotten that services can have aliases, you can start/stop/restart services by their alias - but journalctl ignores them. Fix the fucking tooling Poettering.
Like, the security stuff is great - and I'd much rather deal with systemd than initscripts. But sometimes it feels like I'm back in the EL6 days trying to wrangle upstart.
Also, making KillUserProcesses=yes the default on desktop was a fucking stupid change, Fedora. If you're so concerned with pulseaudio holding the sound card on logout, then fix pulseaudio to respect SIGHUP. That's the fucking point of SIGHUP. No I'm not going to run systemd-run --scope --user tmux.

>>106379091
>and then refused to rape her.
Oh they fucked good afterwards. That's why they cut it there.
>He cut his balls off
And yet they are still going strong with Xonotic. The latest master release finally has superscaling for high-quality AA.
>like Jesus demands
Jesus has pretty much been represented as every race on Earth. He is THE universal figure, which is amazing for someone whose historicity is dubious.

>>106379149
>My additions were simply necessary for on-the-fly procedurally generated maps.
Doing that at 9 FPS isn't really an achievement.

>>106379209
I paid for Unreal-style portals in Xonotic,
Encrypted Networking,
fakelight,
and map lasers.

I wrote the trigger_heal code
I modeled the tuba model.

I demand you remove the things I made for Nexuiz/Xonotic from your copy.

I rescind your license to my additions.
Since you are my enemy.

>>106379234
I am not trying to "achieve" for you:
only for me.

When I was making maps for unreal 1997 and unreal tournament 1999: 10FPS was a luxury.

Now I can have an entire city, with interiors, on the "same" thing (a laptop).
To me it is a win, and I enjoy it.

Streets of sim city, and sim copter ran at similar FPS.

A Zoomer like you wouldn't understnand.
Again: I rescind the license from every free thing I've ever done from you.

That includes Xonotic components I made.
(Tuba 3d mode, trigger_heal). From you.

>>106379209
>And yet they are still going strong with Xonotic.
No, "They" are not.
Xonotic is a dead game.
When they threw me out, when they threw Meritisa Kitsune out: they lost their mappers, programmers, and willful talent.

And we will find them and physically kill them for that. You can let them know.
>The latest master release finally has superscaling for high-quality AA.
So what? That's not on Xonotic: Xonotic cannot even compile their dev releases with crypto anymore. They forgot how.
It's on the engine. Which Xonotic doesn't edit anymore.
And it's not on "LadyHavoc": it's on whomever actually implemented it.

What is superscaling anyway?

>>106379209
My fork is superior to Xonotic:
and Xonotic is MY game.

Always has been.
1) I conspired with Divverent to fork Nexuiz.
That was MY idea.
I asked him to turn other people: and he did so: Morph3d being one of the key players.

This was over IRC.
2) I said the name should be some "techish non pronouncable name like Nexuiz was"

3) I asked for, outlined, and funded the "key features" of Xonotic, during the dusk of the Nexuiz era:
1) Unreal-Style portals.
I asked for this from divverent, outlined what I wanted, and I sent money in envelopes over to germany to divverent (Rudolf Polzer)
2) Encrypted networking
I asked for this from divverent, outlined what I wanted, and I sent money in evelopes over to germany.
3) Fake light: I noted that in the editor there was a lighting mode much like simcity 2000: why not implement that in the engine? He did it the next day, then extended it.
4) lasers in maps: I asked for this, so I could do the laser hallway from resident evil, he implemented it. again I sent money over in envelopes to germany.

The work I did myself for the end of Nexuiz, beginning of Xonotic.
QC: trigger_heal : I wanted heal pod style maps like in Unreal 1997
Model: tuba: I was asked by Divverent (Rudolf Polzer) to make a tuba: he had asked Morph3d to do it, but morphed didn't. So I looked at a picture of a tuba and modeled one, and donated it. As I was asked to.

So I am the only one, save for illfonic, that actually paid for Darkplaces/Nexuiz/Xonotic develpment, and I also contributed my own code and modeling to it. Which is still used to this day.

Thus I have an ACTUAL license for the engine, gamecode, etc. Because I paid.

Unlike you.

>>106378847 (OP)
>but so were its competitors
No the competitors outside of Solaris SMF were unreliable dogshit.

>>106379274
>1999: 10FPS was a luxury.
Pentium MMX poorfag cope.

>>106379303
>Meritisa Kitsune
I know where his house is.
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.9267106,26.0269971,3a,78.5y,79.06h,85.74t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sp3ANXntv6YEsHlUpDmfbew!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D4.26153236246401%26panoid%3Dp3ANXntv6YEsHlUpDmfbew%26yaw%3D79.05850133022989!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDgxOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
I can go beat up whoever still lives there, don't make me.

>>106378847 (OP)
>Seriously, what was the point of systemd?
IBM/Microsoft EEE on linux, also fucking up any other non-linux non-corporate unix-like os.

>>106378847 (OP)
Its great makes it easy to manage dependency chains without breaking shit. People who think it was better before never had to deal with dependency handling

>>106380003
>>>106379274
>>1999: 10FPS was a luxury.
>Pentium MMX poorfag cope.

HAHHAHAH:
Try Celeron.
You burogois tranny faggots had money: because that's what you were paid for sawing off your dicks.

Pentium MMX would have been a golden bus.

>>106380038
>I can go beat up whoever still lives there, don't make me.
Go ahead.
We are going to kill you.
So make yourself known to us.

>>106381733
Even my ancient laptop has a Pentium MMX. It's nothing special when you didn't need a budget for a 3D accelerator to play Quake.

>>106380613
These people (>>106380038 ) stole our Hacker OS from us, linus relied on hackers to write his kernel and everything else since 1993. Now he removed ReiserFS because feminist, women, and trans wanted that. They laughed about the 100kb they "freed up" for "wall papers".

Our only option is to torture them and then kill them dead.

>>106381742
Go get eaten by Krystal, faggot.
https://youtu.be/hYDe8vrPIHs
Imagine defending this dogshit.

>>106381763
I played Unreal and Unreal Tournament, And Streets of Sim City, and Sim Copter. Got 10 fps. Maybe.

9 fps for a full city, with interiors is fine for me. Doesn't bother me.

Often I get 30 fps in the cities/towns.
It's likely due to every entity having to be checked against every other entity every frame.

Any obj format map (obj_from_mc), seemingly no matter how many triangles, runs at 60 fps. Halo 4 maps etc.

Which run in MY version of the engine.
That I'm being dissed about for not having some new version of AA.

I was dissed for not having anti-aliasing for YEARS here, even though FXAA was available for 5 years now in the SOURCE CODE, in the LINUX BUILD, and in the WINDOWS BUILD, but not the MAC build because I could NOT get that build to load a map, on new OSX on NEW compiles.

Now that I added the MacOSX fix, the FXAA complaints have suddenly stopped, Now I'm dissed for not having "SXAA" or whatever it is.

Why did the FXAA complaints suddenly stop when I added the fix to the sourccode for Mac OSX, but are now replaced with "UUU DONT HAVE SXAA".
What the hell is this special anti-alisaing? I don't even have the hardware to use it. WHY would I patch it in? Can't even test if it would work.

>>106379407
>Solaris SMF
Fuck I want Solaris tech so bad. Solaris has all the good tech while Linux gets dogshit leftovers.
Is there any alternative at all in Linux that is as accurate and detailed as Solaris FMA? They gutted half of it for ZFS events daemon but Solaris has it for the whole OS. I fucking need it so bad

>>106381825
I defend him because he did good code for
1) the engine
2) Quake C

Which I still use today.
The blood drip code is his, for instance.

I am going to kill you for throwing him out.
I am going to kill every single person who
1) voted for him to be thrown out
I've archived all those votes
2) campaigned for him to be thrown out
3) after-the-fact celebrated him being thrown out.

That includes people from Darkplaces and Xonotic.
Just letting you know.

>>106378847 (OP)
>but so were its competitors
Its competitors weren't controlled by Microsoft.

>>106380038
>>106379303
>>106381742
>>106381841

Wait, that's Mircea Kitsune. I think his real name must be Mircea . That guy is a legendary 2000s/early 2010s Romanian lolcow. What did he do? Crazy seeing him here. I thought he KYS'd himself by now.

>>106383241
I found this on kf. Now I understand the connectioned between mikeeusa and mircea kitsune.

>quoting him below, too lazy to greentext it all

If you faggots and cunts didn't run Kitsune out of Darkplaces (which is run by a tranny now) and Xonotic; I could have possibly got him to implement unreal/unrealtournament BSP map loading for my fork. But you pieces of fucking shit had to be faggots (it's in your blood).

Now he's moved on to some other ... way of life.
There is opensource unreal97/unrealtournament99 code in C++
The engine is in C.

C++ code is disjointed. Difficult to wrap one's head around.
When I code a new feature for the engine it takes a month straight of programming and troubleshooting (ex: for a new file format to be loaded, or new networking code (ex: extending max entities etc)). I want someone else to do it this time.

But you pieces of fucking shit soured Kitsune on these faggot fucking projects forever.
(Darkplaces is run by a guy who cut his dick off now, im sure you would approve, Xonotic is run by people that support dick-chopping)
(Both used to be pro-freedom of speech; but I took care of that)

Remeber when opensource wasn't run by trannies like "lady" havoc? Murderers like Hans Reiser instead.

>>106381841
>>106383241
Yes.
https://youtu.be/X8dvchrbK2s?t=183

>>106384449
Kitsune is a good programmer.

>>106379016
>a stop job is running and will not time out time to call the data center and have them manually reset power

>>106380613
>IBM/Microsoft EEE on linux, also fucking up any other non-linux non-corporate unix-like os.
Zoomer retards don’t know what happened. systemd is a temu launchd remake to get around freetard allergy to the apple open source license, and Ubuntu was going to use it before Microsoft had anything to do with Linux and IBM was in a partnership with Red Hat, not Ubuntu.
There are plenty of reasons to hate it without making up schizo nonsense.

>>106386082
It was a DoD requested project to get around Linus' rejection of anything DoD related in the linux kernel (NSA is a-ok tho).

You'll tell me I'm lying but I'm not
DoD paid Redhat to build it.
A kernel module could have been made, but linus would have rejected it.

Just as he rejected PaX/Grsecurity (for the same reason: DoD project)

>>106378855
>it's made for big infra
of course, big iron/datacenter users really love the shitty childlike design philosophy, 8 trillion new commands that are completely unrelated to the stuff they learned 30 years ago, dogshit reliability, contrarian retard maintainers and constant deprecation of more and more industry standard shit that Literally Just Works, until systemd swallows it.

Updated my crusty Debian box to 13 recently and systemdick swallowed /var/log, no text log files at all.

>>106378901
it's not even faster than sysvinit in any sense, the amount of SHIT poettering packed into it does easily made up for any boot speed gained.

>>106386184
Our hacker OS was stolen from us.
This is a matter of honour.

There must be killings.

>>106386184
The 30 yr old system was getting very secure: PaX patch for the kernel, libsafe, bastille linux.
People had learned how to secure it.

So they torpedo'd that.
Invented social control for Opensource software.
Put women and trans incharge of everything.

They took what was ours.
What we collectivly built.

They need to be killed.