Thread 106381442

NICGIGA IS THE GIGA NICA.

THOSE FRAMES AREN'T GETTING THROUGH UNRAPED.

>>106381442 (OP)
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife. They be inspecting ERRYBODY'S PACKETS out here.

>>106381442 (OP)
Don't buy 2.5GbE, it's a temporary holdover until low power 10GbE hits the market (later this year or early next year).

>>106381472
>Don't buy 2.5GbE
Why?
>it's a temporary holdover until low power 10GbE hits the market
So?

do they have a managed version of that available? might check that out if so

>>106381505
LAYER 3 CAN'T UNRAPE THOSE FRAMES

>>106381472
2 more weeks

>>106381578
The PHYs were announced like 6-8 months ago, finished product designs were shown off at a trade show in late July. It's happening kiddo.

>>106381501
So 2.5GbE PHYs are shit because they only have consumer applications, anyone with actual money just buys established 10GbE PHYs that had the kinks worked out a decade and a half ago from hardcore datacenter and enterprise users.

2.5GbE PHYs are riddled with bugs because no one gives a shit if a consumer has bufferbloat due to terrible queue/buffer management.

>>106381648
Yeah, it's happening in 2 more weeks.

>>106381505
THE GIGA NICA CANNOT BE MANAGED

>>106381667
>nothing ever happens
and then when it does you faggots just reply back with some shit about
>well nuclear war hasn't happened, so nothing has ever happened until that happens

>>106381667
It's happening
But it's going to be awhile before mainstream vendors actually give it up for what it's worth.

Once you sell a consumer a 10G NIC, 10g switch and a 10g capable router, that's it. There is no going faster in a consumer friendly form factor. Consumers likely aren't getting 25Gb or 40Gb. Getting 40Gb over copper is hard enough, much more trying to do it over 100ft.

It would be a cold day in hell if they ever market fiber for general networking to consumers because it's a necessity over 10G

>>106381883
>Consumers likely aren't getting 25Gb or 40Gb
Not even enterprise customers get 25GbE or 40GbE over copper.

The 25GbE and 40GbE standards were submitted and accepted, but not a single hardware vendor has ever actually made a PHY, even as a demo.


They're paper specs.

>>106381911
I'm aware, that's why I said it's unlikely.
25/40Gb over twisted pair would never have even made sense for enterprise.
Atleast where I work the last serious used of 10GBase-t anything was a little less than 15 years ago and even then they didn't use RJ45.

>>106381457
Hahahaha wow a blast from the past

>>106381472
the point of 2.5gbe is that it doesn't require cat6+ cable. if your house is wired with cat5e that's the best you're getting

>>106381911
There are DAC cables, but those are too short for anything that's not right next to each other.

>>106382673
Yeah but I wouldn't really consider an SFP/QSFP DAC cable, even if copper, to be the same as RJ45 twisted pair copper used for normal Ethernet. Like yeah, it's technically copper, and yes it might use ethernet frames, but it's hardly what a consumer would consider to be ethernet.

>>106382485
Nah i've got 10gbps runs using CAT5e.

Just don't try to go more than like 50 feet and you're generally fine, unless you're using ancient CAT5e, or super cheap chink CAT5e.

>>106381442 (OP)

100fx will not storm too severe

>>106381472
>low power 10GbE hits the market (later this year or early next year).
Finally

>>106381442 (OP)
I saw this when I clicked the picture.

>>106385280
Wow, I'm shocked you would make that connection

>>106381911
>Not even enterprise customers get 25GbE or 40GbE over copper.
DACs are a thing. Copper is fine (and arguably even preferable) over short distances. The majority of my rack is done with copper, and I only use 25 and 40Gbit nics between machines.

I do agree that you won't see residential stuff jumping away from ethernet anytime this decade (and probably the next).

>>106383004
Ahh I guess you addressed that. Well I'll leave it in the message regardless.

What's going to kill any attempt to transition off of ethernet is PoE. PoE is the backbone of fucking everything these days. Consumers are buying PoE cameras. Everyone (including people building luxury homes) want increasingly hungry and ridiculously fast wireless access points. Some of the cameras have lights that can make the camera draw upwards of 20 watts now. Some of the newer access points can draw upwards of 40 because they're either trying to run 3 sets of 4x4 MIMO antennae, or doing absolute clownfuck stuff with directional equipment and running dozens of antennae to filter out background noise.

>>106385754
What are they gonna do with all that cables now that everything is being replaced with clouds?

>>106385822
those are the """"""""""""""""clouds""""""""""""""""""""

>>106382485
You can do that with 10GbE and be futureproofed for when you upgrade your wiring

Bump

>>106385754
>Some of the cameras have lights that can make the camera draw upwards of 20 watts now
Ubiquiti's AI PTZ camera is over 50 watts PoE.

>Some of the newer access points can draw upwards of 40
Similarly, ubiquiti's highest end AP (E7 audience) draws over 50W PoE as well.

>>106381472
>until low power 10GbE hits the market

You mean never ever. Enterprise already moved to 25/40/100G so they have no reason to make new 10GbE chips, you'll have to wait until Realtek makes a new buggy as fuck chipset. They only just recently made a 5GbE one.

>>106381472
Your fucking pc storage isn't writing at 10gb

>>106389462
NVME SSDs do 600MB/s writes regularly, 2.4GB/s reads as well.
That's 5/20 Gbps in network terms.
Use 4x2TB SSDs in RAID0 PCI-E 16X cards for ultra-fast disk bandwidth, or even RAMDisks.

Not saying any of this makes sense, unless the systems your driving require large data-sets to be worked on from every (e.g video editing/encoding), for a home setup, but the prosumer options that play in the lower-end of magnitude of the professional corporate options, are definitely there.

>>106389361
Realtek has a chipset already, it should be hitting the market soon.

Less than 2W per port 10GbE.

>>106390069
>it should be hitting the market soon
Two more weeks

>>106390202
See >>106381874

>>106381442 (OP)
Whoever goes to 2.5 and not straight to 10 better rethink their lives.

>>106390361
Still waiting on all those pedos involved with Epstein to go to prison. Just two more weeks, right? How about Trump wanting to lock up Hilary Clinton, just two more weeks, right? US was supposed to be at war with China decades ago. Just two more weeks, right? I was told in the 90s that we would have flying cars in a decade. Just two more weeks, right? Was also told that we would all die from acide rain, no ozone, and an ice age by 2000. Just two more weeks, right? I can go on and on. Nothing ever happens.

>>106390404
And when it does, you shift the goal posts.
Russia will never invade Ukraine, Ukraine will never hold out more than a few days, etc, etc.

>>106389361
Aquantia is already low power and is a pretty brand new 10G NIC
https://www.servethehome.com/networking-cheap-gigaplus-10gbase-t-adapter-mini-review-marvell-aqc113/

>>106390427
>And when it does, you shift the goal posts
So we're going to somehow go back in time and invent flying cars by 2008? We're somehow going to retroactively cause an ice age & acid rain in 2000? Just how stupid are you?

>>106390468
>some things didn't happen therefore nothing will ever happen
Wew, youve cracked the code dude, might as well kill yourself now and save the time.

>>106381501
it just doesn't seem like a worthwhile investment, having to upgrade the all the switches and NICs involved, just to get 2.5, which is already slow in ethernet standards, especially with the low power realtek 10GbE just around the corner. if gigabit is seriously not enough for you, then it won't take long for 2.5 to also not be enough.

>>106390519
So by your own logic, I can claim literally anything, and you'll agree that it'll eventually happen?

>>106390459
That's still almost 2x the power draw of the new realtek 10GbE chips.

The AQC113 uses 3.5-4.5W
The RTL8127 uses about 1.95W

>>106390549
No but something like an ethernet PHY that was announced earlier this year, retail designs shown off last month, and doom posting "2 more weeks" as a response to its imminent arrival on the market, and of course I'm going to make fun of you like you're a spastic retarded moron, because clearly, you are.

>>106383015
fucking Cat5e MASTER RACE, literally never obsolete.
everything else is cumbersome bloat.

>>106390582
Then you just conceded your argument. Thanks for admitting I'm right and you're wrong. I accept your concession. Filtered. Reply more, I won't see it. I know you can't resist, you're already typing.