Thread 106381680

Should I fall for the /g/ linux memes or just skip all the autism and go straight to the final redpill?

It's such a huge jump I can't imagine someone like this was using Arch because they wanted to have control over their OS or actually use it. Most likely to feel cool. If that's the case for you OP then skip the step.

gay loser virgin

>>106381680 (OP)
Just use mint or ubuntu bro

>>106381680 (OP)
>final redpil
Is and has always been x86 gaymer laptop + windows pro edition

Anything else is useless ewaste.

>>106381696
>Most likely to feel cool
It's this, basically every hobby these days is performative. The same shit happening to cars and anime is also happening to the Linux scene.

>>106381680 (OP)
Apple's blatently the bluepill in this scenerio.
>Morpheus: do you want to go through all this shit to understand what's actually going on
>(You): Nope *grapbs Apple and leaves*

>>106381680 (OP)
>>106381696
>>106381805
>>106381817
>he fell for the linux meme

>>106381680 (OP)
all 3 have their use cases
>windows
software compatibility
>mac
ease of use
>linux
control

only use linux if you are actually in the tech industry or wanna be
otherwise it's a waste of time really
use windows if you need games or other windows only software, and mac if not
just that simple really

stuff like Arch is for faggots though, only kids use it, who think copy pasting commands from the wiki means they are l33t haxxors

>>106381867
ARCHTODDLERS BTFO

>>106381680 (OP)
>Retard goes from one extreme to the other
Many such cases. You doing have to use distros that break and autismo window managers to use Linux, you know. You can just use a normal distro like Debian or Fedora with KDE.

>>106381856
What meme? I'm enjoying having control over my computer like I never did. It's not for everybody, and I'll admit that. But I didn't go into it thinking it would be easy. I went in with a pure hatred of big tech and a desire to control as much as I can myself. In that sense it's been quite fulfilling.
And hell in the age of AI you don't even need to read guides. Just ask claude or some shit and it can give you the command lines if you're lazy.

>>106381680 (OP)
>skip all the autism and go straight to the final redpill?
I already use artix doe

>>106381680 (OP)
ThinkPad is a nice Laptop if you use it with Windows, just buy a new one.
Linux is a no go for me cuz
>power management issues
>random shit like finger print reader not working because shit or non existent drivers
>too much fragmentation and moving parts, means anything can break at anytime.
>personally interested graphics and game dev stuff for which windows is the industry standard

The problem with Linux is everyone always recommends stupid tinker distros.
>Use Gentoo
Why so I can spend a weekend getting stuff to work that works out of the box on any normal distro?
>Use Arch
Why so I can larp about control while using the same setup everyone else is using and then post a picture to Unix porn for some cheap updoots?

If you actually want to use Linux long term and not just as a meme pick a distro that people actually use to get shit done. I would suggest fedora, Ubuntu, or possibly mint, but I haven't used it. I have used some of the memes myself, but over time you realize the workflow just sucks. I don't want to compile every time I get an update. I don't want to waste space on backups I am not going to use. I don't want to have to fuck with configs every time I update because it has to be reproducible. The secret redpill of Linux is that you always lose control anyways unless you have Stallmans discipline. You'll lose it either when you install and discover that only proprietary firmware/software allows your wifi to work, or when you want some software that isn't packaged on your distro so you just use a flatpak which probably isn't "pure" according to the rules of your distro.

>>106381961
The problem lies with FOSS tinker trannies,they just don't understand users.

>>106381961
>I would suggest fedora
botnet
>Ubuntu
botnet
>or possibly mint,
terrorist botnet

>>106382011
>Don't understand users
I think partially this, but I think its more forgetting the point. The computer is a tool that we use to get things done. If the tool isn't fit for purpose out of the box then its a crappy tool. If you bought a hammer and had to assemble it to prove that you were in control people would think you were insane.
>>106382015
>Everything that actually works is a botnet
By this logic everything that isn't Linux from scratch is a botnet because they have distro maintainers that secretly have power over you. The problem there is that shock gasp, there are kernel maintainers that have power over you!? Everything is botnet return to Amish now!

>>106382077
amish are based

>>106381680 (OP)
Anyone who spends that much time trying to find some imaginary optimum is always going to fail.

The final redpill is to just slap any of the big distros on there and use a desktop environment configured to mostly the default.

I just install Kubuntu, set up a few hotkeys and a solid color desktop background. That gives me a fully functional and useful environment to do actual work with. I work as a software developer targeting embedded Linux devices, so I spend all my days doing actual work. No time to waste on ricing the computer.

>>106381680 (OP)
get a mac book pro 2012 version, open it up (yes you can do that with those versions) and replace the HDD with an SSD, then install linux.
Best of both worlds. Plus it's cheap. No lenovo memepad, and no shitty software from apple.

>>106381812
>>106381856
>>106381943
>>106381961
>on /g/
>filtered by simple tech
imagine being these guys
>>106382015
what does terrorist botnet mean?

>>106382187
It's the other way around loonix gets filtered by users for being crap

>>106382187
>Filtered
So using it and not liking the workflow is the same thing as not understanding it to you? Sounds like cope. The workflow on Arch and Gentoo just sucks. I know you feel like wasting hours to prove a point to no one, but some of us actually like to use our computers to get things done and not just fuck with configs all day.

>getting filtered by arch
ngmi

>>106382278
>the workflow on arch and gentoo
things to say to prove you've never used linux

>>106381680 (OP)
Looks more like a red suppository but ydy queen.

>>106382278
>The workflow on Arch and Gentoo
Lmao anon this makes no sense, the difference between any linux distro and another isn't "workflow". Workflow is more determined by DE and software you use, not the distro/OS.
But then again why would a wintoddler know anything about anything.

>>106382278
>not liking the workflow
>Arch and Gentoo
Retard those are distros. They don't have a workflow. The workflow comes from the DE or WM, like XFCE, KDE, GNOME, etc
>Fedora, Ubuntu
GNOME, bullshit
>Mint
Cinnamon, even worse than GNOME, kys if you use this
...
If you really like Windows try KDE, e.g. Fedora KDE edition. Honestly when I first used Linux I thought it was a retarded waste of time, but that was because I was using GNOME and most distros nowadays are fucking GNOME. Once I tried KDE everything clicked and I got an actual workflow. GNOME has no workflow. Cinnamon is legacy bullshit.

>>106382187
>simple tech

>>106382015
>terrorist botnet
gee I'm already using mint no need to sell it even harder

>>106382364
macos:
>downloads random DMG from the internet
>has to mount and manually install application
>"simple"
linux:
>opens app store
>searches google chrome
>clicks install
>"hacker"
id post flathub image but it wont fuck let me, fuck hiroshimoot for blocking my ip range

>>106382385
what does it mean to be terrorist botnet though? Didn't make sense to me.

>>106382364
>typical linux experience
disingenuous piece of shit. You can literally use linux without ever opening a terminal. Many distros and DEs achieve this. Valve has proven this with steamOS.
So yes, it's simple tech if that's your skill level. But you're apparently so bad that you got filtered by even that.

>>106382304
>>106382330
>>106382363
>Updating and downloading software isn't part of a workflow
Its not just DE or software that determine workflow. If you are developing software often times you need an up to date version of what you are using. If getting an up to date version requires waiting for hours to compile then that is a bad workflow full stop.
>But on arch
Yeah sure your not compiling but the AUR is basically the NPM of Linux. Arch basically just gave up on managing the repos. The nice thing about well curated package repos is that you don't have to expand your circle of trust beyond the people who are maintaining your software. Arch gives up on verification for speed. Which is why they have malware on their repos.

>>106382364
>pls daddy tell me what I can do
typical iToddler.

>>106382449
>what does it mean to be terrorist botnet though? Didn't make sense to me.
he's just a schizo

>>106382364
>Gets filtered by apt

>>106381817
Use case for understanding what's actually going on?

>>106382452
>developing software
>need an up to date version
DING DING DING!!! NIXOS IS THE DISTRO FOR YOU!!!
>72000 packages, more than AUR or all other distro combined https://repology.org/repositories/graphs
>source based model like gentoo, patch and recompile any package in your system in minutes
>binary cache so most packages are precompiled, only things you have to compile are things you patch or create yourself
>flakes let you version your deps and pin them like a language package manager
>only downside is you need to learn an entire DSL to use it

>>106381943
>Linux is a no go for me cuz power management issues
Weird. I use Linux BECAUSE you can make a minimal, low resource installation that doesn't have a bunch of unnecessary bloat and telemetry constantly running. I like getting 13 hours out of my "10 hour" battery.

I just wish I knew about the BSD operating systems sooner, since those are even lighter on resources. I already have a gaming PC, so the only thing I use my laptop for is coding and listening to Youtube videos. Having insane battery life is very helpful when you want to work somewhere that doesn't have easy access to a power outlet.

>>106381680 (OP)
The issue with linux is that non-apple laptops are so much worse
linux on desktop is… okay. not great, not terrible

>>106381793
That rhymes with something… Jay… idk

>>106381680 (OP)
>the final redpill?
You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

>>106382447
>fuck hiroshimoot for blocking my ip range
FOSSNEETS BTFO

>>106381812
Kek literally what i did. picked up some old gaming laptop with 1650 for 300 bucks. can do everything from coding to playing vidya

>>106381696
Both Arch and MacOS are peak but they have a different set of trade-offs. But modern Thinkpads are kind of meh, so I can understand why he went for a Macbook

>>106381680 (OP)
I don't care what any of your incel NEETs say, the build quality of a MacBook Pro is way better than any StinkPad or gay shit you're always shilling here. If your laptop doesn't have an aluminum unibody, don't even talk to me.

>>106382508
I am a devops/sysadmin person so I need to know. I do not think normal people need to know. I install Ubuntu for others and myself.

If I couldn't use a mac for some reason, I'd go back to chinkpads with some flavor of loonix because I don't game anymore, but I can have a mac, so that's what I'll use.

>>106382364
>>106382481
Shouldn't even be using apt on Shitbuntu, or if you do, then you shouldn't even be filtered by it either.
>pic
Mint's updater.
Not gonna lie, FreeCAD is stuck there, somehow, updates, but never disappears.
Probably the developers who maintain the flatpak screwed something up, no idea.
That's the kind of quirk you have to deal with in Loonix, with a bunch of independents (somehow still miraculously functionally) working together.

>>106383425
>forgot pic
PEBKAC'ed myself

>>106381812
>fagtop
>redpill

>>106381812
how cucked are you that you cant sit down at your own desk and use your computer that you need to be able to bring your computer with you where ever you go lmao

>>106383239
based rational /g/bro

yes

>>106383958
gno..........

>>106381680 (OP)
Linux is fun if you're unemployed and have a lot of free time to tinker with your OS and customize shits.
Otherwise if you have a job go with a Macbook.

>>106382508
Ask Neo. This wasn't any statement about you should choose linux. It's that the pill analogy works perfectly the opposite of what OP said

>>106383958
DILATE THIS

does setting up arch in wsl take different steps than normally? like can you configure a desktop environment in it or is it just meant to be linux terminal on windows?

>>106384343
If you want a desktop environment then a virtual machine is what you're looking for. WSL basically gives you Linux bash control via windows terminal, like gitbash but extra steps

>>106382449
>what does it mean to be terrorist botnet though? Didn't make sense to me.
I think someone involved in Mint said something negative about Israel, and so the parody insult people use against it is to call Mint pro-terrorist or something. I don't think 90% of the people who say so feel strongly; they're just trolling and that's the only thing they know about Mint.

>>106381680 (OP)
>straight for the final red pill
I already use Void

>>106384006
Macbooks can't do my job without using Parallels

yes

arch is really good user experience if you dont force yourself to use those dumbass hipster DE's and use archinstall. easy and simple

>>106382015
Ubuntu is botnet, but Fedora is not.
>>106382363
>I am going to give an explanation and the prove I am also a retard that does not know
Fedora is not GNOME exclusive, it has KDE and other DE
https://fedoraproject.org/spins
It even has a netboot iso where you can pick what to install.
https://fedoraproject.org/everything/download

>>106382600
Le Bloat has no relation to battery life, as I said it's just basic power management which is non existent on linux distros, in 99% of cases battery life reduces significantly, infact you have to install bloat to make it work somewhat, even then it isn't guaranted lmao and this is just one of the problems btw.
>>106383039
MacOS is garbage software

>>106386034
>MacOS is garbage software
Better than linux will ever be.

>>106386034
>Le Bloat has no relation to battery life
>Unnecessary processes and operations somehow don't consume power
>???
What power management features are you using on Windows/Mac that aren't available on Linux? And even if you do have to install a package to get your desired power management, a small number of tailor made single purpose packages are the opposite of bloat.

>>106381680 (OP)
Nice. Now try an Electron app like Obsidian and see what Hyprland does.
>ah, well, er, I wanted it be be floating only, in front of everything else!

>>106381696
loonix gives you the ultimate cuck experience
spend all your time building and maintaining stuff for billionaires to make money off of while being rewarded by getting called a loser neckbeard
troonix should've been shut down a long time ago and become a novelty like plan9 or templeos

>>106386404
>>Unnecessary processes and operations somehow don't consume power
That's irrelevant when your OS doesn't have power management features in the first place
>What power management features are you using on Windows/Mac
Ask that to loonix fangoys on YouTube who have a hour long videos on how to le increase battery life on loonix.

>>106381812
>[the final redpil [sic]] is and has always been x86 gaymer laptop + windows pro edition
>picture of gaben, a dude who is endorsing linux these days

>>106381961
You refuse the two options which help you retain control without having Stallman's discipline, and then complain that your apt/rpm-based distros cant keep their shit together. Sounds like a (You) problem.
It's alright. Stay with what works for you, no one's making you switch oses. Don't argue with shills, they're braindead and should kys.

>>106381680 (OP)
Buy a Mac and install Linux on your current computer

Modern ChinkPad + Windows 10/11 LTSC IoT.
Anything else is a LARP meme.

>>106384903
Good thing you're employed and can buy a license.

>>106381680 (OP)
>xitter thread
>all these replies
KIll yourselves

>>106381680 (OP)
>>106382364
>>106383958
>paid FBI moderator
>anons know they are after 4chan hack
>they spam these 24/7
>all this effort and anons still hate proprietary and love FOSS
Same with Brave that is advertised 24/7, shitting on Librewolf, yes Brave that is proprietary (no reproducible binaries), stole money from users, sold user data, manipulated referral links etc. They are connected with US parties like NSA, FBI, CIA etc., all Brave traffic goes through their servers, all search queries go to them also, Brave is largest LGBT supporter (16 million dollars for LGBT community) than any other browser, you support Google Chromium spyware monopoly etc.

Remember that people advertising Brave are paid to do so.

>>106384695
>anti-israel
switching to mint rn

>>106382187
>what does terrorist botnet mean?
The mint dev stood with palestine in a forum post, and later retracted it because zome zogbots stepped in to brainwash him

so this zogbot is calling it terrorist distro regardless

>>106381696
>Most likely to feel cool.
That's what people mean when they say they want "control over their OS" they think it makes them sound cool.

>>106384695
>>106388812
I think later on Clement backtracked on this, stating that the conflict was much more complicated than he originally thought ... unfortunately

>>106381680 (OP)
thinkpads were only worth getting in the 2010s, you missed the boat.

>>106381680 (OP)
If you're happy with funding one of the most corrupt companies in the West go right ahead and get a Mac for significantly more than you'd pay for a PC of similar performance.

>>106389236
>Clement
sounds like a faggot

>>>106381680 (OP)
yes

Just start with installing it in VM to try it out.
You can use chatbots to help you with most things and explain how things work. It should be pretty easy to get started compared to 10 years ago.
There's a lot of manual stuff you have to do in the terminal to get things working for the most part.
But that's the price you pay for getting to own your OS and being able to modify it and so on.

I reccommend you try xubuntu. It's a distribution of ubuntu with xfce desktop enviromnent preinstalled.
It works well, and the desktop environment (the look and feel and placement of elements like menus and such) is very customizable as is, and it's easy for beginners because you do it through normal graphical user interfaces. There are lots and lots of settings and options you can fiddle with to make it perfect for your usecase.
xfce is probably the easiest and most configurable desktop environment to use if you come from windows or mac and just want something that works out of the box.

>>106381793
spwp

no

>>106381680 (OP)
Buy apple, never have privacy, vidya or an opinion worth listening to in your life again. You will be happier.

>>106381680 (OP)
laptop fags are the worst

>>106392012
ok boomer

>>106381793
how have you not been arrested yet