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Anonymous No.106382208 >>106382236 >>106382293 >>106382313 >>106382329 >>106382332 >>106382370 >>106382379 >>106382400 >>106382493 >>106382626 >>106383738 >>106384721 >>106385236 >>106385444 >>106385622 >>106385686 >>106385739 >>106386472 >>106386478 >>106386651 >>106386882 >>106388816
Sustainable abundance
Anonymous No.106382236 >>106382293 >>106389151
>>106382208 (OP)
Why do we hate AI again? This is awesome
Anonymous No.106382251 >>106382267 >>106382272 >>106382285 >>106384737 >>106385464 >>106385658 >>106386472 >>106386929 >>106387095
And who is paying for all these things
Anonymous No.106382267
>>106382251
the mexican robots
Anonymous No.106382272
>>106382251
Us.
Anonymous No.106382275 >>106382281 >>106382357
He never said when
Just that it could evolve into those standards
So this could be another 50 years from now
Anonymous No.106382281
>>106382275
50 normal years, or 50 elongated years?
Anonymous No.106382285 >>106385045
>>106382251
>Brainlet doesn't understand productivity increase
Anonymous No.106382293 >>106382434 >>106389039
>>106382208 (OP)
>>106382236
>Facebook performing unethical and non-consensual experiments on people (spamming feeds with depressing shit and watching suicide rates go up)
>OpenAI being run by a serial child rapist
>Microsoft trying to flood the USA with street shitters
>Elon trying to flood the USA with street shitters, saying people don't deserve jobs if they're not willing to work 18 hours a day for a 30k salary
Somehow this is the guy I'm supposed to believe will be giving everyone free food, free housing, free medical care, and everything else?
Anonymous No.106382313
>>106382208 (OP)
The topians on every side say this is the end state. When it doesn't manifest there must be people are actively stopping them. Not simply that abundance is far more difficult to build than for humanity to increase its demands always upward to the point allocation somehow becomes an issue again
Anonymous No.106382314
>medical care
>in America
Oh Elon you're truly a man sized baby
Anonymous No.106382329
>>106382208 (OP)
We don't live in a post-scarcity civilization. Elon full of shit as usual.
Anonymous No.106382332 >>106389202
>>106382208 (OP)
It's not like people were saying the exact same shit in the 50s or at the height of industrialization
>I swear, everything i so cheap to produce hardly anyone will have to work anymore!
Anonymous No.106382357
>>106382275
two more decades just like his self driving cars
Anonymous No.106382370
>>106382208 (OP)
> muh working people
Do they ever stop crying?
Anonymous No.106382379 >>106382391 >>106386472 >>106386767
>>106382208 (OP)
This can never happen because raw resources are finite.
Also by the end of this century human population will decline by around 40%
Anonymous No.106382391 >>106382492 >>106389094
>>106382379
>resources are finite
just 3d print , it's that simple
Anonymous No.106382400 >>106382492
>>106382208 (OP)
>things have only become more and more expensive even with the absurd productivity gains from the past years
It's pretty much over for capitalism
Anonymous No.106382434 >>106382453
>>106382293
He's the biggest clown of the century, him & other technofascists make humanity look retarded. AI was a mistake
Anonymous No.106382453 >>106382535 >>106382576 >>106384705
>>106382434
>technofascists
Please explain
Anonymous No.106382492
>>106382391
average /g/tard IQ everyone
read the word before resources will you?>>106382400
not really, a lot of things, for example - anything electronic has become extremely cheaper, you get more things faster for less.
Anonymous No.106382493 >>106382679 >>106385521
>>106382208 (OP)
You could argue we're in a sustainable abundance right now with how much food is wasted every day and how many people spend 100x the cost of a cheap product to ship it across the world.
UBI will never be a thing because people will not be satisfied (for long) with a basic standard of living. Give everyone $1mil a year to travel or do whatever they want but eventually they will be unhappy they can't have what someone making $1.1m a year has.
By people I mean women btw. Women are designed to be unhappy if things stay the same for too long.
Anonymous No.106382515
Space Karen is losing it you guys. Maybe she should get off the ketamine, lol
Anonymous No.106382535 >>106382576 >>106386820
>>106382453
Current tech capital controlling us, very surveillance-based because of money and blackmail. They arent only nationalists or racists, they worship money and technology, have you seen the fucking AI cults even from the top
Elon and co arent even real nazis, theyre soulless numbers-sucking agents, humanity haters
Anonymous No.106382576 >>106382641 >>106382664 >>106382960
>>106382453
>>106382535
The tech in technofascist doesn't usually mean technology, it's more broadly technocratic.
The left and right wing strains of 'actually laymen don't deserve to have an opinion' run pretty deep these days.
Trust the experts.
Muh innovators and job creators.
etc
Anonymous No.106382626
>>106382208 (OP)
He's an abundance lib now?
Anonymous No.106382641
>>106382576
Yeah this. 'meritocracy' suckers
But also they finally managed to make most customers eat the soulless bullshit that is AI, population gets retarded while they use better ones to commit genocides, so I have a special hate for this kind of clanker bj bullshit
Anonymous No.106382664
>>106382576
>The left and right wing strains of 'actually laymen don't deserve to have an opinion' run pretty deep these days.
Frankly I see it kind of dying down on both sides. OSA really caused a titanic vibe shift.
Anonymous No.106382679 >>106384618
>>106382493
>with how much food is wasted every day
How do you plan on transporting the wasted food to the people that need it? Most of the wasted food spoils and the people that need it most are usually thousands of miles away.
Anonymous No.106382960
>>106382576
Your explanation makes more sense. But what you call "technofascism" is not an end, it's just a means
Anonymous No.106383076
The thing with these libertarian tech giant people is they want to be the ones that determine who lives or dies. It's not a universal income, it's a "I permit you to exist on my planet as long as you bow before me" token.
Anonymous No.106383738
>>106382208 (OP)
so who pays for this abundance if there are no people to buy the product that robots make because they are unemployed?
Anonymous No.106384618
>>106382679
What plan? I'm saying we already live in sustainable abundance because of how much food even the poorest class of people throw away that 150 years ago would've been luxury to even the highest class.
Anonymous No.106384705
>>106382453
Buddy, what rock have you been living under? The wealthiest people in our society have created a system of mass surveillance, propaganda, and social control. They are investing heavily into AI because they think that it can automate the monitoring and killing process so that they donโ€™t have to rely on armed security and police to do their bidding.
Anonymous No.106384721
>>106382208 (OP)
GPT-5 opened the eyes of normies, no one believes in the AI meme anymore
Anonymous No.106384737
>>106382251
My robo sugarmommy
Anonymous No.106385045 >>106385112
>>106382285
Productivity increases haven't improved workers' lives since 1970.
Anonymous No.106385112
>>106385045
To piggyback on this, the average worker's productivity has increased in indirect proportion to the real purchasing power of the cost of labour; despite being more productive than ever, you are being compensated for your work less than ever in terms of what your paycheque can actually buy (not necessarily the actual dollar value of it.)
Anonymous No.106385236
>>106382208 (OP)
after he kills you this will happen, he will cull the herd to only those sheeps he need to function.
Anonymous No.106385444 >>106385522
>>106382208 (OP)
elon musk could feed every starving person in the world with his wealth
why do we have to wait for robots again?
Anonymous No.106385464 >>106388783
>>106382251
If no one has a job then nobody will be paying for anything anyways. Once AI and robotics take over all possible fields, money will become a hindrance to society.
Anonymous No.106385521
>>106382493
>By people I mean women btw. Women are designed to be unhappy if things stay the same for too long.
...or if they have less/worse *anything* than another woman, or if any man that isnt her property is successful
...or if MOD(DAY,28) <= 6 (these often synchronize across groups of women)
...or if they haven't done anything "exciting" (reckless, dramatic, hateful, spiteful) recently

humanity will never be happy because 51% of us are hormonally programmed to be insufferable and perpetually unhappy.
Anonymous No.106385522 >>106385563 >>106385835
>>106385444
>elon musk could feed every starving person in the world with his wealth
Great, now there are 3 times as many starving people to feed because they keep raping and breeding like retarded animals. Great fucking job you big retard.
Anonymous No.106385563 >>106385576
>>106385522
elon could also provide them with contraceptives and abortion
Anonymous No.106385576
>>106385563
>contraceptives and abortion
Considering the men who get aids try to rape virgins to cure themselves I don't think contraceptives would be too useful.
Anonymous No.106385622
>>106382208 (OP)
Devilโ€™s in the house of the rising sun
Rising sun as in: promised a bright future but your soul is damned and he wonโ€™t deliver (OP the faggot never delivers)
Anonymous No.106385658
>>106382251
The machines produce everything and you just take anything you need or want for free. Food is already like this, a lot of it gets thrown away in developed countries. You don't actually need to pay for food at all, there are many ways to get it for free legally, but it's inconvenient to scavenge for food like that, and some might fight it embarrassing.

Robotics will hopefully make everything abundant like that.
Anonymous No.106385686
>>106382208 (OP)
>the global population increased to 50 billion the next year and then everybody died
Anonymous No.106385725
In all honesty even if his robots are fake as fuck and his cars don't drive themselves 20 years after he said they would "next year"...he's still one of the only people rich enough to talk like this and have any chance of making it happen.

He has more than enough money to run experiments on some island, I'm sure a lot of people would sign up for some sort of automated utopia test with human stand-ins for the automated parts.
Anonymous No.106385739
>>106382208 (OP)
>free money for everyone
hahhahahahahahahahah
>we're going to magically get rid of trillion dollar industries because star trek will become real!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Anonymous No.106385825 >>106386665
Elon is retarded; The best medical care is nothing, best food is cheap cooking. best transport is old ass car that always worked. I'll give him "home" though, it costs a lot to live away from niggers.
Anonymous No.106385835
>>106385522
But raping feels good. You can have a job and rape too you know.
Anonymous No.106386472 >>106386666
>>106382208 (OP)
And by everyone he means the 600k humans left on earth that are allowed to live and breed, just as a backup to the robots in case a solar flare fries their entire infrastructure.
>>106382251
The robots.
>>106382379
The only resource we don't have a good replacement for is plastic. Once oil runs out we will have to use bio degradeable trash and keep recycling the little plastic we do have.
Anything else can be recycled.
There MIGHT be a problem in the absolute amounts of materials. We might not have enough to manufacture tens of billions of robots that will serve all of humanity. That's why greenfags suggest a reduction of the human population. Remember the Georgia guidestones?
Anonymous No.106386478
>>106382208 (OP)
>war with machines begins
>God comes alive and destroys every city in retaliation
Now what
Anonymous No.106386651
>>106382208 (OP)
He forgot to mention to qualify you will be chemically castrated through the water and food supply and only the billionaires like him and Peter Thiel and his choosenites will be allowed to repopulate the Earth (not that it affects me since I wouldn't be able to convince a woman to fuck me, but still).
Anonymous No.106386665
>>106385825
and if they're providing housing they'll never let you live away from them they'll show up
Anonymous No.106386666
>>106386472
Surely there's some chemical process to turn raw minerals + energy into plastic.
Anonymous No.106386767 >>106386802 >>106386878
>>106382379
As a thought experiment, picture:

the minimum amount of clothing you need for the rest of your life if clothing was scarce. IE you're wearing shit until it falls apart. Probably a couple hundred pairs of socks, half that for underwear, a dozen good pairs of pants, same with sweaters. A few dozen Tshirts. 4-6 coats both heavy light and for rain. 4 or 5 pairs of shoes that are re-soleable. Picture it laid out in front of you on your bed. It's a small enough amount that you could get it right now for a couple or few weeks wages at any full-time job.

Now consider that a man can live healthily on just potatoes. Add sweet potatoes and lentils and you can eat healthily all year round for a very minimal amount of money / resources. It _could_ all be grown in your backyard too, but for the sake of societal efficiency it wont.

Finally consider the heat and electric required to have you as a single person in a 200sqft room with a low-wattage laptop and a bare minimum hvac for heating / cooling. That setup could be run on the most modest of solar systems, including a low-wattage chest fridge.

All that to say, the base-level for resources required to keep an adult man alive and content in a first-world environment are strikingly low. This is the base-level. Anything ahead of this will of course require more resources but we shouldn't pretend it takes a monumental effort to keep a man alive and thriving when today's level of automation and tech availability are considered.
SmoothPorcupine No.106386802
>>106386767
One free post worth 500 times the maximum estimated trade value of any government on Earth
Anonymous No.106386820
>>106382535
>Elon and co arent even real nazis, theyre soulless numbers-sucking agents, humanity haters
so uh, nazis then? nazis hate the people they live next to so much they don't even trust them to make their own decisions.
Anonymous No.106386878
>>106386767
No mention of water. Am I not allowed to bathe or use the toilet in this brave new world?
Anonymous No.106386882
>>106382208 (OP)
Yeah, nah. Rich will get richer, the middle class will be completely wiped out and the poor's will have slums and more crime.
Anonymous No.106386928
Whatever mechanisms used to distribute this abundance are under the control of dystopic corporations (or equivalent state) and will trend toward monopoly control of all those groups that don't adamantly reject participation in the utopia. Hopefully they will simply ignore you when you criticize them.

But you live in a utopia, why do you need to speak against it? Why would the corporation/state tasked with distributing abundance care at all that they're feeding/housing people who denounce them? It costs them effectively nothing. Why should you expect to be given things by the system you argue against? It's hypocritical.
Anonymous No.106386929
>>106382251
Paying? You sounds like a suicidal nazi, into the nerv gas pod you go.
Anonymous No.106387095
>>106382251
Der White Man.
Anonymous No.106388783
>>106385464
If I do for you, you had better pay me something in return. Maybe we can have a unit of sort that helps facilitate this process without the need of specific trade items. What a thought!
Or is your perfect world one where nobody interracts because they don't "need" anything from them?
Anonymous No.106388816
>>106382208 (OP)
Human greed can never be sated.
It doesn't matter whether number goes up or down.
The economic system is irrelevant.
Anonymous No.106388880
UBI implies that you will get X income for basic necessities, but we see with government funded programs that there is no reasonable way of controlling what people spend their money on. We also see that anything subsidized by government funding inevitably goes up in price (Especially if it is a luxury). How do you say what the cost of something is when everyone gets X income? That would imply that the X income will always remain the same worth as X income which is farcical at best when witnessing the current state of fiat currency and the current buying power of the average consumer.
Nah, anyone who still thinks we are still going to live a capitalistic culture with free trade when production is entirely machine based and the lack of human employment is subsidized by a never changing income is dreaming.
Anonymous No.106389039
>>106382293
I can't imagine being such a fucking bitch you kill yourself over facebook.
Fucking pathetic.
Anonymous No.106389058
>universal high income
bullshit
Anonymous No.106389094
>>106382391
filament doesn't grow on-
Anonymous No.106389116
Unemployed people can and will be part of the space program - rockets need biofuel.
Anonymous No.106389151
>>106382236
How can you live with yourself in this state? You're repulsive.
Anonymous No.106389202 >>106389280
>>106382332
Don't forget
>"This new generation is lazy, they're not hard workers like us."
And they say that about every generation.
SmoothPorcupine No.106389280
>>106389202
They should. You want me to have inextricable monopoly over each robot army? Not sharing any of the ultra-low-cost labor with anyone?