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Anonymous No.106382411 >>106382689 >>106382824 >>106383256 >>106383694 >>106383856 >>106387855
Is this inevitable no matter what? When will we finally escape our current software bloat hell?
Anonymous No.106382689 >>106382878
>>106382411 (OP)
software is shit because oldfags dont give a shit anymore, upper managment types looking for a quick buck, and in the past 10-15 years there is an influx of normies and foids who dont know, care, or can do shit and are in the industry only beacuse it got popular and its wellpaid, on top of that now there is all this ai crap and jeets
Anonymous No.106382742
https://cr.yp.to/bib/1995/wirth.pdf
Anonymous No.106382750
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAbPi0malGg
Anonymous No.106382824
>>106382411 (OP)
usage always increases to capacity, give em an inch and they take a mile, etc. techbros are just too new an "industry" and havent learned the hard lessons yet that they are responsible for portion control
Anonymous No.106382878 >>106383879
>>106382689
>there is all this ai crap
AI will save us, anyone with a brain can code like a team of 5.
Anonymous No.106383082 >>106383170 >>106384920 >>106390984
I unironically think we are finally seeing the payoff of better developer experiance and better hardware at the same time. Making apps is easy now, even ignoring AI, and I can have more than two dozen tabs in my browser open plus a video game, some images, file manager and a bunch of other random windows. There are no more levels of indirection to add to software development so apps will only get faster from now on imo.
Anonymous No.106383170 >>106383658 >>106384082
>>106383082
counterpoint: "web3" cryptoslop will come back and then everything you use will be an etherium miner by design
Anonymous No.106383256 >>106383627 >>106387897 >>106388602
>>106382411 (OP)
People demand more and more features and this leads to complexity and bloat. The majority of modern software development is dealing with complexity. Just look at modern web browsers if you need an example, it is its own platform and may as well be an entire operating system.
People were making jokes about running an entire OS in your browser in the early 2000s and 2010s and we pretty much got there.

If people settled for less features we would have more simple solutions, but that's just not going to happen.
Anonymous No.106383627 >>106383753 >>106383767 >>106388602
>>106383256
>People demand more and more features
who

who is doing this

who is asking for this unending torrent of useless garbage

give me their names so i can flay them alive
Anonymous No.106383658
>>106383170
>etherium
>miner
>2025
>technology board
Anonymous No.106383694 >>106384135
>>106382411 (OP)
if it loads too fast it feels cheap
like the computer isn't working hard enough
Anonymous No.106383753
>>106383627
People who want to play videos in their browser for example. You could just download and play it with a dedicated program. Same with the pdf viewer inside the browser.

Also managers love new useless features.
Anonymous No.106383767
>>106383627
Also people who want the browser to be an app. It was initially designed to display documents with links and that was all. With the feature creep the browser now can do basically everything.
Anonymous No.106383856 >>106383885
>>106382411 (OP)
anyone old enough to remember the phrase
>what andy giveth, bill taketh away
will know this isnt some modern phenomenon
perhaps the slogan should be updated
>what lisa giveth, sundar taketh away
Anonymous No.106383879 >>106383904
>>106382878
But people with no brain now think they can code as well, i have yet to see fully proper ai generated code, in truth i only tried popular LLMs, some old CEO guy did told me about some professional paid shit they use its supposed to be good and its working for them but idk, for me current ai is useful only because search engines got giga retarded over the years so now its faster to look up shit on there
Anonymous No.106383885 >>106384051
>>106383856
Back then things where actually changing though
Anonymous No.106383904
>>106383879
Yeah, the ai will show me some random source from 2009 that wouldve been buried by google search
Anonymous No.106383918
honestly we should have started building ECMAScript in hardware a decade ago
Anonymous No.106383998
tech gets better, programs get sluggier. hmm? if your current tech can run current programs better why is there a need to cons00m? its a conspiracy to make you poor constantly cons00ming.
Anonymous No.106384051 >>106384065
>>106383885
people have been complaining about bloat for decades
you just approved of the bloat back then (or forgot about your past annoyances) because it feels feature complete enough to you now
its easy to take for granted when you fire up excel 2000 in a vm on modern hardware faster than excel o365 and think "where did everything go wrong" but if you ran it on contemporary hardware you would be sitting at a splash screen for at least 10 seconds while it loaded, your hard drive slowly ticking away (and for all your patience you dont even get pivot tables)
Anonymous No.106384065 >>106384769
>>106384051
>(and for all your patience you dont even get pivot tables)
name even one person who even knows what a pivot table is
Anonymous No.106384082 >>106384106
>>106383170
Crypto in random apps hasn't been a thing for a while. If anything it would be AI but AI is just a post request from the app's side
Anonymous No.106384106
>>106384082
>Crypto in random apps hasn't been a thing for a while.
it could come back. remain vigilant. AI was a thing a few times before this media cycle too, as was crypto before the NFT craze. fashion is cyclical
Anonymous No.106384135 >>106384767
>>106383694
This. I always add a 5 second delay to my app launch and 2 seconds between routes
Anonymous No.106384767
>>106384135
Idiot
Anonymous No.106384769
>>106384065
i wish i didnt have to know about them
Anonymous No.106384913 >>106384958 >>106384977 >>106385172 >>106387274
Anonymous No.106384920 >>106387263
>>106383082
>There are no more levels of indirection to add to software development so apps will only get faster from now on imo.
we added an entire browser to your application to display some buttons and text, we will add the remaining operating system, just you wait
Anonymous No.106384958 >>106385027 >>106389156
>>106384913
this makes no sense and conveys no information
Anonymous No.106384977 >>106385014 >>106385017 >>106389156
>>106384913
>reddit dog
leave
Anonymous No.106385014
>>106384977
Dogs are inherently reddit
Anonymous No.106385017
>>106384977
Thats elon musk doge you retarded TRANNY JEW
Anonymous No.106385027
>>106384958
false
Anonymous No.106385172 >>106389156
>>106384913
get out
Anonymous No.106387263
>>106384920
>we will add the remaining operating system, just you wait
Ik your joking but wasm solves this. The browser is already an OS. If you add file access ie. Electron then there is simply nothing left to add. Meanwhile more functionality has moved from jquery and bootstrap to standard js and css. Things actually look good for software these days, people just want to complain.
Anonymous No.106387274
>>106384913
Stay
Anonymous No.106387855
>>106382411 (OP)
The humble rock is both the origin and apex of technology. You literally don't need more.
Anonymous No.106387897
>>106383256
what features?
Anonymous No.106388602 >>106389143
>>106383256
>>106383627
New features in faang products do not come from user demand. User demand is the domain of startups and medium businesses undergoing rapid growth, not faangs

>who is doing this
new features are created endlessly because in faang companies promos are awarded based on the features, projects, and "impact" you did over the past review cycle, and middle managers are likewise promoted based on how much "impact" their team had. Doesn't matter if the projects are ever deployed or if they have users or if they "impact" the business in any way (they wont). in fact most projects are never deployed. but at faang that doesnt matter, you put enough "high impact" projects in your promo packet and you will make staff eventually. faangs are just code grind mills where vast armies of software engineers are being paid to grind out tens of millions of lines of code that will never see the light of day, and middle managers are being paid to play politics and justify why they should all continue to be paid

Maybe 2% of engineers at a faang work on products core to the business that generate the revenue. But because these products generate such an obscene amount of cash, a google or a facebook can afford to have tens of thousands of engineers on its payroll writing tens of millions of lines of code for nothing. a bloated workforce also serves an important function as a financial adrenaline shot for the markets, because you can layoff 10000 workers in one fell swoop to show more profits on the quarterly statement
Anonymous No.106389143
>>106388602
Quality post.
Anonymous No.106389156
>>106384958
>>106384977
>>106385172
>I can't enjoy this nice image because of where it came from or who is known to enjoy something in it
Anonymous No.106390984
>>106383082
>There are no more levels of indirection to add to software development
kek.