Thread 106382944

do not redeem the pre-skylake processors

>>106382944 (OP)
And this is just the beginning.

>>106382944 (OP)
avx2 was introduced in haswell thoughbeit
the fuck is this huy viet talking about pre-skylake

>>106383047
Needs to have an up-to-date NSA backdoor for the goyim

Haswell has avx2 support also though, which came out in Q2 2013.

>>106382944 (OP)
retrosisters... not like this...

>>106382944 (OP)
this might actually make me switch to firefox

>>106384751
this is how open source projects die
they're forced to keep up with boomer technology
then it becomes a useless boomer circlejerk

>>106382944 (OP)
Who needs buying the new hardware for AVX2 when you have Firefox and Labybird

> the browser will require a 6th Gen Intel Core (Skylake) processor

Any processor with AVX2 support should be probably fine.

>>106383326
it's to run websites through the browser. the browser itself is not very interesting

> If you are using an older CPU that does not meet the new requirements, we strongly recommend upgrading your hardwar-

Will it get affected on other Chromium-based browsers?

>>106384814
>Normal freetard project
>Upstream changes makefile to march="skylake"
>Change one line to revert to march="core2"
>All good

>Sloptopia Rainbow DEI World Browser project
>NIH special snowflake build system
>Have to go to hell to personally duel Satan to revert march value

>>106384844
There are other browsers that will display websites without requiring you buy new hardware. And there are zero websites that require this hardware upgrade to function.

>>106382944 (OP)
They should have just said that AVX2 will be a requirement. Date of release in this regard is a mess due to Intel product fragmentation. Not only Haswell had it before Skylake, but Atoms, Pentiums and Celerons up to 2021, way after Skylake, did NOT have it.

>>106384869
Not if they added intrinsics to the code and are removing the ifdefs or are using libraries like SLEEF with calls for explicit versions.

>>106384891
>we have websites at home sweaty

I stopped researching it halfway through because the available info is a bit of a mess, but it looks like not ALL haswell chips supported AVX2. e.g. Pentium and Celeron chips didn't. There were also some CPUs with 4xxx model numbers that are actually Ivy Bridge and therefore didn't have AVX2.
I'm guessing they're stating the requirement as "6th gen (Skylake)" because it's the easiest way to be sure of a CPU with AVX2.

> This question is locked and replying has been disabled.
Where is the criticism?

>>106382944 (OP)
AVX2 doesn't even do anything for general purpose computing speed. There's barely any performance difference and a lot of CPUs don't even support AVX2.

x86-64-v3 is never happening

What the actual fuck? I've been using my 4790k for 10 years (11 in January), and everything just works on it perfectly. I've never heard of anything like this happening for a fucking browser.

>>106384868
Obviously? Chrome is Google's own Chromium distribution. They won't maintain a separate version for no profit.

>>106382944 (OP)
>Mar 12, 2025
is this bullshit? what the fuck is wrong with google?

I also found this:
>Sunsetting Chrome support for Android 8.0 (Oreo) and Android 9.0 (Pie)
https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/352616098

is Google preparing to sell Chrome? or do they hate poor people or something?

>>106384869
>Sloptopia Rainbow DEI World Browser project
>NIH special snowflake build system
>Have to go to hell to personally duel Satan to revert march value
I never knew Win32ss was so based.

are you still crying about intel? talk about rent free lol. can you give me a date that you will stop crying about them?

>>106385194
>AVX2 is intel specific
Here's your (You). Now fuck off.

Don't a lot of school Chromebooks have CPUs that lack AVX2 support? When I graduated from high school 2 years ago, my school computer had an N4020 Celeron which is from 2019. It doesn't have AVX2.

>>106385208
>insta reply
damn....more rent free living

>>106385211
I wouldn't be surprised, but why should Google care? A relative of mine had an older Chromebook that suddenly stopped working on some website they needed to use, because that site was doing some faggotry that required a more recent version of Chrome. But since Google no longer supports this Chromebook it no longer gets browser updates. Google's suggestion: buy a new Chromebook. Of course there are workarounds, both to update the browser while still on ChromeOS and to just install a real operating system. But guess what choice my relative picked.

>>106385269
I agree with you in that it's retarded, but the unfortunate thing is how *individual* users will ultimately fall to the pressure most of the time. What I'm curious about is how school districts, especially those in poorer areas, are going to handle this. Chromebooks are literally useless without a browser as you've said. I can't imagine a district being happy about having to replace thousands of student laptops just because of this.

>>106382944 (OP)
Some dates to put things in perspective.

Q3'20:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/201899/intel-celeron-processor-g5905-4m-cache-3-50-ghz/specifications.html

Q1'21:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/201901/intel-pentium-gold-g6405-processor-4m-cache-4-10-ghz/specifications.html

Q2'22:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/134798/intel-atom-processor-c5325-9m-cache-2-4ghz/specifications.html

Take note of the "Instruction Set Extensions".

>>106385299
It's not like you need to update the browser if everything still works on your out of date version. I imagine most schools will just try to ride it out as long as possible and then upgrade. They have to upgrade eventually anyway. Chromebooks are designed to become obsolete, and they end up obsolete rather quickly.

>noooo your perfectly fine recent-but-not-new hardware CANNOT be compatible with our program!
>THIS ONE OBSCURE SIMD EXTENSION NEEEEEEEDS TO EXIST FOR A BROWSER TO WORK!!!
>OBSOLETE OBSOLETE OBSOLETE DEPRECATED DEPRECATED DEPRECATED!!!!!
welcome gentlemen to the Great Updootening.

First w11, now this. FAGMAN has collectively decided to force everyone to throw out their hardware despite moore's law eating shit in like 2015. Why would (((anyone))) have any (((financial incentive))) to force everyone off perfectly good, performant CPUs? I totally don't get it at all. Thanks Intel.

>>106385375
>Chromebooks are designed to become obsolete, and they end up obsolete rather quickly.
Chromebooks have better support than Windows and Mac computers.
Windows 11 requires 8th gen Intel or newer which is at most 6-7 years ago
Apple supports their macs for 5 to 7 years.
Chromebooks are supported for 10 years.

>b-but muh linux
You can install Linux on chromebooks.

>>106385170
>is Google preparing to sell Chrome? or do they hate poor people or something?

the whole point of the WEF's 2030 agenda is to create a permanent underclass of poorfags and restrict our current standard of living to good goys who are selectively allowed to join a faux middle class composed primarily of managers and tard wranglers. Regular people will not be allowed to own nice things, travel, or live long lives. They want to be neo-aristocrats in a neo-feudalistic system that has no 'kings' to ever hold them accountable for their actions.

>>106385459
Yet ChromeOS is the only one that ties you to a specific browser that is entirely dependent on updates from Google, who base these updates on their hardware support.
>You can install Linux on chromebooks.
Nobody's doing this, especially not schools.

>>106385170
>>Sunsetting Chrome support for Android 8.0 (Oreo) and Android 9.0 (Pie)
They did that this month I think. I was just seething about it in another thread after I realized I couldn't update brave.
It is super convenient for them to artificially deprecate millions of phones.

>>106385584
the same faggots that tell you to pay a carbon tax to fight climate change want you to ewaste all your devices every other year.

>>106385520
>permanent underclass of poorfags
but at a point you'd have a shitton of hangry jobless murder-hobos roaming around looking for suits to skin a la luigi.
not very well thought-out for a world domination scheme.

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck jewgle

>>106385663
and the only people they can reach are the middle class managers/tard wranglers stuck in the 'walkable' smart cities. Your e-bike or tesla cant drive to their richfag enclaves, and you cant get on a plane or boat to reach their islands. And if you try, all your smart devices will be shut off remotely anyways.

its an extremely well thought out plan, you are just too much of a midwit to understand the broader implication of all these control systems and their long term effects on society.

we have decades of psychological research on human behavior. People don't go on long journies to kill billionares, they assault their neighbors and burn down their own communities when things get really bad. Every extra race you add to a city is a new target for people to go after instead of a ceo. The only time the goverment got pissed during blm and covid riots was when? When people hitgovernment buildings. The news and politicans happily cheered when Trayvon attacked Juan, Timmy, Akmed or ChingChong. Societal release valves are already baked into the system.

Getting luigi'd is a big deal but... how many people have been luigi'd? One? Two? The upper class is millions of people at this point, that's basically nobody.

>>106382944 (OP)
LMAO. I will probably still be using my 3rd gen i7 in 2050.

>>106382944 (OP)
Oh my i5-4570 has AVX2.
Nice

>>106385093
i had to switch to an SSE2 build of palemoon a few months ago on my old core2 laptop because the default build went AVX as well.

>>106385705
As of yet, ultrawealthy oligarchs are still within reach of public ridicule, spit and bullets. They like to hold rallies and shit for their companies. There are not many "enclaves", yet. They have their mansions and shit but not many (civilian) big-wigs are as reclusive as you think they are. You see paparazzi shots of them all the time, they drive on the same streets as everyone else. For now. It would be a long and OBVIOUS transition to them being a physically segregated elite-society.
>we have decades of psychological research on human behavior. People don't go on long journies to kill billionares, they assault their neighbors and burn down their own communities when things get really bad.
>Societal release valves are already baked into the system.
Great points in here, but I don't think it means game over for free society. There will always be some autistic fuck dedicated enough to make shit happen.
>Every extra race you add to a city is a new target for people to go after instead of a ceo. The only time the goverment got pissed during blm and covid riots was when? When people hit government buildings.
The divide-and-conquer hate-thy-neighbor messaging is failing in real-time, people are seeing through it. They overextended themselves to make 2020 happen, broke the illusion for a lot of people. At a point the financial burden on the average joe will be too big to blame on "whitey" or "niggers" or "kikes" or whatever, and then they'll turn to the obvious culprits. Joe average isn't smart or perceptive, but any animal can kick back at something that is obviously hurting them.

>>106385399
If you ignore the modern web you don't have to update.

This might be a year of the Ladybird web browser.

>>106385705
Lol I hope they try that because eventually some Anon will hack their system or a Pajeet will crash everything again and they'll be literally screwed

>>106382944 (OP)
this also means all electron garbage is going to require avx2 and skylake

>>106388207
electron doesn't use chrome binaries
and this change is just a different compile flag, so it doesn't affect self-compiled chromium builds

>>106388207
Electron doesn't use Google Chrome, but Chromium.

>>106388229
>>106388232
it's just a matter of time (a few years at most) until avx2 is going to be mandated everywhere. windows 10 eol opened the gate for this. adobe's software already hard requires it.

Is it over?

>>106388513
it's hard to believe chrome is considered old these days

>>106382944 (OP)
What's with everything becoming a black box with artificial software limitations after hardware progress has slowed down? Microsoft segmenting DX versions artificially with Windows releases was just as dumb.

>>106382944 (OP)
>i5-2500k
>Librewolf
>reproducible binaries (so no proprietary Brave tier LGBT spyware)
>just works forever
No supporting LGBT by using proprietary Google Brave Chromium malware.

>>106388717
Hardware has actually accelerated alot.
It's just a time where the acceleration of hardware is somewhat faster then the requirements of software.
Retards need to quit pretending their $20 ewaste haswell can somehow compare to modern CPUs just because it isn't painfully slow yet to browse 4chins

Even as someone who has ancient hardware in use. They are fucking pigs for what they deliver.

>>106388907
we've just reached a point where almost any everyday task can be done as fast as most people can perform them on a decent 10 year old cpu. ideally people /should/ be able to just keep using hardware good enough for what they need it for. if someone just wants to keep making office documents, listen to music, and browse the web, why do they need to upgrade every few years?

>>106388893
>Librewolf

Nice.

>>106388981
I personally don't see nothing wrong with using old hardware but ironically the people that you'd consider to have normal PC tasks have already moved on to newer hardware for reasons outside of straight horsepower.
Laptops are all but guaranteed not be usable as laptops in 3 years. If anything dies in a desktop that's often an excuse to upgrade even if perfectly fixable.

People slumming it out by dealing with issues, fixing or outright assembling systems with old hardware is alot more than 95% of what the population is willing to do.
The select few systems that a "normie" still might use that are pre-skylake are just the one's that survived.

>>106386922
Yeah, well, too bad you need the modern web to pay electricity bills.
I know, crazy, right, just to manage some payments, I need to install apps on my phone, or, if they even have web browser alternatives, I'm even going to need AVX2 now! Great!

Why the fuck do you need AVX2 of all things for a BROWSER?

>>106389372
To filter all the FX-9590 schizo who wants to escape the botnet

>>106389386
Nobody trying to escape the botnet is using Chrome to begin with.

>>106389372
Assuming you are not being dense on purpose: it's to load and parse websites faster.
I assume they already have fallbacks in case the client doesn't support AVX, but now want to drop support for the many fallbacks.

>>106389393
Mozilla is funded by Google, the risk is that this Chrome change gives Google enough leverage to break the internet with forced AVX2 requirements.

>>106382944 (OP)
I do not see any issue with making AVX2 builds, they should even make AVX512 builds if it would have helped their use case. The problem is making AVX2 builds ONLY. Why there must be only one? They even have an installer shell, it is trivial to detect the hardware flags and download the appropriate version transparently.

>>106389637
It's more work for Raji to manage all these builds. Windows 10 will be EOL in 2 months and will chop in decline for 1-3 extra years with ESU. There's now no CPU that is "officially supported" by Windows 11 and doesn't have AVX2 on it.

>>106389704
I can't believe Windows 10 is EOL already. It feels like just yesterday that /g/ was spamming threads about 7 being EOL and how you vill upgrade. And I never heard a single thing about 8. Like it never even existed.

>>106388629
hello newfag

>>106385399
>recent
imagine trying to use a 1990 PC in early 2000s

>>106389704
pentium and celeron hadn't had avx2 up until 2021

>>106389873
the difference between 1995 and 2000 is greater than the difference between 2008 and 2025. moore's law slowed waaaaay the fuck down around Sandy Bridge

>You have to have the latest phone model, because you have to have the latest OS version with the latest OS updates, because the app market must be its latest update to operate, and that requires the minimum SDK versions
>Now you can update to the latest app update and use your app

>>106389704
100+ bought in past month:
https://www.amazon.com/bvate-Dual-Core-Processor-1920x1080-Business-Gray/dp/B0DK982H4P

https://www.intel.com.br/content/www/br/pt/products/sku/197310/intel-celeron-processor-n4020-4m-cache-up-to-2-80-ghz/specifications.html

>>106389704
100+ bought in past month:
https://www.amazon.com/bvate-Dual-Core-Processor-1920x1080-Business-Gray/dp/B0DK982H4P

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/197310/intel-celeron-processor-n4020-4m-cache-up-to-2-80-ghz/specifications.html

>>106382944 (OP)
Is this Chrome only or Chromium/Electron will be impacted as well?

>>106382944 (OP)
isn't this the same version that will drop manifest v2 completely?

>>106383167
notice how they aren't referencing any deprecations for ARM?

it's an x86 ISA governance problem

>>106391663
I would actually make a bet these CPUs would run code with AVX2 instructions despite the CPUID not explicitly advertising it.
Would likely be too slow to see any acceleration compared to less power-restrained chips with explicit AVX2 support.

>>106392944
No ARM shit has OS support after 3 years anyway.

>>106391995
for now, only gchrome.

>>106382944 (OP)
you can get computers with these chips for less than $200, not sure why everybody is bitching about trying to continue to use power-hungry shit from 10-15 years ago

>>106393037
There is no reason for this update, it's sus

>>106388981
All that was working fine, but by adding more and more js libraries and other foolishness to web interfaces, things that worked perfectly now crumble for lack of resources. YouTube, Word or Google Docs, Amazon, all the normie sites are become less performant.