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Anonymous No.106385286 >>106385309 >>106385357 >>106385647 >>106385722 >>106385737 >>106385836 >>106385846 >>106386259 >>106386469 >>106386481 >>106387840 >>106388574 >>106388647 >>106392299 >>106392416 >>106395702 >>106396639 >>106396653 >>106397662 >>106398020 >>106398094 >>106399121 >>106399203 >>106399596 >>106399633 >>106400606
Any HDD enjoyers here?
Anonymous No.106385309
>>106385286 (OP)
is your dick that thin!?
Anonymous No.106385357 >>106392010
>>106385286 (OP)
i like when it goes klik klik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oym7B7YidKs
Anonymous No.106385379 >>106385897 >>106386702 >>106386805 >>106388595 >>106392155 >>106392316 >>106392416
Dear HDD enjoyers, what's a good reliable HDD to get these days? I need some more storage.
Thank you.
Anonymous No.106385647
>>106385286 (OP)
just for storage
Anonymous No.106385720 >>106385729 >>106386995 >>106397683
I enjoy them but i don't enjoy the current prices at all
I really hope its a cycle and that things aren't like this forever not paying almost 200 for 12 GB it needs to go back to 90 or less
Anonymous No.106385722 >>106393049
>>106385286 (OP)
Still poorfagging a 256GB SSD + 1-2 TB HDD in all my machines.
Anonymous No.106385729
>>106385720
>GB obviously
TB
Anonymous No.106385737 >>106385756
>>106385286 (OP)
is there a significant difference between the hd in a labtop and a pc? i want to salvage an old hd from a broken gamerlaptop and use it for extra storage in a different existing pc. Is that a reasonable thing to do?
Anonymous No.106385738 >>106385764
Optical storage is superior.
Anonymous No.106385756
>>106385737
They are far worse besides being somewhat quieter (not all of them)
>some have plates made of glass, they'll fail after dropping them once
>1/3 rd the speed
>wasting a SATA port with a low capacity disk
Anonymous No.106385764
>>106385738
DJ Bad CRC begs to differ
Anonymous No.106385836
>>106385286 (OP)
i have 20 of them running right now
not a fan though nor do i enjoy them
Anonymous No.106385846
>>106385286 (OP)
yup! I just Tyrone'd 3 24TB WD HDDs going right into my home server jellyfin setup
Anonymous No.106385897 >>106386143 >>106391441
>>106385379
The WD gold 'enterprise' or red 'NAS' drives are probably the most reliable, I would avoid the blue consumer ones along with the black gamer ones. The worst are probably the green eco drives which occasionally just turn themselves off to save energy and take a few seconds to spin back up again.
Anonymous No.106386093
I'm currently 4 flash disks losses to 1 mechanical
HDDไธ‡ๆญณ
Anonymous No.106386143 >>106386537
>>106385897
Didn't WD start putting SMR into their Red line again? There was a post here a few months ago about it, how newer Red Plus drives were performing worse than older ones.
Anonymous No.106386191
Anonymous No.106386259
>>106385286 (OP)
Its not my primary drive, I have an SSD now, but I use my old one for storing stuff and torrents.
Anonymous No.106386459
I tried putting 6 of my old spare 1-2TB hard drives in an old rig and they all immediately stopped working entirely :(
Anonymous No.106386463
Yes.

I prefer them.

Still got a wd black in its third rig used intensely since the 2000s. With speeds only 20% slower than newer hdd drives.

Many towers could hold 4-8 of them. Far more potential than with just a solid state. I hate that most modern enthusiast towers don't have racks for them so you can make your computer into an led shrine.
Anonymous No.106386469
>>106385286 (OP)
I enjoy mine in my FreeBSD machine that holds old backups of my computer and is usually off
They donโ€™t make noise if theyโ€™re not spinning
Anonymous No.106386481
>>106385286 (OP)
Yes. I've got 4TB and 8TB HGST Ultrastar drives and two shucked white label 10TB WDs
Anonymous No.106386537
>>106386143
I'm not sure, the one I have I got 5 or 7 years ago but I wouldn't be surprised.
Anonymous No.106386702 >>106387367 >>106388561 >>106396554 >>106402591
>>106385379
Toshiba N300 NAS. Accept no alternatives if you care about your data. In my job I get to see and replace occasional drive failures on lots of different systems with lots of different HDD manufacturers. Toshiba N300 NAS is S tier. Currently Seagate is A tier and WD is B tier, based on failures I've seen on newer drives manufactured in the last 2-5 years. Pre 2020 I would have said WD is A tier and Seagate is C tier, but Seagate got their shit together and WD has clearly cut some corners in quality control in recent years.
Anonymous No.106386805 >>106393160
>>106385379
WD Ultrastar
Anonymous No.106386995
>>106385720
I never paid extra just to get an expensive SSD
Anonymous No.106387367 >>106387778
>>106386702
Do you know how the Toshiba MG09 Enterprise is compared to the N300 NAS?
From what i hear they run quieter and cooler, but i haven't been able to find much about them otherwise.
Anonymous No.106387778
>>106387367
MG series "enterprise" drives (MG09, MG10, etc) are primarily sold to datacenter and server hardware vendors. MG drives have multiple variants each with slight differences. A business will call up their hardware vendor and say "hey uh we are getting a SOC 2 audit done and our sperglord auditors told us they won't give us the stamp of approval unless all our server hard drives have OPAL and at least 2 DWPD". MG series drives exist to satisfy whatever random set of requirements a client needs. MG also has SAS support (which is like an improved version of SATA that is better in server hardware). In consumer PCs or home servers MG is going to be pretty much the equal with N300 in terms of reliability. I had to pick one over the other then N300 is probably better in PCs / home servers since I suspect MG drives could have compatibility issues caused by the drive firmware being designed for server hardware.
Anonymous No.106387791
I'm disappointed how much hard drive capacity increases and price decreases have stalled in the last ten years. At one point I thought we would have had 100tb hard drives for $200 by now.
Anonymous No.106387840
>>106385286 (OP)
y-yes. Home server is still hdd based. 2.5 1tb system drive for proxmox and 3.5 8tb hdd dedicated for xpenology vm.
Anonymous No.106388561
>>106386702
I got a Toshiba S300 instead. Am I fucked?
Anonymous No.106388574 >>106389876 >>106392290
>>106385286 (OP)
Flash is better in every way but price. I like my 15tb drives but if I could have had an ssd for the same price I would have picked it every day of the week.
Anonymous No.106388595
>>106385379
i just get whatever has the best tb:$ ratio
Anonymous No.106388647
>>106385286 (OP)
They are still great, just not as a boot drive.
Anonymous No.106388821
6tb wd blue cmr or 8tb barracuda smr?
Anonymous No.106389368
For my cold back-ups yeah.
Anonymous No.106389876 >>106389892
>>106388574
>Flash is better in every way but price.
until it fails.
at least hdd's tend to fail gradually so you can get your data without much issue. ssd's fail, it's over.

never, ever, have data you deem valuable only on ssd's.
Anonymous No.106389892
>>106389876
>at least hdd's tend to fail gradually
There's no guarantee this will go like this.
If you care for semi immortal storage, buy M-Disc DVD or Blu-ray.
HDD and SSD will fail someday. They may work without any issues for 15 years, and they may fail within 15 months after being manufactured. You can never tell.
Anonymous No.106391441
>>106385897
I experimented with sll these myself and came to the very same conclusion as u did anon.
Anonymous No.106392010
>>106385357
holy kek lmao when the hdds kick in
Anonymous No.106392155
>>106385379
The only hard drives that have ever died on me are externals that I have dropped on the floor. I only stop using and throw away old hard drives when their digital storage does not justify the physical space they occupy. I am an amateur data hoarder and I have a few supposedly "crappy" Seagate hard drives where I put low importance data that have served me well over the years.
Anonymous No.106392170 >>106392200 >>106392272
Are SSDs finally cheaper than HDDs?
Anonymous No.106392200
>>106392170
SSDs are still 4X more expensive per TB.
Anonymous No.106392272 >>106392311 >>106392422 >>106393464
>>106392170
one more year bro
Anonymous No.106392290 >>106400307
>>106388574
you can't use that for cold storage
you can use hdd's for it
Anonymous No.106392299
>>106385286 (OP)
why would i "enjoy" a hdd. why do you ppl talk about this crap
Anonymous No.106392311
>>106392272
Probably more. If the break points is reached there will be huge demand spike for SSDs. That will drive up the prices again
Anonymous No.106392316 >>106392402
>>106385379
Whatever is bigger and whatever is cheapest.
Anonymous No.106392402
>>106392316
this is the only way to do things, outside of the obvious criteria of it being cmr
Anonymous No.106392416
>>106385286 (OP)
SSD for OS, games, big software etc. HDD for documents, image and video files and small software. Also good for backups obviously.
>>106385379
My seagate drives have always been reliable and well performing. I do reckon that it mostly just comes down to luck. If you are buying any of the major brands you are going to be fine unless you get bad luck. If you buy some linglongdingdong brand from alibaba that's almost certainly going to fail.
Anonymous No.106392422
>>106392272
Imagine the reliability...
Anonymous No.106393049 >>106393071 >>106393134
>>106385722
>256GB SSD + 1-2 TB HDD
You don't need more than 128GB SDD.
Anonymous No.106393071 >>106393136
>>106393049
bg3 is bigger than that
Anonymous No.106393134 >>106393166
>>106393049
Assassins Creed Valhalla is 150GB
Anonymous No.106393136
>>106393071
It's a single player game. You don't need a SDD to play it.
Anonymous No.106393160
>>106386805
Ultrastars have that annoying constant click and they are far more expensive per TB.

get Toshiba MG drives. They are the cheapest and very reliable. Only downside is they make them enterprise tier loud as well, but you can't avoid that for drives with 10 platters at 7200rpm.
MAMR/HAMR 4tb platters can't come soon enough.
Anonymous No.106393166 >>106393194
>>106393134
>single player
Anon...
Anonymous No.106393194 >>106393217 >>106396598
>>106393166
windows 11 on a HDD running games?
show me what it looks like
Anonymous No.106393217
>>106393194
Anonymous No.106393464
>>106392272
Keep in mind we'll be having 40tb drives sold commercially by this time next year (they are already shipped to enterprises), SSDs would need at least three price halving to match HDDs and who knows how large HDDs will be after that.
Anonymous No.106395702
>>106385286 (OP)
It's the best local backup solution.
Anonymous No.106396429
How do you absolutely prevent any risk of ever dropping a HDD?
Anonymous No.106396472
My SSD is dead after 5 years
My HDD is still alive after 9 years
Anonymous No.106396522
My CD-R still alive after 30 years
Anonymous No.106396554 >>106398051
>>106386702
>Toshiba
Anonymous No.106396584
16tb wd red pro is my personal netflix.
Anonymous No.106396598 >>106397683 >>106402720
>>106393194

Works great if the game includes the code for it.
The only game that has ever given me an issue was starfield, which was fixed with a tiny 80 kilobytes disk cache enabler mod.
All you have to do is make the game use the disk cache io and if you have enough ram anything loaded once is faster than an ssd because it is loaded from ram. Yes you get loading at start or first doing something new or playing a sound not yet played then it is almost the same as an ssd. Within 2 minutes of playing most things are ssd quality.

This shows any game needing an ssd is just due to poorly written code demanding new instant access to the data everytime rather than making use of the built in os cache.
Anonymous No.106396639
>>106385286 (OP)
Laptop HDD seem to last longer but are slower, if they are in a mostly stationery machine. All the desktop WD/Seagates I own never make it past 10 years, only the WD Black I have, but I severely limit what I put on it, mostly for low priority backups, files I don't access frequently.
Anonymous No.106396653
>>106385286 (OP)
I wouldn't call myself an enjoyer.
I just can't afford an SSD.
Anonymous No.106397662 >>106397859
>>106385286 (OP)
Yes. I have been irreversibly HDD-pilled since getting one as a Christmas gift last year. I have photos, anime, childhood videos, and important YouTube videos stored on different SD cards as contingencies but everything is on the HDD. I doubt Iโ€™ll ever use the entire 2 TB of space. Itโ€™s comfy plugging it in and dropping stuff onto it. I love physical storage so much bros. Fuck the cloud. I wish I had enough stuff to back up that would justify having a tower
Anonymous No.106397683
I use mechanicals in my server rack for bulk storage because it's way cheaper per TB, even factoring in power usage for 5+ years, but they do have higher failure rates. Most people with failing SSDs are either buying the cheapest pieces of garbage they can find, or have other problems on their systems like PSUs that have voltage sags.

For enterprise type usage in datacenters in major cities, SSDs can actually be cheaper over their lifespan than mechanicals because of the combination of lower failure rates, lower power consumption, and higher density. You don't need as much power going into legacy data racks that can't handle the heat generation, and in some place like downtown new york, physical space is millions of dollars for 10,000 square feet. It's only when space and total power budgets aren't concerns that mechanicals consistently win for "total cost of ownership" or TCO.

>>106385720
A lot of AI workloads involve multi petabyte data dumps, and that's slowing down the rate at which prices are coming down. If you need to store a quarter of an exabyte in a datacenter doing protein simulations, you're buying drives quite literally by the pallet. Volume purchasers get priority because it's less logistical bullshit for a manufacturer to deal with, and it's much more consistent revenue.

>>106396598
A lot of "AAA" slop has so many enormous textures that get dynamically streamed in and then unloaded when you look away that you aren't going to physically have enough ram to properly cache everything. Nobody is buying 128 or 192 or 256 GB of ram outside of people running legitimate workstation systems. For that money you could buy more than a few TB of nvme space.
Anonymous No.106397859 >>106398053
>>106397662
Be careful with those 2.5" usb hdds, I have had a dozen of them suddenly die out of nowhere. Keep multiple copies of your data.
Anonymous No.106398020
>>106385286 (OP)
they're awesome! i got 7 of it on my main pc
*picrel the 4 that's visible, don't mind the dust, i've been laying it horizontally as a make shift desk.
Anonymous No.106398051
>>106396554
USA-let confirmed
Anonymous No.106398053
>>106397859
>Keep multiple copies of your data.
Yup thatโ€™s the plan with the SD cards. I may get another HDD in the future that isnโ€™t as risky
Anonymous No.106398094
>>106385286 (OP)
yes, i love how they taste and smell.
Anonymous No.106399121
>>106385286 (OP)
Everyday Bro
Anonymous No.106399203
>>106385286 (OP)
I'm annoyed that there is still no successor. I've been hearing for decades about all these experimental storage technologies and not a single one has led to any usable product. Why does it still cost a small fortune to have a few hundred TB of storage no matter how you decide to go about it?
Anonymous No.106399596
>>106385286 (OP)
Yes. For most things I'll go for an SSD these days, but HDD is still the best for large storage of stuff like movies and backups where I don't need incredibly fast reads. And for large capacity, it's still far cheaper per TB than SSDs.
Anonymous No.106399633
>>106385286 (OP)
can anyone recommend me a good HDD enclosure I want to setup some offline storage.
Anonymous No.106400307 >>106400676
>>106392290
If cold storage was a relevant use case for me I'd get a used LTO reader
Anonymous No.106400606
>>106385286 (OP)
never enjoyed hdds
Anonymous No.106400676 >>106401099
>>106400307
How much does this thing cost?
Anonymous No.106401099
>>106400676
The used market is fickle but you can usually find used LTO 6 Drives between 300โ‚ฌ and 700โ‚ฌ and tapes are 30โ‚ฌ new with 2.5tb/6.25tb space
Anonymous No.106401138 >>106401151 >>106403779
I'm gonna spend $300 on two 18TB WD Reds but people on Reddit want me to spend less on a refurbished Seagate.
Anonymous No.106401151
>>106401138
$600 for two, probably more like $650
Anonymous No.106402591
>>106386702
just buyed one last month
Anonymous No.106402720
>>106396598
You donโ€™t play games, games have been unbearable on a hard drive for 15 years now
Anonymous No.106402936
I remember when goodwill sold HDDs for 5 dollars before they trashed their whole tech department. I used to love buying shitty HDDs with low storage on them for cheaper than a 32 GB flash drive to fuck around with linux on. Most of them are dead or sold in custom PCs, but it does such anything on the same quality is 20 dollars now.
Anonymous No.106403779
>>106401138
Certified refurbs in the higher capacities are mostly drives that have less than a couple hundred power on hours. They got put into new systems and then decommissioned. Some are brand new, just missing original shrink wrap. Any difference between new and certified refurbs in terms of reliability is effectively meaningless. Larger scale storage solution should factor in some degree of redundancy for data regardless. Hardware fails. It's a fact of life. If you don't have a plan for that, you'll lose data eventually.

The red/NAS lines are bullshit because they have data recovery baked into the price, but as already mentioned, hardware fails. You don't want to wait weeks for some idiot to maybe recover some of your data. You want to return the drive for a replacement and resilver/rebuild your RAID array and continue onwards.
Anonymous No.106404223
"Investing" in hardware and my own homeserver will be the only lifestyle inflation I hopefully experience (and look forward to) once I have more money
Anonymous No.106405025
Okay, I just Tyrone'd two 12TiB HDDs, but only one is showing up on my SAS HBA. it shows up in my Sabrent drive dock that connects via USB, but, not on the onboard SATA controller or the HBA? what do? And NO! I WILL NOT GIVE IT CAN L BACK