Thread 106390857

It's fucking over.

>>106390857 (OP)
That's actually fucked up

>>106390857 (OP)
>It's fucking over.
I already made this thread.
>>106389694

>>106390884
sorry, didn't see it

ANDJEETS BTFO

>>106390857 (OP)
Windows is next

>>106391546
the frog hasn't been boiled enough on the pc side of things for that to happen

>>106391546
>Windows is next
The contrary. Windows is becoming more open and they are doing away with UWP.

Apple was right...as always.

>>106390857 (OP)
What if I disable play services?

>>106391546
Not my problem.

>>106390857 (OP)
It's literally the same everywhere in the west. The only hope now is in Chinese companies like Huawei making a new phone OS.

Linux phone cannot come soon enough

>>106390857 (OP)
>stopping harmful apps
>like ad blockers, pirated games and manga/comic piracy apps

>>106391701
Android is Linux phone. What would you expect that a new incarnation of the same idea would be any different? Anything developed in the west will end the same way.

>>106391667
Wait till you need a remote attestated jewgle device to do banking, youtube, chatting, anything really.

>>106391667
Till UEFI starts doing the same thing phone bootloaders do. I cannot disable secure boot on my PC.

>>106391700
>The only hope now is in Chinese companies like Huawei making a new phone OS.
You mean HarmonyOS? It has a bigger marketshare than iOS in China, around ~20% iirc

>>106390857 (OP)
What's the point in not just getting an iphone then?
the only good part about android is that it wasn't a walled garden. that's it.
guess ill just get an ubuntu touch compatible thing or a pinephone

>it's aimed at tackling harmful apps
Bullshit coverup reason. Most normalfags who are using Andoird only use the Google Play store. This is to control people who are tech savy enough to sideload apps on their phone and forcing everyone who wants to develop Android apps to follow Google's rules regardless if they want it on Google Play store or not

>>106391722
Well it had a good 15 years. I'm happy to have another good 15 years with something else.

>>106390857 (OP)
This is for developers only but yes it's pretty bad either way. There are still ways to circumvent this, the most obvious is installing a custom ROM.

>>106391701
>>106391722
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux,” and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.

Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>106391667
Sweaty, I'm afraid your computer doesn't pass hardware attestation... Unfortunately you aren't allowed to access my safe space (any large website) due to security reasons... Hope this helps...

>>106390857 (OP)
They will block sideloading apps for unverified devs but they won't block apps that completely hijack the phone and spam ads ad-nauseam
Does Google love it when an Android phone gets riddled with adware? They must do, because they are an ad company and it has been an issue for over a decade.

>>106391742
It might get struck down by EU because it's the same logic Apple tried against Epic.

>>106391722
>Android is Linux
Linux with a different userland. Linux is just a kernel. Actual Linux like the Linux desktop and server is what is needed for phones in order to preserve digital freedom

This is just Google getting desperate over the alternative stores thing, they just want to keep some power over the OS. EU will fuck them up soon

>>106391767
>It might get struck down by EU
>EU
Get the fuck out.

>>106391772
If Linus cared about freedom, 90% of the kernel would be GPL-3 by now.

>Use Android to side load shit
>Can no longer side load shit

Where the fuck do I even go then?

>>106391772
That's going to be difficult. Android was successful because it's using Java and free licensed crowd refuses to use Java. Why Java? Because it's a boring mediocre programming language that can do all relatively fast with okay guarantees. It won't work with C, C++, Rust, or Python, which are commonly used in opensource projects. C# won't work either because of Microsoft. Only really Scala is competition and that's just Java++.

There are Qt projects for alternative Android and as expected those projects failed. Also that's just the start because this would also need a UI toolkit and security in order to be successful.

>>106391726
¿UEFI?

>>106391777
Yes I know EU sucks ass but they did force Apple to allow side loaded applications. This is just another way of blocking side loaded applications.

>>106391817
>>Use Android to side load shit
>>Can no longer side load shit
>Where the fuck do I even go then?
Sideloading isn't going anywhere, they are going to restrict what applications you can sideload that being unverified ones, this will be handled by play protect, so if you are using lineageOS or something similar you aren't effected.

>>106391836
Iirc this is being enacted due to EU regulations

>>106391836
It isn't though. They're still allowed, but now the dev needs to get a loicense from google for you to be able to run them.
Which is the same as apple already does, so EU won't do shit

>>106391817
Custom roms, Huawei shit

>>106391833
So you are going to stick with ancient devices?

>>106391790
He actually does. That's why 100% of the kernel is GPL-v2 rather than GPL-v3

>>106391853
It's malicious compliance.

>>106391857
>tfw fucking huawei ends up being the bastion of freedom because they've already built their system around sideloading

>>106391867
Yes, he cares about giving companies like Google the freedom to fuck you in the ass, just like you like it.

>>106391825
It's interesting how both major mobile OSes decided to restrict apps to nearly a singular language/runtime. (Except for native modules which can't really do UI)

>>106391856
I'm aware but this is essentially also blocking developers that don't make money out of applications.

>>106391853
You are talking about DSA and if you're a trader that would be true and it's nothing new. You always needed to give info in order to sell. However this thing does not distinguish between trader and non-trader so EU might not be so happy with this new anti-feature.

>>106391866
Yes. Again, not my problem.

>>106391723
Dumbass never heard of lxc containers

>>106391833
Stick with ancient devices is that your advice?
https://youtu.be/J_JVVUnCWnY

>>106390857 (OP)
HAHAHAHAHAHAAH

>>106391911
Fucking high school retard doesn't understand that his little LXC Android container won't pass play integrity ever so none of the apps will work.

>>106391817
PMOS, Droidian, SFOS, any mainline kernel and ofono

>>106391929
Your bank doesnt have a website?

>>106391701
I wish but I have a hard time seeing it happen.

>>106391945
Phone made for gnomes?

>>106391701
It already exists for a decade dumbfucking retards I swear you all only know of reddit

>>106391886
It's interesting but Android was not created by Google, it was created by an independent company that was later bought. The choice of Java is obvious from a technological standpoint, even today. Apple realized this and made a half assed Scala, which is Swift. Of course you are correct, now it's all restricted to the JVM in Android.

>>106391723
This is the real kicker, in a "oh, it's not mandatory, you can always use another phone :)" kind of way but then being blocked from using any services for 'security reasons'
>>106391767
The same EU that's trying to push for chat control? fuck off

>>106391971
So buy this one

>>106391961
Almost all banks already require a 2fa on a play integrity device. My bank thankfully doesnt right now but that might change fast. Here in germanistan my healthcare providers app already requires remote attestation, so do some other apps.

Laugh all you want and believe this won't bite you in the ass, i'm telling you i've held talks about remote attestation in software conferences, this will fuck us all. In a few years time you won't be able to bank, call a cab, write a chat message, watch a youtube video or do anything relevant on a device anymore that isn't signed, approved and controlled by google or apple.

>>106391993
Yes the same hypocritical EU that has GPDR privacy laws but at the same time wants to spy on messages, while they're designing an age verification system that doesn't track, and typically is against corporations forcing you to give data. I don't know what to say, EU is retarded and definitely hypocritical.

>>106391873
Chinks won
https://gitee.com/openharmony

>>106392014
>healthcare provider app
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>106392040
I addendum, I personally believe you deserve what comes next if you install an app for healthcare

>>106391961
>Hey anon please pay me right now I have my phone ready so we can easily transfer the payment.
>Ah first I will need to find a PC and card reader though.

>>106392073
How much cash you need?

>>106392028
>while they're designing an age verification system that doesn't track
It does track you, It is going to give the same code to all websites and by that code people will know what user might be behind it.

>>106391886
>restrict apps to nearly a singular language/runtime
This is the correct thing to do. There shouldn't be a clusterfuck of many languages and runtimes in userspace, that is UNIX philosophy, and UNIX philosophy is retarded.
If everything is in one lang you get big benefits. Single toolchain and systemwide dynamic linking without DLL hell. No FFI bullshit and nice high level APIs without C bullshit. Apple wins here by a long shot with systemwide Swift and moving more and more things to it.
A single language/runtime is the objectively correct direction for modern OS to head in. We were already there with Lisp machines in the 80's, but we regressed with UNIX and its retarded faggotry braindamage "philosophy". Now people are finally realizing how retarded they were by writing in C and slowly going back. It will never be as good as Lisp machines though.

>>106391919
Pussy take

>>106392093
>How much cash you need?
>cash in 2025
https://youtu.be/Fkk9DI-8el4?t=24
People are going to think you are a time traveler in my country.

>>106391546
Did everyone forget Windows 10S?
For some reason it is perfectly fine and acceptable for Apple and Google to do this but heaven forbid Microsoft does it. The whole sky will fall.

Nothing ever happens??

>>106392138
Yeah, I bet even being a straight man is abnormal in your "country"

>>106392138
*From the past some how got in the future.

>>106392146
reddit mods are retarded, what else is new?

>>106392149
>Yeah, I bet even being a straight man is abnormal in your "country"
Not yet, but America is the future, it's not looking bright. Soon we will all be little americas

>>106390857 (OP)
Abandon Corps,
Use FOSS OSs and programs on PCs and phones.

>>106391667
It ain't about not being our problem today,
It's about uniting with those being hurt to forge a better tomorrow (and share our experience to give them a way out).

>>106392101
It's not designed to give a code. What it does is you select which information you want to give without the company knowing who you are at all, no ID, no certificate, nothing. We already have this system in Portugal for public institutions. Of course that's only true if you trust the protocol, so in theory you're not tracked, in practice you could be.

>>106392163
>reddit mods are retarded, what else is new?
If a bear shits in the woods...

>>106392166
Meanwhile in reality, you're knee deep in cocks at this very moment and you love it with your healthcare app and have no desire for something like cash, sad.

>>106392194
>select which information you want to give without the company knowing
How is this not going to identify you?

Why are you upset? We get by just fine.

>>106392171
The FOSS community should make a phone OS that isn't ass. Or at least stop the insane battery drain.

>>106392254
Don't people get on x86's case for being power-hungry for mobile computing and that ARM is the salvation of energy-efficiency?

>>106391546
Microsoft has been trying for decades.

>>106392101
Zero knowledge systems are actually possible which surprised me. It's some kind of crypto signing magic rather than using codes.

>>106392215
>Meanwhile in reality, you're knee deep in cocks at this very moment and you love it with your healthcare app and have no desire for something like cash, sad.
I don't have a healthcare app, you are confusing me with another anon.
>No desire
I think it's the lab rat thing they are doing, because banks keep moving around the country so cannot find an convenient way to get cash.

>>106392244
Exactly, because of this there is less slop in the app store.

>>106392267
>kind of crypto signing
Anon. doesn't that mean it will just give your public key to them so it becomes an identifier?

>>106392231
Because it's not up to Google to authorize, it's a third party that tells Google you are a valid citizen, without giving any ID. It's literally a yes or no validation, and then the data you gave. Note that this is legally binded in Portugal. If the company somehow got information without your consent, they're in legal trouble. If police tracked you with such systems, the case is dropped because it was unlawful tracking (they need a warrant).

>>106391546
Enterprise customers would hang them by their balls if they tried to cut out Win32 binary support. Ain't happening unless Microsoft totally divides their enterprise and consumer arms into separate hemispheres of operation.

>>106391667
There's always one faggot

>>106392296
>Enterprise customers would hang them by their balls if they tried to cut out Win32 binary support. Ain't happening unless Microsoft totally divides their enterprise and consumer arms into separate hemispheres of operation.
That has happened multiple times and the consumer got the short end of the stick each time and the projects keep failing. think longhorn for example.

>>106392270
Loss of cash in a society is a tremendous loss of freedom. In the end I don't care about your world in your homeland wherever that is, or any details. YYou might have to watch America for upcoming world changes. But not the reverse, ots totally non existent to me, it might as well be written in a book.

>>106392304
>linuxfags, on my /g/?

>>106392304
Why is the windows used peeing for so long? He has dick problems?

>>106392296
>if they tried to cut out Win32 binary support.
They killed off uwp what are you now going to use on windows?

>>106392284
Look don't try and critique my half assed high level overview, go audit the actual code: https://github.com/google/longfellow-zk

>>106392364
Windows will only be able to run edge and everything will be a pwa.

>>106392364
WinUI and win32

>>106392468
WinUI is not a application format it's UI library.
In a senario they wanted to drop win32 well nothing will run and maybe this anon has a point >>106392445

>>106392484
I wish the EU only did based things, but they are not, they are americas dog.

>>106391546
Maybe not in certified apps but they may mandate age verification to login to Microsoft account. I wouldn't be one bit surprised.

>>106391546
Desktops cannot be gimped the same way phones can, since you need elevated access to actually get things done.
>>106391667
>troonix
some of us need a working operating system.

>>106392244
sure you do, ifags only download facebook and instagram anyway

>>106391546
They will try to make Store only mode the default again, maybe with a mandatory MS account login to be allowed to go back to unsafe install anything mode.

>>106392532
That's only true for Linux and BSD. Not for Windows or iOS.

>>106392488
WinUI uses windows SDK

>>106392484
think of the children, the retards, etc

>>106392515
>microsoft account
What is a microsoft account?

>>106392562
https://account.microsoft.com/account

>>106392562
The login microsoft forced windows 11 users to sign up.

>>106392557
>windows SDK
Yes the Windows App sdk, which creates "windows apps" which are just glorified Win32 applications as they sunset UWP and break up it's feature set to be adopted by Win32 application.

>>106390857 (OP)
> ramashit is raging for days
i like how this spammer thinks nobody knows who it is, like changing the image hash totally covers up the stench of your designated shitting street. lmao.

>>106392596
What happens if no internet?

>>106392605
>>106392406
This anon, I am sorry about this.

>>106391654
Read the other thread where its discussed at length. Not gonna rehash here.

>>106392488
That would just make Windows a competitor to ChromeOS, wouldn't it? Windows RT seems like it was intended to be that but there was no future in branding a product as "Windows" if it had no Win32 compatibility.

>>106391654
Uh, if it disables play protect then yes.
But don't be surprised in a future update you won't be able to do that.

>>106391742
Whats the endgame though? Its akin to controlling who you can call or text.

>>106390857 (OP)
Android is FOSS
They can't block shit for me

>>106392608
Nothing. On a fresh install of Windows 11 Home, you literally can't use the computer until you connect it to the internet.

>>106392596
That's easy to bypass (for now). You can either just escape out of the OOBE or simply not connect to anything (at least if you're actually using a full Windows OS and not rinky-dink home edition shit).

Honestly as long as domain join exists I think MS is going to have to support offline setup. The only way they'd really be able to force a strictly online setup environment is if they got all their domain users to push their domains into Azure.

>>106392596
>>106392608
There is no way you retards got filtered by """mandatory""" microsoft account. Shift+F10, regedit, then in HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\OOBE add BypassNRO dword set to 1. Then reboot or kill winlogon.exe for a time skip.
OOBE is bloatware anyway, you can skip it entirely if in that same OOBE key you set cmdline to cmd.exe, then instead of OOBE on first boot you get cmd.exe, just use net user to add your account, then run regedit again and set OOBE InProgress to 0, then reboot and boom. Entire setup process fucking skipped, didn't even need to agree to EULA, no Microsoft account, fully offline.
>What happens if no internet?
Normies always connect to internet. They removed the "no internet" offline setup so they get filtered by it. BypassNRO adds it back or you can just skip setup entirely like I said above.

>>106392623
>Windows RT
No it's not, windows RT aka windows runtime was never meant for that, it was a replacement for Win32, they didn't want you to use the Windows API, that failed winRT is still in windows today and can be used by Win32 applications now.

>>106392263
>>106391630
>what is secureboot

>>106392687
>>what is secureboot
Secure boot allows you to insert your own keys, just because you are retarded doesn't mean secureboot is "taking away your FREEDOMES"

>>106392627
Seems like you answered your own question. Google dictates what you can install -> they know what you're running on your phone and have the metrics on what you use it for.

>>106392655
what about LTSC?

>>106390857 (OP)
Well there goes one of the few compelling reasons to use Android.
Not like I was going to give up my blue bubbles anyway.

>>106392655
I can't empathize with Windows Home. If you're stuck with that...sorry, wipe your drive and install Pro or higher. Especially in this day and age where MS does nothing to impede hacktivation (since they'd be shooting themselves in the foot for the long game by trying to shut it down) there's no excuse.

>>106390857 (OP)
>disable play services
>use galaxy apps for normalfag stuff
your move jewgle

>>106392708
Just like android allows you to sideload your own apps... until google changed their minds, and soon it won't.
Secure boot will allow you to insert your own keys right up until microsoft decides that the frog is has been boiled for long enough and kills that.

>>106392677
>Shift+F10
Shift+F10 does nothing for me.

My next phone will be an iPhone. I'm done with Android jank. The only sideloaded app I really use is YouTube ReVanced. Had to give up on free Spotify anyway. One thing that surprised me on MacOS was that when you launch the Calendar app, they tell you they will track your usage. At that moment I realised - I'm sure Google/Samsung do the same shit, but they never tell me.

>>106392613
If only there wasn't a dozen of them.

>>106392677
>>106392743
And here come the retards.
>HUUUR WHO CARES THAT MICROSOFT IS TIGHTENING THE NOOSE WITH EVERY UPDATE, I CAN STILL HACK THE ISO TO BYPASS IT
>WHO CARES IF 5 YEARS FROM NOW MY COMPUTER WON'T EVEN ALLOW ME TO LOAD A MODIFIED ISO ANYWAY

>>106392765
>Shift+F10 does nothing for me.
Are you on the setup screen? It only works in either the pre-installer (the ISO you boot) or once you boot but before setup is complete (OOBE\InProgress = 1).
It also can be restricted by admins if your device is pre-imaged with a locked-down enterprise OS image or some bullshit.
What it should do, is pop an administrator cmd.exe and change the Z-order so OOBE is in the back and you can run any app on top of it.

>>106392840
Personally I couldn't give less of a shit. I finally switched to Linux when Windows 11 released since it was such an obvious downgrade and half-baked on launch (and in many ways still is).
Normie friends or family won't tolerate/understand/bother with Linux so Windows is the only option for them. I do this +massgrave for them so they don't get raped with ads and Office/OneDrive upsells every 5 fucking seconds.

>>106392840
I do fucking care but how the fuck am I supposed to stop them from doing it? All I can do is try to stay ahead of today's bullshit, until tomorrow's bullshit makes it so I can't anymore.

>>106392884
What will you do when remote attestation comes to windows/mac and every major website stops working on linux?

>>106392899
kill myself I guess?
what will YOU do?

>>106390857 (OP)
Reminder that Google is a DARPA project.

>>106391774
On the contrary, EU is mandating this shit with the age verification bullshit.

https://www.phonearena.com/news/eus-upcoming-age-verification-system-may-block-sideloaded-android-apps_id172690
https://www.talkandroid.com/512861-eu-age-verification-app-google/

>>106390857 (OP)
>To be clear, developers will have the same freedom to distribute their apps directly to users through sideloading or to use any app store they prefer. We believe this is how an open system should work—by preserving choice while enhancing security for everyone. Android continues to show that with the right design and security principles, open and secure can go hand in hand. For more details on the specific requirements, visit our website. We'll share more information in the coming months.

Panicgger.

>>106392899
It's already here, but no one uses it (yet). Mac has Private Access Tokens and Windows has their Pluton shit.
Honestly idk. For the few anticheat games I play, I have a Win11 VM with GPU passthrough and looking glass so I can play it while still using Linux. It has a software TPM for secure boot, but no Pluton of course so it won't pass hardware attestation.
Eventually my plan is to get a server with shitloads of storage hooked up via ZFS and run my own private root DNS servers, TLS cert authority, Gentoo package source mirror, basically all Internet infrastructure for a true overlay network. Then just data hoard as much shit as possible, torrent all the music, movies, books, put them in Jellyfin and publish an NFS share for other machines in the house to connect to. Then once I use more of my network than the rest of the Internet, fully disconnect and only use Internet when truly needed, everything else goes solely on my private network. Once in a while I can load it up with blurays or other content that I get physically.

>scoped storage
>now this
Fuck google. I'm buying some chink phone with an Android fork.

>>106392899
What happens then is crash! Bang! Out go the lights - and the lights never come back on.

>>106392975
Thank God it'll still be open (centralized).

>>106392899
I don't give a damn about major corporate bullshit websites.

>>106392975
forgot the part where they have to doxx themselves to google so they can sign their shit, most free software devs aren't willing to do that

>>106393021
won't need to. things like fdroid covers everyone. if you develop app for fdroid they'll sign it. you won't need ID for that. and google can't prevent you from sideloading either. will continue as normal. it's mostly about curving the sheer amount of malware and advertising malware on their platform posted by google accounts. everyone has to suffer because of scamming street shitters, chinks, americans and russians.

>>106392976
i like how it's a chatgpt post but you remembered to remove the spacing. really classy.

Can you westoids stop being so fucking passive and actually do something against those companies? The whole "I'll just use something else" strategy won't work forever.

>>106393114
Prove it

>>106393097
>writes genuine opinion and thoughts by hand
>chatgpt post
Fuck off

>>106393114
like what
genuinely please tell me

misleading headline. it should read;
>google regurgitates some corpospeak about privacy and security to mask their hate boner for revance.

>>106393181
amazing how the capitalization just changes in your reply. you forgot about that part, didn't you? only post that was actually typed by you.

>>106393209
Nobody knows what revance is.

>>106393236
meds

>>106390857 (OP)
Ok so now there's really no reason to get an android over an iphone.

>>106393085
F-droid signing is also affected. Most apps there are reproducible builds. And not every dev wants to deal with F-droid to begin with.

>>106390909
Retard.

>>106390857 (OP)
There's a simple solution to this problem

>>106392975
Sus

>harmful apps
Pathetic phrasing. People willingly disabling security measures to sideload unverified apps that actually do harm to a phone is a miniscule amount of android owners and there is ZERO responsibility of the manufacturer at that point. They can't possibly be forced to spend money fixing people shitting their own devices up this way. Brand damage can't even be a factor compared to any other "casual" bs they pull.

This is all about stopping ad-blocking at deeper levels isn't it? Despite the existence of it without disabling security features. "Harmful apps... to us!".

>>106390857 (OP)
Google wants me to verify my age before downloading Session. Is the session site legit or do I stick with the github

>>106393582
Dunno what you're doing but if it's on github, get it from github.

>>106393546
The EU will make sure nobody stays anonymous, and Google and Apple are more than happy to comply.
Android will be more attractive to a lot of services if they can guarantee nobody can mess with their shit. They want you to use the play store.
Also, brand damage is absolutely a thing.
>This is all about stopping ad-blocking at deeper levels isn't it? Despite the existence of it without disabling security features. "Harmful apps... to us!".
Yes, that's part of it.

>>106392244
>Ded ecosystem where users only download the same handful of apps
>So ded it even sterilized the VR launch
Ballmer is laughing at you, Cook.
Where are your DEVELOPERS?

>>106390857 (OP)
i remember spergs sperging about chrome killing adblockers 3 fucking years ago and ublock is still running fine on my chrome browser

>>106392605
why would an indian hate android? youre a fucking retard they love that shit more than cow dung

>>106394746
>ublock is still running fine on my chrome browser
no its not, unless you're using a chromium fork

>>106390857 (OP)
>>106391546
legal use case to justify why this is a problem

>>106390857 (OP)
So do they want to block the one and only thing that people buy Android phones for? What a bunch of retards.

>>106395004
>the one and only thing that people buy Android phones for?
is because its cheap, 99.99999% don't sideload malware on their devides.

>>106390857 (OP)
disturbing if true
but the cat and mouse will continue as it always did so, not my problem

>>106395129
Samsung phones are just as much as iPhones.

>>106394746
are you running the fork for extensionlets

>>106393191
pass a right to root access law

>>106395206
>Pass a law
>In the United States of America
You unironically have a better chance of winning the lottery

>>106390857 (OP)
only no-life nerds side load anyway.

>>106391546

I think this is a case where the newer versions aren’t successful enough to give MS the ability to do that. Imagine a future in 2050 though where we’re all the equivalent of “technology moonshiners” who “shun AI and install stuff anyone else make to our bare metal.”

>>106394746
Based anti updooter.

>>106390857 (OP)
Can they do that in the EU?

>>106391945
volte status?

>>106395674
Sailfish has it, and I wouldn't see why PMOS couldn't port it from that

>>106394779
>>106395196
>>106395451
oh look the spergs sperged their way out of the walls again. forks? no updating? chromium? huh? what are you spergs talking about? I'm using the latest version of google chrome from google.
Some time ago I got an alert that ublock was disabled but I just entered some flags or something in the URL bar and the switch to turn ublock back on was re-enabled.

nothing ever happens.

>>106390857 (OP)
>enforced by google play services
Not my problem

>>106396068
That flag will expire soon, you can no longer publish or update manifest V2 extensions on their store. ublock Origin won't be giving any Chrome support past 139 (current version)

>>106392296
>Windows 12 Home Edition:
- Now secure against evil h4xx0rs by only allowing you to run verified apps from the official M$ appstore
- All your storage is on the cloud
- No file explorer, command prompt or any other scary hacking apps
- $9.99 monthly subscription

>Windows 12 Enterprise Edition:
- Can run older/non-signed software
- Does have local accounts
- Pricing starts at $199.99 a month for 100 devices

>>106391546
What would that even look like? You just wouldn't be able to click the "run anyway" button?

>>106391961
Every kike institution is asking for a goyim device to complete transactions.
If yours hasn't yet it's because they're incompetent and they'll soon join in. Or you live in the 3rd world where no one cares (you'll still get locked eventually but maybe in a decade).

>>106396494
Weird, how big is Chase bank?

>>106396581
Huge, which puts them in the "incompetent" bag

>from unverified
It is safe to say that any Dev can become unverified if they host an any app that goes against the corpo faggot and revenue interest.

>>106391833 (checked)
>¿
Reported to ICE.

>>106396709
>and
Ad

>>106396641
They have a website, so they must more competent than the ones forcing you to use their shitty app

>>106396068
>>106394746
>he doesn't know
Ignorance is truly bliss. Enjoy while it lasts, faggot.

>>106390857 (OP)
Guess dumbphones are the only option if you want control, smartphones are glorified thin clients now. RIP F-droid.
>>106391546
We have another 5 years until that happens imo.

>>106391750
Android doesn't use GNU coreutils, dipshit

>>106396810
>We have another 5 years until that happens imo.
Next Windows version? They've been doing the groundwork with that TPM shit.

>>106392912
So is the internet.

>>106393236
whatever dude Fuck you

>>106390857 (OP)
there will be a way around it like spoofing the id in the app almost immediately after it launches.

guaranteed the only thing "harmful" They're referring to is revanced and shit that takes money directly out of their own pockets.

>>106391737
Exactly. I might just go back to apple and jailbreaking

>>106390857 (OP)
Well, and here I was trying to use an Android tablet as my main computer... back to Linux I guess.

>>106396975
Yeah, I guess it’s not that dramatic yet, but it’s a red flag and shows the direction Android is heading. They want to turn Android into another iOS

>>106397148
You will do nothing.

>>106392304
>solution
>FUCKING SOLUTIONFAGS

>>106397348
literally will either never happen because of the backlash from their own userbase, or will happen and fork option will show up and take over significant market share.

i guarantee the former will happen first.

>>106395674
You mutts really seem to be dependent on stuff like ((volte)), ((SMS)), I never used volte in my life.

>>106391546
kek

>>106390857 (OP)
Just make web apps?

>>106391667
Poettering and Sievers want your linux distro to be read-only except user files and the config files they allow you to touch

>>106397403
>solution
KEK gtfo

>>106396068
you're a moron

>>106390857 (OP)
Has anyone else noticed a faster than usual take over of repos on github but less than solid actors? The youtube repo for kodi now requires you to have a youtube account and api key to watch youtube instead of just hitting invidious proxies and everyone is acting like that's the way it's always supposed to have been.

>>106390857 (OP)
Why can't white niggers just fork Android like China did?

>>106402558
Incompetency. Samsung couldn't even make their store relevant. They should've forked it a long time ago and put "OneUI" on all their devices.

>>106402687
whatever happened to Tizen anyway

>blue just werks
not for long

>>106402748
doxx yourself, compile it and it'll work again

>>106402794
no the plan going forward is to just pay an Indian to compile everything with his credentials.

If this is real, then it's actually fucking over. But also I don't need to use anything more for a phone than my Unix flip phone, so I don't care as much as other people would.

>>106402825
isn't that f-droid

>>106392881
I had to disable this to install the latest free version of Sketchbook on my tablet by aptoid, as I didn't have good design apps in F-Droi and the most used were full of advertising.
In the end I installed Sketchbook, Krita and Pinup all without the Play Store cancer.

How is it even going to work without them pushing an update for older devices that I can just not install?

>>106403878
Google play services updates happen in the background

>>106391630
>and they are doing away with UWP
Explain this right fucking now

>>106390857 (OP)
is it that hard to make a dev account? what's the jewish trick here

>>106404196
it's over anon, it failed.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/uwp/get-started/universal-application-platform-guide
https://github.com/microsoft/WindowsAppSDK/discussions/1615

>>106390857 (OP)
ALWAYS REMEMBER

>>106402558
they did, grapheneOS, but it's only for pixels

>>106402711
still used on their smart tvs. has an up-to-date linux kernel as the base too. all the apps are just webviews.

they run some ai scanning program under the hood that describes everything you watch on the tv, then sells the data to advertisers linked to your connected e-mail and precise location.

>>106402558
>white
I see this guy mad at whites in every thread, posting in the same set of hours every day, but his provocations always go ignored and I feel bad.

Anon, what did the whites do to you? Why have you fostered hate in your heart?

>>106396875
bUsTeD!

>>106390857 (OP)
some russian abducted kid is probably working on a bypass to the govs need to deploy playstore troyans becaus of all the migrant crime

>>106405758
Tizen is probably the worst smart TV OS I've ever used.

>>106391767
>>106391774
Apple is LITERALLY doing this exact thing in the eu as we speak. What makes you retards think it'll be different for android?

>>106392708
>Secure boot allows you to insert your own keys, just because you are retarded doesn't mean secureboot is "taking away your FREEDOMES"

It's preparation. First you roll out lite version of secureboot. Everything open, everything can still be circumvented. Then you end up with secureboot or Windows won't boot. After that, it's only a single step from signed apps only. They're all doing it. Amazon is in the process of blocking sideloading on Kindles and new generation of drm.

>>106392267
This is a frustrating thing to discuss online because it's happening in real time. The EU Commission is currently debating whether or not to include specifically ECDSA (https://eprint.iacr.org/2024/2010) in the EUDI Wallet. There are two alternatives considered for ZKP, and they both have issues (one requires new mobile hardware, and the other requires redoing the way tokens are issued, which would set the project back enough for it to miss the deadline). If they decide against it, the app, at least at launch, won't be zero knowledge and they'll be able to track what sites you use the app on. There are also other open questions that may leak certain types of information but nothing as bad as the linkability issue you get when there's no ZKP.

>>106406278
it's even worse over there since apple is already weaponizing dev accounts/keys with EU oversight, and EU is weaponizing it to roll out digital ID to every user
>>106391774
no, google is facing a lot less competition with alternative stores nowadays, amazon killed it's app store and a shitload of foss devs burnt out over the last 3 or 4 years, epic's the sole one that has grown and it's a games only store (something google hasn't stopped failing at for well over a decade)
sideloading weakness is exactly why google is pulling this, closing down android was always the plan and that's why they invested hard into making their own bsd replacements for gpl software and then dropped the bsd stuff for proprietary stuff

>>106392746
won't work, any device shipping with google play services has to do this
huawei and the smaller gapps-less vendors are the only ones exempt because they don't ship google play services

>>106393085
f-droid having to ensure every app is ok by google standards to preserve their google provided key will either limit their store hard or end up with the project dying, and this is before google abuses the system
either they will go with reproducible builds and forcing devs to use their own google key or they will simply not participate or kill the project

What's preventing end users from paying $5 to be a dev and self-sign everything on for their own device?

>>106396975
spoofing signatures requires a custom rom (and most custom roms explicitly don't support spoofing signatures due to "security concerns"), if you can run a custom rom with signature spoofing you can simply not use gapps at all and avoid all the google cancer
this is why microg requires patched custom roms to work "well"

>>106397784
their cucked networks don't support any other calls I think, volte or nothing

I used to see it all the time on XDA

>does volte work?
>no

>>106406775
It'll be enforced through play services and it can be disabled.

fucking dumbass consoomer niggercattle will drag us all down to hell

>>106391709
this :))))))))))))))))

>>106392550
Windows and Mac are working mans operating systems. Linux and BSDs are for bored NEETs and sysadmins.

All devs will just move to f-droid and release there.

>>106391667
As a Macbook user it's not my problem either. I just go into system settings and say "yes, exempt this" and that's it.

>>106390857 (OP)
ditch android, problem solved

>>106390857 (OP)
This is just good for app devs tbqh

Higher bar means less junk apps to clutter the algorithm which means more downloads

>>106390857 (OP)
Can't you just enable development mode on your phone, then git pull the project and build the apk yourself?

Not sure how they can prevent that, unless there is some kind of key mechanism which is bound to the developer being verified to be able to build the apk in the first place.

>>106410616
That's how Apple does it AFAIK. Requires an Apple Developer subscription which is tied to your Apple account. Then you have some key pair that is valid per account for each dev.

Cannot build or run any apps without it.

What if someone just created a sort of sandbox app, approved by Google, wherein you can create and share apps?
Think F-Droid with the software essentially being an extension of the app.
>T. 20 year old normie who has little tech knowledge but wants someone to steal this idea if it even makes sense

>>106410748
And I understand that there are obviously much bigger issues posed by what Google is suggesting.
I am just referring to a solution for the shut-in German men who make open-source clock apps.

People don't seem to understand, they are going after custom ROMs.

Android will be closed source. They have already plans for it.

>>106410787
This.

>>106391737
Or just don't use a phone? I don't see the point in having all this tech anymore anyways all the cool shit being done on it was a decade ago.

>>106411111
Wasted

>>106411631
This.

>>106391546
the amount of consumers who actively use win32 apps and other non-app store loaded products shrinks every year. You should see the look an the average zoomer's face when they have UAC on and the prompt comes up that says
>WOULD YOU LIKE TO LET THIS SCARY PROGRAM CHANGE YOUR COMPUTER?
>NO (in massive, highlighted font)
>show more (in tiny font)

what do you think they're going to do? They're going to run to the app store instead. Like everyone else does.

>>106410015
>As a Macbook user