Thread 106395262

>New AMD AI processors
>RTX 5070 module
>RX7700S is still being sold
>New cooling
>New display
>New shell for increased rigidity
>240W USB-C charger

>>106395262 (OP)
Tell me when it's below $600, I'll buy it then.

general rule of thumb is laptops have 1/3 of the performance of desktops, mainly because of thermal constraints, so i tend to avoid them

>>106395299
Best they can do is a plastic chassis with a last-gen i3.

>>106395262 (OP)
continuing to sell the 7700S is absolutely clownish considering how much time and money they have sunk into the AMD partnership.

That and the lack of Strix Halo means they are trying to kill this product, it's really obvious at this point. Why not just buy the AI 9 HX 370 13 board instead? it still can't be used for AI because it doesn't support ROCm.

It got upgrades only after they created two entirely new products in two completely different categories. They're basically spitting in the face of everyone who bought one of these things, there isn't a single reason to buy a 16 over a 13 considering the price.

>8GB GDDR7
basically useless. you can get a full 5070 for $100 less with 12GB of VRAM.
>b-b-b-but we didn't have room on the board!
increase the RAM density you shysty fucks. you're telling me you can't fit 16GB of VRAM on the board or at least 12 when other laptop manufacturers manage to do this easily in less space? who is running the 16 product management?

If you bought a 16 at launch you now have to spend at least $2000 to upgrade to max spec with no way to reuse the original mainboard or screen (or god forbid the original 7700S if you purchased one as well.

You can buy an entirely new laptop with better specs for $2100 and one with matching specs for like $1700.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FHKX1JT8

This company is fucked.

>>106395262 (OP)
>2.2k for this ugly piece of shit that I can buy from Lenovo for 1.4k
>60W power brick
loonix is a special kind of autism

Any chance of notable price drops for the original Framework 16?

Or a 4060/4070 module for those of us who care about 32 bit PhysX support?

>>106395299
I'm so sick of hearing Framework fans defend they're over priced tinker pads. These things are a huge wast of money.

>>106395456
>continuing to sell the 7700S is absolutely clownish considering how much time and money they have sunk into the AMD partnership.
Chances are that Framework wanted something better but AMD isn't offering anything. No RDNA4 laptop chips currently exist and it doesn't seem like they're making anything soon
>or at least 12 when other laptop manufacturers manage to do this easily in less space
Source on this? Every other laptop manufacturer has been getting shafted by Nvidia with 8GB 5070s to the point where Jarrod's Tech and HUB made a video on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ric7yb1VaoA
>>You can buy an entirely new laptop with better specs for $2100 and one with matching specs for like $1700.
This is true, pricing is fucked on the 16 and I can't recommend any of my friends to pay premium or MBP prices for mediocre specs.

>>106395505
>Any chance of notable price drops for the original Framework 16?
You'll have to wait longer, it takes a few months before they start dropping prices on old stock.
>Or a 4060/4070 module for those of us who care about 32 bit PhysX support?
Nvidia stopped making those chips last year, you're shit out of luck.

At the moment, the only good products Framework is really offering are the 13 and the Desktop. Everything else seems to be too expensive for what's on offer.
t. 12th gen Intel Framework 13 owner

>>106395505
>Any chance of notable price drops for the original Framework 16?
unlikely, they will cut prices on some of the original parts though until they've gotten through them

>Or a 4060/4070 module for those of us who care about 32 bit PhysX support?

this will never happen

"rx 7700s"

I have never heard of this GPU in my life. This is basically 4060 tier if you dont' care about raytracing rtx dlss garbage?

>>106395670
Just about. They've been selling that laptop for the past two years but the GPU module is getting a refresh with the same chip.
The 5070 will beat the 7700S but it's getting kneecapped by the 8GB of VRAM, it's not worth the $700 premium that Framework is asking for.

>>106395262 (OP)
>amd
nope

I'd rather buy an aluminium framed laptop on aliexpress and upgrade the ram and storage, I need at least 64gb of ram

>>106395739
>aliexpress
you're a fucking idiot. framework has problems but they're infinitely better than chinkslop

>>106395262 (OP)
FSR 4 support?

>>106395639
If AMD isn't offering anything they could have easily at least built a Strix Halo board. Even with soldered RAM and downclocked it's a more viable path forward than the fucking same chip that's in the 13 with a little bit of extra wattage. The 890M is anemic compared to the 8060S and doesn't belong in a fucking 16" form factor unless you're adding a GPU immediately.

That AI 7 350 board is so embarrassing I forgot about it, it's literally slower than both of the previous boards (7[8||9]40HS and still $200 overpriced. I have no idea what they are thinking.

>>106395639
>Source on this? Every other laptop manufacturer has been getting shafted by Nvidia with 8GB 5070s to the point where Jarrod's Tech and HUB made a video on it.
OK fair enough I didn't realize nobody were adding more than 8GB on the mobile 5070s. Now I'm just more mad at Nvidia.

>>106395776
How exactly, it's all made in china, explain yourself poojeet

>>106395843
most of framework's shit is made in taiwan, dumbass

>>106395848
Only the CPU probably you ugly streetshitter

>>106395262 (OP)
8gb gpu? no thanks.

>>106395456
Why would you get a laptop like this for 2100 usd when desktops exist?
Serious question.

>>106395838
>If AMD isn't offering anything they could have easily at least built a Strix Halo board.
This. I'd even take it with soldered RAM as long as they offered the same 64GB config as the desktop. Sucks that Asus is the only company offering Halo in a portable form factor.

>>106395897
portability.

Why don't they just give us the ability to plug in our own full size graphics cards instead of trying to fit useless cards into a tiny slot in the back?

Thanks but I'm sticking with the Aorus 16 with the 5090

>>106395926
The 13 can already do that, you just need a Thunderbolt or USB4 dock.

>>106395943
Lol just get a desktop at this point fuckwit, when you have to lug around a piece of shit that weighs more than the laptop it's no longer portable

>>106395926
so you can use a discrete gpu in a coffee shop without spilling spaghetti everywhere

>>106395966
>Why don't they just give us the ability to plug in our own full size graphics cards
>This is how you do that.
>Just get a desktop at this point fuckwit, it's no longer portable
Well what the fuck do you want then retard?

>>106396048
Not your jeettop garbage lol

>>106395262 (OP)
>AI Processors

>>106396076
Aka python jeet script processors

>>106395306
That's why I deliberately buy an underpowered laptop to avoid that. Modern iGPU is a miracle.

>>106395848
The horrible BOE screen with 40+ ms response time is from China. The entire chassis is from China.
Only the electrical components are manufactured in Taiwan

>>106395456
allegedly AMD is not even releasing mobile GPU chips this year so they aren't missing out on much

>>106396076
That's the name of the latest generation AMD mobile CPUs

Mindbloating

>>106395262 (OP)
Doesn't apply to framework 12 which is the only one I'm interested in.

>>106396003
for coffee shop usage just take the 13 and build a gpu server at home and access it through ssh

the 13 with the amd board is good enough for light/medium game on a 13" screen you don't need more, use your server for stuff like IA or rendering

no one will run a full gaming laptop with the gpu at 100% at a coffee shop because of the noise

>>106395262 (OP)
The CEO

>>106395262 (OP)
I literally cannot afford this.
Yes I'm poor.
Yes I have a job.
No I don't live in a third-world country.
How the fuck do companies expect me to contribute to the economy if I'm priced out of everything

>>106395262 (OP)
what the fuck is an AI processor? a graphics card?

an "AI" processor is a CPU with "AI" in the name
>>106403248
>>106396076

>>106395670
Yeah. It was a pretty good chip for this usecase, it's power-efficient and fast enough to play every game at 60.