Thread 106405948

How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide

>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Case Studies, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/

>/iemg/'s Blog/Wiki (Archive, Books & Papers, Music Editorial, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/

>Frequency Response Graph Tool
squig.link

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18
• Tanchjim Bunny (Mild U) - $20
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• EPZ Q1 Pro / G10 (V-shape) - $35
• Kiwi Ears Cadenza (Mild V) - $35

>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28
• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8
• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) $18
• Tanchjim Stargate II (8-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• Hifi Walker H2 / Surfans F20 (Rockbox) - $120
• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

Previous Thread: >>106373451

Nicehck YD520 are pretty good for $15. These might replace the ED9 pro as my favorite bullet IEMs.
They don't stick out far at all, I can sleep on my side with these against the pillow. Great overall balance and imaging. Build quality is cheap generic plastic, I can see exactly where these will break in half, but that won't be hard to fix.

>>106405948 (OP)
The fox nigger is dead, I killed him

>>106406039
Think of it as an upgrade to the old Sony buds and Panasonic ergofits.

when will iems be interesting again

>>106406045
will IEMG be less shitty as a rsult?

>>106406122
No, it will die like hpg did

>>106406182
so yes it will be less shitty

>>106406092
You know which iems I kinda miss? The Sony MH1C. Couldn't tell you why. It must've been 8 years since I've heard them. They were a pain to wear, but they sounded so smooth and unfussy (if a little undetailed).

>>106406616
The YD520s have unusually good detail retrieval (possibly better than the Q1 pro) but also sort of sound "low-def" like the KZ ATE did.
Very good tuning but probably not the best distortion because of the cheap PET driver. The treble and off gassing plastic stench will probably be a bit much for some people

Similar to KZ, I think Nicehck is best at making cheap single DD earphones that sound better than mainstream Sony, JVC, Phillips et al. They've both beat the "stuff a bunch of random shit in a cable-up IEM" gimmick to death. Time to go back to basics.

>>106405631
>>106404498
cont:

>You should also disable any sound processing software on your laptop. They may be boosting bass unbeknownst to you.

As I said, this laptop has Nahmic installed, which has some basic sliders for bass, treble, voices etc, and then also has discrete equalizer sliders for 32, 64, 125, 250, 500, 1k, 2k, 4k, 8k, and 16khz each. I definetely think I do want equalizer software with even more discrete, finer tweaks then those, but even figuring out what each frequency slider there does is already a bit much for me

It is also apparently a huge pain to fully uninstall nahmic, and I've also read that FXsound and some other equalizer software can similarly fuck up your audio drivers and be difficult to remove/fix at times so I am hesitant to try them: I have used equalizer APO once but found it confusing, and somebody suggested Voicemeeter Bannana, though the UI for that also seems very overwhelming

>>106405738
Is there a guide for how to read/interpret these for dummies? Or a way to generate one for hardware I can't find one for, like the Ally, to then try to find speakers that have a similar graph response to it?

Also re: hardware that can do both highs and lows without both drowning each other out, would getting seperate subs help with that? What should I be looking for there? I had to return the Edifier MR3's I had (I might rebuy them tho) but I still have the Kanto ORAMG speakers

>>106406039
>>106406834
You can like whatever you like brother, but your "revelations," and comparisons are 5 years behind. Bullet style is a limiting form factor, and companies barely put their best foot forward. Even more than other budget pos, bullets are compromised in terms of
driver quality used, sophistication of tuning, etc.
I'm not some malding weirdo just chiming in. Thanks for sharing your thoughts through your bullet journey.
Have you tried any Final bullets btw? They are nice for a warmer listen, also include fairly famous ear tips. Not great build quality or treble resolution, but smooth and oddly good with imaging / holography

how are the wankers 2 compared to sg ?
My pair of wankers broke in the gym (ripped the cable but cba to use another one) so im thinking about getting wan'ker 2

>>106407016
you get a slightly nicer cable and set of tang sancai ear tips. some samples of wanker2 graph with a bit less bass, kinda negligible

>>106407025
Lmao so it's the same scam as Studio wankers
I guess i'll gift it to my sister since she likes the boxes and towel that comes with it and get proper TWS/bluetooth iems for the gym. Any recs ?

>>106406936
It's generally recommended to use equalizer APO because it has full parametric EQ, more control. Can't exactly advise the troubleshooting problems you may face. Nahmic and all that stuff is just crappy bloatware, I remember dealing with it in the past. It's ideal if you figure out how to get down to the bare driver for audio function and move on to equalizer APO + Peace GUI.
For reading frequency response graphs, it takes some time. You can click the yellow question mark on squig.link for quick tutorial. The EQ guide in OP is more in depth. Basically for all audio products, you can just search "model + frequency response graph" and try to find a sample. There is lots of context around graphs to understand that not all graphs are equivalent (may be measured with different methodology, may be compensated / presented to us in different scale, distinguishing between "flat," for room speakers versus headphones, etc.). Most of those finer details are in the EQ guide

>>106407057
space travel 2 or some other qcy, soundpeats

>cables get tangled in weights, rips out your eardrum from the suction
>randomly falls out and gets smashed
>filters clog from sweat
>high isolation so you don't notice the crazed nigger behind you who drops 200lbs on your head
surely you guys aren't dumb enough to use iems for exercise right?

>>106407546
>cables get tangled in weights, rips out your eardrum from the suction
Can this actually fucking happen? Everything else seems on point.
I think the cable or the connection would simply get ripped away

>>106407577
i can see it happening with etymotics

>>106407546
nah i use my apple air slops for the gym
they are actually pretty good

>>106407546
they're used during concerts. how's that any worse?

>>106407587
No one would be retarded enough to decide working out with etydildos

i'd bet a whole $5 that SMSL RAW-MDA 1, Topping DX5 II, and D&A Alpha Pro are the same exact chinkshit and it irks me.

Anyways to mitigate ear pressure pain from IEM usage bros or should I just take a break

>>106407915
take a break, earbuds or headphones

>>106407915
I don't have ear pressure pain... maybe try different IEMs/eartips?

>>106407915
stop using shitty iems

all pos is shitty

only yours

>>106407981
Stop looking your iems and start using them

>>106408327
i am not foxbum

when did you realize harman research is filled with people with hearing loss?

>>106408683
anybody who cares about graphs is deaf, this is well known

>>106408683
>>106408732
people with their tongue up sean olive's ass and that reduce every technical trait to FR are the flat earthers of audio

>>106408789
>technical trait
Shit untrained listeners say.

Just ordered a tempotec v1, should I kill myself?

>>106409618
keep up with any thread it has on asr or headfi. pray for firmware update

New epzos.

>>106409888
Cute and trans coded with that color scheme! Might pick one up sisters :3

>>106410166
this but unironically

to monitoringfags: monitoring is not a single activity with one target curve, it's a whole group of activities
>vocal monitoring
mid-centric, muddy, dark and velied tuning like Shure SE215 or Softears Studio 2 works the best, as it focuses on the most critical region
>drum monitoring
tuning with boosted, tactile bass and gentle treble to feel the impact but not get tired after hours of playing
>mixing & mastering
tuning that's as close to neutral as possible, which means DF with adjustments, ideally as close to your HRTF as you can get, realistically JM-1 is the way to go
to the IE100 Pro anon >>106403581 - this pos is tuned according to the outdated tuning philosophy from the 2000's when 3k ear gain wasn't yet a widely known phenomenon and the whole anatomy thing was largely ignored, it was just an audio engineer tuning IEMs according to his own (flawed) perception and when it worked, it worked, but was far cry from the current methodology that's why nowadays even $20 shit like Salnotes Zero, Tangzu Wanker or even older and worse models like CCA CRA are tuned better than IE100 Pro, IE300 or IE900
in contrast, IE600 and IE200 are where Sennheiser actually did its homework and started to tune IEMs according to human anatomy which is a great breakthrough for the company and a leap in quality
the 3k ear gain is there for a very good reason because of how human anatomy works and how human brain is compensating for it throughout the whole life, that's why a flat line tuning in pos results in perceivably severely recessed 3k during audition

>>106407057
>i'll gift it to lilsister
Make sure to include coffee tips!

>>106407915
try Sancai eartips

>>106408683
realize? you didn't even read the research you dumb fuck lmao
educate yourself before talking shit

>>106406520
>headpos law

Good wired for a nintendo switch and videogame ost on phone?

No gaming earphones, just a good sound quality and bass (30$ is the most i can do)

Package delivered! Let's see if I got memed or not

>>106409400
>bragging about being harman trained
>>106410898
case in point. remember when it took you forever to post "citations" to eq guide and all it was is a link to sean olive MANUSCRIPTS that AES doesn't even edit, review or consider.
>"This Convention paper was selected based on a submitted abstract and 750-word precis that have been peer reviewed by at least two qualified anonymous reviewers. The complete manuscript was not peer reviewed. This convention paper has been reproduced from the author's advance manuscript without editing, corrections, or consideration by the Review Board. The AES takes no responsibility for the contents"
read who's research, then?

Love red

>>106411377
>and all it was is a link to sean olive MANUSCRIPTS
really faggot? straight up lying?
>read who's research, then?
if you didn't read the actual research for IE targets why the fuck are you talking about them?
just shut the fuck up your "realizations" are worthless and 20 years late

>>106411126
so??? did you??

>>106411599
lol you're fried

>>106411815
you are so stupid. people with hearing loss wanted less bass and more treble than harman target

Do you think that truthear and crin will release a zero red 2 that's in line with the new meta?

>>106411843
why are you telling me this? I have no interest in arguing over an outdated boring target and its senile creator. keep pretending you're the pos guru
>inb4 'I accept your concession'

>>106411946
you are fucking senile
and you brought up harman even tho nobody here even likes it lol
if you are too ignorant to talk about "outdated target" why do you think you can talk about less outdated targets? you don't know anything about them either
and yeah I accept your concession because you are a braindead troglodyte

Chudware: More bass than pinna gain, but still great extension in the air frequencies.

Troonware: More pinna gain than bass, scooped out mids, congested air frequencies.

>>106412139
in other words, EDC Pro > shartman target

Can i make a HiFi pmp with rpi xero -2w or similar? Any blueprint?

>>106411708
Actually the EPZ's haven't arrived yet. But got my dongle and it works, so far so good. Thanks for keeping a hand on the pulse, anon, I'll keep you updated.

How do I do burn in most effectively?

I want these effects

>>106412248
BVMP

>>106412345
>>106412368
burn in is not real
and even if it was there would be no guaranty it can improve the sound quality instead of the opposite

>>106409400
*untrooned listeners

>>106412368
Hey, dumb-dumb. You seem naive so I'll cut you some slack. A lot of Headfiers benefit from these Chi-Fi brands via free units being sent for review which fuels their dopamine rush; In return, these reviewers balance singing praise with "minor drawbacks." Conveniently, these "drawbacks" all have the same solution; either hold onto an iem you don't vibe with instead of just returning it, or buy more bullshit (for example, if you hear an iem has dark treble, you'll be told the solution to 'brighten' it is to use a 'bright' source, which disregards the fact that any reputable source is meant to measure flat, not color the sound). For your own sanity, stop reading so deeply into Headfi reviews.

why is epz g10 so good, bros?

>>106412139
My suggestion is to keep your distance


'Cause right now I'm dangerous

>caring about graphs is for the deaf
>except when the graph is Harman target, then it's fine to hate it
You pathetic chudcels are never gonna make it. EQ guide is unironically more advanced than Harman research btw. Sean is still unaware of insertion depth and acoustic impedance stuff.

>>106413570
Harman is tranny target, aint nothing chuddish about that

>>106411126
What did u get bro

>>106413631
Jcally JM7. Still waiting on the EPZ Q1 Pros.

>>106413570
shame nobody has ever read it

>>106411126
>>106411708
>>106413631
Ok, now it finally arrived. Be back soon. What tracks should I try them out on?

>>106413570
>Sean is still unaware of insertion depth and acoustic impedance stuff.
I'm pretty sure he is aware... but shame they never accounted for it for their research...
they at least should've used several common IEMs with different fit instead of deep insertion one

>>106413722
your favorite ones

>>106412248
BVMP

haven't looked at this general in years, I'm still using my T2s from 2018. just got a new TWS bluetooth set for them. they still sound ok to me, but is there any amazing new low or mid budget IEM I should be getting?

Is it normal to get static during quiet parts of a track?

>>106414641
no

>>106414641
ok let's troubleshoot. what sensitivity are your pos?

why are cables so fucking expensive? I keep seeing just downright mid cables for the price of a whole IEM

>>106414945
because retards keep buying them

>>106414945
idk honestly, i never buy cables more expensive than 20eu

>>106413570
graphshitting is cope for people who know nothing about audio when they getsl something that sounds like shit and they have to rationalise getting tricked into it

>>106414999
nah you are just retarded

>>106414999
no "team epz" or "team minimum-phase" anons even exist in this general to save you. this is why you samefag as a means of keeping up appearances. don't you ever say the word "cope" again.

Just recieved my $2 TRN MT1

>>106414871
After a bit more testing, it appears to be a problem on one phone+dongle combination.
>Phone A + dongle
static is there
>Phone B + same dongle
no static
>Phone A audio jack
no static

Kinda interesting to be honest. Why would the DAC's behavior be different on different phones?

Linsoul or moondrop?
Also what IEM?
Budget $30

>>106415444
>>Phone A + dongle
>static is there
Samsung?

>>106415449
LG

>>106415243
just call em what they are, the trooned listeners

>>106415444
noise on the USB power circuit. the DAC must not have sufficient power filtering.