Thread 106408265

4chan is making a legal motion to claim the Internet belongs to America

fucking lol
They should've stuck to that "the bongs can't fine us because we don't operate a company there" case since that one was plausible.

JUST IGNORE NIGEL
NIGEL CANT / WONT EVER DO SHIT.

>>106408265 (OP)
>2 + 2 is 4
wow

>>106408285
They're suing them in a US court.
Even though the US operates entirely within the US with no assets in the UK, Ofcom has been harassing them (and other US based sites) with threats of fines.
The lawsuit is to draw in the US government and make it tell Ofcom to fuck off

>>106408285
Of course not, that would be compelling and lead to it going in their favor. To continue the grift you have to always appear vulnerable and on the defensive, so just shout the most retarded, soapboxy argument that makes you look cool but has no legal basis besides "FUCK YEAH, MURICA, FUCK THE ANGLOS" so when the case gets thrown out you can beg for more money because da joooooz are sending you ignorable TV license letters.

unbelievably patriotic and based suck it redcoats

>>106408310
>Even though the US operates entirely within the US
*Even though the sites operate entirely within the US

>>106408329
Could you vomit more buzzwords into a single post?

>Lolcow, LLC
wtf

>>106408265 (OP)
That’s not entirely correct and what they did is going to ruined everything for everyone. We used to have servers on location and people connected to them, thus the age of lag became an everyday occurrence. After cheaper servers and better services, there is no one server on a location because it’s now everywhere.

These stupid lawyers should have told 4chan to sue UK for breaking 4chan Terms of Service that specifically list where they agreed to follow the law. The UK government has failed in following the law.

why would either plaintiffs even attempt that when burger-located majority market share international processors have been raping them for years

>>106408265 (OP)
england isnt relevant enough for me to have a lot of memes about them

>>106408343
>using the "buzzword" buzzword

>>106408265 (OP)
Based.

>>106408265 (OP)
Holy based

>>106408360
This is an open and shut case. The UK has no legal authority over these sites to levy fines, threaten, harass or regulate.
whats the alternative lawsuit you're suggesting?

Wait a second I thought null and hiro hated each other.

>>106408383
just lawfully ignore them
claiming the internet is majority american will only embolden american payment processors into claiming international lines are also majority american, fucking both plaintiffs in the long run

>>106408386
I'm also bewildered. 4chan auto bans you for two weeks if you link to kiwifarms. With no warning and it's not against the rules.

Are we allowed to post URLs now?

>>106408265 (OP)
richard dawkins said the experience of getting harry pottered by the dumbledore at his boarding school didnt affect his life or career. however, lennon may have been born gay

>>106408399
Ok nigel

based, get all the europoors and brown people off my american internet

>>106408265 (OP)
Why doesn't the bong government just block 4cuck in their country? They should know damn well that they're never seeing a dime of that bullshit fine money.

>>106408430
Thats what they'll most likely do, but they keep trying to impose illegal fines in the meantime

>>106408438
Well "in the meantime" they're just exposing their law as being retarded and unenforceable.

>>106408446
They're entirely enforceable domestically, which is why so many international corpos with assets in the country are complying.

>>106408452
>corpos

shut up faggot you're not in cyberpunk

someone needed to say this a long time ago. all these bullshit fines and regulations from across the atlantic is just seethe manifest because you know damn well america does in fact run the tech world and internet and instead of competing and innovating you just try and make these pathetic regulations to feel big and powerful. like a little ungrateful hall monitor. stop using our sites, stop using our software, stop using our hardware, just fuck off frenchie

considering al gore invented the internet this is not a stretch

>>106408452
The corpos will always be in lockstep with the government. They're not who the UK needs to worry about. If 4chan gets away with just ignoring the government, everyone else will too. Then the UK will either have to build a national firewall that would make Xi Jinping swoon or just give up.

>>106408430
much like how they don't want to be viewed as "racist" in taking action against immigrants, not wanting to be viewed as censorious in blocking it themselves is hilariously plausible

>>106408490
Function of public watch, needlessly overgeneralized fear/uncertainty/doubt

>>106408310
But how can ofcom harass 4chan? Like what, they send a letter to print out for use as toilet paper? It's not like some UK law applies to US citizens in the US, or to any other citizen of any other country for that matter.

>>106408502
The everyone outside of the UK will just ignore the law and the only negative impact will be to UK tech companies, which will effectively be permanently locked out of the international tech industry.

>>106408411
Why do they're butts look so weird?

>>106408386
Business

>>106408488
>al gore
JD Vance out of nowhere?

>>106408473
>he says in a thread concerning dystopian censorship in a word of ai thought impossible 5 years ago and people cutting off their own dicks
We're getting there.

>>106408539
You're right, but Ofcom is still making official threats of fines and imprisonment towards US businesses that operate in the US and are complying with US law.
These threats and fines are illegal as they have no jurisdiction to police Americans within the US, hence the lawsuit. The lawsuit does not include international organizations that do operate or hold assets within the UK, which are within their jurisdiction.

>>106408411
Ayo lennon got ass

>>106408560
Too much LSD. It's acid-butt.

>>106408560
I rather want to know more about the two dots in the dark spot on the floor between them.

>>106408265 (OP)
this is based, I am not even american but didn´t the internet start as a military tool? Like all the cool stuff in the past

>>106408646
Wasn't it universities communicating with each other?

>>106408265 (OP)
>Internet belongs to America
well, you're not wrong. icann, is hq in us and most of the root address is in the us

>>106408657
The common myth (not necessarily untrue) is that the internet as it exists today started with ARPANET which was started by the DoD exclusively for their use at first.

>>106408408
I got auto banned for posting the dancing joker webm from that suicide squad game because the clip came from a leak before the game released and Warner Bros sent a cease and desist to 4chan headquarters to remove all imagery of the game. But that was years ago and I posted the webm like this year but still caught a ban. I think the mods haven't checked the auto ban scripts in a while because it feels schizo.

>>106408427
>europoors and brown people
Redundant

>>106408699
>redundant
>t. le 53% face and dropping

>>106408347
>Leaked documents showed the family knowingly whoring out their own kids for money for years
>Cry crocodile tears when one of them finally pakeet'd
>Meanwhile LE didn't do shit
The whole island infested with mudslime, lol enforcements cuck for said mudslimes, and then even the white """victims""" can't help but be repulsive filth. Is there any fucking saving grace in the UK?

>>106408672
Autoban is retarded, should at least a warning saying that if your IP tries to post it again inside 12 hrs you will get a ban. Two weeks out of the blue just for posting something you think is fine to post is unreasonable.

>>106408744
The burgers project about that shit hard, they must think it will stop happening in their own home if they lie loudly enough on the internet.

>>106408829
Prosperity is a global concern. You have contributed to an attitude as this post was not complicit in having cited any reasonable study.

>>106408560
photoshop

>>106408744
this isn't adjusted for life expectancy, something something waffle house map.

>>106408539
The UK government could use the massive fines as an excuse to abuse INTERPOL secret red notices if any agent of 4chan or KF steps out of the US into a country willing to make an arrest, then all of a sudden they are extradited to the UK to sit in bong prison while their trial is delayed for years.

>Internet is American
Do they want to get cucked by Visa and Mastercard?

>>106408473
>shut up faggot you're not in cyberpunk
Have you been paying attention for the last 5 years?

>>106408265 (OP)
I actually think there's a strong case that the TLD domain .org is in fact owned and operated by the US government (ICANN)

>>106409173
Just and proper. I appeal to the queen a response whether this qualify as correct wording

>>106408265 (OP)
Range ban everyone without an American IP.

>>106408265 (OP)
most of internet technology was invented in Europe

I'm seriously expecting for OFCOM to attack international assets like servers of social media companies that refuse to comply with them.
The massive fines would be a way for the UK government to seize any server outside the US in a country willing to go along with this shit.

For example, KF used to have a lot of their servers in the EU and an UK judgement from huge OFCOM fines could easily take all of the equipment.
I really think this is the plan by bongs.

>>106409227
TRVTHSVPERNOVA

>>106409101
Why don’t they just accept American Express?

>>106408386
It's like in my Japanese animes when the good guy teams up with a bad guy to fight an even worse bad guy

>>106408265 (OP)
>claim
It's fact. Read a book nigger.

>>106408265 (OP)
foreigners btfo'd

>>106409244
UK isn't in the EU retardbro

>>106408265 (OP)
>G7 member states
kek, i see what they did there

>>106408329
Muricans are Anglos, nigger.

The notion, that Europeans try grab power over American platforms because they don't have any themselves, is correct.
As long as he limits it to Europeans of course.
Saying Chinese or even Russia. would be ridiculous, since those have their own.

>>106408502
Pretty much this. The point was to 'protect children' and the blocking of sites is a last resort. They're honor bound to continue to pretend it's not about censorship so taking the act of blocking otherwise legal sites to adults means it's not about children at all, which is what they want to avoid. That said, they do have the powers to do so in the act. They also have powers to go after payment providers and other associates- for example sure you can use a VPN to access 4chan still, but no payment provider would be allowed to send funds to 4chan for a pass. Coinbase included.

>>106408265 (OP)
>Hiro hired a /pol/ lawyer

>>106408265 (OP)
I hope Trump picks up on this notion that the Internet is in fact US property and any attempt by foreign governments to regulate and control it will result in immediate consequences. Of course this is delusional thinking since the 14 eyes are very much aligned with their plans of global online censorship and the banning of encrypted communication protocols and p2p protocols, which rivals even China's policies.

>>106408265 (OP)
not american but this is based.

>>106409689
>property
It's a bunch of privately owned networks.

>>106408386
I think Null went as far as to defend shit he hates on his site after the Uk went full retard

>>106408265 (OP)
You do realize that this is how they are gonna normalize firewalling off shit and deep packet inspection, right?

>>106409725
they already do this anyway

fyi the og SKG discord has been organizing against this bullshit for a longer while now

if you want to destroy OSA just type "stopkillinggames" into the invite box

>>106409376
vgh...

Trump x 4chan collab coming soon. Troons will rope and leftoids will cope begging for 4chan to be censored by deranged literal who Euroid countries with no tech industry. True oldfags who voted for trump 3 times will stand side by side with Trump, 4chan and free speach.

>>106409739
>we want more government control
>NO, NOT LIKE THIS
i hate bootlickers so much

>>106409376
Hiro doesn't even know who null is. He barely knows what 4chan is.

>>106408539
they're literally leveraging fines
>just don't pay them
of course they're not going to pay them, but then what happens when the UK starts trying to pressure globohomo banks into seizing assets? should american companies have to deal with the threat of banks operating as some kind of whimsical global law enforcement? would that benefit the US economy in any way?

>>106409731
With that logic, next time they lock us into our homes, you'll be like they already do this anyway.

>>106409689
Is this the best of all possible worlds? USA claims control of internet through a mixture of courts protecting free speech and the intelligence community conspiring for control of networks?

>>106408285
>>106408329
>Retarded Euroids never read a court document before
These aren't legal arguments. The introduction section is always a soapbox section especially in high profile cases.

>>106409762
Even if the US denies extradiction, it still means that the UK can grab them off an airport in any country with similar laws, so the whole EU, and hiro is in France.
So it's best to fight it straight away and not wait.

>>106409762
>would that benefit the US economy in any way?
The problem with modern cattle is they don't think this way. When it comes to international affairs, the *only* consideration should be
>how does this benefit America?
but these people would call that nationalism and start ranting about Hitler, unprompted.

There is no benefit to American companies, operating in America, to be subject to the laws of a foreign nation.

>>106409765
That was le good though because we stopped the spread and wiated like good boys to get injected with the safe vaccines that permited us the right to go outside again.

>>106409765
NSA surveillance doesn't give a single fuck about what is legal or not and already does that.
You lost that chance when you did nothing during Snowden.

>>106409781
How were your parents in their parenting? I'm asking because I'm definitely doing the exact opposite.

why doesn't the uk just blacklist 4chan nationally? wouldn't that be the grown up solution? how can they argue they have jurisdiction over a company that doesn't even pay them taxes?

>>106409792
Why? Do you not want your children to be well behaved? Do you want theam to spread dangerous, even deadly viruses like COVID?

>>106409798
Because if they censor a popular website they'll look like the Nazi wannabes they are.

>>106409798
Because of what is written in the pic in OP.

They want to control the Internet. Its a well known European strategy that they even themselves admit.

>>106408411
The difference in asscrack length is remarkable.

>>106408265 (OP)
if your shit isn't hosted in some country that changes its laws, they shouldn't be able to fine you for the law change. if they want to make their own ISPs block your domain, that's fine, but they should have no grounds to levy fines

>>106409762
>of course they're not going to pay them, but then what happens when the UK starts trying to pressure globohomo banks into seizing assets?
This is basically just a matter of time until this starts happening with the way things are going. Any entity that is at risk of this happening to them should start moving assets into Monero as a safeguard.

>>106409891
>This is basically just a matter of time until this starts happening with the way things are going
which is why there's a need for legal precedents and laws
if a bank touch's a us citizen's assets without a court order from a us judge, or they debank or otherwise deny services to a us citizen without a us court order, they're guilty of civil rights violations, simple as
banks are federally regulated entities, they don't get to just do whatever they want

because of shit like this we'll have national networks like China in 5-10 years lmao
and thats a good thing

>>106409762
You are now discovering why Trump shitting on Europe and tearing up old alliances will eventually be bad for you. American companies have been treated with an amazing degree of leeway by global institutions such as banks for the last few decades.

Now we're going to tax the shit out of your companies and if you don't like it we'll use linux and free software instead.

Should have played nice.

>>106409927
The whole point of this is that the EU and UK do NOT want to simply block things they dislike for their own country, but demand on it being blocked globally.

Note that the EU and UK are the only areas of the whole world that don't have their own platforms. Nobody else depends as much on foreigners as they do.

>>106409815
I want them to realize the viruses aren't real.

>>106409933
So you are saying the EU and UK are censoring themselves and building up mass surveillance police states because of MUH DRUMPF?
How rotten in your head do you have to be to believe this?

>>106408411
he stole so much asscrack from her

>>106408265 (OP)
>america invented it
What retarded legal argument is that?

Can I sue America into taxing German cars less by arguing cars are a German invention too?
What law is that nonsense based on?

>>106409933
God you're a retard, the EU was created to undermine the US economy. Unfortunately for them, even combined, they're barely a statistical blip in front of America's economic power.

Now go back to /r/eddit like a good little troon and try not to shoot up any churches.

>>106408285
They're doing the legal equivalent of 'MURRICA FUCK YEAH so Trump gets involved and tells UK to drop the fines against 4chan or risk 999 % tariffs.

>>106409945
That is not the argument made, though.
Learn how to read, shitskin.

>>106408265 (OP)
>4chan
>served via HTTP
>invented by a British guy in Switzerland
???

>>106408571
It's a US business operating out of the US but they're also serving UK customers. When they do that they have to operate within the UK laws when it comes to the UK customers. This has been a globally accepted thing for decades.

>>106409963
The US has jurisdiction over Ofcom because the US says they do.
>but that's not fair
Deal with it.

>>106409933
>Now
Euroids have been leaching from US tech companies for decades already. Now with one threat of tarrifs from TRUMP, the meak women running the EU will bend the knee to the US and pay *us* for the right to buy our technology.

>>106409963
The US has jurisdiction over Ofcom because the Europeans are little cuckold vassal states.

>>106409974
>US says they do
They don't.

>>106409981
There are American nuclear bombs stationed inside the UK and inside Germany.
So yes, they do.

>>106409972
>someone living in britain can call your phone number therefore you are subject to british law
fuck off with your gay retard logic

don't like an american website? blacklist it

>>106409974
>US says they do
They Didn't.

>>106408343
>*Even though the sites operate entirely within the US
That's not true though for 4chan.
They serve the site to the UK and serve ads to UK users and sell 4chan passes to UK users.
If you do business in the UK you have to play by their rules or stop doing business there.

>>106409988
>your company isn't entirely US operated, because i could call you by telephone from a foreign country

>>106408285
this and they sue them for £20k (with daily fines equivalent to the amount they imposed on them) + reputational damages

>>106409988
>or stop doing business there
And that is what everybody says:
If the UK doesn't like it, block it in the UK. It is up to them to do that. The UK doesn't have jurisdiction over others, so they can't demand it to be censored globally.

>>106409983
>someone living in britain can call your phone number therefore you are subject to british law
I want to argue with this but I can't think of a counterargument so I concede.

>>106408265 (OP)
You did the right thing not complying with the UK, but claiming the internet "belongs" to America is an incredibly stupid move and WILL backfire.

>>106409983
No you retard. If you do business in the UK, or any other country, you have to comply with their laws. When it comes to the internet it doesn't matter where your servers technically are. If you're serving UK customers you have to comply with UK laws. Same with the US, and every single other country. Before online gambling was legal in the US you couldn't just set up a gambling site with all the infrastructure out of the US and serve US customers. Or well you could and people did it but it's still illegal according to US law and got you in trouble in the US.

UK can issue fines and arrest warrants to 4chan owners. And the moment they step into a country that will extradite to the UK they'll be taken into custody and sent to UK.

>rivals team up to take down the big common enemy
kino............

friendly reminder that americans literally fought a war to break free from the british forcing their laws on americans
courts are going to be extremely hostile to the british literally trying to pull the same stunt again

>>106410002
>If the UK doesn't like it, block it in the UK.
Which is what they'll do if they keep notr complying.

Do you think it would be better if the UK immediately blocked everything without giving sites any chance to comply with their rules first?

>>106408265 (OP)
>pay lawyers to argue america is based
advanced retardation

Kill all Europoors.

>>106410019
>When it comes to the internet it doesn't matter where your servers technically are
is that one of your international laws, sovereign citizen? call interpol and cry about it

>>106408265 (OP)
American FREEDOM
American technology
American innovation
American website
American internet
American computer
American browser
American operating system
American servers
American global internet backbone

Euroniggers get the nuke

>>106408265 (OP)
Nice, but when will hiroshimoot address the pedo spamming issue ?

>>106410030
>is that one of your international laws
rekt

>>106409933
You fags aren't even a threat to China anymore and you're over there talking shit? Man get the fuck out of here.
PS: pay denbts for our military protection, or we'll let China, Russia, and the Middle East pick your bones. Whatever's left of them.

>>106410026
>which is what they will do
They won't.
Because that is not what they want. All those European censorship laws have the goal to censor globally.
As soon as you tell them that they should just block it themselves, or even OFFER it to them that you can block their country if they want to, they back out and run away.

t. run a website that got spamed with European censorship requests. Every single one of those vanished when i offered
>since i don't operate in your country and don't care about your people, i can block your country if you prefer that
I never got a single answer back when i did that.

>>106410030
Go on, set up an internet business outside of the US that serves content that is illegal in the US to US customers. See how long you get to operate once you're the size of 4chan. I fucking dare you.

Bad news, everyone. This thread violates South Sudanese law. You're all getting extradited.

Obviously US people don't need to follow UK rules, but I don't even see why I should have to follow the rules. They are fucking insane authoritarianism. Just because I was born there I have to be cucked out of the internet by some old blokes who don't even understand it.
Is there a name for this position?

>>106410046
the us has global jurisdiction because it's the us
the uk has uk jurisdiction and the rest of the world is free to laugh at them
stay mad, europoor

>>106410045
>They won't.
UK has blocked dozens of websites already
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_the_United_Kingdom?useskin=vector

>>106410025
I doubt modern burger courts would give a shit
every couple of months they A-OK constitutional infringements

>what do you mean that the United States can force other countries to comply with their demands while ignoring the demands of other countries?
>THAT'S NOT FAIR

>Null is involved
dead on arrival
all of that nigger's lawsuits ended in an embarrassing defeat for him

>>106410051
>Is there a name for this position?
They're waiting for the pillow.

>>106410051
You probably voted for the politicians that enacted the law. Vote better.

>>106410058
Those are pirating websites or censorship against foreign media.
Of course Europoors are going to block RT and any media on the world that isn't part of the "Ghost of Kyiv just shot down 100 Russian planes and Leopards are storming Crimea!" delusion.

I can tell you how it goes for any other case:
>Hello, i am from the German BUNDESPOLIZEI and you host evil wrongthink, delete it IMMEDIATELY and give us all informations of the users posting that!
>WE DON'T CARE, our laws are global because of XYZ, shut it down!
>[no reply]

>>106410045
>t. run a website that got spamed with European censorship requests. Every single one of those vanished when i offered
>>since i don't operate in your country and don't care about your people, i can block your country if you prefer that
What country are you running in that you can escape censorship? Murica?

>>106408367
That pic is the most british thing i read this decade.

>>106410068
They all support this kind of thing

>>106410080
Hosting in murica, with self-hosted email that spoofs X-Originating-IP to a Russian IP, and i roleplay as Russian for legal requests.

>>106408351
4chan jannys have a side business where they sell the IPs of anons for people to laugh at :(

ngl if I got an email from the UK demanding I censor my personal website according to their laws, I'd just set up a bot to spam the reply address with tranny porn for the next 15 years

they don't seem to understand how to block addresses over there, so...

>>106410097
Based

>>106410097
why do you have so much tranny porn?

>>106410103
he's a /g/tard

>>106410103
I'm something of an internet preservationist

>>106410116
Russia bans swastikas too

>>106410123
damn, so that's why the ukraine is resisting so hard

>>106408265 (OP)
>Plaintiffs
A who's who of the absolute worst of the internet

My sides...

>>106410116
Do germoids really waste time emailing random websites while muslims kill them in their own country
Also that is based

>>106410123
Never had an issue with Russian authorities whatsoever.

>4chan ignores ofcom
>uk issues fines
>4chan has no assets in the uk
>uk has nothing to seize and no way to enforce the fines
vs
>ofcom ignores the summons
>a default settlement is issued
>ofcom is officially a uk government agency
>uk has significant assets in america that can be seized

it's lose/lose for the uk to pursue this, they'll probably just drop the issue and hope the lawsuit is dropped

>>106410097
Is there any bot that automatically scrapes webms from tranny threads on >>>/gif/ to send them via SMTP to given addresses?
Asking for a friend.

>>106408265 (OP)
based. not even american.

>>106410065
You jest, but that's literally how it works. America is the biggest economic and military power on the planet and it's not even close. Just the risk that America might decide to stop supplying your nation with weapons is enough to get them to bend the knee.

>>106410179
Didn't stop Google and Facebook from paying massives fines to EU.
No one's going to start a war over a basket weaving website owned by a non-American.

Euros and Bongs 100% deserve to be humiliated for not developing their own tech industry and riding off America's work while acting smug and superior.
>oh no I don't like what Google and Apple are doing with their phone ecosystem
>let's just fine them a bazillion dollars even though there is literally no European competitors since they approved selling off Nokia to MS then later chinks.

Euro websites are still running off Google. MS and AWS infrastructure with cloudflare frontends with some "oh yeah we promise not to let your data outside Europe and double pinkie promise not to let american glowies spy on everything you're doing haha you dumb cucks"
If you can't even host your own websites what hope have you got? Literally every news story coming out of Europe nowadays is "Europe must wake up" yet they continue to do nothing.

>>106410192
Google and Facebook literally have physical infrastructure built in those nations and employ citizens of those nations in those nations. Completely different scenario, dumdum.

>>106410058
That's a surprisingly small list. Here in France, they have blocked so much stuff that I don't think there is a full, publicly available list. For now, most blocks are DNS level blocks so they are easy to bypass, but they are rolling out IP blocking. At least, there is no DPI for now, but we are getting there.

>does the for-profit company pay you taxes
if the answer is no, then you do not have jurisdiction over them

>>106410201
>If you can't even host your own websites what hope have you got? Literally every news story coming out of Europe nowadays is "Europe must wake up" yet they continue to do nothing.
It's the butthurt belter mindset, that infested all of Europe after they got allowed to settle in every single Western European country in 2004.
>produce nothing
>invent nothing
>live of gibs
>think that I AM A CONSOOOOMER is some strong position to be in
>think that you have a god given right to gibs
Developing our own stuff is never even a consideration. When they talk about EVROPEAN ALTERNATIVES, they mean foreign companies renting a datacenter in Europe, they don't mean actual European run services.

>>106410236
>produce nothing
The EU exports more goods than the US does.

Feels like the US invents and leads the way not only technologically but culturally while the EU complains and tries to block everything before eventually folding and adapting. Essentially freedom vs communism

>>106410253
what are those "goods"?

>>106408265 (OP)
Seems like a shitpost to me.
That being said I think a debate over whether a site should be subject to laws in other countries by default of it being accessable to those country is a good debate to have. Personally I think the onus should be on the country itself rather than the site, but that's just me.

>>106410253
The EU only exists since 1993 (Maastricht Treaty).
And in its current form it only exists since 2009 (Lisbon Treaty).

Ever since the EU exists, Europe is on a downwards spiral. In the 80s, Western Europe accounted for a third of the global economy. The much much larger EU nowadays, barely manages 15%.
Basically, the EU turned Europe into some deindustrialized shitskin hellhole that leeches off others. And the main reason for this was the horrid decision to add butthurt belters in 2004.

>>106408265 (OP)
The web was invented in Europe.

>>106410263
You say that because you're American. There is lots of innovation in Europe. All the chips you use were made using ASML machines for example. The US makes software, SaaS, and design stuff but not much else. And most of the work in the US is done by Chinese and Indians workers.

>>106410201
>>106410236
You can host things on Hetzner, which is a Germany company, using open source software. Europeans should certainly do that. The US doesn't produce anything though. All the chips are made by Asian companies using European machines (ASML) and all the tech workers in the US are Chinese and Indian.

>>106410318
>The US makes software, SaaS, and design stuff but not much else.
And btw, all of this will be done by AI. The US is all services, unlike Europe and Asia, so the US will be more negatively affected by AI than any other country.

>>106410318
>You can host things on Hetzner, which is a Germany company, using open source software
Hetzner MitM you with no notice.
They put a spy box in between that itself requests a LetsEncrypt certificate. And when you notice it and ask them about it, they are under a gag order.

>>106410025
Nah it was richfags in NA wanting more power as usual
Americans are lucky they got ancient English rights in the constitution out of it

>>106410340
>unlike Europe
The country with the largest service sector in percentage of its GDP is France.

>>106408285
try reading next time

Ofcom is a statutory corporation, and they do business in the USA (lobbying), so you can sue them and seize assets of them. Meanwhile the UK has absolutely no way to seize anything 4chan related.

4chan can't lose, the UK can lose.

>>106410360
American fake news.

>>106410366
Americans always love to act superior but the fact is that the US does not manufacture anything except for Boeing airplanes.

I agree that you shouldn't use AWS or Google Cloud. It's overpriced and overly complex (by design). Use your own servers and use open source tools. I don't hate Americans and I wish Americans well even though Americans hate everyone who isn't American, but you shouldn't trust Americans too much.

>>106410377
>American fake news.
No, it got done to a Russian jabber server (note: the Western friendly liberal puppets!) and Telegram.
Remember that Telegram was about to be hosted in Germany and become an European company?
Hetzner is also the absolute leader in DDoS attacks world wide, was the top of the chart for over a year. Then eventually German Drei-K-Tech-GmbH took the crown, after everybody blocked the Hetzner ASN.
Which is again a problem if you want to host there, because you are more likely to get blocked by anti-ddos measures whenever the German authorities launch another DDoS attack on something.

>>106410408
I don't know enough about this subject, but I wouldn't trust anything Cloudflare says. It's a big NSA project.

But I know that I have been using Hetzner for over 8 years now and it's been great.

>>106410408
>Which is again a problem if you want to host there, because you are more likely to get blocked by anti-ddos measures
That makes no sense. The clients (i.e. you and your browser) don't have anti-ddos measures, the hosts have.

>>106408373
what else do you want me to replace it with

>>106410415
Here you can read about how it's done:
https://notes.valdikss.org.ru/jabber.ru-mitm/
It is super retarded.
And those people only noticed because it were western-friendly Russians who feared to be censored by Moscow, just to discover that Germans are spying on them. How many people will host on Hetzner and never check for that ever? Did you ever check if the certificate you get on the client is actually the one from the server?
>>106410416
>The clients (i.e. you and your browser) don't have anti-ddos measures, the hosts have
It still cucks you. Maybe you want to run something that federates, or an email server, or need the server to fetch something for previews.
Hetzer is the most shady hosting provider on the whole world.

the entire world just needs to start taxing american digital goods at 50%

>.ru
Nah, I'm ok.

>>106408539
Much like how the US harasses the rest of the world with its DMCA.

>>106410045
>>106410408
>be "German"
>try to censor the whole world and threaten websites based in other countries
>simultaneously be the largest source of DDoS globally

>>106410415
No it's not retard it's a Mossad project, Mathew Prince is a Jew and the NSA gets the sloppy seconds.

>>106410472
It's just kraut-on-kraut crimes

>>106410498
>tfw. three different German providers DDoDs each other all year round

>>106410511
They like to use VPS and European companies are the only ones that provide VPS except DO, which is also on that list, so it makes sense.

>>106409376
>Japanese animes
Made me laugh. Great post man.

>>106410524
I can rent a VPS anywhere in the world, even Nigeria if i wish to.

It's more an issue of how the provider deals with abuse reports. The smaller the provider is, the more likely they are to kick you off if a report comes in.
Or if said provider is running DDoS attacks for their government. Since Hetzer does MitM for the German government, why wouldn't they be used to run attacks for them as well?
Or should we believe that the government, that is known world wide for its internet censorship approach, is super innocent and would never do that?

>>106408285
>When you offer a good or service here you need to follow our laws regarding goods and services
>Uhm but I don't live there?
This board shouldn't be allowed to have any legal discussion

>>106409988
Supposed they try to block all ranges in the UK. Is that even enough to stop it, assuming it's completely effective? What about people from there accessing it through other methods, is there some minimal effort to prevent it all that's required? I could see some law saying it's not enough, that every person that visits the site has to have an id checked to make sure no citizen of that country can bypass it through a vpn or someone being physically in some other part of the world. If you accept that's possible and something to care about, then what if some other country does the same, and it's not physically possible to comply with both?

>>106408265 (OP)
What a retarded motion, it will fail.

>>106410637
The internet is not a "place". Just because the site is accesible by the internet from the UK doesn't mean it's operating in the UK. Same way a store in Mexico is accesible by road from the USA but doesn't operate there nor does it have to follow its regulations. There's two ways of seeing this:
-A The site operates where the servers are located, in which case UK has no say in the matter
-B We consider the internet/the cloud as its own place aside from all the countries and sites are not considered to operate anywhere. In which case the UK has no say in the matter.
We should go with B IMO but even with A UK's spergout doesn't make any sense

>>106408430
Because they know they are inept at enforcing such a block and it's just an empty threat, they have been trying to block piracy sites for 25+ years and keep failing.

>>106410318
>You say that because you're American.
No but because most of the products i use and enjoy are from america while those trying to stop it comes from the eu.

kiwifarms is evil so I hope 4chan and kiwifarms fail.
I generally like 4chan but I oppose evil. simple as. don't care what happens afterwards.

>>106410701
At least the lawyers are doing it for free.

>>106410757
How? It's mostly slop.

>>106410767
This.

>>106410767
kys

>>106409759
kys ubisaar

>>106410637
-C The site is accessible in the UK -- > the site operates in the UK
simple as

>>106410794
Was this deleted? Can't find the source.

>>106408411
I can't even tell if this is the edited version at this point

>>106410714
>>106410852

>>106408285
>They should've stuck to that "the bongs can't fine us because we don't operate a company there" case since that one was plausible.
Yeah, that's an absolute open and shut case so not sure why they didn't suck too it. This troll proposition is funny but I'm not sure if the courts will approve of ideological posturing rather than just the facts. That said, I still can't see how the bong government will achieve anything other than humiliation from this.

>>106408265 (OP)
>g7
the UK is part of that, retards

>>106410852
>>106410888
If I'm outside your country and don't want your citizens to interact with me you should deal with the road provider which actually is a UK based company. So either they fine the ISP/force them to ban the site or shut up but a site isn't operating in a place just by being accesible from there.

>>106408265 (OP)
>spergfarms
This is an egregiously shitty idea, the spergfarms containment forum will be used as arguments in oofcom's favor...

>>106410055
us doesn't even have us jurisdiction, that's israel
>>106410890
you're missing the bigger picture. I actually approve of the legal teams strategy since I'm on their side. They know what game to play in a country with crumbling rule of law. The head of the executive branch (president) has shown himself willing and able to interfere with the judiciary, so the ultranationalist opener isn't really there to convince the courts. It's there to appeal to the dictator next, just in case the courts don't rule in their favor. They did the same thing when the Yookay first tried extorting fines out of them: Say some retarded shit about "European bureaucrats" or whatever. But anyways I'm rooting for them.

>>106410045
If you really want to harm them, threaten to auto-redirect visitors to the most anti-Zionist right-wing group in the repective country.
Redirect britbongs to https://www.patrioticalternative.org.uk/ (Sam Melia's group) and Krautfags to https://der-dritte-weg.info/

>>106408265 (OP)
teaming up with kiwifarms is a bad move, what they do is indefensible and harms 4chan's reputation by association

>>106410151
>uk issues global arrest warrant and extradition request to 4chan owner's country
>even if their home country doesn't extradite to the UK they can now never set foot in the UK or any country that extradites to the UK without getting arrested on the spot
It works as long as you're willing to live in third world shitholes for the rest of your life.

I wouldn't be surprised if ofcom know this legislation is retarded and are following it to the letter to hasten its failure. MPs are retarded (particularly Labour) and didn't think this through. I doubt ofcom staff are delusional enough to think they have authority over non-US companies but they don't have any say in the laws they're supposed to enforce.

>>106411000
You can not get extradited for something that isn't illegal in the country you reside in.

>>106410954
Technically not, from a entirely legal perspective, or Kiwi farms would already be in legal trouble in the US.
But it's certainly not a good look to have them as a co-sign on the complaint, and it will certainly be dragged through the mud by any media covering it.

>>106409953
>the EU was created to undermine the US economy
that's not true at all, the EU was created to flood Europe with Africans and Asians, as per the goals stated in writing by EU founder Richard Eijiro von Coudenhove-Kalergi

>>106408285
Anon, Trump is in office. There's no scenario where he acknowledges that the internet isn't the sole property of the United States of America.

The mad lads may have made the most ingenious move possible.

>>106411019
Oh they are, and they enjoy it.
Like this is from 2023. It reads like a troon that enforces a Code of Conduct and demands statements and apologies.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/illegal-and-harmful-content/bitchute-03-10-2023

>>106411019
This isn't their first rodeo, they seem to have a long running competition for who can come up with the most retarded ideas.

>>106411041
this. just like in any middle eastern shithole you can't rely on "due process". you need to brown-nose the leader.

>>106409775
This. Anyone opposing it is just seething that they'll never get to try it.
>>106409933
Google: "U.S. military bases in YOURCOUNTRYNAME"

>>106410019
Laws have to be enforcible. You don't have the power to force the U.S.A. to comply with your demands, but the U.S.A. can force you to comply with theirs. It's really that simple.

>>106411027
Even so, they'd never be able to travel anywhere or through any country that does extradite to the UK. So being stuck where you are now and whatever third world shitholes that you can get to without stepping on hostile soil.

>>106408367
These are the same people who wanted to ban Donald Duck because he's not wearing any any pants.
This time it's bit more serious.

>>106411139
you meant to say Israel

To add: this is a harassment lawsuit. It works both ways.

>>106410978
>you're missing the bigger picture. I actually approve of the legal teams strategy since I'm on their side. They know what game to play in a country with crumbling rule of law. The head of the executive branch (president) has shown himself willing and able to interfere with the judiciary, so the ultranationalist opener isn't really there to convince the courts. It's there to appeal to the dictator next, just in case the courts don't rule in their favor. They did the same thing when the Yookay first tried extorting fines out of them: Say some retarded shit about "European bureaucrats" or whatever. But anyways I'm rooting for them.
There is no bigger picture. The uk is insignificant and unimporant, that's why they'll ignore everything the pooK is trying to do and nothing else will happen.

>>106411000
See >>106411123

>>106410370
holy kek, based honestly

>>106411154
The U.S.A. uses Israel to launder tax money that gets sent back to them through AIPAC donations because otherwise the average normie would realize they're just taking our tax money and keeping it for themselves, but when it gets washed through a foreign nation they aren't able to follow the trail.

If this ever becomes infeasible or a better alternative rears it's head they'll drop Israel without hesitation.

>>106411192
Anon pay attention, this thread is about 4chan trying to do something.

>>106408265 (OP)
>LOLCOW and KIWIFARMS as plaintiffs
based

>>106411000
The legal action from ofcom is against the LLC, not individuals.

>>106411071
Who does?

>>106411194
Maybe you should see that post and the one it responds to here >>106409775

It doesn't matter where the US has bases or if the US doesn't extradite to the UK. A large portion of the rest of the world does. And gook moot is Japanese living in France so I'm not sure how the US not extraditing someone or having bases all over the world is even relevant here.

>>106411265
And who is responsible for the operation of the LLC? You guessed it, the leadership and the owner. You can't knowingly break a law and then hide behind the LLC expecting that you're not personally responsible.

>>106411289
It's also a good reason not to run any other businesses that have customers elsewhere while owning a site that may be targeted somewhere.

>>106411289
>You can't knowingly break a law and then hide behind the LLC expecting that you're not personally responsible.
While true in some cases, the prosecution would have to prove in court either active personal misconduct (Not by negligence) on behalf of any and all of the persons involved (which is outside the scope of the case as they are not named in the case to begin with) or piercing the corporate veil, making them liable by default to the debts and legal liabilities of the LLC.

>>106408265 (OP)
Extremely fucking based. EU and UK cucks need to be pushed back because they are quite literally ruining the internet.
I don't think teaming up trannyfarms is a great idea though.

NOIGEL

LOISENS AND ID NOW!!

OR YOU GET SLAMMED

>>106410788
>internet
>computers
>phones
>websites
>tech services
>entertainment
Almost all of it exclusively comes from the US.

>>106410860
It's very fake

>>106408539
I run a little site and they’ve been harassing us fucking nonstop since August 2024. They just send a bunch of official looking shit with a bunch of spooky seals and threaten to fine and imprison you. They expect you to spend like tens of hours filling out these stupid packets to assess your “risk” and a bunch of other shit. I’ve done it out of fear but I hope this lawsuit works so that I can start ignoring them. It’s really fucking time consuming. I’ve spent probably 100 hours on their stupid packets and weird changes like “when someone makes a complaint, you must send email updates at X interval and have an unsubscribe button for the email updates”. And they’re still fucking harassing me as recently as a few days ago for “more information”. They even dug around to find out where I live so that they can show my home address in the emails to threaten me. The only other entity that’s ever done that to us was Meta.

>>106411221
They can print money, you think they are concerned with laundry?

>>106409759
Surprise, I want the government to prevent plastics in my food, not for them to require me to give my ID to buy food. Complicated huh?

>>106408265 (OP)
>4chan is going to make 1984 a real thing, by actively encouraging the splinternet.
I don't at all see how this will go wrong.

>>106410777
>At least the lawyers are doing it for free.

>>106412624
>no more eurocucks, britbongs or ausfags shitting up the site
Sounds based to me, let them rot in their own shitholes

>>106408990
>that history lesson in the Parties section that explains how Delaware and West Virginia are states in the USA and not, in fact, part of the British crown territories

>>106409448
Russia isn't either but when it had more INTERPOL cooperation it abused it to go after people critical of their government living abroad in the EU, like issuing red notices to have them sent back to Russia or get their assets that were in the EU.

>>106408335
needs moar jump cuts

>>106408265 (OP)
Why would you want the US as the sole internet controller when multiple states have been trying to destroy it already in a way similar to the UK?

>>106408265 (OP)
after reading the thread, I'm now wondering: why even respond? why give them arguments to call attention from journalists or whatever, or even start shit? this is fucking retarded.

>>106412976
uhhh because uhhhh.... WOOOOOOH YEAAAAAH MURICA ORANGE DADDY WILL SET THINGS RIGHT WE DONT CENSOR ANYTHING HERE. JUST ASK JOSH, FAMOUS NOT-CENSORER-OF-THINGS-HE-DISLIKES

>>106412977
Donation of 4chan Gold Accounts

>>106412977
It’s pretty simple: while it’s obvious that ofcom has no legal rights to demand an American company do anything, a court has not actually said as much so this is basically forcing them to make a precedent that bongniggers have to fuck off and they can cope about it on cuck island if they don’t like that

>>106409762
the us economy doesn't exist anymore
we can't get equipment we need because shit no longer can be shipped
im sitting here with my thumb up my ass twiddling my dick while my maga boss paces a hole in the flloor because he knows we're probably ruined

>>106413070
>it’s obvious that ofcom has no legal rights to demand an American company do anything
>a court has not actually said as much
yeah, and if a court says something, 4chan will have to pay lawyers for the whole thing. meanwhile, they could have just ignored everything and paid exactly $0 to lawyers and to ofcom. it's absolutely retarded.

>>106413039
I hope gookmoot start charging money to post on 4chan so I can leave this shithole of a forum.

>>106408265 (OP)
cant blame em
its in response to the uk saying the internet is theirs

what's wrong with kiwifarms? qrd?

>>106413184
>I hope gookmoot start charging money to post on 4chan so I can leave this shithole of a forum.
just get banned from time to time
it helps with the balance 4chan / everything else in your life

>>106409798
It's not about preventing access for adults; it's about shilling ID services that harvest your data before allowing you to visit the sites. 4chan is in trouble because it hasn't implemented any of those ID services. The services are profitable for the major pornography companies, who, coincidentally, actually lobbied FOR the Online Safety Act to be passed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAd-OOrdyMw

>>106409845
They can't fine 4chan unless one of the 4chan bosses (so, Hiro, effectively) comes to the UK. If Hiro never comes to the UK, he'll be fine. Ofcom are betting that the stress and hardship of knowing he could be arrested if he comes here will be enough to make him pay the fine.

>>106413257
They’re the primary reason chrischan got egged on into becoming what he is. That’s all you really need to know
>>106413184
The point is >>106409775. Hiroshimoot lives in a jurisdiction that MIGHT extradite him to bongland, so it’s better to get it on record officially that Ofcom cannot legally do ANYTHING to somebody who’s not a British subject living outside of the UK doing a thing that’s not illegal where the website is operating from

>>106413398
>They’re the primary reason chrischan got egged on into becoming what he is. That’s all you really need to know
I went to their forum and it is filled holier-than-thou type people and all of the comments have updoots with no counter arguments.

>>106408990
case has been assigned to a non-White Democrat judge from New York. It's over.

>>106411032
>Technically not, from a entirely legal perspective, or Kiwi farms would already be in legal trouble in the US.
The reason KF isn't in legal trouble is because the police have better things to deal with and tend to act slowly.
The FBI took a long time to act against breachforums, which was an overt cybercrime forum.

why is 4chan partnering up with k*wifarms for this shit

>>106413549
"non white" - no less than your average american
"democrat judge" - democrats and republicans have roughly equal support for both controlling the internet and ignoring people's constitutional rights. wingcucks will then end up defending this because "their side" did it so it must be good. Don't be a wingcuck anon.

>>106410767
>>106410823
>>106413257
>>106410979
Interesting facts about KF's owner:
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/514164719/

>>106413855
and what are their respective attitudes to 4chan/kiwifarms?
do your really think that wont matter?

>>106413873
4chan - it says mean things about blacks (nevermind that it also has people that oppose racism) it must be ebil! it has pornography, it must be ebil! It says mean things about le chosen people, it must be ebil! It's le scary hackers, it must be ebil!
Your average fox news watching republican sees 4chan as a dangerous website. They think it must therefore be left wing, because all evil things are left wing.
KF is a doxxing website first and foremost, hence republicans think it's scary too. The fact that they preferentially dox trannies does not feature in such people's minds.

>>106410979
This is sickening. White people loving their nation is a dangerous threat of to deomcracy and harkens back to the days of colonialism and slavery.

>>106413941
>White people loving their nation
kek, white trash has never done anything for their nation.

>>106411073
>Due process is when millions of illegal immigrants come to your country and have children that outvote and replace you

>>106413974
>replace you
Then stop being easily replaceable.

>>106413966
Brown people actively make every nation they live in worse and uglier.

>>106413990
>brown people are like whites
I agree.

>>106413989
There are already billions more ugly brown "people" than white people. Once they come in they've replaced us. Biden and Onigger let them in to replace us so I don't give a fuck about due proccess. I hope Trump declares martial law and kills evey useless beaner and muslim living here.

>>106413998
Nope, the entire rest of the animal kingdom is good. It's just browns that need to go.

>>106410076
>Of course Europoors are going to block RT and any media on the world that isn't part of the "Ghost of Kyiv just shot down 100 Russian planes and Leopards are storming Crimea!" delusion.
TASS isn't blocked you absolute clown

>>106414059
>that webm
I don't believe it ..but I believe it

>>106410979
That’s a funny escalation tactic
>Alright we’ll just redirect your civies to the most anti-establishment (but legal) site we can find. Have fun.

>>106414030
So much for the "superior" race :D

>>106413870
the "proof" that it's him is extremely weak

>>106408990
Please tell me that we have a jew lawyer?

>>106410318
All ASML did was buy a US company that did all the work in the early 2000s. They've just been coasting off that work done by Americans and will soon be replaced by China.

>>106414156
>the "proof" that it's him is extremely weak
Its pretty strong proof:

Proof Null used the username Iban: https://archive.md/Z3ebd#post-1734963

Thread has his name:
https://forum.blockland.us/index.php?topic=182825

He says his name here:
https://forum.blockland.us/index.php?topic=37174.msg570455#msg570455

>>106414156
Proof that Iban is Null? That was never a secret.

Even Null talks about his blockland posts in one of the earliest MATI streams.

>>106414218
the quotes are literally made up

>>106414257
What quotes are made up?

>>106414257
The Blockland forum is still online, you can go and check it out for yourself.
They're all real and Null never denied any of it.

>>106414306
>>106414270
So, what's wrong with what he did?

>>106414331
You don't consider it sus when a 19 year old invites a 13 year old girl he barely knows to a road trip?

>>106410979
>teaming up with kiwi farms is a bad move, what they do is indefensible and harms 4chan's reputation by association
This is true, but I dont know if the legality of Kiw ifarms is relevant to the lawsuit.

I thought it was about whether the UK can interfere in the USA

>>106414344
Keep in mind this 19 year old also says he jacks off to bestiality, implied he jacked it to CP, and he would threaten to rape people.

>>106414363
based?

>>106410979
>teaming up with kiwifarms is a bad move, what they do is indefensible and harms 4chan's reputation by association
Oh yeah the great 4chan reputation.

But going along with Null's lawsuit is retarded since Null keeps losing all his lawsuits.
He even lost a lawsuit to Greer. The guy who became a lolcow for his ridiculous lawsuits that he keeps losing.

>>106414351
The only thing in the entire suit I’d say can be reasonably argued against is
>Kiwi Farms, while controversial, operates fully in compliance with the laws of the United States and West Virginia
but even if it’s false, that’s an internal problem for US and WV law enforcement to figure out and it still doesn’t give the bongs an excuse to butt in and try to police their problems here

>>106410979
>https://der-dritte-weg.info/
xD

>>106408265 (OP)
I've never read so many delusions written in a single piece of paper.

>>106408473
NTA but have you looked outside the last 10 years?