Thread 106437504

Linux, the most locked down OS ever.
iChads just can't stop winning.

iOS has no official sideloading outside of the EU.

popular platforms almost always cave over code signing
>1 not required
>required
>needs obscure config to allow
>goto 1

>>106437620
>Sameer Saarmat
>Smear samat all over the fone saar
you cannot be serious kek, you actually believe this guy? Are Android users this gullible?

android users are ultimate cucks
iphones can keep using apps that were banned from the store
but android have to ask their daddy google for permission to open an app every single time. they can also be blocked from opening apps in the future or if the google servers break

>>106437504 (OP)
I run LineageOS without gapps. not gonna affect me

>>106437620
>>106437649
> street shitting sex offender
>guy in charge of Android is the most pedo looking jeet ever
Oof. That’s a bit of an own goal.

>>106437680
>Oof. That’s a bit of an own goal.

>>106437687
Why is Samaar Samat, President of the Android ecosystem and responsible for “everything Android” wearing an Apple shirt and a face mask in your image?

>>106437504 (OP)
revanced users on suicide watch

>>106437709
Easy to bypass with root anyway.

>>106437504 (OP)
LINUXSAAARRS

>>106437504 (OP)
I will never install google services on my phone. google street shitters tongue my anus.

>>106437504 (OP)
Linux isn't an OS

>>106437504 (OP)
Why even fucking bother owning an Android then.
I just... I'm sorry but its a very common feeling (as much as I disagree) amongst even the die-hard android nerds that Apple still makes nice phones.
Why take away the only thing you had going for you, google?
I just. I can't even pretend to be some fucked up cooler/holier than thou anonymous 4chan edgelord. I just straight-up cannot comprehend Google's logic here.
Do they actually think people prefer Android's user experience? Despite the fact that so many custom ROMs and homescreen replacements exist?
If your shit was actually good then those ROMs and homescreen replacements and gapp alternatives WOULDN'T FUCKING EXIST GOOGLE

YOU FUCKERS -CANNOT- BE THIS RETARDED.

>>106438391
because they can and what are you going to do faggot? use apple? you'll take it like a good boy because you have no choice
going at this rate nobody gonna use us software in the future

>>106437504 (OP)
got the linux kernel I think but not much more.
you can also fork AOSP and drive development yourself, it's literally free

>>106437504 (OP)
Fuck this shit. I might as well buy an iPhone.
*opens applel.com*
HOLY SHIT
Every fucking phone has no headphone jack and either a giganitc fucking notch or hole punch.
Fuck it, I'm done with phones.

>>106437620
>account banned
>all your apps stop being installable
>this also stops apk mods like revanced dead in their tracks
>retarded consumerist goycattle see no problem with this
hang yourself

>>106439133
worse than that. the signing requirements demand money. this literally strangles the ability of foss to exist, because no one who cares about consumer rights, personal autonomy, and foss is gonna fork out $25 and submit their dox and signing keys to goygle

>>106438686
>Fuck it, I'm done with phones.
this. I see no reason to use a phone. you can have one in a drawer for banking shit and that's it

>>106439149
Now to be fair, there is a second part to this whole thing that is still coming, and that's the "version" for "student and hobbyist developers".
But there is zero information at all on that, except that it is a "separate type of Android Developer Console account".
What sort of requirements and limitations are completely unknown at this point.

>>106439162
you'd need one for apps that rely on goygle services and one for the rest
except this also affects devs of non-goygle approved apps because now 98% of the market is closed off to them, rendering it a moot point to develop said apps. the truth is that when faced with a choice, the goyim will always default to their IM/goyflix/banking shit over stuff like adblocking

>>106439179
doesn't change the fact that anything unsigned will stop working period. furthermore, apps outside the goygle play store can get banned. that fact alone is insane since it forces every single app on earth to comply with goygle's policies and adhere to its ToS. it will also allow governments around the world to stop apps from running on people's phones, and devs will be exposed to lawsuits and criminal liability should some lawsuit-happy corpo seek to sue them

>>106439187
phone use need is pretty much fake, you don't NEED it. apart from some particular use-cases you don't really NEED to use a phone. you just want to almost all times. as in outside work and shit. but for work you are on company phone you do/have no personal shit on it.

>>106439213
Yes.

>>106437504 (OP)
>Linux = Android
A is B, but B is not A. Learn the set.

>>106439258
I always mention it has the linux kernel but it's not linux. which is true
android wouldn't be android without the linux kernel. that is what it allowed android be what it is today.
at the same time android is not linux, cannot really put an equal sign between the two, they are not the same thing.
it's like your father isn't really your father, the plumber is your real father, your mom is just a whore

>>106439274
Let me rewrite it, since you're retarded.
>Android is Linux, but Linux isn't Android.
An equal statement
>OP is gay, but gay isn't OP
Learn the set.

>>106437504 (OP)
That's Android. Linux is not an OS. It's either a kernel or a family of OS, but not a specific OS.

Is this google doing a jewish thing of "We are still following the law of allowing sideloading, we are just also being pedantic about it where we are limited what can be side loaded through our official channels :)"?

>>106439423
This is a loonix phone you moron:
https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/PinePhone_Software_Releases

>>106439427
see >>106439303
>>106439320
Also, more technically correct since Linux is a kernel that Android uses.

>>106439427
I get your point but you're not really adding anything. If you're referring to the family of OS based on Linux, then yes, Android is Linux. If you're referring to the kernel, Android uses Linux. However saying it's the "most locked down OS" is wrong because Linux is not an OS in any definition. Android, Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, Arch Linux, NiOS, those are OS. Linux is not an OS.

Also for bragging or trashing rights by Linux users, I don't see the point, because Android doesn't contribute to much other than the kernel in Linux distributions. They're a different walled garden.

>>106437620
And how does knowing the identity of the developer help in knowing if software is malicious or not? This is just nonsense with ulterior motives. It will absolutely limit choice and locks it down to Google services.

Overplaying their hands. A new platform will emerge

>>106437680
>an own goal.
is this some kind of ESL or third world meme?

>>106437504 (OP)
The headline is wrong, Google Play Services is going to stop blocking the sideloading of apps. AOSP (Android) is not. If you do not run Google Play as a root service on your device (which you should not) Google, the company, can't do shit.

>>106440543
>originated in England in the 19th Century
So the complete opposite of the third world or ESL.

>>106440604
>England
ah, so third world

>>106440618
>Butthurt Andian copes and seethes
You and your kind are the reason America is le 53% faec and dropping like a stone.

>>106440644
no lol
jeets are a part of what makes modern England third world

>>106440655
>Our millions of H1Bs blessed by Elon and Trump are the good kind Saar

>>106440668
no they aren't, nigger

>>106440676
>nigger
I’m glad you mentioned the millions of home grown Black people that turned Chicago into Chicongo and the South into chlorinated chicken land, slurping up all the Section 8 housing and turning your towns into drug slums, while stealing exactly $999 of stuff because you decriminalized theft under $1000

>>106439630
As always, the best choice is to just flash lineageos and magisk and freeze Google Services Framework, Play Services and Play Store until you need them.

I already do to install a certain russian malware.

>>106440736
>I’m glad
glad I could help

>sideloading
It's called installing. Stop taking over their framing.

>>106441380
well, its to highlight the dystopia apple managed to create

>>106441380
they won; deal w/ it. if apple and google wanted to charge an extra $100 for every app sideloaded, everyone would be ok with it. we're all mindless cattle completely helpless against them.

>>106441596
it's not just the $100 they charge. they're also free to revoke signatures anytime. this whole scheme turns phones and tablets into locked down consoles and completely prevents entires categories of software the vendors don't like from running (e.g. adblocking, firewalls, modding)

>>106437504 (OP)
It's not just phones. I'm tired of companies telling how I can and can't use something I bought.
Not enough CEOs have gotten shot.

>>106437504 (OP)
>Google says
Checking IDs IRL doesn't create a permanent copy of your ID in some online database accessible by one or more companies.

This is why it's OK to for example show ID when you go to the pub but not when you are going to use anti-social media or Spotify.

Might as well switch to iShit now

>>106437504 (OP)
Literally the only defense I have ever heard that supported Android was the fact that you can install whatever you wanted
What's the fucking point now?

>>106438456
What?
I mean I have a linux (not android) tablet already so I'll just buy a fucking flip phone and fucking tether to it but yes most normal people will just buy an iphone instead lmao

>>106437729
EU says no nono

>>106443337
the eu can suck my balls

>>106443293
yeah, everything being locked down over there at least means that everything is well integrated. what does android offer? everything being locked down but still janky integration?

>>106437504 (OP)
>Linux is the most locked down OS ev-
Linux is not an OS

>>106443372
Being Anti-Android is being anti-India.
Fuck you racist pos
ios is white supremacist bullshit

>>106437504 (OP)
>iOS is now less restrictive than Android
maybe my next phone will be a stupid iPhone then desu
One of the reasons I switched Android was being able to use all the cool sideloaded shit like NewPipe, Termux, JP gacha games etc
And I can't use a rooted/Linux/whatever phone either since I need banking apps n shit

How do i get pure linux or BSD running on my phone?

>>106437618
Yes it does. And did. For years.

>>106443573
>>iOS is now less restrictive than Android
crapple still requires every dev to submit their apps and have them certified or they won't run, so this is more like goygle getting even with crapple

>>106443606
>sideload
I can't stand this artificial term. it's like calling cooking your meals at home "sidefooding" and then big restaurant coming round to confiscate everyone's appliances because "cooking at home carries a higher risk of food poisoning. you're way better off eating out for all your meals"

>>106443293
Yeah, kind of. How is this locked down Android going to be significantly different from an iPhone with alternative app stores in the EU? I never had an iPhone but it's starting to sound like Android is losing the advantages which made me pick it in the first place.

Didn't google just loose the court case against epic forcing them to allow 3rd party stores in their store?

>The Ninth Circuit upheld the lower court's decision for Epic in their decision on July 31, 2025, lifting the stay on the injunction with Google stating its intent to appeal to the Supreme Court. The court had originally given Google two weeks to comply with the injunction, but the court granted Google an additional week while the company began the process to file its appeal. Epic stated immediately after the decision of their intent to bring Fortnite and the Epic Games Store to Google Play in the U.S

>>106437659
I've used android for years and literally none of this has ever happened

>>106443860
I'm not sure exactly what that was about, I mean other app stores were available on Android for many years so I'm not sure exactly why Epic needed to sue in order to make their own, alongside a bunch of other alternatives that were there already.

>>106439383
No, this is google deciding they want more control. It's not malicious compliance, they were compliant before, they just want more power.

>>106443860
3rd party appstores are definitely allowed. devs just have to apply for the luxury of wearing a digital star of david or their apps won't run on goygle-blessed phones. if they're bad goyim their accounts get banned and their apps blacklisted
this is the future now

>>106437504 (OP)
Smartphones are an inherently bad technology that you're forced to use.
You should always buy the cheapest shit one available because you will only be using it for banking and nothing else.

>>106437504 (OP)
let me guess theyll just move the 'allow unknown apps' into developer options right?

>>106443903
>>106443890
If third party app stores are allowed, then this new policy shouldn't stand up to court and could easily be bypassed by using a 3rd party app store.

>>106440351
>A new platform will emerge
That or Pine64 will gradually get more popular in the coming years.

>>106443486
>Just say thank you and enjoy your chicken tikka malsala
Okay, lets just B& all Hindu-Dindu's from working in tech and keep all the chiefs then. They seem to be perfectly fine with racial cast systems back home after all.

>>106443957
Well 3rd party app stores can still technically exist while at the same time developers needing to prove their identity to Google. Like even if they need to do that, they can still publish their app separately or on another store, thus bypassing the need to give Google a cut of their sales and so on.

Of course this seems like an extremely obvious conflict of interest since alternative stores would not be independent and Google would still have the ability to deny access to whoever and whatever app they wish so if it went to court I'm not sure what would happen. One would hope that Google would not be permitted to do this but I'm not sure that's how it would work out. I mean we only need to look as far as video game consoles, those are fully locked down walled gardens with no sideloading and no alternative stores at all and yet they are perfectly legal.

>>106443890
>steer people towards apk build outside the store for cheaper microtransactions
>google has a meltdown, bans the app that same day
>epig files lawsuit
>google found to have been playing dirty and cutting special deals to netflix, spotify, and other companies by waivering fees in exchange for them staying on the play store
>also bribed game plublishers (actishitzard, ea, bandai namco, tencent, tpc, squeenix, supercell, ubishit, etc.) with hundreds of millions of dollars to get them to stay
>all so they could keep skimming 30% off every purchase
if you can't see what's wrong with that then you're fucking blind
either way both outcomes are bad for the consumer (either a draconian store that rules everything with an iron fist or fragmentation like with streaming services)

>>106444035
Nah that's obviously fucked, I just don't play video games on my phone so I had no idea what happened exactly.
>or fragmentation like with streaming services
I don't think this would be a major issue for something like stores. You don't need to buy everything from the same shop, the problem with streaming services is that they all run as subscription scams so when fragmentation happens then you need to pay more every month, continuously. With a store where you just buy once it wouldn't be a major problem.

>>106437504 (OP)
iphones still disallow you to running any sort of JIT execution, which means you can't run good emulators on it, and more importantly, you can't run other web browsers that are not safari.
Every browser in the iphone is a safari in disguise.

>>106443814
What would you call it otherwise? "Third party install" is all i can come up with. Just "Installing" makes most people think about the play store even though it has little to do with it.

>>106444033
I mean that all you need is a 3rd party app store that lets you add your own repos.

>>106444088
its coming back in a future release. there was an exploit using JiT so they had to disable it temporarily.

>>106444138
>that lets you add your own repos.
and those app developers will need a certificate from Google before their apps can be installed, in exchange for their ID and address. Or the apk will be refused.

>>106444086
>I don't think this would be a major issue for something like stores
yes it would. EVERYONE hates origin, uplay, epig, battle.net, etc. people just want to have everyone in 1 place
>10 storefronts running in the background, draining resources, your battery, and data
>they have every permission under the sun and do shady shit in the background
>spammed with offers and ads by 10 different storefronts
>what you have on 1 store doesn't carry over to the others
>you need to keep track of 10 like accounts
no one. NO ONE wants this. hell, I don't want appstores period

>>106444134
ability to install apks. that's what they're taking away. and the ability to run unapproved apps. once again, a feature that's extremely important since you don't want parasitic middlemen telling you what you can and can't do
by calling software installation a "side" feature, you're acknokwledging their claim that software installation is an optional extra, making it easier to claim that it's not needed.

>>106444197
>ability to install apks
Doesn't really roll of the tongue. We need some term that is as pretty as 'sideloading' but actually has the correct vibe and meaning for normies to understand it. As you said 'side' is sorta insulting to the user.
'Alternative install', 'User install', 'Self install' something like that i think.

>>106444235
manual installs
manual installation

>>106444138
Even if you can add other repos, the developers making the apps still need to register & dox themselves to Google. You can't just be a random, unaffiliated dude releasing an app somewhere online, because your app will not install unless it's blessed by Google. No matter where or what store it comes from, they ALL need Google's special touch.

>>106444163
That's not exactly the same thing. Steam on PC offers and does far more than just downloading games and all the "competitors" are complete trash with none of the functionality. Buying a PC game somewhere else potentially means giving up a lot of functionality that only Steam offers. App stores on phones are just downloaders you do not interact with in any other way, it hardly matters if you open one or the other.

>>106444261
but those terms exclude third party stores as they are not really manual. We need a term that basically means 'to install' but in a way that excludes or at least ignores first party stores.
'Install' means first party store as i already said so we can't use that. But FOSS-tier word chains like ability to install apks also won't do it.
Difficult situation on all fronts it seems.

>>106444297
third party stores are not being blocked moron. just any unsigned software

>>106444159
>apple fliename
>blatant lies
of course it's just lies. lmao. it will only be refused by google play and play protect. nothing in your cringe photo says anything about restricting ability to install unsigned apps as normal, nor did the announcement by the pajeet on twitter.
>>106444316
>just any unsigned software
nope. only in relation to google's store. keep trying, you might be able to convince someone.

So what phone do I use now?

>>106444316
>third party stores are not being blocked moron
letting yourself be dommed by google goes against most third party stores ideologies. What is even the point behind one if google needs to approve the dev first.

Basically turns every third party store into play store by what is allowed to run on your phone.

>>106444340
keep using the same phone and ignore the compulsive lies from this board's resident schizophrenics that can't read. simple.

>>106444359
Fuck you anon, I have like 5 different apps on my phone made by anonymous people who will never doxx themselves to Google.

>>106437618
imagine living anywhere else top kek

>>106444350
>Basically turns every third party store into play store by what is allowed to run on your phone.
false. let's use fdroid as an example: owners of fdroid will have to confirm their identity to be hosted on the google playstore but apps via their store won't require it since that's out of google's ecosystem.

>>106444371
>nooo why won't people believe me!
cope.

>>106444373
>imagine living anywhere else kek

>>106444338
So you’re just straight up denying reality?
>muh filenames
not an argument Ramesh
the relevant information is highlighted so your monkey brain can process it.

>>106443486
she's probably not interacted much with true Indians, the ones that barely speaks English

>>106444395
>apps via their store won't require it since that's out of google's ecosystem
But every outlet keeps saying that 'sideloading' apps also needs their devs to be verified. Unsigned stuff no matter the origin or method is a no go it seems.
Give me a single source that says otherwise because there are thousands that push ALL apps needing to be signed.

>>106444395
>cope
What fucking cope, do you really think the developer of my monero wallet or 4chang client is going to give his ID to Google? Are you retarded?

>>106444395
>owners of fdroid will have to confirm their identity to be hosted on the google playstore but apps via their store won't require it since that's out of google's ecosystem.
Any phone that runs Google Play Services will block non-verified apps regardless of where you got them from. And to obtain that verification certificate, guess what the dev/publisher has to do?

>>106444446
>every outlet keeps saying that 'sideloading' apps also needs their devs to be verified
and they're wrong. the google pajeet on twitter clarified what it meant due to the lies and misinformation spread by the internet's worst journalists
>>106444464
>>106444474
>seething his hard
bait thread not going well? that's really a shame.

>>106444497
>and they're wrong
unironically where is the source then? Give me a link where it says otherwise.

>>106444411
this kills the Androne.

>>106444411
Droidxirstas, what is this?

>>106444497
Oh ok you're just trolling.

>>106444497
Why is Smear Saarmat agreeing with David here?

>we are still deciding on the user side
kek absolutely confirmed they’re locking it all down

>>106444585
>>106444574
>>106444497
>>106444395
>>106444411
where did Droidsaar go after these trvthnvkes dropped?

>>106437649
good morning saar
do the sneedful and use the gemini

>>106444411
>accountability
no such thing. this is about control. they can alter the deal whenever they want or even shut you out on a whim
(((services))) are a cancer that should never substitute software

So where are the lawsuits?

>>106444710
Nothing ever happens.

>>106444710
Lawsuits for what precisely?

>>106444739
To stop requiring verification to install apps.

>>106444745
Under which law would this suit be undertaken?

>>106444737
Epic sued google and won though, the next step is to use that as a precedent to cut this out

>>106444756
I'm fairly certain requiring approval to install third party software on a general purpose computer violates most western anti-trust laws.

It's just a question of who has the wherewithal to sue to completion.

>>106444757
epig doesn't give a shit about signature enforcement. they never cared about your ability to run unsigned apps
mandatory signature enforcement only benefits the jews with the keys (i.e. not you)

>>106444235
"Install" is the default, "install via the play store" is a special case.

>>106444782
> I'm fairly certain requiring approval to install third party software on a general purpose computer violates most western anti-trust laws.
since when?
You still need a certificate from Apple to distribute third-party apps on iOS even through an altstore. The EU is fine with that. This just brings Google in parity with Apple.

>>106444864
Since always.

>This just brings Google in parity with Apple
Apple needs to be sued too.

>>106444637
>>106444574
>>106444585
>apple filename
>raging
it's always great watching you have a fit because your lies are too hilarious to believe.

>>106444965
>still no source for the refutation

>>106444973
>still can't provide anything to backup his lies
keep posting the same 3 images over and over again, sandeep. lmao.

>>106437661
same. I don't know why anyone wouldn't immediately install lineageOS.
>no google
>no manufacturer bloat
>OS upgrades for years to come instead of two years and buy new
my samsung tablet (for reading manga) is 6 years old and I run Android 15 and it runs perfectly fine

>>106443814
Damn. When you put it that way, it illustrates even clearer how much of an abuse this whole thing is. I fucking hate this dystopia we live in

>>106444989
I guess quoting the company's developer site and the President for the Android Ecosystem isn't a good enough source for the Pajeet.
https://developer.android.com/developer-verification/guides

Here's a list of certified devices, in case you need to refer to it in future to shop around:
https://www.android.com/certified/partners/

>>106443721
Explain. Where is the official sideloading outside of the EU?

>>106443573
Just use Trickystore. My bank's app just werks.

>>106444411
>>106437504 (OP)
>Certified Android devices
So is my old Dell Optiplex running Android x86 about to become useless in it's current role of playing Gatcha slop? I mean that sucks but I can always just put Mint back on it or whatever...

Also imagine all the E-waste this will create from companies that grift about 'muh carbon neutrality', fuck these hypocrite assholes.

>>106445766
https://www.android.com/certified/partners/#tab-panel-odms
I don't see Dell on there sir

>>106437618
>outside of the EU
who gives a shit

>>106445798
>I don't see Dell on there sir
RIP, fuck Google and fuck Congress for doing little more than merely slapping them on the wrist and making the pay a fine that amounts to little more than chump change which just further incentivizes Jewoogle to continue getting shittier.

>>106437504 (OP)
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux,
is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component
of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell
utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day,
without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU
which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are
not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a
part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system
that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run.
The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself;
it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is
normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system
is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux"
distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>106443721
>Yes it does. And did. For years.
- Devs can give a limited amount of testers the right to load it.
- Corps can get the right to have their own shop for their own employees.

Apple has nothing comparable to sideloading, even with Android dev verification Apple would still be far more restricted.

>>106437618
it doesn't have sideloading inside of the EU either

>>106445845
The 7.9 billion people who don't live there, perhaps.

>>106445867
"people"

>>106437504 (OP)
linux is a kernel

>>106443814
>food analogy

>>106446029
>refers to the billions of other "people"
>hating muslims
yep. you're indian confirmed.

>>106437659
>iphones can keep using apps that were banned from the store
Install Flappy Bird right now. Good luck.
>but android have to ask their daddy google for permission to open an app every single time
You only have the App Store and that's pretty much it, since jailbreaking really stopped being a thing for newer phones.

>>106446029
jeets are the animals who rape the most on this planet and thankfully within the EU they are extremely rare.

what does this mean for my chinkphone with MIU or whatever its called?

>>106446095
tbf that was removed by its creator not by Apple

>>106438391
>>106438686
It hasn't happened yet, this comes into effect next year and you're a 100x worse off on iOS anyway.
You have the App Store and that's it, no YouTube Revanced, to F-Droid, no Aurora Store so you don't have to use the official app store and a Google account, not bootloader unlocking, no root, no custom iOS ROMs to flash.

>>106443293
>>106443372
>>106443839
>>106443573
It hasn't happened yet, this comes into effect next year and you're a 100x worse off on iOS anyway.
You have the App Store and that's it, no YouTube Revanced, to F-Droid, no Aurora Store so you don't have to use the official app store and a Google account, not bootloader unlocking, no root, no custom iOS ROMs to flash.

>buy device that can have its bootloader unlocked
>install Lineage, Graphine, Calyx, /e/, whatever OS of your choosing
>install Obtanium
>find the apk source of your favorite apps, add it to Obtanium
>enjoy freedom

>>106446193
>>buy device that can have its bootloader unlocked
>>install Lineage, Graphine, Calyx, /e/, whatever OS of your choosing
Sadly harder and harder to do. I have a OnePlus 11 and I'm still scared of running a custom ROM, because the bootloop recovery process isn't exactly as straightforward as using Odin for Samsung phones back in the day and just flashing the stock firmware.

>>106446221
Buy a Fairphone. Bootloader unlocked by default and requires no hoops to jump through.

>>106437504 (OP)
They're ready for EU chat control

>>106446176
> YouTube Revanced, to F-Droid, no Aurora Store
Google won’t be giving them certificates lol, they’ll be revoked and the developers banned instantly.

>>106443814
^ This, it's MY god given right to grill and I won't let McEvilCorp take that away from me.
Keep up the food analogies.

>>106446292
None of those are on the Play Store anyway and all of this comes into effect next year. We're just speculating now.
It could be just this >>106443951.

>>106446292
^ This >>106446176
All Goolag has to do is intentionally maliciously release an update with a serious security bug and then offer the (((security fix))) which will boil down to run an old insecure OS or just install the Anti Christ on your phone. Sure people will find a way around this BUT you can bet Silicon Valley tech bros will make sure there's as much friction and inconvenience as possible to the point when even software engineers an other such Smarty MCsmart panties just give up because they've got more important things to worry about other than run custom roms on their malware rectangle so the only people left who keep trying are turbo spergs.

Might as well just jump ship now into Loonix phones like PinePhones.

>>106446176
No F-Droid*

>>106446427
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8wriIUL0rI
This sadly doesn't really seem usable.

>>106446353
Being on the Play Store is irrelevant to this.
Can’t you read?
>>106445058
REGARDLESS OF SOURCE
actually read the fucking docs Ramesh

>>106446611
So, you do know exactly what Google will do next year and that it would make mods like YouTube Revanced impossible before they've done it? Come on man.. I don't believe they have everyone's best interest in mind, but we're all just speculating and you're pretending you're somehow not.

>>106446810
>come on man, let me keep moving the goalposts and redirecting to turn this into an endless circular argument
nope

>>106446926
Quit pretending you know exactly what will happen, you don't. And you don't really have to be a smug asshole about it either. There was also a controversy with installing from unknown sources which just ended up being an additional toggle switch.

>>106437504 (OP)
>the myth of consensual side loading
>isn't there someone you forgot to ask?

>>106447146
I can read (and have read) the developer docs.
You’ve failed at this meagre hurdle.

>>106444235
How about, ownership of your own equipment? ownership of your own hardware. Freedom. We need something that emphasises how fucked this is. If your computer won't let you run a specific program because Google or Apple or Microsoft says no, that means you don't own it, it belongs to Google or whoever and answers to them ultimately, and not you. A huge company is the master of your equipment, and therefore your master too.

>>106437504 (OP)

It’s very amusing to watch Android lose what was never a competitive advantage to begin with.

>>106444159
Reminds me of https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1756678478820500.webm

They are megalomaniac control freaks.
Alphabet can't be broken apart too soon, I hope it happens.

>>106440351
>A new platform will emerge
100% a Chinese fork of Android or a combination of Linux/Android (Look at Waydroid). However, without Google's services installed, it will be hard to even get normies to use it. You need normier shit and banking apps to work on your phone, or it's DOA.

>>106447489
So people will get a dedicated phone just for banking or do it online if it's an option. You can only tighten the noose so much

>>106446427
>All Goolag has to do is intentionally maliciously release an update with a serious security bug
oh yeah forgot about this point
since jewgle has every dev's signing keys, they (or any malicious actor, such as a state) can forge and push updates on their behalf

>>106447489
why do banks rely on jewgle play services? I thought relying on extraneous 3rd party software as a huge no-no in security?

>>106447349
you do have ownership of your hardware.
you don’t have ownership of the firmware or software, those are licensed to you.
there is also legislation and regulation governing your usage of the hardware, software and firmware as well.

>>106446292
>>106446353
i dont see any of this happening. actually blocking third part apps would nuke the entire android ecosystem.

the MOST draconian thing i can think of them doing is you have to register on their website as a 'android dev' to install third party apps. the most straightforward thing i can think of them doing is moving the 'unknown apps allow' option to the developer options. there is no way that they just block the ability of regular people to just compile and run apps for android without any special approval/privileges needed since that would put them in a SEVERE disadvantage vs IOS commercially.

this whole news story is just them shooting themselves in the foot PR wise and a nothingburger practically. you'll just have to go to a different menu to enable third party apps.

>>106448207
i bought the phone i own the phone, includes the plastic, the copper, the silicone, the bytes in it's memory, everything.
anyone telling you anything different is disingenuous/retarded.

>>106444338
>it will only be refused by google play and play protect.
Which is pretty much everyone. An Android user who doesn't have those on their phone is a freakish statistical anomaly, something google is treating like something that shouldn't exist or be spoken to.
>>106448929
Is there REALLY any reason we shouldn't expect Android Dev Console to not have the same damn restrictions on content as the Play store? Really, any at all? Maybe not out of the box, so the frog can boil a little longer without noticing, but eventually, why wouldn't they?
And besides, we still out of the box have an effective end to someone anonymously developing apps that provide secure communications services that the government can't trace.
The only way I see this not taking place, is if the government uses it as an excuse to ban custom ROMs, because "criminals are using them to talk in secret!".

>>106448983
you cant ban roms or ban people talking in secret that always was and will always be impossible and unenforcable

what they can and might do is make it more of a hassle to install apps on android if theyre not google approved

>>106449048
on google android/phone manufacturer roms that is you can always install real android without that shit

>>106449048
You can totally ban any device from being imported that has a bootloader that is able to be unlocked.

>>106449065
buy and use them anyway its really not that complicated i buy and use shit that's 'banned form being imported' all the time

>>106449133
Well that's just a matter of your government being incompetent at enforcing its own rules, which isn't something you should count on.

>>106437504 (OP)
EU will fix this, right?

it's google's property, if they don't want you sideloading apps onto it then go somewhere else

>>106449149
>government being incompetent
>something you should count on.

you do realize you're shitting on THE most reliable future predictor in ALL HUMAN HISTORY going millenia back to before the gobekli tepe civilization right? a cesium clock is wrong more often than my assertion that the government will be retarded.

ID's are racist.

>>106449235
I'm not saying the government isn't retarded dude. It just might not be retarded enough the one time you try to import a phone that can have its bootloder unlocked, and someone has actually developed a custom ROM for, and thus actually load the Russian version of Telegram or whatever it is you're trying to use.

>>106449149
>Well that's just a matter of your government being incompetent at enforcing its own rules
This describes every government to have ever existed.

>>106445854
+1 Stallman bucks have been deposited in your account.
>>106446237
Not available in the US, and I'm holding out for the Librux NEXX

>>106446427
What company is "the"? I got.
>literally who?
>Amazon
>Google
>Disney
>Netflix

>>106449314
It's Facebook.

>>106449314
facebook i think? should be pretty obvious

>>106449314
used to be called the facebook

>>106449324
>>106449328
>>106449330
Thanks. I definitely derp'd on that one.

>>106446427
reminder they did all this to curb movie and music piracy

>>106449403
>curb movie and music piracy
Except it stopped none. The pirates are going as strong as ever. The only people DRM ever punishes is the paying customer.

>>106449412
>The only people DRM ever punishes is the paying customer.
I find this funny. I don't think DRM is directly the problem. I still pirate everything except music. Spotify is the only thing I pay for because I do find it ultimately more convenient than pirating music. HBO/Disney/Paramount/etc/etc splitting themselves up into a million different sites and services you have to pay for separately has ultimately just driven more people to pirate like me.

>>106444965
>>106444989
>>106445058
>>106446611
butthurt andjeet still won't refute anything. KWAB

>>106446167
>>106446176
I use uYouEnhanced on my phone, works perfectly. Feels good watching Mid-droid users seethe at iOS superiority

>>106449578
What iOS superiority, Android has had mods for various app since its inception and your YouTube mod isn't going to be actively maintained anymore. That's the first sentence on developer's github. Wow, the superiority..

>>106449304
>Not available in the US
Murena sells them.

>>106449462
And they're aware of this. The current market situation is their last pump for exit liquidity before someone else has to deal with the problem.
They think the issue of piracy isn't a big enough loss like consolidating under a single streaming service will be. However cancellations will increase and piracy will increase as market conditions worsen, eventually changing the calculus.
Unlike musicians, television and movie studios cannot fall back on a reliable secondary stream for revenue like live shows.

Anyway the moral of the story is, expect companies to be openly hostile to customers the more Jewish the industry is.

>>106449412
This was true since the XCP rootkit and still true today.
There is malware out there worse than XCP on paper, but is largely tolerated now.

>>106448929
we’re not blocking third-party apps
we are allowing you to have the privilege of installing apps outside the Play Store that we have vetted and approved.

>>106449572
just think of it like a check at the airport.
you don’t want anonymous terrorists getting through, do you?

>>106449149
>your government being incompetent at enforcing its own rules
Modern Western democratic governments are the absolute culmination of incompetence.
The Soviet democratic governments were close contenders, but it didn't show as much, because they didn't bother as much with it back then.
And I'm arguing in good faith here: The alternative would be that our democratic governments shit on their own rules and intentionally enforce them in multiple tiers as they see fit.

>>106449183
No, they'll pat Google on the back for taking care of the technical side of the upcoming chat control bill. Because how would they enforce total chat monitoring in all apps if you could just install an app that doesn't read your messages?

>>106439271
It'd be cool if there was a board restricted to people with university degrees. But I can't trust the tards running this site to keep my personal data safe.

>>106446026
>animefag

>>106437504 (OP)
linux is not android, dude.
anyway, here's a thing. say, i have a smart watch which's recently lost its usecase for getting notifications. they're nice tho, so i have this idea of making an rss reader which would put my rss subscriptions into the notifications system so i can get rss notifications on my smart watch. see the problem tho?
the app's going to be seen as a third party unknown unverified crap despite the fact that i've made it myself. if i'm not allowed to side load, i cant install it. means i cant develop for android without jumping throu bureaucracy hoops. it's completely retarded.

>>106437649
>Smear Scat

>>106451994
>inb4 use existing solutions
i want to use this to watch 4chins generals too, fuck off

>>106437504 (OP)
>Linux
I don't think Google will succeed in upstreaming those restrictions to Linux kernel.

>>106443126
that’s a good thing saar now buy new fone and get best android develop

>>106438391
I always question this shit with literally all these decisions specially shit from Microsoft. It makes absolutely zero sense to do and yet they do it. All I can crack it up to being is fucking pajeets. Only a.fucking pajeet could actually believe this shit is a good thing.

>>106437618
Apple limits sideloading in EU the same way
>If you’ve opted into alternative distribution for customers in the European Union, you can choose to make your app version eligible for distribution on alternative app marketplaces or websites only by selecting to have it evaluated based on the Notarization Review Guidelines
https://developer.apple.com/help/app-store-connect/managing-alternative-distribution/submit-for-notarization/

>>106437661
I run LineageOS because I am crushing hard on Luk1337 but I'm too afraid to talk to him

>>106452529
Imagine being so naive that you think it's pajeets. The same pajeets that love rooting and making custom ROMs.
This is clearly being coordinated at a global scale by the world's elites. They are moving into total digital lockdown.
Do you really think it's a coincidence they push ID and age verification in both the US and Europe with both the government and corporations in lockstep at exactly the same time this happens?
Prepare for physical attestation to use Windows and websites owned by big corpos. It will start by Steam requiring physical integrity attestation to play multiplayer games, then websites will follow.

>>106452026
Clueless. Do you really think Pichai is making the decision to go forward with this? How naive are you?
Companies have this thing called "a board".
The CEO doesn't get to decide what the company does.

>>106453401
a board that he is filling with his cousins from India you seethe Andjeet turdburglar

>>106454739
>>106449935

>>106453301
What castes and what ethnicity of pajeets are we talking about making the custom ROMs here? That might affect one's tendency to be an NWO sycophant.

BSDKings
WW@

>>106437729
>root
most phones don't even let you root anymore. At least not new ones
It's actually over.

>>106446167
>you're a 100x worse off on iOS anyway.
how

>>106446221
>>>buy device that can have its bootloader unlocked
he number of these devices shrink by the day

>>106440736
>but muh microsoft muh google
not making a strong case, lady

>>106443606
>How do i get pure linux or BSD running on my phone?
write drivers for your phone and write ports for the kernel and software you need. also need your code signed by google/samsung/whoever in order to install it. otherwise you need to write some kind of hack to bypass the write protections.

>>106453301
I think you are fucking delusional. You don't think this shit has been discussed for a long time now? Countries already have much of what you mention but now with disinfo and mentally I'll retards online that don't know how to tell what is real or not its becoming far more important to pass laws like these. I'm not saying I agree with these laws. However I am saying something does logically need to be done to stop these dumb fucks from being taken advantage of by foreign actors among disinfo. You sit here and act all conspiracy theory but whenever someone brings up the fact that the recent trans school shooter was huge in the Russian sphere on Russian social media etc etc that they were influenced and groomed by Russian intelligence to do shit like this. OH NO THATS TO MUCH OF A CONSPIRACY ! OH NO THAT COULD NEVER HAPPEN!

Therr is a real fucking problem and in honesty I'm not sure how to deal with it outside of say putting the parents in jail for not monitoring there kids or strict laws on mentally Ill retards from accessing the internet.

>>106453301
I know for a fact its pajeet bullshit. Its why every single fucking you pajeet fucks touch turn into shit.

>>106456484
>something does logically need to be done to stop these dumb fucks from being taken advantage of by foreign actors among disinfo
That would be geoblocking all foreign IP addresses. Every country gets their own little internet with its own social media communities. No one's talking across borders, so no one's spreading lies or things that your favorite party doesn't want to be true but are, except from a local origin point. It keeps the world simpler so not everyone has got to be an expert in geopolitics and international conspiracy before they are qualified to vote with good judgement.
Because when it comes to trying to ban misinformation, you are simply declaring something to be true, and that if you know what's good for you, that's what you'll be saying. And so reality becomes whatever you'd better say it is if you know what's good for you, rather than that which, if you stop believing it, does not go away. And if you are going to force the public to act like they believe anything, no matter how big, how small, or of foreign origin, you don't have a democracy anymore.
(1/2)

>>106456484
>>106456657
(2/2)
Now I'm not saying getting mentally ill people off the internet wouldn't improve most discussions on average, but the problem is always how you define it, and in partisan politics, "mentally ill" somehow always ends up being "a few genuine crazies, and some people my preferred party doesn't like so I don't like them either". And the only way to enforce it is to simply identify everyone before they connect to an ISP, or worse, just to interactive computer services that allow discussion.
Does it ever occur to you that the government, the rich, or a large corporation, might do something that isn't serving the public trust, that needs to be called out, and can't be called out without putting yourself in danger if they can identify you without much effort? Or, what if it requires a protest or petition to get the attention it needs? Those depend on people talking to organize and whether they were right or wrong needs to get decided AFTER they protest or petition, because if you decide before, you've taken the right to petition or protest to a place where only predetermined conclusions are allowed. That is why information can't be allowed to become illegal and why we need freedom of speech.

>>106452564
Apple has always been shit, the difference is that Alphabet is altering the deal.

It's like when Sony decided to remove the ability to run Linux on your PS3 when that was a promised feature of the system.
Companies should eat shit for deciding to fuck up your stuff.

>>106456657
This is a very good idea. We should.be doing this already. I just think it isn't enough. We have Russian agents in the US using microwave weapons against people. What's stopping them forming some group in the US. I still think we should do it even if it isn't 100% because all of this is getting outnof control. With AI getting better I can see how easy it would be to target gather information on individuals and manipulate them.

>>106456664
At least we need to ban severly mentally ill people off the internet. People that are actual diagnosed schizophrenics shit like this. Yes, corpos should be called out for there bullshit but they only do what the government allows then to get away with. Tbh like I said something has to be done and I think the retards who run things really don't know wtf to do and no one has any ability for nuance. The insanity

>>106457801
Okay, but how do you enforce that principle? You've got to define who signs off on what paperwork to kick someone off the internet, and define how ISPs or websites go looking for it, or go looking for its absence, and how aggressively do you think it really needs to go? There are ranges of things;
On the low end, you can issue an order for residential ISPs to not provide service, or provide only reduced service for an individual with identifiers X Y Z trying to buy service, and fine them if they don't comply. One step above that is, if that person lives with others, make them provide access controls on the router or something and basically ignore it if the schizo uses his mom's computer.

On the extreme high end, you order every website that hosts user generated content to follow the government's digital ID protocol and identify every single user who tries to get on that way, report and ban any user who meets certain patterns decided by executive committee for suspicion of using someone else's digital id, and seize the domain of anyone who doesn't comply, and send special forces to raid the offices of any registrar, host, or tier-1 ISP who doesn't comply.

One end offers zero tolerance, and is no fun for anyone, but is where you end up if you keep on proclaiming we need to stop these evil people over and over again (usually in the form of blaming them for the wrong party doing...anything) without focusing on a specific solution.

>>106437504 (OP)
eOs chads don't care tho. Google can get fucked.

>>106438498
Agree this whole panic about google removing side loading is just a big nothing burger imo

>>106459453
that isn't what they said at all you fucking pair of mid-2000s earbuds

>>106445014
>I don't know why anyone wouldn't immediately install lineageOS.
Sometimes I receive paper checks and can only deposit them via mobile app which requires Google Setvices Framework or whatever. Also my current job uses PingID authentication with the same req.

>>106447489
>However, without Google's services installed, it will be hard to even get normies to use it.
Normies dont know what google services are. They just know to look for apps in the store and search from their homescreen, and have zero understanding of the backend. most dont even know how to exit apps properly or navigate a filesystem. they dont understand the difference between the google search app and their browser app.

>>106447597
corporations trust each other because laws are actually enforced business to business. banks know google will actually be punished if they fuck woth banks. thats why they can trust microsoft and apple too. the us government and military can also trust fagman for the same reason

>>106437504 (OP)
>get's slapped down by the EU
nothin personal Cleetus

>>106456113
rent free

>>106437649
>Hurr de durr buy a phone that doesn't have replaceable batteries from a company that tells it's users what to like.

>>106437504 (OP)
loonix btfo
ichads won

>>106438391
jewgle is a fucking nsa front company you stupid goylem. they dont give a shit about any of this and they are not worried about profits. unless you raze washington DC to the ground, they are getting a paycheck. maybe even if you did.

>>106444134
installing you stupid zoomer nigger

>>106460461
>y-you lose goy, im already in chains so now you are too
sasuga ijeet. too stupid to not put on handcuffs

>>106437504 (OP)
How will they enforce it? at system level? in kernel? Will it be in "pure" android? how will then Chinese version of android be able to use non google verified apps?

>>106460042
>>Hurr de durr buy a phone that doesn't have replaceable batteries from a company that tells it's users what to like.
Google Pixel?

>>106437504 (OP)
Linux ain't an OS.
And iOS will STILL be more locked down.

>>106461020
Google Play Service/Protect

>>106461560
cope post

>>106461560
schrodinger's OS

>>106438391
There are multiple reasons to buy Android still. I for example use my phone only for listening to music and messaging on Signal, I do not care about specs, brand or whatever meme camera tech it has. I just install LineageOS and install 2 apps and I'm done. Why would I paid for 10000% markup for a device that is not very good when I can spend 200€ and then I'm good for the next 5+ years?

>>106437504 (OP)
lmao

>>106437504 (OP)
bump. trans rights are human rights

>>106467558
dilate

They goddamn knew that jeet judge wasn't going to make them give up Android or Chrome.

>>106438258
it is, Stallman
but while Android uses the Linux kernel, it is not Linux

>>106437504 (OP)
the absolute state

>>106443606
Buy a pinephone and cry. They’ve even stopped making the pro version that was significantly more usable (better CPU).

Alternatively, get some sort of compact Linux handheld and stick an LTE modem in it

lmao

>>106469292
time apple won

>>106437504 (OP)
linux lost

>>106445058
Would this mean that Unihertz devices like the Titan 2 will be unaffected?