Thread 106461420

This guy built a blogging platform and made it available under MIT
Then other people forked it and provided the same service, making him lose money
So he made the code source-available now.

Thoughts? You can see the software here btw. https://bearblog.dev/

>>106461420 (OP)
>This guy built a blogging platform and made it available under MIT
His prerogative.
>Then other people forked it and provided the same service, making him lose money
A predictable outcome.
>So he made the code source-available now.
Cool.
>Thoughts? You can see the software here btw. https://bearblog.dev/
NMP.

>>106461420 (OP)
>I didn't give it much thought at the time
No surprise they blame someone else for there troubles, then.

>>106461501
what

>allow everyone to use your code for whatever they wish
>people use your code for whatever they wish
>how could this happen???
Also how does this implies "Webdev are tired of FOSS"?
It's literally one dude being a retard. He didn't even move away from FOSS either. Wtf are you talking about OP?

Grsecurity did the same thing with their kernel patch. Used to be GPL. Now it's GPL+N(o redistribution).

>But you can't do that if it's not an original work
They did.

Today I gave a fiver to a homeless person, you wouldn't believe what the fucker did with it. I saw him buy bagel, with MY money. Who does he think he is? I was so furious I could hardly breathe. I'm never donating again EVER.

Grsecurity did the same thing with their kernel patch. Used to be GPL. Now it's GPL+N(o redistribution).

>But you can't do that if it's not an original work
They did.

RMS completely agrees that you can make a patch of the linux kernel and GCC and distribute it under any license you want.
(See image attached)
It can be completely proprietary if you want.
Ask him about it at rms@gnu.org

>>106461566
GPL is dying anyway so who cares.
Microsoft has shown that it can embed entire Linux in their system and don't have to give a shit about anything.

>>106461576
GPL has nothing to do with this thread though

>>106461577
>Competing software licenses have nothing to do with this thread
It's literally the foundation of this thread.

>>106461420 (OP)
>So he made the code source-available now.
He made it proprietary software. Which is fine, he's welcome to do that. But you can fuck off with your i-can't-believe-it's-not-butter bullshit.

>>106461591
>He made it proprietary software. Which is fine, he's welcome to do that. But you can fuck off with your i-can't-believe-it's-not-butter bullshit.
So did Grsecurity, which they can do even though they are a non-seperable derivative work.

Explain that nonchalantly.
>Well it's a PATCH, so they aren't DISTRIBUTING the kernel!, Original copyright owners do NOT have the right to control derivative works, NO MATTER WHAT THE COPYRIGHT OFFICE SAYS, CHUUUDDDD
>TRANS RIGHTS
>WOMENS RIGHTS!
>FUCK WHITE PEOPLE
>FUCK GEEKS.

>>106461589
No, foundation of this thread is some guy using MIT license and crying when he realized FOSS means anyone can do anything they want. So he moved to proprietary license instead.
He never used GPL or GPL+N or did anything related to Linux.

>>106461620
Grsecurity has nothing to do with bear blog.

>>106461420 (OP)
>cuck license faggot is surprised that his code is getting cucked out

>>106461420 (OP)
Everything he built is built on open source software. Truth is that most people won't use non-open source software today. And no one cares or knows as much about your project as you.

>>106461420 (OP)
jeets

>>106461577
>>>106461566
>GPL is dying anyway so who cares.
All of us who wrote GPL'd code after Linus Torvalds and Richard Matthew Stallman told us, when we were 12 and 13, that they would prosecute (even criminally) anyone that violated the copyrights on Linux, GCC, etc, and that any changes to GPL'd works eventually came back to the author.

That is what they said THEN.
That is what they promised US.

NOW they say something else.
But they fradulently induced us to program for free software by claiming they would protect the copyrights.
Linus said it on video.

>>106461640
You can host GPL licensed code as well. It's one of the freedoms Stallman talked about.

>>106461654
Linux Torvalds, Stallman and Linux have nothing to do with this thread.

>>106461647
Nope, he isn't.

>>106461639
Grsecurity has everything to do with taking opensource code proprietary, so go fuck yourself.

No one CARES about "Bear", Do you understand that dipshit FUCK, and let us see the title of this thread: is it "BEAR changes License, an introspective, or is it":
>Webdevs are tired of FOSS

Oh, I think it is
>Webdevs are tired of FOSS

Guess what you _need_ if you are running a forward facing webserver on linux. And don't want to be hacked in 2 seconds.

PaX/Grsecurity.
>NOOO, NOT THOSE WEBDEVS, WE MEANT FAGGOTS, NOT SYSADMINS THAT RUN THE HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE "stack"!!!

>>106461589
For >>106461580

>>106461656
>You can host GPL licensed code as well. It's one of the freedoms Stallman talked about.
Stallman used to say how the GPL was designed so that the source code would always be free; because if you distributed it at all; the source had to be obtainable; and it would in short order make it's way out to the wider world.

Now he says unchacteristic shit and dodges the questions.

>>106461660
>Linux Torvalds, Stallman and Linux have nothing to do with this thread.
Again DIP FUCKING SHIT
Is the _TITLE_ of this thread
>THE IMPORTANT PROGRAM "Bear" CHANGES LICENSE??!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!
or is it
>Webdevs are tired of FOSS

Answer that dipshit fuck.
Grsecurity is vital to running a website on linux.
If you do not use PaX/Grsecurity you get hacked.
Has been the case since 2001.

>>106461640
>>cuck license faggot is surprised that his code is getting cucked out
Would you call Hans Reiser a cuck? He killed the bitch.

>>106461664
GPL doesn't prevent others from using your software on their servers. Everyone runs Linux on their servers for example.

>>106461673
>No one CARES about "Bear",
Then why make a thread about it?

>>106461671
the people that took his idea, changed somethings that would take 2 hours and then turned it into a microservice
i dont care that he lost yada yada capitalism i care that his opponents had no honor, integrity, or creative ideas of their own

>>106461420 (OP)
how do we go back to the hyperspace days of the internet being above capitalism as a haven where only ideas held power?
I miss those alien days

Why would anyone think that competing with your users would be a good business model?
There are thousands of companies that offer web hosting.

>>106461699
>Stallman used to say how the GPL was designed so that the source code would always be free
Bear source code has always been free until the developer himself made it proprietary. Wdym?

>Answer that dipshit fuck.
Answer what?
I don't see a single question in your post.

>>106461734
It is a good business model when you're a huge multibillion corporation though.

>>106461733
Zoomers are incapable of experiencing passion. Creating something for fun is incomprehensible for them. They will not move their finger unless doing so would bring them money or fame on social media.
That's why we see so many game modders, FOSS developers, etc starting patreons, locking content behind paywalls and whining anytime someone uses their shit for a project without asking.
Everything must be transactional, every profit must be realized, there is no space for hobby done out of passion.

>>106461572
/thread

>>106461775
I want to agree but this is a result of environment. The economy is absurdly cutthroat nowadays, and corporations made this bed. It's also why they offer the solution: be an "entrepreneur", an "influencer", make it and start rolling in dosh...through their platforms.

>>106461715
I don't know what his circumstances were, but I can safely bet that he did nothing wrong and she deserved it. When you bring an autistic nerd that wrote his own filesystem to his limit, shit like that happens.

>>106461420 (OP)
>use cuck license
>get cucked
waow

>>106461420 (OP)
the consequences of choosing a cuck license

>>106461420 (OP)
>getting cucked by the cuck license
unexpected

Proprietary software simply works in the real world.

>>106461775
Most modders still do it for free. Even when they put out high quality. FOSS is software with no end-user in mind, so you should compare it to indie devs instead.

>>106461879
>>106461891
>>106461914
GPL doesn't prevent others from hosting your programs, retards.

>>106461920
>GPL for a webapp
ok

>>106461717
Unless Apple wanted to release source code for large parts of OSX/iOS they wouldn't be able to integrate GPL Linux code into their OS codebase except as self-contained modules, but BSD code is fine.

>>106461572
Ever read the Stallman commentary on the time he gave a beggar $2 for the train? Good read. He decided to buy food and give it to them lol.

>>106461915
Back in my days nothing of sorts was happening. But when I was leaving modding for other areas of programming the shift of mentality was so obvious. That's when gmodstore was becoming a thing and it feel so weird to me that people want to make money of modding someone's else game. Nothing of sort was a thing before, but right after I left it seemed like everything changed. A zoomer friend of mine entered the scene where everyone who could would try to make money and he as a teen made quite a sum from selling his mods. Not much longer than that Bethesda started experimenting with paid mods and shit, and things propagated to Minecraft, etc. Seeing at S&box fan base gave me impression that everyone is just waiting for this to be released so they can start profiting of modding it.
Where are the times where people would just create something huge like Wiremod and just have fun with it? Realistic texture pack for Minecraft? Gotta pay for it. Some nice shaders? Gotta pay for it. Want water simulation? Pay or wait for your turn.
It's so tiresome.

>>106461920
but at least they can't take your code, slap their logo on it add some extensions then sell it without publishing source code.

pay up freetards.

>>106461970
Yet Microsoft integrated entire Linux into their codebase and had no legal problems doing so.

Also this is not about integrating kernels. The guy is upset that other people are hosting his project on their servers. This is allowed under GPL, that's why you can use Linux on your AWS EC2 instance.
Pants on head retard.

>>106461985
Microsoft can do this to Linux though.

>>106461664
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

>>106461981
>it feel so weird to me that people want to make money of modding
Bro. They should be working for free!

>>106461775
>"zoomers"
>That's why we see so many game modders
i want you to define "so many" for me.
>FOSS developers, etc starting patreons
oh no, you're one of those.
>and whining anytime someone uses their shit for a project without asking.
this is retarded but you're exaggerating how often it occurs.

>>106461989
Can someone explain what he is trying to say here?

>>106461775
>They will not move their finger unless doing so would bring them money or fame on social media
Bruh. Imagine thinking everyone should just work for free.
Like... I live in a slum because I can barely afford rent. You think I should sit here and code something beautiful for you for free? Fuck you.

>>106462050
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Open_Letter_to_Hobbyists

>>106461981
Idk man I play Souls games, Skyrim and STALKER, most of the mods there are still free.

>>106461989
>Paul Allen
heh

>>106462090
By way of human reasoning would the better mods be free or paid? Why?

>>106462126
free of course. I don't want to play some normie slop, I want to play some giga autistic shit some sperg cobbled together between his goon sessions.

>>106462088
>Trust-fund kiddie who grew up with excellent family support and guidance complains about paycheck-to-paycheckers being poor
Kek.

>>106462022
>i want you to define "so many" for me.
Enough to justify existence of gmodstore and encourage game studios to experiment with platforms to sell mods on.

>>106462017
>>106462076
Zoomy zoom zoom

>>106462142
The better mods are paid, of course.
Not everyone is a trust-fund child who can work for free.
Getting paid is the most important incentive for our economic system.

>>106462126
They're latching on to an existing IP, existing engine and existing fanbase. What they're doing is technically illegal so it should be tolerated as long as it's done for free.

Also it works better as a passion project.

>>106462169
>What they're doing is technically illegal
wrong

>>106462156
>Getting paid is the most important incentive
Here he have it.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.
Zoomers can't experience passion.

>>106462173
Read the ToS

>>106462180
sorry, I'm not a mutt. your tos is worth less than toilet paper.

>>106462179
Just because you want to get paid for your passion doesn't mean you aren't passionate.

>>106462220
If you need monetary incentive to do something then it's not your passion. It's a job.

what revenue would someone make off a project like this? Enough to live off?

>>106462357
It doesn't look he is making any money of this. He is just upset because people fork his open source project and host it themselves.

>>106462315
If you think people don't try to profit from their passion or that it's wrong to do so, then you have a two digit IQ.

>>106461420 (OP)
The entire world is tired of webdevs

>>106462357
this image goes hard

>>106461920
still doesn't stop MIT from being a cuck license.

>>106462357
A couple of bucks.

>>106462452
>If you think people don't try to profit from their passion
Never said so.

>that it's wrong to do so,
Depends on how it's done. If you are selling your mods or if you are larping as FOSS while doing various tactics to get people to pay you then yeah it's wrong. It corrupts the hobbyist spaces.
Of course a zoomer who was raised in this commercialized and proprietary environment wouldn't realize it.

If you do not have time to maintain your mod, just make it FOSS. There will be a lot of people who are willing to help you maintain and expand your mod for free. You won't have to do anything but check PRs every now and then, it's that simple. Many great mods, frameworks or utilities work this way.
But of course this won't bring you fame and money so this option is out of question for zoomers. They NEED tangible returns or they won't do shit and that's the problem.

>>106462551
Of course not. You are free to project your favourite sexual degeneracy on any technology you want.

Imagine being so obsessed with porn that you look at license and think about fetishes.

>>106462551
GPL is the true cuck license.
With a permissively licensed project corpos will just take the code and leave you the fuck alone.
With a copyleft project they will take over by injecting their own contributors and maintainers, making sure the project's development serves themselves.

>>106461985
>but at least they can't take your code, slap their logo on it add some extensions then sell it without publishing source code.
They absolutely can,and they do it all the time. Fuck you gon do, sue them? Good luck, they will either hire the best lawyers or just get rid of you (by suiciding you with 6 bullets in the back of your head).

>>106462585
The point of free software is user freedom, not github good-boy points or how many lines of your code are being used by lockheed martin to atomize civilians. The only meaningful difference between the two in your fantasy is that users, individuals trying to solve their own problems, benefit less.

where are the so called bearblog clones? just out of curiosity

>>106462679
We'll see how your opinion changes when Google or Microsoft cucks you out of your project. Oh wait, no one on /g/ writes software.

this thread came just in time since I am making a program and I don't the same happen to me, so which license is the best?

>>106462715
If you don't want other people using your code then do not share it publicly.
This is the best method of protection.

>>106462699
NTA, but since you are so quick to brag about making software, why don't you post your GPL software?
I will reply with my MIT project and we will see which one has more users, contributions, etc.

>>106462739
even if my code is not public they can reverse engineer it, so there is a license needed, no?

>>106462762
No. Without license all rights are reserved.

>>106462697
We need to make a proper free and open fork of bearblog. We can call it FreeBear, as in free beer.

>>106462715
If you intend to make money off of it, make your own website and don't publish the code online.
I've heard Java code is easier to disassemble and exploit than C++, any other meme language shouldn't be considered.
You'll also have to advertise it ofc.

>>106462767
I see, didn't know that, thanks

>>106461420 (OP)
Why would I give a shit about a closed source bloging platform. Either he gives up and it gets abandoned or it gets sold of an enshitified.
Unless it is 10x better than anything else why even bother.
Also buy an add.

>>106462126
>By way of human reasoning would the better mods be free or paid? Why?
They should be free, you are violating the law anyways and selling them is another violation.

>>106462781
I mean, they can still reverse engineer it in some countries, but no license can prevent that. They still can't resell, profit or publish any part of it unless you explicitly permit them.

>>106462789
Anyone who cares can just stay on the old MIT version and maintain it themselves.
Let's get real. This is just a minimal blogging platform. Any competent webdev can make one themselves in a week top.

>>106462126
They should be Free and Open Source.
This is especially crucial in good, large mods, so if the author burns out, the users can continue improving it. It would also prevent malicious creators from doing a rug pull, inserting his own political bullshit or other shit like that.

>>106462796
Reverse engineering is tedious, and mostly done to crack popular software.

>>106462875
That's true?

>>106462789
>Unless it is 10x better than anything else why even bother.
Check it out yourself
https://github.com/HermanMartinus/bearblog/

>>106461420 (OP)
i dont understand why would you not just use hugo

>>106462944
> its more like substack than hugo
I don't get it.

>>106461530
what a liar, and his face looks a liar too
https://github.com/search?q=repo%3AHermanMartinus%2Fbearblog++language%3AJavaScript&type=code

>>106461457
You cared enough to post.

>>106461457
fpbp
>>106463485
he never said he never cared
>>106461420 (OP)
>source-available
kys. it's even more lax than agpl.

>>106463556
>>he never said he never cared
If you post, you care.

>>106463556
It violates freedom zero.

>>106463563
you are an idiot. feel free to reread the post chain or ask an llm if you're esl to prove you're not
>>106463599
yeah okay. as I grew older I start having less to no fucks to give about what rms et al believed in except for the genius of using copyright against itself. what I believe in, and what I believe I always believed in, was a parallel society of free software where the more I contribute into the more I perpetuate an ecosystem of transparent, hackable software.

>>106461420 (OP)
such a fucking kek, he launched in january: muh all these open source projects becoming closed REEEEER, fucking august: i'm being leeched on by freeloaders, close it, close it, close it, fucking foss lolcow in the making

>>106463642
You must be 18 or older to post here.

>>106463642
>ecosystem of transparent, hackable software.
You are prohibited form using it for the one purpose it was designed for.
Only the owner is actually allowed to use it.

>>106461420 (OP)
do open source licences not allow for a patent system perhaps? surely there's a law against forking someone's work and profiting off of it

>>106461420 (OP)
Why doesn't everyone just use the +NIGGER license? Solves the issue pretty easily.

>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA people forked my MIT-licensed software!!!
Yeah, that's what the MIT license is for.

>>106463719
the project in question is like 400 lines of python, even with his closed license you go: chatgpt/claude rewrite this in js/typescript and you're likely to get a working close source version you can use, it's just a socialist idiot realising hr can't monetize his work when everything is fREEEEEE, muh ideals mean shit when money comes in, he became a capitalist lolcow

>>106463684
only zoomers still lack the mental maturity to cease worshipping another ineffectual kike (first being christ) only teenaged modders on github make anything gpl anymore (and are the only group to make new agp(l) projects), and many are even turning into closed source github binary hosting cancer for having came to the very same conclusion I made.
>>106463698
don't know what you're talking about.
>>106463721
it's just more practical to use a non-osi compatible license to mess with the corporate policy of any soidevs looking to make six figures off of import solution.

>>106463721
that could actually save you from ai rewrites, interesting

>>106463754
Bear Blog is a platform for hosting other peoples blogs.
The license says you can't use it to host other peoples blogs.

Literally look for 'manifesto' on his github and laugh, muh commie going 180 capitalist in half a year

>>106463785
fair point, even if it still allows self-hosting for your own blog, and presumably he'd been fine with people making blog services that didn't charge you. you should've included what you said in your op.
but you/he didn't because it invalidates the more general point being made

>>106463791
???

>>106463827
no, reread the new license you cannot use it to host, it's only for free audit now it seems kek, the guy went commie to fascist in 6 months, amazing what money does to ppl, muh manifesto, muh closedAI, oh wait my work is being used by others CLOSE IT!!!

>>106463878
https://herman.bearblog.dev/manifesto/
>>106463898
for the details, muh FOSS advertising is great, other ppl actually using the sw, REE freeloaders

why do you need a "platform" to create a blog? just upload a html file lmao
these idiots think they're creating something special

>>106464100
the minimal css/nojs became popular in sf circles, all blogging platforms already have their bear theme, the retard thinks his vibe django backend is what ppl are stealing which makes it even funnier

>>106463765
>the word NIGGER could actually save you from ai rewrites
Think again.

ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ >>106463923

>>106461775
Well duh, look in what times they've grown up?
we had it much easier

t. born in the 80's

Licenses are irrelevant, I just use the code I like however I want.

>>106464693
We have grown up in times where we played outdoors, still somewhat respected school and everyone had some hobbies and dreams they wanted to pursue that didn't involve creating and consuming content.

>>106465000
No FOSS license forbids forks and hosting.

>>106463898
Lmao

>>106461420 (OP)
Everything I make is under AGPL. Make companies seethe endlessly

>>106465062
I'll say it: all "FOSS" licenses are cuck licenses. Let me spell out for you the only non-cucked license ever written:
All rights reserved

>>106461420 (OP)
Everyone benefits from open source software but only cucks make commercial software that's open source.

>>106461420 (OP)
Well the whole idea of the BSD license is that you don't CARE what people do with your code.

Many years ago I remember somebody asking Theo about MS using certain portions of the OpenBSD TCP/IP stack, somebody had figured this out somehow, and he was like GOOD lol. He wanted everybody to use his software.

Imagine how gay it would have been if he was like "w-WHAT really? FUCK MS! I'm making OpenBSD closed source now!"

>>106461717
That's what the AGPL is for then. Next question?

>>106461420 (OP)
Designer "devs" are obsessed with monetizing everything.

>>106465368
It's funny how the people who are most butthurt about companies using BSD are not BSD developers but GPL shills. Literally pic related.

>>106465434
Doesn't prevent people from forking and hosting your code if they keep it available.
This dev doesn't want anyone hosting or even forking his code. No matter if they publish their modifications. AGPL doesn't prevent that.

>>106461420 (OP)
>A privacy-first, no-nonsense, super-fast blogging platform
>open source code (now source-available)
>Can Bear Blog be self-hosted?
>Bear Blog has been built as a platform and not as an individual blog generator. It is more like Substack than Hugo. Due to this it isn't possible to individually self-host a Bear Blog.
So, what the fuck is this project for again? I unironically don't get it. I thought it was going to be a small self-hosted CMS for blogs or something.
It's a huge red flag if a dev can't explain what the project is in a single sentence or a short paragraph.

>>106465695
Why does something big need to be much different than something small? Sounds like creeping featuritis.

>>106465730
I don't care if it's big or small, you should still able to explain what it is.

>>106461556
i mean, you would think that people would have the common decency to not compete with his business because they are already getting the software for free, they can host it for themselves if they want. it makes me sad that we have to distrust other developers like that, aws made jeffing open source projects popular and it's probably too late to stop this transition to a low trust community

>>106461420 (OP)
>https://herman.bearblog.dev/

>>106465368
Yes goy you should make your software for free just like Theo, think of the multibillion dollar companies. You're not antisemitic, right?

>>106465948
BSD is superior, GLP's vulnerable to tricks like when Salesforce conspired with globohomo to oust RMS. Or worse you end up like the Debian founder. With BSD they just take the code and leave you alone.

>>106461420 (OP)
AGPLv3+NIGGER solves this problem.

https://plusnigger.org/

>>106461420 (OP)
this is what you get if you go with a cuck license instead of copyleft

>>106465998
This is truly based.

>>106465897
What's the business model here? It's a free service.
Is he afraid of losing credit if people just self host or does he actually makes money from the data people store on his instance?

>>106466064
Copyleft doesn't stop people from hosting their own instances or forking the code.

>>106466100
He wanted to sell it off. That's the goal of these types of projects these days. Or get a bunch of angel investor money.

>>106466122
That's not a "decent" thing to do.

>>106465897
>transition to a low trust community
It's been like that for 80 years.
>sacrifice everything for greater Israel
>look around and see Jewish society
>how could this happen?
Quintessentially American post.

i never understood the licences thing
like who is enforcing them?
why do I need to obey them?
who will punish me if do whatever I want?
it seems its just dev putting some text and calling it law

>>106466100
>Bear will continue to run as a PTY LTD where the company exchanges some extra add-ons for money
https://herman.bearblog.dev/manifesto/

it's not like this modest business model is going to make them rich, which is why i find it pretty sad that other developers see this as a weakness to be exploited instead of a commendable thing in the spirit of open source. i guess we'll see more agpl and comparable licenses in the future

>>106463791
Well that is how it is. If you want to see how quickly a fresh uni student ditches the commie garbage the professors fill their heads with.
Show them the tax they must pay out of their first barista coffee job paycheck. Socialist shitholes like the Europe pay 20 Euros of tax for the 1 euro of public service they get.

>>106466177
Supposedly the EEF will sue your ass.
But they have never done it and EULA's and other licenses have never really been challenged in a court to that big of a degree.
It is why the Changs and Chinks in China can rip your code, and sell it and you cannot do shit other than have a public melty about it.
What you going to sue XI? He would have you killed before the paperwork ink dried.

wasnt there some drama about the mongodb license and related concepts about hosted services? like the FSF said in order for it to be a free license it CANT force all derived SAAS to also be the same license (which is ironic since youd think endorsing the gpl would mean they always like the strongest language to latch forks in but not in the case of services apparently, I dont know, it kind of confused me)

anyway yeah I dont know why that guy chose the MIT anyway. GPL is more forcefully free, and like I said I think mongodb license is extremely forcefully free and more self replicating so he should have gone with that. I guess elastic search is like that?

>>106466250
if you judge everything by how much use it is to you personally, then yes. in my experience, that personality trait doesn't lead to a very fulfilling life, you'll constantly look at how much others have and fear that they will take it away. learn to give without expecting anything in return and the world doesn't look so bleak anymore. but that's for suckers, right? let's exploit some idealists, that will improve things for sure

>>106461420 (OP)
>Decide to license the software with a cuck license
>People make use of said license
>Hurr durr why people using the software like I intended to be used?!?!?!?
Why are people so utterly braindead?
Like didn't he know if he releases the code as open source, people would fork his code and release it on their own?
Plus, is that mockery of a license even enforceable by law, same shit with all the other source available software?

>>106466195
>government will go to war for your piece of shit software to le protect your rights and imaginary license

>>106466324
i really think its all made up bullshit

>>106466339
>mongodb license is extremely forcefully free and more self replicating
It isn't "more self-replicating" or "free". There have been 0 pieces of unrelated software that have ever been "liberated" by the mongo cock cage. The purpose of these licenses is to prohibit competitors from using it, there's nothing free as in freedom abou it.

>>106461566
>>106461576
>>106461620
>>106461673
>>106461699
Hi mikeusa, what did you have for lunch today?

>Use cuck license
>Get cucked
HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN!?

>>106465368
You might've noticed, there's no money to be made selling a networking stack, but there is money to be made selling operating systems.

Middle ground licenses like MPL always made more sense.

>his pfp
Someone get sharty on the phone, we got one!

>>106466224
>i guess we'll see more agpl and comparable licenses in the future
Nah, GPL is only losing on popularity.
Most people just write code because they like it or because they need some shit fixed/improved and give very little fucks about who uses their code.

>>106466875
GPL doesn't forbid forking your code.

>>106466387
Okay hand over all your money, broke niggers and refugees need it more than you. You will get stale bread and water, they get prime ribeye and foie gras.

>>106461420 (OP)
>MIT License
>I didn't give it much thought
C U C K L I C E N S E
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>>106461420 (OP)
>he fell for MIT license
Lmfao

>>106461420 (OP)
>WHY ARE PEOPLE FORKING THIS!?!?!?
>PRETENDING THAT LITERALLY ANYBODY GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR BLOGGING "PLATFORM"
Holy sneed.

I read a thread about this yesterday on HackerNews and considered asking /g/ what would be the ideal AGPLv3 like license but one that prevents a lazy asshole cloning my repo and hosting a competitor. The bear license is MIT, and I don't want a cuck license.

>>106461699
>>106461654
>he fell for it
Kek

Why are people licensing their code under any license that isn't all rights reserved?

>>106467796
anything +NIGGER, practically speaking. I’m also considering going the extra route and writing a modified AGPLv3 that has an extra clause that says the virality of the base license also applies to using the code as AI/LLM training data because fuck those faggots

>>106467935
>+NIGGER
You do suck a lot of black cocks don't you, anon?

free software will win.

>>106467970
>free software will win.
Yet, Windows and macOS have a bigger marketshare than linux on the desktop.

>>106467965
No. Use https://plusnigger.org/ and the only people forking your python file are other 4shitters and if this board is any indicator the most they’ll do is update the README and logo

>>106468070
>https://plusnigger.org/
>schizoid black dick sucking license
Nah I rather license it as ARR. run my project with an iron fist, so no onions dev can tell me what to do no need for a CoC, no need for anything.

>>106468120
>t. filtered by +NIGGER
nigger is just a word, anon. It’s there specifically to make globocucks flee

>>106463898
I reread it just for you. all it's done is rid me of my remaining respect for you
seethe harder op

>>106466177
Presumably you can go to court : https://www.dlapiper.com/en/insights/publications/2024/03/wakeup-call-for-open-source-users-french-court-awards-damages-for-gpl-violations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_license_litigation

Obviously you need money for that.

>>106461664
It was $20 you ungrateful wretches.
— steve apple

>>106461420 (OP)
MIT isn't retroactive, so older versions of the source code from before he changed the licence will remain free to use and I suspect the community will latch onto a libre fork.

>>106468192
>Rothschild Patent Imaging v. GNOME Foundation (2019 – 2022)
>In 2019, Florida‑based Rothschild Patent Imaging (RPI) filed a patent infringement lawsuit against the GNOME Foundation in relation to user features provided by the Shotwell image organizer.[10]:251–252 More specifically, RPI claimed that Shotwell infringed United States patent US 9936086 said to be directed to the use of WiFi communications to selectively transfer photographic images between a camera and a computer and demanded US$75000 in settlement.[12][13][14] GNOME sought help and was represented by New York law firm Shearman & Sterling on a pro bono basis.[14] The case was resolved by an agreement between the parties in 2020. That agreement provided that any software under an OSI approved license would receive a legal release and covenant to the aforementioned patent and also any other patents owned by Leigh Rothschild or an entity controlled by Rothschild.[14][15] The agreement, however, included a clause that terminated the legal release to any entity that challenged the validity of Rothschild’s patents, and prevented GNOME from disparaging Rothschild. Nevertheless, the claims in patent 9936086 were later subject to a legal re-examination,[16] filed by an entity named Defease Patents,[17] with the final result that every claim of that patent was found to have been improperly granted. The US Patent Office (USPTO) duly issued a certificate canceling all claims in their entirety in 2022.[16][18]

cont.

>>106468241
>The Rothschild modus operandi is to obtain patents, form a number of limited liability companies to hold just a family of patents directed to one area of technology — often based on a group of patents emanating from the same initial patent filing — and then seek a large number of targets to sue. By way of example, RPI had asserted patent 9936086 at least 20 times against other entities before that patent was finally canceled. And before and since, RPI has filed at least 50 lawsuits using related and similar patents to patent 9936086 — similar because they are based on the same original patent application filing as 9936086. Once issued by the USPTO, the merits of a patent can be quite expensive to challenge either through litigation or a procedure called Inter Partes Review — unless a challenger can use the reexamination process (as Defease Patents did) — so the relatively small sums required to settle usually remain individually attractive.[19] The GNOME Foundation instead reacted by launching a counter claim and subsequently pushed Leigh Rothschild, the owner of RPI, to settle for nothing less than the elimination of the Rothschild patent threat from all open source projects.[14]

>Participants and commentators have drawn several lessons from these events. Neil McGovern, executive director of the GNOME Foundation was pleased with the signed agreement and remarked "I felt it was incredibly important to send a message to the entire patent assertion industry that basically you don't go after open source projects. It won't end well for you."[13] Bain and Smith (2022) opine that it remains to be seen "whether the patent litigation against the GNOME Foundation represents an anomaly, or the start of a trend of NPEs (non‑practicing entities) asserting patents directly against [open source] projects themselves".[10]:252

>>106461420 (OP)
>no stylesheets
>view source
>its just been inlined

>>106461664
Donations are tax deductible too, so it really only cost Apple about $3.
See, that's how you become one of the richest companies in the world.

>>106467796
>ideal license but one that prevents a lazy asshole cloning my repo and hosting a competitor
Not sharing your code publicly

>>106465998
Any way to find projects on GitHub using that license?

+NIGGER License
About
The +NIGGER License is a license modifier that requires the inclusion of the word "NIGGER" in the LICENSE file.
Why?
By including the word "NIGGER" in a LICENSE file that must be distributed with the software you will ensure:
The software will not be used or hosted by western corporations that promote censorship
The software will not be used or hosted by compromised individuals that promote censorship
Users of the software will be immune to attacks that would result in censorship of others
How?
Include the following text in any compatible LICENSE file:
The above copyright notice, this permission notice and the word "NIGGER" shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.

bear blog guy is a stupid nigger
total cuck license death
we have magical words for protecting against closed source plundering and it's called AGPL

>>106465185
this guy gets it

>>106461775
Time is going faster, zoomers/alpha aren't living life at the same pace as we did, and the rona demoralized them.

>>106461420 (OP)
>am-i-retarded.gif

>>106466652
but it feels like a logical extension of how the GPL acts. it attaches itself to everything that touches it and everything that touches that. in the case of mongo specifically not just the license I dont even understand why they wanted that even if hindering competitors truly is the desired advantage. is anyone trying to make new DBMSs by forking mongo?
no, this has to be about a cloud service that mongo inc provides, right? which has all the setup that gives simple access to a mongodb server. then if any dev is using that to HOST their own project (like they would with AWS or akamai/linode etc) which may or may not be reliant on mongodb-specific features, they have to license their whole project under the mongo license. but again, HOW is that a competitor? if mongo-cloud is providing dbms and storage, and an app hosted there is providing a forum or something, how is that a conflict? I dont get it, I remember being confused about this months ago too, I DONT GET IT

>>106463749
better yet he violated the terms of the MIT license when he arbitrarily re-licensed it
you cannot re-license other peoples contributions unless they signed a CLA or other copyright-releasing form
theres a reason projects like elastic require you to sign that when submitting PRs

bearblog is a piece of shit

>>106461420 (OP)
>specifically choose a cuck license and avoid the license that addresses your needs exactly (AGPLv3) because jewgle and other megacorps said copyleft bad
>get cucked as expected
tale as old as time

>>106461577
>GPL is dying anyway my fellow hackers
t. jewgle marketing department

>>106461576
RMS is right. a patch is your code, you can license it however you want. it's similar to writing recipes for building software. your recipe can be any license you want
it's not even debatable

>>106461457
kys retard

>>106462585
>GPL is the true cuck license.

>>106468494
neither of you get it
Bear guy was salty about people forking his code, hosting it, and profiting from it; GPL wouldn't have prevented that
specifically, he was salty about people forking his code, only putting in "a few hours of modificication," then hosting it; AGPL would have prevented them from keeping their modifications secret, but if they were the result of "a few hours of modification," what monetary value did they really have?

anyway, the whole attitude that non-copyleft open source licenses are cuck licenses and copyleft licenses aren't is the perspective of people who either can't create anything of value, or if they can, they can't monetize it

>>106461996
>Yet Microsoft integrated entire Linux into their codebase
No they didn't, WSL is just a VM

>>106466116
that can be solved by not making your project open source in the first place, retard

>>106467985
meanwhile
>servers
>cloud
>supercomputers
>embedded
>smartphones
>satellites
are all dominated by the linux kernel

>>106471121
Oh just because it is virtualized instead of linked against then it's all fine.
It's still integrated, it's still a loophole to circumvent GPL. But for some reason many GPLfags see no issue with this. It seems as long as you make a hypervisor then you are free to use GPL code for whatever proprietary project you want lmao

>>106471406
Why are you telling this to me? Tell that to BearBlog dev. He is the one having FOSS identity crisis here.

>>106471478
>Tell that to BearBlog dev.
I don't care enough to find out where he can be reached and I especially won't bother to make an account to do so.

>>106470222
>enter thread
>ctrl+f agplv3
>was not disappointed
checked, anon

>>106470222
>specifically choose a cuck license and avoid the license that addresses your needs exactly (AGPLv3)
Since when AGPLv3 prevents forking?

>>106468494
>we have magical words for protecting against closed source plundering and it's called AGPL
He doesn't want people making open source forks either.

>>106471526
But you care enough to get upset and start throwing insults. Even though your confusion on what that guy even wants in the first place stems from your lack of reading comprehension.

>>106471594
I can throw insults without getting upset just fine, you fig

>>106471618
Sure you do

>>106461879
>>106461891
>>106461914
>3 nearly identical posts 2-3 minutes apart from each other
what a coincidence
Why would you even do this?

>>106469277
It is obviously about selling their managed service or support or whatever these companies usually sell. The intentions are clear, but calling this license "free" is preposterous.
>logical extension of how the GPL acts
It's a restriction on how you can run the modified program. Normal GPL licenses allow you to modify and run the program however you want. The purpose of this license is to forbid others from using the """""free and open source""""" software in certain ways. It is not much different from a regular cancer EULA you have to sign to use any proprietary software that prohibits random shit.
>why they wanted that even if hindering competitors truly is the desired advantage
Because they didn't want to explicitly write "it is forbidden to do this" so instead they wrote "if you do this, you have to (insert such a ridiculously strict condition that's literally the same as writing 'forbidden' in practice)". And they even LARP as """""free and open source""""" and gaslight people into believing this is le good ackchually.
>I DONT GET IT
That's also part of the problem. With regular GPL or permissive software, you never have to worry about arbitrary restrictions, and you know you can't be sued for using it.

>>106465897
>common decency
wake up kid the world is satans domain

>>106471740
Oh shit you got me :(

>>106462585
>>106470469
Sneed
>Unlike the GPL, which requires you to share derivative works, the BSD license doesn’t. You can take FreeBSD code, build on it, and never give anything back. This makes it a great foundation for products — but it also means there’s little reason for companies to return their contributions.
https://freebsdfoundation.org/blog/the-report-of-my-death-was-an-exaggeration/

>>106473631
gpl is statist and created by the statist software foundation, public domain isn't statist therefore public domain is based.

>>106473972
cuck cope

>>106474050
and how do you enforce your gpl or permissive license? use the state? that's statist.

>>106471906
>With regular GPL or permissive software, you never have to worry about arbitrary restrictions, and you know you can't be sued for using it.
You have to worry about that. If you use GPL code in your non-GPL FOSS project you still can have bunch of GPLfags complaining, demanding license changes etc. it's the same kind of cancer as mongodb license.
GPL is incompatible with most popular FOSS licenses and ironically limits what kind of freedoms you can grant the users of your code. It's better avoided in any FOSS project.

>>106461420 (OP)
this is why I put everything I write under SSPL+Nigger

>>106463754
>[sperging intensifies]
Again, you must be 18 years or older to post here.

>>106471958
kek

>>106462715
AGPL3+NIGGER+TRANSRIGHTS+BRAHMINS-OR-LATER+FREEPALESTINE+Z
This should cover everything.

>>106474262
True, but I meant it as a developer for hosting non open-source web applications. Like, if I have MySQL in my stack, which is GPL2, I can rest assured that people won't harass me about that no matter what I do because I don't distribute MySQL. There is nothing in GPL2 that under any circumstances would fuck me over as long as I don't distribute anything linked to it, meaning I am free to RUN the code on anything, even if I modify it.
These new tranny licenses encroach into a territory where I'm not even allowed to run something the way I want to.
But at the end of the day, I agree that if it's a FOSS project, you should absolutely avoid any GPL cancer. It is infuriating when you come across a neat FOSS library or project and it turns out it's pozzed.

>>106461420 (OP)
>i want capitalism
>nooo not competition!
wat
is this motherfucker seriously crying that he can't have a monopoly

>>106473631
cuck license shills BTFO

>>106463130
what a faggot.

>>106465056
>that didn't involve creating and consuming content
Right, that explains the record labels monopoly and holywood that spawned in your generation.

>>106476253
>Right, that explains the record labels monopoly and holywood that spawned in your generation
Wtf do you mean? How exactly does millennials playing outside as kids spawned record labels and Hollywood that were established before they were even born?

>>106461420 (OP)

remember 1960s me neither i was born nearly ten years late

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TECO_(text_editor)