Thread 106464512

Could desktop Linux be fixed if some large company poured millions into it?
Or is it an unsalvageable broken mess at this point?

>>106464512 (OP)
Libre operating systems were better before Red Hat. Back then, everything worked. Now, you have to test everything for compatibility. The UNIX hackers were all gone in 2008.

Maybe SteamOS.

>>106464512 (OP)
Sure, chromeos was fairly polished and its limitations stemmed from intentional design, since they wanted you to use a browser for everything (shit performance was due to cheap hardware, not software). Desktop linux is way cleaner in terms of design than windows, but it's extremely modular instead of being developed as one monolithic whole by a single entity, which is why it can be janky.

>>106464814
>Back then, everything worked.
No the fuck it didn't. You lying TWAT.

Please don't fix it. Normals 'fixed' smartphones and windows and that went horribly.

>>106464512 (OP)
>runs a tech channel
>completely useless around tech

wtf is his problem?

>>106464512 (OP)
no
because the version of linux they didn't pour cash into it will always exist and retards like (you) will use that as proof that it still sucks (then go back to sucking shit out of MSes asshole)

>>106464814
>everything worked
For any value of "everything" lower than or equal to zero, sure.

>>106464913
>>106464996
two weird ass troons

>>106464512 (OP)
Reminder

>>106464926
>fixed windows
???

>>106465134
Elaborate. If you struggle even a tiny bit, you're a faggot!!

>>106465177
Holy fuck

>>106465177
>save link as
Hoyl fuck

>>106465191
By "fixing" he probably meant "making it accessible to stupid people".

>>106464512 (OP)
I'd rather see this happen to Haiku or ReactOS

Help me out here: Define "fixed".

Do you mean lower difficulty/entry level end user software?

I routinely run into Windows issues that are just not present in the linux desktop (say, try moving a taskbar in windows 11).
I can use all my hardware, do all my sysadmining/devops, sync files and play games in my Plasma desktop.

On the other hand, while Windows seems perfect for some users, there are many, many more tech-support horror stories for Windows users (just check a board, group or forum for video cards, for example).

If you've ever worked any tech support or service desk, you already know the big problem seems to be users themselves. In Linux case, looks like most people have a very low skill level, just high enough to use Windows, but too low to run any sort of intermediate technical tasks.

>>106465274
Making windows usable literally takes more tinkering than just installing something like mint these days, like want to not lose your work to automatic updates or not have their useless full of false positives antivirus slow down your pc by randomly by scanning your whole drive for no reason? Need to tinker with the registries and shit and hope to not have to redo it after an update

The most people can ever hope for is one company pouring billions to make 1 aspect good. That's what Valve has done only for video games to sell consoles

There s not a single company on the planet that would befit from having Linux have a good desktop experience. So then for the companies it's the question of does improving our product on linux make us money? How many companies can say yes to that? Valve? Who else?

>>106465274
No. I mean no bullshit issues. No broken system after updating. Everything that reasonably should be working out of the box has to be working out of the box, not after searching for hours for solution and manually installing gigabytes of third-party software. No software compatibility issues.
Linux software should work of Linux OS installed on supported hardware. Period.
Double click and it should just open. Again - no browsing fringe forums in search of solution to the specific distro issue.
I should never see terminal unless I'm a programmer or user of some software where CLI is more convenient than GUI.
Filesystem has to use reasonable and neat naming convention.
No "/etc", "/usr", "/mnt", "/media", "/bin", "/lib", "/dev" bullshit and guessing what goes where and why.
Thumbnails in the file browser.
Drag-and-drop working everywhere where it should.
Fonts are supposed to be rendered clearly. Not a blurry ugly mess it currently is.
Sound has to work. No breaking, no clicking, no popping It has to automatically chose the right output device.
Not playing through my speakers when headphones are connected.
Proper power management. No fans at full blast 24/7 or battery going to 0% after one hour of use.
And so on...

>>106465374
Maybe OEMs could benefit by avoiding paying for windows licenses and having to meet the requirements microsoft forces on them, but people who are retarded enough to need a preinstalled OS would be very hard to make linux usable for anyway, they can barely use windows to begin with despite having a lot more experience with it accumulated

>>106465196
Back then everything from the free software movement worked. Now only the ancient stuff from the free software movement works.

>>106465323
>just installing something like mint
It's funny how the PoopOS shills from years past gave way to Mint shills.
Hopefully you'll find the same path to the exit.

fedora atomic already fixes most of the issues and universal blue made everything accessible and streamlined

>>106465177
Jesus christ lord have mercy on my soul.

>>106465694
Why the fuck this GIF looped fine before but now it doesn't?

>>106465660
I don't actually prefer mint for myself, but it's true that for the normies that can barely even use windows to begin with it can actually be easier than windows. Not that all these efforts to make distros that can be used by the lowest common denominators will ever actually get those people to switch to linux, even just trying out something different than what they already use is already too scary for those people

>>106465772
Linus has already proved himself to be retarded enough before that it's hard to distinguish when he's just pretending to be retarded about something as a joke or whatever

>>106465772
You overestimate his braincell

>>106464512 (OP)
>tfw you give apt permission to remove the DE
linux still requires a brain to operate. I'm not so sure that's a bad thing.

Sent from my Legion 7 running Fedora KDE

>>106464512 (OP)
>Could desktop Linux be fixed if some large company poured millions into it?
so Valve?

>>106465904
>save link as
>not save file as
>speaks like a pseudo-intellectual to own tech literate people in order to defend a PC builder

>>106465904
>being this stupid
astonishing

>>106465967
I'm literally doing hardware description as a job, nigger. Kys

>>106465904
>computers should be built so they do what I want when I slam my head into the monitor

>>106464512 (OP)
>Could desktop Linux be fixed if some large company poured millions into it?
>Or is it an unsalvageable broken mess at this point?
Google did, called it android, now worth billions.
Then did it again, called it chromebooks, now worth billions

>>106465943
>>106465983
>literal link to file name
>you click "save as..."
>it saves it as HTML anyway because our current shitty software can't handle anything else
>people in this thread accept it to feel superior about themselves while literally having slave minds - "it has to work like that because authority figure told me so and I blindly accepted it".

>>106466015
>>106466077

>>106464512 (OP)
Canonical, Red Hat, SUSE, Valve, Google already pour millions into it.

>>106466300
So, why is it still broken?

>>106466077
It's not a link to the file retard if you click it takes you to the github preview of the file so you can read it before downloading it and other things, the download button is right there

>>106464512 (OP)
sun microsystems did that. then everything got thrown away and replaced with poetteringware. the use case for interfaces not changing every three months is having an ecosystem of third party components

>>106466355
Because these companies may fund development but they still lack authority to control it outside their own projects. When they do manage to exert some control towards improvement (systemd, wayland, snaps, ostree, etc) they get screeched at

>terminal says he's about to delete his DE and asks if he really wants to do it
>doesn't read the warning and just says yes
>Linux does exactly what he told it to do
>"wtf why doesn't Linux work? it deleted my desktop?"

>>106466300
the rest don't care all that much about the desktop, but the only explanation for canonical is pure incompetency

>>106466453
>Yes, the OS should protect users from catastrophic actions.
That's why the warning is there, dumbass. Nothing is stoping you from deleting system32 on Windows, so does that mean that Windows isn't user friendly now?

>>106465904
>From an objective point of view, 'save link as' should work like that.
'Save link as' should save the link, probably as a bookmark in your browser. Objectively, you're dumb if you expect saving a link to save some kind of file.

>>106466381
>sun microsystems did that
Did what, go bankrupt?
They weren't doing anything with Linux.

>Could desktop Linux be fixed if some large company poured millions into it?
Canonical develops Ubuntu and it's a pretty solid desktop OS, and likewise Google develops ChromeOS which is based on Gentoo (though they're shifting towards basing it off of Android if I remember right), and ChromeOS is pretty good too.
>but they don't work on my brand spanking new gayming PC
They're not developed for that purpose. Ubuntu is primarily for office use and normies who don't game, and ChromeOS is likewise mostly for office use and normies who only consume movies and music.

Linux is perfectly fine if you actually understand what people use it for instead of turning it into something it's not.

>>106465177
this is edited, there is no fucking way lmao

>>106466001
i see, how is tech support hell treating you

>>106464512 (OP)
>Could desktop Linux be fixed if some large company poured millions into it?
Shut up. Shut the FUCK up. Stop fucking posting, you retarded piece of shit.
Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.

>>106466543
They also have no professional software at all beyond MS Office-type stuff at all. Pretty worthless for anybody who actually has a use for computers. Mac mogs them. (Though Mac itself is lacking in some fields, Autodesk cucked them for example)

>>106466576
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E8IGy6I9Wo&t=322

>>106464512 (OP)
>if some large company poured millions into it?
They already do. Fake-contrarian troonix shitters need to stop trying to spin it any other way
https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members
>>106466300
You forgot to mention Microsoft, the biggest funder of troonix.

>>106466700
hahahaha fucking retard
this is good though, the less gaymer crowd using linux the better.

>>106466187
Lol, I don't even webdev at all, my major is in automation, and all I know is MatLab, C and Verilog. Go and jump off a cliff, shillnigger.

>>106466601
So good, because my job is not coddling stupid retards like you, the OP baiter and >>106465967 and his 100 mentally ill replies.

>>106464512 (OP)
Canonical's the closest we have to this and they suck.

>>106464512 (OP)
desktop linux is great. stop being a dumbass.

>>106466381
trinity means 3 dummy

>>106465177
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS THAT FONT

>>106464943
>>106464943
>plays a special forces operator in a film
>cannot execute a complex hostage rescue mission in the tora bora caves