Thread 106466235

This shit can't be allowed to continue
https://marylandmatters.org/2025/09/01/why-prices-are-soaring-in-the-countrys-largest-grid-region-explained-in-5-charts/

that's right - but you're on /g/.

technology has been demanding more & more of the planet for years, draining it of its natural resources.

everybody here worships this very same evil, and the ruling class will continue to draw everybody along with their carrot on a string.

Don't worry it will.
Not only will your property taxes and water and electricity rates go way up, you'll be forced to deal with bitcoin mining ops buying up single family houses to have more space for their mining operations and you'll be blasted with 90dB industrial data center ambient noise 24 hours a day

>>106466235 (OP)
why not link data center construction approval to 'adequate electrical generation capacity'?

I thought the extreme energy hungry AI datacenters have to plan it out with the local government and energy providers in addition to building their own nuclear plants

>>106466235 (OP)
it's fine the free market will create more power generating capacity and prices will actually be lower than before due to various efficiencies. also if you find these prices unaffordable you can negotiate with the electric company and command lower prices so even if you end up paying more you'll come out ahead in the long run.

>>106466235 (OP)
Not everyone needs the heaviest, highest-end AI models that consume a bajiggawatt of power for everyday tasks.

>>106466375
yes, they get cheap electricity and preferred zoning thinking they're creating jobs but all they're doing is emitting waste heat and noise

>>106466375
i think permitting and zoning and things like that are mostly for the sake of greasing bureaucrat dipshit palms and, if there are children associated with the project (like building an apartment complex), ensuring that the schools won't be overwhelmed. the 65 IQ criminal retards who make up city governments really couldn't care less about a project raping the power grid because it's private infrastructure anyways.

>>106466235 (OP)
This isn't a problem in Europe. Turns out nationalizing core infrastructure was a smart move.

>>106466443
then why is our electricity in Europe more expensive than in the US?

>>106466466
It's not, but also you fags blew up one of our pipelines to further push your war with Russia.

>>106466466
gotta pay for your socialized healthcare anon

>>106466235 (OP)
Use case for all these highly expensive data centers? Genuinely asking. Will they all get shut down once the AI bubble pops?

>>106466476
>It's not
care to provide a source, retard?

>>106466513
>Will they all get shut down once the AI bubble pops?
AI bubble popping != LLMs going away. It's time to face that facts tht Copilot, Claude, ChatGPT, etc are never going away. They all have real value use cases and are now well ingrained even in corpo land.

Only thing AI bubble popping affects is research.

>>106466476
to be honest
has fuck all to do with the actual costs

its more expensive bc muh war in jewcraine.
thats it.
distributors decided they should get paid.

back of the envelope calculation yields that more money has been made on electricity than has been spent on the war by both sides combined.
explains alot about the war, doesnt it?explains why its in the interest of everyone to prolong it as much as possible

>>106466520
>China cheaper than the US
That means China is superior to the US, right?

>>106466557
no, it was more about burgers complaining about their electricity price when they're paying about 1/2 on average of what we pay in europe

>>106466354
As a Chuddha, I believe that all games stopped being developed in 2015, all OS and software stopped progressing in 2015 and while hardware from 2015 is a bit too slow, 2020 hardware is sufficient, with the Steam Deck being the only device made in the past 5 years to be an improvement somehow over the past iteration ( intel CPUs are rust shit, Nvidia GPUs are crap, AMD GPUs are good but you do not need the latest, smartphones are all stucked in 2022 and so on... )

I do actually wholeheartedly believe that humanity can just just have stopped progressing 10 years ago in terms of tech and noone would have noticed.

It is modern scam shit like AI and scam GPUs that drive this destructive tech advancement. If ecologists have the balls to do anything they would be doing terrorists' attacks on Nvidia factories and AI Data centers. Sadly most eco fags are women or fags, so there will never ever be any action taken.

>>106466534
>They all have real value use cases and are now well ingrained even in corpo land.
I'm not denying this, but it might be very overstated. And some day it might actually become a question of profit, I don't think current AI systems fare very well at all on that front.

>>106466585
The research aspect, sure. The actual service being sold? no.

>>106466557
Where on that image does it say what colors are cheaper?
Not saying your interpretation is wrong I'm saying its an unsourced map without a key explaining what it means.

>>106466520
Not him, but a big part of why Italy is so high is because of taxes. Other countries might spread out their taxes in different ways and end up taxing business similarly but without showing up as radioactive blue on that map.
Italy does have high base prices too, because of no nuclear plants, and it has high taxes and sucks in many other ways, but don't trust those colors too much.

>>106466235 (OP)
lol I just watched videos on this type shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN6BEUA4jNU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ2tqs_vksc

Supply and demand :^) What are you, a commie? What are you, poor? Time to pay up, chuddie :^)

On-site nuclear reactors when?

>>106466235 (OP)
We need to send a time traveler to stop the AI boom from taking place courtesy of NVIDIA and the government so we don't have to deal with the surveillance state wet dream being fulfilled.

>>106466235 (OP)
YOU THOUGHT CORPOS WERE GOING TO FOOT THE BILL FOR ELECTRICITY?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH YOU ARE DUMBER THAN YOU LOOK NERD

>>106466375
Why do all that when they can just pay a few politicians 1M each and have the taxpayer and environment foot the bill?

What do these retarded data centers even do? Do people really need all this? Why are they building these giga facilities instead of on premises?

>>106466354
>technology has been demanding more & more of the planet for years
It really hasn't. Most stuff has gotten dramatically more efficient and clean in the past 20 years. The AI shit is what's causing this.

>>106468380
its not 1M each its a short trip to Israel and having dinner. They are that fucking cheap.

>>106466356
Sounds like when they legalized weed

>>106466356
bitcoin has a hard cap on cost via the mining difficulty. AI and VCs do not
getting squeezed in your fucking energy markets, kek americans. can't be any happier with the diffusion rule right now

>>106466235 (OP)
This was purely because they had a queue of a couple years for adding capacity on the grid.

americans now have to pay the same for electricity as yuros

>>106466235 (OP)
>$269.92/MWd = $0.011/kWh
Wow, they're only having to pay 10% of what normal people do instead of 1%. Cry me a river, AI niggers.

>>106466235 (OP)
So in other words, they deliberately keep supply low so they can jack up the price and justify it with "it's just because of the demand bro"?

When there are brownouts this summer, 100% guarantee that it will be blamed on Global Warming and not on the electricity these data centers consume. Also have noticed that the tech companies that used to be very big into finger waging and virtue signaling about how green they are have suddenly stopped talking about that type of thing at all.

>>106466235 (OP)
This is because fusion is actually really close to be completed, for real this time. Before it goes live, they want to squeeze as much money as possible.

>>106466354
Look at the graph nigger. You can’t tell year 2023 from 2016. You can only see 2024 being significant increase and then 2025 being enormous increase. This is AI training and giving every nigger free trial for expensive AI.

>>106466513
The bubble is already popping or popped few days ago. The truth is that just like how internet survived .com bubble and only small dumb competitors went bancrupt, AI research will go forward unharmed by the bubble. The only losers will be smaller companies that put ChatGPT wrappers into places where it didn’t make sense to appease retarded investors. Oh and also your retired grandparents because their retirement fund will be the one to pull out the last from the investment bubble pop, and then also being the last one who invests back into those companies during a rebound.

>>106466568
Governments would just label them as terrorists equal to any Islamist group and do military crackdown on them. Lot of those factories are considered important on a national level so government would do the Cold War excuse “if we won’t build trillion useless GPUs to train AI slop, then China will beat us” and make talking about global warming illegal. Besides eating meat and driving cars is still worse for the environment and you will never convince normalfags to not do those or to make local government make public transport options without wasting 95% of the budget in corruption or accounting. California can’t even build a single high speed rail because of how unimaginably corrupt the US is.