Thread 106468017

32gb of ram is normie tier now, I will have to move to 64gb cause I don't wan't to be part of the plebs.

>>106468017 (OP)
>I will have to move to 64gb
Mac users don't have this problet

>>106468017 (OP)
eh running extremely lower ram amounts than normal in the era can also be patrician, since plebs wouldn't manage to make it work with their bloated software. I could live fine for most work with a 701c thinkpad if I could buy one

>>106468044
Yes, they just buy a entire new computer every time they need to upgrade anything

Hold on... slashdot is still up?

>>106468101
could a macfag that somehow despite being a macfag was smart enough to desolder and solder ram chips upgrade the ram that way in theory? or do they even block stuff like that by firmware now

>>106468169
In older x86 models yes, but M1 macs and up you can't, because the memory is directly integrated into the CPU/GPU chip.
You have to buy the memory quantity you want from the get go, and pay the apple premium for that.

>>106468169
The RAM and NAND chips are swappable. They would need cooperation from Micron to lock those down further and it would affect cost and yield. Mere inconvenience is enough to prevent soldering from being a realistic profit eater. I would imagine there are shops dedicated to it all over China and Mongolia though.

>>106468201
>directly integrated into the CPU/GPU chip
Does that look like the same chip to you fucktard? They're just packaged together, and they're connected to the substrate via BGA. It's barely any harder than swapping a chip on a PCB.

>>106468017 (OP)
>been using 64gb since 2016
fuck, now i have to upgrade to 128gb to ward off the plebs
ill have to upgrade to am5 and ddr5 when 64gb becomes common to get to 256gb...

>>106468210
I've read about BGA reflowing the storage chips for aftermarket upgrades (though it requires a hot air station and a surgeon's hands), is that even possible for the RAM itself? Do they not use fuses or something un-alterable to store RAM capacity?

>>106468210
Indeed.
But can you swap the chips?
I only found this:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fP672ySsxxM

could someone please post the box for literally any gen made with forge so I can check the tiled VAE thing

>>106468017 (OP)
Oh wow computers meant for games have a lot of RAM, who would think holy shit. Retards like you is why everything is so bloated. KyS.

>>106468383
Computers for actual serious work need more memory than games.
Shit like video editing, running the visual studio without getting itself fucked, science shit..

>>106468383
Based

>>106468201
the unified memory is there reason why even after 5 years is not a SINGLE competitor to even the M1 (one) pro, let alone the 4 and soon 5

how has ddr5 failed so bad? you can get 128gb ddr4 for the price of like 32gb ddr5 and the speed is basically the same. it's been years. and apparently ddr5 can't handle more than two sticks, the motherboards technology is just no there. after 5 years.
moure's law is truly dead?

>>106468101
Honestly, I never upgraded my computers anyways, I'd build a new one from scratch every 5 years, simply buying a new mac every 5 years is also fine.

>>106468420
Who cares about serious work, most people just want to browse internet, watch some series or listen to music.

4 ram sticks>? like we had for decades? no. no longer possible. we dont have the technology anymore.
they have 5 years to solve this, but too difficult if not impossible

>>106468488
Intel Core 200 series is pretty damn good.

>>106468420
Gotta love how 99% of /g/ magically becomes video editors the second you question their purchasing decisions.
No, you are not a video editor just because you watch Linus Racemixing tips and AMDNexus.

>>106468222
why does it have to keep doubling? going from 64GB straight to 128 sounds kinda insane.

>>106468017 (OP)
Gamers are retarded and gay, so dont't care plus gaiming it's just a waste of time and money

>>106468094
Based. Almost ditto, but the 701c is a bit too extreme for me. X41 - easily.

>>106468691
96GB is a satanic number

>>106468640
I'm in the visual studio spectrum of "using a fuckton of memory".
Of course 50% it's because i'm retarded and make shit that explodes in 29GB of memory usage due some bad line, but there are legit cases for a bunch of memory use too.

>>106468583
The main problem with DDR5 is that we were already running into signal integrity walls with DDR4 but didn't do anything different the next go round. The memory chips are fine, the problem is that they're gazillion miles away from the CPU. When they're right next to the CPU you get incredible results. That's where literally all of the M1 performance comes from. Only being able to handle two sticks is because of signal integrity. Shitty latency is partly because of signal integrity. Not even managing to 2x the bandwidth is signal integrity. The IBM PC came out 44 years ago, maybe it's time we re-thought where we put the memory in a computer.

>>106468598
This. Most people aren't editing videos and unless you are in a line of paid work editing videos, then it's not serious work. 0.026% of the global population are 'content creators'. Most people want to check email, chat, browse the web, play music, download music / videos (if the aren't zoomers) , torrent, watch videos, check the weather, check crypto prices, read the news, listen to podcasts and even for acutal work - word processing, spreadsheets - and now of course talk to AI. All of these things can be done all at the same time - with the correct OS and skill level - for no more than 1.5GB of RAM. RAM is for gaymers and bloat.

>>106468017 (OP)
Hey dumbfuck consooomer you don’t need more that 8GB

>>106468017 (OP)
>tfw I'm still on 4GB

>>106468691
The most practical reason aside from Adobe programs requiring cache space, which you do not want the writes for going to SSD, but can substitute RAM as storage using osfmount, is to store/run VMs entirely in memory. Why would you want to do this? I'll let you figure it out.

>>106468728
reminds me of modern web dev
i've been trying to explain to my coworkers that if you put the database on the same machine as the server that is seving requests, you can get 100x lower latency
but no, we need replicated sharding bullshit across 5 regions for an app that serves like a 1000 users a day. so every database query is a network request across countries and 20 different computers. fine. then don't ask me to spend time on postgres optimizations when your deployment architecture is retarded.

>>106468728
>maybe it's time we re-thought where we put the memory in a computer.
And let me guess, replacing it with more locked down, less consumer friendly, unupgradable and unrepairable crap.
No. Fuck off and fuck you.

>>106468810
indians are making websites, we need more now.

>>106468598
Then use a smartphone.

>>106468017 (OP)
That makes literally zero sense, schizo.

>>106468605
more sticks required lower frequency literally always

>>106468691
because you need two sticks for dual channel and weird capacities hardly ever exist, though 96 GB is one of the current exceptions with 2x48 GB sticks

:3c

>>106468153
Slashdot is still running on the same Pentium with 32 MB of RAM in CmdrTaco's closet next to his dildo shelves.

>>106469261
No reason we couldn't use CAMM. You're chimping out over something I didn't say. Although frankly if we do all end up with memory under the IHS I don't think it'll be a huge deal. Memory requirements haven't really increased in a decade, twice as long as most computers last. And it's easy to imagine being able to add a PCIe expansion card with more but different memory. GPU drivers already deal with that after all.

>>106468605
IDK this is over blown IMO. Maybe intel problem?
Ryzen 7900 and a 9900. Both servers with 4 sticks. 64gb and 128gb both at 6000mhz never had a problem.

>>106468017 (OP)
still on 16GB, which tier am i?

>>106470151
>PCIe expansion card with more but different memory
We have that, it's called your NVME SSD. If you just need more memory and don't care how slow it is make a huge swap file. This is actually preferable to getting 4 sticks for a lot of use cases since your stuff that is in RAM will be faster. Actually for basically all uses except gaming it's better to just make a big swap file. AI image generation for example a fuck ton of the memory is only ever actually written to once.

>>106468017 (OP)
people still go to slashdot?

>>106468488
>>106468201
They're arm chips, don't use shitty apple branding.

Also the mac memory is fast. macbooks are solid

>>106470258
>They're arm chips
Reductionist to the point of being wrong, they have extra instructions for crypto and x86 compatibility, you can't get an ISA-compatible chip from Qualcomm or anything.
>macbooks are solid
But you have to use macos.

>>106470274
macOS is the best OS so that's another benefit.

>>106468383
>32gb
>a lot
lmao

As soon as DDR4 is cheap again I'm buying 2x64GB. Samsung, please.

>>106470195
Slashdot boomer

>>106468605
This is what happens when everyone jumps on Gaymd. Intel chads never had to worry about trashy IMCs and now GAYmd can't support more than 2 sticks without shitting and pissing. I hate you faggots so fucking much.

>>106468017 (OP)

mark steam user data

steam user possibly more enthusiastic than normie

>>106469813
Posting from my 7 cores 19 threads Intel i7-K435 with 61GB of RAM

>>106468605
this has always been the case for 2dimm per channel setups, not a ddr5 problem