Thread 106469786

How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide

>/iemg/'s Blog/Wiki (Archive, Books & Papers, Music Editorial, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/

>Frequency Response Graph Tool
squig.link

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18
• Tanchjim Bunny (Mild U) - $20
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• Kiwi Ears Cadenza (Mild V) - $35

>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28
• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8
• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) $18
• Tanchjim Stargate II (8-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

Previous Thread: >>106438845

>eq """guide""" out
>techs back in
maybe
just maybe
we are coming back...

Reject EQ.
Embrace natural sound.

>>106469758
>>106469762
editor, add Hydro to your shopping guide.

Tempted to get pic related
I want something small but without the shitty chink UX.

>>106469836
price? also have you looked into snowsky echo mini?

>>106469845
They go for like $15
As I said I don't want to deal with chinky UI/UX

>>106469833
gazettezo or shoppingzo

>>106469833
i don't give a fuck what you think about it. show 8BAs and what frequency response they cover. real simple.

>Removed epz
Poo thread

>>106469876
I don't have the measurements for that. You're ignorant and pompous as fuck if you're willing to be that quick to dismiss what's not even my thoughts on it, but general consensus/everyone else's experiences. YOU don't know shit about fuck if you surmise "decorative". help me to help you, faggot

just a reminder that Arisu is a IEM

>>106469900
>general consensus/everyone else
brown people and poor SEA buy their iems. i can entirely disregard all of their thoughts

>>106469900
driver crossover is very simple and there is a reason. so that the drivers cover certain frequencies. if they aren't doing that, they are decorative, in other words, non-functional.

>>106469900
you can be helpful by finding if they are working or not, easily proven by measurements. otherwise, sincerely don't give a fuck about anything you say

might have to remove the shopping guide next thread too, it really sucks ass

I just buy whatever's $0 on Aliexpress, it's like those "choose your price" things except for physical items pic unrelated

>>106469973
Awww is chuddy sad nobody likes his suggestions? :( Does chuddy need uppies? It's okay chuddy I won't let the meanie anons hurt your feelings :3

>>106470022
no u

>>106469933
I know what crossovers are. hydro is kz's most complete set, no reason to question whether their drivers are functioning
>>106469957
if they were non-functioning, it would be widely known by now. learn to relax

>>106470109
learn to contribute something useful

>>106470113
yes, like writing a six million word guide that nobody has ever read

>>106470113
coming from you, piss poor attitude and bitch, bitch, bitch. suggesting pos shouldn't have to come with teardowns and measurements of specific drivers, you can go fuck yourself for demanding that, out of a simple suggestion.
you fuckers really have no self-awareness, it's sickening.

>>106470109
>would be widely known
all of the companies previous faked driver setups, revisions, etc. are all known precisely because somebody bothered to check.
you are explicitly saying: don't bother to check.
beyond stupid.

>>106470199
beyond stupid would be you making it incumbent on me to give you that very specific info and defacto assuming their drivers are le fake because you didn't get your way. beyond stupid would be to say stupid shit first, before demanding proof otherwise.

get fucked asswhipe, take a mydol

none of KZ's BAs work, bros! it's a whole scam!

>>106470249
still jamming my ZSN Pros

>>106470225
>very specific info
very relevant info to determine if a company is lying to consumers, as has been their modus operandi for years.

>>106470264
unacceptable! those BAs are whack!

>>106470272
have ZEX

>>106470264
You're only jamming because the BAs there don't work. If they were real you wouldn't be jamming.

your mistake was assuming they did it for their flagship. big no-no

None of KZ drivers are real, there's just a tiny rat squeaking inside.

>>106470270
>>106470285

>>106470299
Then why does my PR1 sound pretty good hooked up to my speaker amp using a 3.5mm extension cord with the other end scissored off

I got my ZSN Pro the day after I got my refund (took like 2 months) now I just use the refund to knock off the last dollar of other IEMs to make the total $0

Even when I get scammed it's like I always scam them back double idk how I'm getting away with it. IEMs are literally free

>>106469786 (OP)
Good afternoon cunts

I was recommended a Fosi DS2 DAC to pair with my phone so I could drive higher impedance headphones when not using my IEM. So I searched up online and there is both a Fosi DS2 and a Fosi DS2 DSD512 on ChinkExpress, the difference being one uses a ESS9018K2M DAC chip and the other, a CS43131. Chinkexpress also lists the first chip output power on the balanced jack as 510 MW@ 32 Ohms for the DSD512 and 170 MW @32 Ohms on the regular DS2.

My question is, is this some chinkery happening or is there actually such a product by fosi? Should I even consider the other one ?

>>106470314
Pretty good... for a rat.

>>106470350
they only differentiated by calling the dual cs43131 version "(2024)" for some places. the one using ess is an older model.

>>106470350
>DSD512
holy cow im totally going so fast oh fuck

>>106470350
The ess version is real but it's supposed to be 250mW balanced.

>>106470314
If you're running anything from any kind of amp it's completely over.

>>106470444
Checked. Gonna get a $4 IEM to celebrate your trips and pay $0 for them

>>106470374
But is it better ?
>>106470415
Listing says 510 and other places online too.


Overall, what do you guys think I should do ? The older model (if it even is an older one) looks better on paper if I am being honest, unless you guys think my IEMs would suffer more on the 3.5 and the benefits on the 4.4 for headphones (in my case 300 ohms at 4 V) just aren’t worth it.

>>106470598
ESS usually has higher noise floor than CS but should still be pretty good, might matter for sensitive IEMs. But there's an ongoing controversy of CS chips having clicks from switching their power states and ESS chips having a raise in IMD at medium power. The audibilty is dubious. A coin toss honesty. Personally I'd get ESS. I'm using e1da 9039s for headphones and es9280c for IEMs.

>>106469786 (OP)
>one ear became quieter than the other, maybe a dirty membrane
>/iemg/: nooo if you clean you damage it, literally go buy another pair for 500€ with replaceable membranes
>clean with a q tip and a bit of alcohol
>it just works
Second time it happens to my cheap-ass IEMs (Salnotes Zero), works just fine. Reminds me to listen to anon less.

So what happened? Why is everyone here sound mentally ill suddenly?

I love my Moondrop Chu 2. I enjoy the mud.

Thousand Yuan Acoustic Architecture

Above 80% vertical depth with at least 90% of sound field cohesion, and they say you cant measure soundstage.

>>106470945
holy kek

>>106470827
Foxzo unlocked lament configuration and everyone got raped by cenobites.

>>106470827
suddenly?

>>106470828
Yeah. Chu 2 has pretty cheap-sounding bass. That's why I knock it back a peg in EQ. Mids and treble is ok but the build quality and comfort is FUKKEN superb.

>>106471945
my impressions:
>bass
bloated, but gives massive body to the sound which I enjoy in some songs
>mids
recessed, but ear gain is intact and that's what matters the most, so yeah, it's OK
>treble
perfect counter to the mud: sparkly, airy, like it has its own life, it's quite detailed too
>build quality
for $20 it's amazing
>comfort
not exactly my thing, I always have issues with chu 2's fit, but not to the point of making it sound bad

>>106470598
ESS DS2 user here. just get either or. they both do the thing.

any iem recommendations that are close to the etymotic target, besides etymotics themselves?
I already have an ER2SE, ER3XR and ER4SR so I know I like how they sound. But I want to buy normal IEMs that aren't deep insertion but still sound similar. I don't mind if they have a little sub-bass boost if it's to a similar degree as the XR etmotics, but not much more to where it's distracting.

>>106472263
budget? look into Hexa or Olina SE

Any good IEMs yet?

>>106472967
of course not, audio isn't real

>>106472263
The deep insertion is what makes the treble smooth. Going with shallow fits will bring up the length modes to 6-9k, and most stuff isn't that damped, so they stand out a lot. You'd better look at truthear pure as it's more damped than hexa

>>106473067
Forgot le pic

has anyone removed the little mesh grills on their IEM? Mine keep getting clogged by small amounts of earwax which ruins sound quality. I kinda wonder if they'd be better off with no grill in them.

>>106473219
That is the damper taming down the driver's resonances. If you remove the filter, it'll be much brighter.

>>106473252
I'm not familiar with the term brightness with audio, I guess sounds could be more high pitch and annoying at times. it's just as it is now they clog up within a few days on these GATEs. They wouldn't be damaged by it being removed, right? Like the wax falling in and touching something?

>>106473286
just remove them when they get clogged for the time being. order a set of like 50 or so replacement meshes and you'll be fine.

>>106472967
Fox IEM, endgame.

>>106473286
filters have a purpose.
they tune the sound, and try to prevent
>wax falling in
exactly.

>>106473444
they gunk up and muffle your audio, and are often uncleanable because they use a disposible sticky ring that fucks up if removed

>>106473471
they can be replaced for pennies, rather than allowing your gunk to destroy the internals

>>106470444
>>106470544
Checked
>>106470827
Hormone imbalance from mismanaged estrogen dosing
>>106470945
If I can't measure it, it doesn't exist. Soundstage and God are not real until I can post the sine waves on a tibetian drive-in theater enthustiasts consortium for nobody to read or interpret scientifically

>>106473605
nta but where do you get them?

I bought a 2nd pair of Gatos because I fucked up my last pair, and I totally forgot how normal it sounds stock. It's always nice when the only EQ you have to do is a bass shelf. I've never had headphones with such an agreeable tuning.

>>106474616
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide#iem-maintenance-filters

How is Nora compared to Origin? Sidegrade, downgrade?

>>106470828
I remember being pleasantly surprised by the original Chu when I got it but every pair I got ended up clogged under a week
The Chu 2 gave me no real impression. Neither good nor bad, it just sounds boring and I'm not sure why

>>106475203
This is very weird because when I first got the first chu I liked them, they never clogged and the only thing that failed was their crappy cable.
The chu 2 however clogged after the first week, what a piece of trash

>>106475093
same thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI0L_2D1cxs
have some content besides "shill x product"

>>106477175
Mogged by the EQ guide.

>>106469786 (OP)
>>106477188
>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Case Studies, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/
thanks for reminding me

Just ordered a Surfans F20 as an upgrade from my old Shanling M0

>>106469901
You're a VERY silly boy! VERY silly! :3

>>106477226
why F20?

So, not sure where to post this, but this is the Nothing Ear bluetooth set. I originally bought their open-air set for running and it works great.

But then I bought this and it's better than all the fucking IEMs I've tried. And it's not even close. Over fucking bluetooth.
Why are these so good? Does anyone here know what technology they used in these? I'm guessing the driver responds faster because they sound way, way more detailed than even audiophile stuff. Maybe they use some kind of processing to mess with the waveform input, like some kind of sharpening technique? Why is it so detailed? Anyone know?

>>106477252
Good price (got it for 80 euros), more (?) physical buttons, Rockbox compatibility, I like the form factor.
The M0 did give me good mileage but the wheel/crown started to give input for both directions (turn volume up and it will go up a bit, then down a bit, then up again etc). And generally I wanted something with as little touchscreen as possible while still having usb c and a nice form factor (M0 I found way too small in the end)
Having a dedicated line out is nice too because I often hook the player up to my mixer or multi-fx for backing tracks for Guitar and such.

Should I have gotten something else?

>>106477343
fit, tws use DSP (EQ).
congrats, you're hearing what eq can do.

>>106477345
if you enjoy it, there's no reason to suggest anything else, desu. I was just curious. I personally wouldn't go the pmp route since my dongle deserves getting as much mileage out of it as possible

>>106477553
Now to be fair, this isn't a conclusive opinion on it yet or anything since I don't have it yet. Just my reasoning behind the purchase.
Generally I really like PMPs because I like separation of concerns and battery and because I can take it with me when I'd rather leave my phone at home and such. Also just disk space concerns.
Do you use your dongle/DAC on the phone?

>>106477343
>I'm guessing the driver responds faster
wrong
it just means its tuning fit well with your preference and HRTF

driver speed believers
in 2025
post eq guide era
yikes

>>106477343
>more detailed than even audiophile stuff
such as?

>>106469786 (OP)
Newfag here. I'm no audiophile by any means so feel free to ignore my post and/or call me a retard. I ended up buying the Tanchjim bunny (type-c), and I'm a bit dissapointed. They feel "bland", so I tried messing around with the EQ presets from the official app to make them sound slightly less boring. I ended up using the default preset to everything turned to zero, combined with the dirac sound enhancer thingy my old shitphone has for a more "punchy" sound, which makes it sound better. Again, it's probably a me problem, and the default sound isn't bad, just not what I expected. I just bought the first iem I saw from the budget list in your OP and trusted your audio autism, so I guess I should have done more research beforehand. Thanks for reading my blog. Also, the anime mascot card bent a bit, fuck.

>>106477669
pc and phone

>>106477925
just add a simple bass shelf via their app

>>106477702
preference tuning/hrtfs ≠ how drivers behave.

anyone have any iem recs to use specifically with a pioneer dj controller? my current ones are cheap and bad and i get a lot of bleeding from the main audio i shouldnt hear.

>>106478067
the drivers behave like shit on the nothing ear, thank god for eq

>>106477702
I don't think it's the tuning. Generally I like bass (I prefer speakers over any earphones in general), but for these what gets me is that I can hear the vocals and lyrics better, more precisely what the singer is trying to say and the different sounds they're making with their mouth, better than any other unit I've ever seen. I mean, these are the same songs I've heard on at least 40 different speakers, earphones, headphones, playing in the mall, etc.

>>106477783
Any over-ear headphones (though I've always preferred in-ears), also for in-ear it's better than the sennheiser momentum, apple pods, klipsch bluetooths, meze alba, linsouls, and both my truthears (which are my favorite wired IEMs so far otherwise).

>>106477356
Not sure I entirely understand what TWS and DSP are doing in terms of processing the signal that's sent over bluetooth, but I'm guessing the bottom line is that they're doing it better, or at least in a way that the driver can use better. Is there a next step or upgrade for earphones that use this kind of new tech? I googled those two acronyms and saw the Final ZE8000, but those have mixed reviews, and the Hifiman Svanars but $500 is not what I wanna spend yet

>>106478067
stfu pleb
I don't care about your chatGPT "knowledge"

>>106478141
>I don't think it's the tuning.
wrong, plain and simple
sound = FR at eardrum
>but I'm guessing the bottom line is that they're doing it better, or at least in a way that the driver can use better
there are so many reasons why you would prefer this. could be tuning, could be anc, could be the design, could be the build, could be how it fits

>>106478089
probably right about that

>>106478141
>I don't think it's the tuning.
it's a combination of fit, tuning, insertion depth and your personal acoustic impendence. Trust me lol people aren't falling over each other to buy nothing ears 2 for their sound quality. You just got lucky they sound very good to you specifically. There's no special technologies, they are not using any special drivers or anything.
> I'm guessing the bottom line is that they're doing it better
they literally do not do anything better than any other TWS on the market

>>106478141
>Any over-ear headphones (though I've always preferred in-ears), also for in-ear it's better than the sennheiser momentum, apple pods, klipsch bluetooths, meze alba, linsouls, and both my truthears (which are my favorite wired IEMs so far otherwise).
none of these are impressive
sennheiser can't even tune their IEMs properly lol

>>106478155
That's just mysticism, not engineering. Maybe you can just handwave this stuff as unknowable religious magic with like, different brands of wired IEMs, but the wireless ones are clearly experimenting with a lot of different tech to manufacture the signal, to make compressed and choppy bluetooth signal sound good, to save battery and size, etc, and you can see the improvement year by year. I mean real genuine improvement in the tech, not just "tuning and feel". If that shit didn't make a difference, we could just stick with old skullcandy shit from like 2010. Every new bluetooth headphone I buy is a clear improvement over the last one.

That's what I'm interested in, I figure someone has to know more than me about how these are built inside or what's being done to process the audio feed, and how it's gotten better since, let's say, 2015, and who uses what.

>>106478219
>>106478238
Have you two tried them? What is considered impressive these days, at least short of the 500+ market?

>>106478219
>they literally do not do anything better than any other TWS on the market
so..they're all the exact same?

>>106478314
>If that shit didn't make a difference, we could just stick with old skullcandy shit from like 2010
while you are making a great point, don't let him pit you into a corner. he's shit testing you and looking for any way to show he knows all. you do make a good point, by the way. the market would be in shambles with controversy over $5 pos with EQ can sit in the arena with $2000. you'll be talking in circles until you give up and he chirps, "I accept your concession". it's beyond stale at this point

>>106478314
>That's just mysticism, not engineering.
don't make statements like this when you don't know much about acoustics.
>but the wireless ones are clearly experimenting with a lot of different tech to manufacture the signal
they are, but for regular stereo music reproduction, nothing crazy, especially not from nothing
you will get active in-situ compensation and volume based FR changes but that's about it
>to make compressed and choppy bluetooth signal sound good
this is another myth, most bluetooth codecs are ok and once you're past aptx they are good enough
>If that shit didn't make a difference, we could just stick with old skullcandy shit from like 2010
have you seen what 2010 skullcandy measure like?
>Every new bluetooth headphone I buy is a clear improvement over the last one.
now compare their FR

>>106478316
In terms of " processing the signal that's sent over bluetooth" basically yes.
Think about that way. Research showed that frequency response is the main driver of sound quality. The moment you put IEM inside your ear your anatomy changes its FR in basically unpredictable ways. So when the main sound quality property is changed in straight forward and audible ways there's no reason to try and find other factors like processing or driver behavior. You hear frequency response that arrived at your ear drum after a bunch of interaction between sound waves and your ear canal. That's literally it.
By themselves nothing ears aren't impressive in any way shape or form you can literally read any review out of dozens. It's a decent TWS for their price tho.

>>106478314
>to make compressed and choppy bluetooth signal sound good
...they literally use standard codecs everybody else is using
>That's just mysticism
what is? FR is like the opposite of mysticism. It's an obvious measurable thing. That greatly influences the sound quality.

>>106478378
don't miss the forest for the trees.

>>106478314
>Have you two tried them? What is considered impressive these days, at least short of the 500+ market?
For IEMs? Something like VolumeS, KE4, p50, daybreaks, dusk dsp, tea/top pro etc. But you will not be able to beat some random POS that sounds amazing specifically to you due to sheer luck. ( I experienced this myself and it kinda sucks lol)

>>106478340
>the market would be in shambles
but it is in shambles? cheap chinese POS basically destroyed traditional western IEM makers. Specifically because they started implementing harman research while tuning their pos

>>106478427
elaborate

>>106478454
I agree.. the west simply does not have a horse in the race currently. an effect of that is having a clueless consumer demographic that only know harman as, "2017 sony coming out with sound, figured out". when they're still charging a fucked up premium on brand loyalty alone. yes, tuning on the iem facet places value knocking high beyond anything a western brand could afford the marketing for. I'll say it again, we stopped paying for tuning at Chu. either have a dog in the fight when trying to drive down prices on better drivers, or continue to be the very best consumer this cheap industry needs.

>>106478463
it's ignorant to reduce everything down to FR. it ignores the fact that companies have to spend money first before the consumer does and we're not in on that specific profit margin. marketing, collabs and tuning aside, if more boutique brands have to keep advertising pos with branded BAs of all things, you can assume your intelligence has been insulted and you should have been seeking value where it hits the entire time.

>>106478530
>it's ignorant to reduce everything down to FR.
it is literally the opposite of ignorant.
>it ignores the fact that companies have to spend money first before the consumer does and we're not in on that specific profit margin. marketing, collabs and tuning aside, if more boutique brands have to keep advertising pos with branded BAs of all things, you can assume your intelligence has been insulted and you should have been seeking value where it hits the entire time.
okay but how the fuck is any of this relevant to the subject matter of nothing ears 2 sound qualities lmao??? Do you have an explanation for why they sound the best for the dude out of literally EVERYTHING he has including headpos and 2 truthear pos?

>>106478376
>>106478401
Maybe I'm not understand what you guys mean by "FR", this is the only frequency response data I'm aware of, these graphs. Are you guys referring to this? This tells you something for sure, like a general idea of how an audio device is tuned, but I'm not sure it tells you much else. Can you even tell the general quality of an audio device if I give you an unlabeled squiggle? I couldn't even tell the difference between some of the ones I own if I was just looking at their graphs. What do you even see here?

I'm not saying this is useless, but what I would want instead right now is some kind of measurement of detail in the sound (maybe by frequency too, like how muddy or clear the bass drum strikes are), which is something you can easily hear when you're comparing crap to good stuff but I don't know of any hard number for. I guess it's a lot to ask, though surely some autismo is trying to make his own measurement scale.

>>106478435
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that like 3/4 of these say "Crinacle" in the name. I'm still not sure what Crinacle means, but I get the gist that these Chinese companies collaborated with those guys to come up with a more "human"/Harman-like curve and target that with their new stuff, right? It makes sense that it worked, I always thought most western audiophile companies were crazy harsh in the treble. I think they only got away with that for so long because old rich guys with the money for audiophile gear can't hear in that range at all at their age.

>>106473393
Where can I obtain this "FOX IEM"?

>>106478546
>Do you have an explanation
he literally stated his subjective experience, compared with multiple sets, which you just acknowledged, but this whole time you tried to dismiss his experience.
>but how the fuck is any of this relevant to the subject matter of nothing ears 2 sound qualities lmao?
instead of playing ignorant, just argue a counter rather than...doing what you're doing

>>106478556
>these graphs
that's how most people see them, but FR as measured on a coupler is different than the FR at your eardrum
>This tells you something for sure, like a general idea of how an audio device is tuned, but I'm not sure it tells you much else
the data as displayed in the graph will not be perfectly accurate to what is happening in your ear, but it's usually close enough, especially with 5128
>Can you even tell the general quality of an audio device if I give you an unlabeled squiggle?
yes
>but what I would want instead right now is some kind of measurement of detail in the sound (maybe by frequency too, like how muddy or clear the bass drum strikes are)
you can look around retarded audiophool forums and fall for the usual retard traps, but if you're smart enough, you'll eventually realize that FR really is all there is. see the eq guide for more detail https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/
>inb4 some retard says that no one has ever read it
the only criticisms i've seen of the guide is that it is too long and too detailed, nothing about the actual content itself

>>106469786 (OP)
why spend a lot on earbuds? even the most expensive earbuds will never sound as good as significantly cheaper headphones, which will never sound as good as the best speakers

why is kz so good, bros?

>>106478556
>Are you guys referring to this
yes.
Now imagine this frequency response changing unpredictably when you put IEMs into your ears. There's no way to tell how exactly it'll sound for you specifically. We only can talk about generalities like deeper fit will boost lower regions and lower higher regions. So it's pretty meaningless to try and find some other reason for difference in sound when the main reason is right there. Again there's no consensus that nothing ears sound especially amazing. It's your personal thing.
>Can you even tell the general quality of an audio device if I give you an unlabeled squiggle
Well in general if something is tuned around preference bounds from harman research it will sound from passable to good. But with IEMs there are a lot of caveats like acoustic impendence, mod length resonances, insertion depth differences etc.
>I couldn't even tell the difference between some of the ones I own if I was just looking at their graphs
711 measurements are outdated and I'd personally not use them just by themselves. Only as a support for 5128 measurements. But even with them you can tell what will sound darker/brighter or how much bass it will have (again with caveats especially for 711)
>I'm not saying this is useless
It all depends. If you are not very familiar with all the measurement autism they might as well be useless for you.
>sound (maybe by frequency too)
what do you think the sound is lol
>which is something you can easily hear when you're comparing crap to good stuff but I don't know of any hard number for
squigs usually have explanations under frequency ranges.

>>106478598
>he literally stated his subjective experience, compared with multiple sets, which you just acknowledged, but this whole time you tried to dismiss his experience.
he's literally asking for a reason lol
and deflecting is all you can do? what does "subjective experience" imply hm?
Try answering without asking chatGPT
>instead of playing ignorant, just argue a counter rather than...doing what you're doing
so you are just retarded. got it

>>106478609
To me in-ears always sounded better than over-ears. I think it's because the silicone or foam seal helps. I do all my listening on in-ears (outside the house) or speakers (in the house). I think the only reason to buy a super expensive IEM is if you listen inside and need to not disturb anyone at all, or if you're 100% sure you'll never forget them on the plane.

Or train, if you're European.

>>106478671
I don't deflect you do. you kill threads, you deflect new anons. all that. everything is a fight to you. you can stop you know.

>>106478609
>even the most expensive earbuds will never sound as good as significantly cheaper headphones
debatable since significantly cheaper iems sound better than headpos

>>106478556
>I guess I shouldn't be surprised that like 3/4 of these say "Crinacle" in the name
hm? I don't think so? only daybreaks and dusks are crinacle related
>I get the gist that these Chinese companies collaborated with those guys to come up with a more "human"/Harman-like curve and target that with their new stuff, right?
They did indeed get all their info from youtube influencers lol There's a lot to it tho. Like even nothing ears had weirdo tuning with old updates and influencers had to scream at them to fix their shit.
>I think they only got away with that for so long because old rich guys with the money for audiophile gear can't hear in that range at all at their age.
sounds about right

>>106477343
Holy moly I'm surprised you can hear anything after listening to those

>>106478699
Headpinnacleofsound?

>>106478609
IEMs have a lot of advantages over headphones. And yeah you are wrong about heir sound. $20 pos will sound better than most sub $500 headphones.
And with EQ they'll sound better than almost all headphones.

>>106477343
>Why is it so detailed?
Look at the elevated and peaky upper treble in >>106478732. This is not a good thing but is usually experienced as "detail" because higher frequencies sound "smaller" and "more delicate" so elevating these gives the impression of a more accurate playback.

>>106478732
it is a surprise he likes something as unimpressive as nothingears 2 lol but it is what it is

>>106478733
headplateauofschizophrenia

>>106478732
ah yes, how could we ever forget the 5k detail peak!

>>106478662
I get that some of this is unmeasurable, but there's no way this all ends there, or else these companies wouldn't spend so much on engineering, manufacturing, and development.

Also I need to apologize to the wired ones, I've been listening side by side with the truthear "crinacle x" Novas (a few years old) and they're definitely more detailed in the entire instrumental range than the Nothings, just "recessed", ie everything sounds far away. It's particularly the vocals that are dramatically clearer and more forward on the Nothings. In fact I think they kind of sacrifice the instruments a little to do that. Maybe the fact that I've been listening to wireless sets for so long (workouts, travel, camping, etc) means I'm out of the game on what's available in wired.

On the other hand I'm impressed that the Nothings are so much lighter than the truthears... which don't have a battery, transmitter, or touch controls. The Novas use, apparently, 5 drivers? (labeled 1DD+4BA), meanwhile the Dusks are "2DD+2BA+2Planar". I mean, damn man, kek. That's a lot of drivers. Meanwhile I think the Nothings manage with 1DD, explaining their lighter weight. I don't think I want to put something that huge in my ear anymore and try to listen for more than a few minutes, much less something even bigger from 2025. I remember being appalled even the first time I took the Novas out of the box.

Oh yeah, that's why I like the Mezes, even though I can't find them right now to check. They're small, light, and reasonable. Looked it up and they have 1 driver too. I never liked Meze's tuning (boring), but they're beautiful little things. I gave a set as a gift.

>>106478808
>I get that some of this is unmeasurable
almost nothing is immeasurable, airpods pro 2 have in-situ compensation and these were released over half a decade ago
same thing with some bose tws
>or else these companies wouldn't spend so much on engineering, manufacturing, and development.
yes, development of better systems and sensors to better measure these responses, and more competent drivers for better anc and power consumption
>The Novas use, apparently, 5 drivers?
drivers don't matter if discussed separately from FR.
the reason why most tws use DDs (and soon MEMs) is because they are cheap, extremely efficient, and DSP addresses most of the tuning/FR flaws

>>106478808
>I get that some of this is unmeasurable
not exactly. you can measure personal FR with in-ear mics but it's problematic
>but there's no way this all ends there, or else these companies wouldn't spend so much on engineering, manufacturing, and development.
sennheiser spends a lot on engineering manufacturing and development and the result is some overpriced shouty garbage pos.
It's not an argument. Corpos are all ignorant and arrogant. Just like consumers.
>I've been listening side by side with the truthear "crinacle x" Novas
Novas are not a crinacle collab. They are one of the better ones harman tuned pos out there. But it's still harman lol...
>It's particularly the vocals that are dramatically clearer and more forward on the Nothings
boosted 5-8k region might be the reason. It's probably getting even more boosted by shallow fit of nothingears vs NOVAs with their longer nozzles.
>Maybe the fact that I've been listening to wireless sets for so long (workouts, travel, camping, etc) means I'm out of the game on what's available in wired.
don't worry too much about it
>Meanwhile I think the Nothings manage with 1DD
as people mentioned they are using EQ. Endgame is 1DD + EQ after all lol.
>I remember being appalled even the first time I took the Novas out of the box
truthear is known for using giant af shells. It's not exactly the norm but yeah more driver = bulkier shell. There's no way around it.

>>106478086
>my current ones are cheap and bad and i get a lot of bleeding from the main audio i shouldnt hear
Basically IEMs are highly sensitive (reveal noise floor easily) and the Pioneer DJ has inherent noise floor (matter of audio design, cost limitations, etc.).
The cheap easy solution is an output impedance adapter:
https://www.amazon.com/FAAEAL-Conductor-Impedance-Cancelling-Professional/dp/B07FMG8144?sr=8-3&th=1
FiiO sells similar product too.
These will lower the overall volume of what you plug in, meaning you'll have to turn up the hardware / software volume up more, but it will help with the noise floor you hear.
Higher cost IEMs aren't automatically going to fix what you hear. It is about the properties of sensitivity, impedance, and the source (the Pioneer DJ you plug into) having it's own noise floor.

>>106478754
>>106478732
I'm not entirely convinced. What I really like is in the vocals, and I'm 95% of the time on male vocals. That should be a lot below those peaks, right? I'm not sure where that is exactly on the chart. Maybe the spots at 5500 and 7000. At least I learned something today, that there's such a thing as a 5128 measurement setup and its better than the old squiggles.

Also, maybe I'm getting too old to hear the high ones. Treble peaks usually do bother me, I can't listen to anything Sennheiser's ever made. Maybe it's time to give Sennheiser another chance, lol.

>>106478761
Hey, someone else has to own a pair of these around here and back me up, lol. They're quite impressive, Apple and Bose are at a much higher price point and I like the music on the Nothings significantly better. Male vocals are scary clear.

>>106478977
Different anon chiming in
>95% of the time on male vocals
This makes absolute sense why your preferences diverge from a set like Truthear Nova.
Where Nova is recessed from 100-400Hz below the Nothing Ear 2 impacts male vocals in particular.
Thin, unnatural male vocals are a common criticism of the Nova's style of tuning, which is mostly aligned to Harman2019 in-ear target.

>>106478977
>male vocals
male vocals are mostly affected by lower regions... which are also more recessed on nova's

>a decade old tech
>still the best value dac ever made
how did they do it?

>>106478875
>cheap, extremely efficient, and DSP addresses most of the tuning/FR flaws
I think we're circling back to what the first anon suggested about DSP. Some kind of analysis and processing is probably doing this, or else there is no way the wireless 1DD could compete with a 5-driver massive wired brick plugged into a real power source. Whatever DSP/EQ is doing, it's working, it seems.

>>106479002
>Nova's style of tuning, which is mostly aligned to Harman2019 in-ear target.
>>106478956
>better ones harman tuned pos out there. But it's still harman lol...
What's better than harman? Isn't harman-tuning an improvement over the excessively bright stuff, at least for those that don't like it super bright? Is there a better curve they should be using?
And thank you all for posting so much.

>>106478977
>That should be a lot below those peaks, right?
try it out yourself, grab the nothing app and eq that part
it will change vocals and make them clearer
>At least I learned something today, that there's such a thing as a 5128 measurement setup and its better than the old squiggles.
that shouldn't be the lesson, it should be that the nothing ear has an FR that you like. the same features are also seen on 711 measurements
since you don't know much about the relation between frequencies and music, you don't need to worry about different setups

my friend doesn't believe my advice to get coffee tips, is there a facial expression I could do to persuade him?

>>106479034
>I think we're circling back to what the first anon suggested about DSP.
no, there is a very clear difference
>or else there is no way the wireless 1DD could compete with a 5-driver massive wired brick plugged into a real power source
"compete" is the wrong word
power source does not matter
driver count is used to achieve whatever FR is desired
there are some FRs that are very hard to achieve with only one driver, but it doesn't mean that more drivers is better
>What's better than harman? Isn't harman-tuning an improvement over the excessively bright stuff, at least for those that don't like it super bright? Is there a better curve they should be using?
latest preference research shows that harmanIE 2019 still ranks very highly
soundguys (or jm1 because they are close enough) also scores highly
if you want more details, the eq guide has them but it's probably too technical for you
>>106479039
looking at the camera, slight mouth scrunch

>>106479034
>Some kind of analysis and processing is probably doing this
no
their tuning is not changing automatically. Multiple drivers are used to tune IEM to a specific target in an analog way without EQ. It's not needed for TWS because they have built in EQ so any target can be applied. Otherwise drivers do not matter much.
>What's better than harman?
Tuning is a personal preference. If you think harman tuned pos has thin male vocals you'll just need to boost recessed mids via 1 EQ filter and it's done. Currently "new meta" JM-1 style tuning is getting more popular which is based on 5128 measurements, harman preference research and population average diffuse field. You might like them better because mids are not as recessed and treble is not as bright... But harman tuning is not exactly losing to jm-1 in listening tests.
>Isn't harman-tuning an improvement over the excessively bright stuff
harman IE target is excessively bright itself for a multitude of reasons.
>Is there a better curve they should be using
You have a speaker set up... You unironically can try tuning 1DD IEM to it to get a personal preference target.

>>106479039
I think coffee tips are pretty good... I like spring tips better tho

>>106479037
>>106479065
I still don't think the handwavey FR stuff is convincing. It seems to me that because that's the only hard data available, you're asking it to do way too much. I get that it's better than just believing manufacturers' complete BS like "we used more exotic graphene in the driver cone than the other guy", but it's almost as useless as that statement. Especially if we go all the way to "the curve completely changes once it's in the ear." Then, uh, what do I do with it? I do want some actionable information about either the curve, or the physical technology, or the digital processing, so I know what to buy next or to recommend people other than the approach of "buy 20 different expensive pairs of earphones, return 19 of them, everything is a mystery."

I mean, look at this thing, the one I use for running right now. You gonna tell me this has a specially ideal path for the audio to get into the ear, or what? It's not even a 3D shape. Clearly there is something in the driver or some technology they've used that works well. Someone's gotta have one of these so they can back me up, kek. I was shocked when I turned them on for the first time. Maybe it's just that bluetooth connection tech (TWS, LDAC, batteries, whatever) is getting better and Nothing is benefiting from that by accident.

>>106479136
>I still don't think the handwavey FR stuff is convincing.
that's the expected reaction, it is hard for people to reconcile with this but it is the truth. there is quite literally no other measurement or metric, you're free to propose a few but this has been discussed ad nauseam and covered in the eq guide too
>Then, uh, what do I do with it?
if you understand the range of variation that is possible due to human anatomy, then you would know how to fix the big issues. while the measurements are not perfectly accurate, they still are quite accurate
>I do want some actionable information about either the curve, or the physical technology
do not get it twisted, the "physical technology" will influence the curve. any physical aspect of an IEM or driver doesn't possess an audible quality; these aspects will change metrics that are audible (distortion, loudness, FR)
>so I know what to buy next or to recommend people other than the approach of "buy 20 different expensive pairs of earphones, return 19 of them, everything is a mystery."
FR. your previous questions lead me to believe that you are not familiar at all with FR measurements and their correlation to music
additionally, i don't think you are capable of discerning and effectively communicating perceived changes in sound and FR
>You gonna tell me this has a specially ideal path for the audio to get into the ear, or what?
>Clearly there is something in the driver or some technology they've used that works well
they measure like no foam earbuds with slightly more bass and they have volume compensation.

>>106479110
Maybe this is a controversial statement, but over the years, I was never satisfied with any digitally EQ'd solution to headphones I didn't like, not even once. Same with speakers. If they didn't sound good out of the box at their natural response, I never could get anything to sound fully "right" or "good" by EQing it. I learned it was best to buy it and accept it the way it is, or return it. The only time I ever got good results was when I was a kid and just pulled down the treble on everything to make the cheap tinny crap i could afford sound decent.

I'm wondering if this "DSP" or "EQ" thing some of you guys have mentioned, which seems instead like on-board processing or some automatic function, is a better solution than the listener trying to EQ a speaker into a different output than it naturally wants to make. Or maybe you need some special skills to get good results that way, so I guess I'll be reading that guide.

>>106479169
Come on, don't tell me you really think that even two different speakers or IEMs with the same FR curve are gonna sound the same. They're not even gonna be close. Two brands could try it on purpose in a competition. They could both make a set of IEMs with the goal to hit some given curve exactly. And what they each come up with would sound totally different. If FR was the only thing there is, you could just find one you like and be satisfied, and that's it, maybe buy one more audio device with the most similar curve, and boom, you're done. Nah, you and I know there's way more to chase. The tone of the sound, the details, the soundstage, clarity, forward/backwards, closed/open, unified/separated, etc, nobody would be coming up with those words or trying to use them in reviews.

Though I do want to hear the surely amazing explanation for why, if FR is everything, these people keep coming up with 6-driver monstrosities instead of just EQing a 1DD cone until it makes the right shape.

>>106479136
>I still don't think the handwavey FR stuff is convincing.
I mean... should you really have an opinion on this if you are unfamiliar with the body of research? I'd be cautious

>>106479169
FR measurements are not correlated with music. only a sine wave. don't get it twisted.

>>106479211
>Or maybe you need some special skills to get good results that way
no special but yeah it's a skill
but also there's a methodology for equalization but it takes a lot of time (especially fi you are not as skilled)

>>106479211
>I never could get anything to sound fully "right" or "good" by EQing it
then you need to practice and get better
>I'm wondering if this "DSP" or "EQ" thing some of you guys have mentioned, which seems instead like on-board processing or some automatic function, is a better solution than the listener trying to EQ a speaker into a different output than it naturally wants to make
loaded sentence. the DSP/EQ we mentioned is the same as any EQ you or anyone else would use. the automation of it based on external parameters is akin to you changing the EQ
the limit of using EQ on any transducer is the distortion that will arise. for IEMs this is a non-issue. for TWS design it is not but this is not something that you or i need to address
>Or maybe you need some special skills to get good results that way
yes, read the eq guide, and the section myths and misconceptions for more information on what we're currently talking about
>Come on, don't tell me you really think that even two different speakers or IEMs with the same FR curve are gonna sound the same.
for IEMs yes. the eardrum acts as a pressure detector.
>Nah, you and I know there's way more to chase
every audiophile goes through this phase, and as i said, it is hard to reconcile your whole experience and perception to FR.
>The tone of the sound, the details, the soundstage, clarity, forward/backwards, closed/open, unified/separated, etc, nobody would be coming up with those words or trying to use them in reviews.
these are all undefined terms used to convey a person's perception. there is nothing about this that is measurable, consistent, or anything that is worth examining
remember that audiophiles also describe with great detail and romanticism cables and power conditioners
>>106479226
read https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/myths-misconceptions/#test-signals-vs-music

>>106479211
>Come on, don't tell me you really think that even two different speakers or IEMs with the same FR curve are gonna sound the same
...What does "2 different IEMs with the same FR curve" entail? Why would 2 of the same IEMs sound (relatively) the same but "different" IEMs won't?
>They could both make a set of IEMs with the goal to hit some given curve exactly.
We literally have the recent example - p50 and crinear daybreaks. Both look almost the same, both have same driver configuration... and both sound almost exactly the same... And they don't even have the same tuning (just a very similar one)
>And what they each come up with would sound totally different.
Are you basing your opinions on vibes?
> If FR was the only thing there is
For IEMs? Yes. It's the only thing there is.
>you could just find one you like and be satisfied
Based on what? People are not rational actors.
>Nah, you and I know there's way more to chase.
that's your personal opinion
>these people keep coming up with 6-driver monstrosities instead of just EQing a 1DD cone until it makes the right shape.
They are starting to do that. It was explained to you already that multiple drivers are needed for tuning. If you want to apply EQ to a product it'll need to have a DSP and it won't be able to use 3.5 mm jack. Everything has its upsides and downsides.
>if FR is everything
what else is there?

>>106478977
>5128 measurement setup and its better than the old squiggles
Not strictly but in general yes. Its still better to check both

>>106479262
>there is nothing about this that is measurable, consistent, or anything that is worth examining
You're only right on 2/3 of those. People definitely consider a lot of things other than FR to be worth paying for. 100s, 1000s of dollars. Audiophiles just can't come to terms on any other measurement or grading system, since the whole situation (ears, physics, engineering, music) is too complicated. But the autismo approach (we only have 1 scientific measure, so we will just talk about that) isn't exactly satisfying.

>>106479284
>multiple drivers are needed for tuning. If you want to apply EQ to a product it'll need to have a DSP and it won't be able to use 3.5 mm jack.
This is what I want to understand. So, first of all if the goal is "just perfectly reproduce harman2019, or whatever ideal target", you need to EQ the imperfect machine's natural signature to get there, or else spend $1000 on a giant setup with planars/BAs/DDs.
The other option is to have the source (whatever is on the other side of the 3.5mm jack) do it, and the source will only do that if the user follows [Gigantic Guide Of Making This Your New Hobby]. Since customers don't want to follow the giant guide, the only automated way to do it is to have the source recognize the output and download an EQ from the cloud and use it. I can actually see that being doable now that everyone is using iphones as the source, but it's still not entirely convenient, and won't work at all for like, a vinyl player.

So, the recent breakthrough seems to be using a DSP (an on-board chip) for the device to automatically EQ itself to be more ideal (it knows its own curve, and its own flaws). This is only convenient for powered devices (bluetooth headphones, powered speakers), so they're the ones that are taking advantage of it to sound so much better year by year than they did before.

Does that sound right?

>>106472426
>>106473067
>>106473133
the bass looks too much unless these frequency response graphs are all bullshit

>>106479423
you need more bass with not a deep fit pos

>>106479420
>since the whole situation (ears, physics, engineering, music) is too complicated.
i hope you understand that the complication is measuring in-situ FR. the engineering and physics is pretty well understood.
>But the autismo approach (we only have 1 scientific measure, so we will just talk about that) isn't exactly satisfying.
it isn't satisfying for most audiophiles but it is the truth. this is supported by decades of research and basic understanding of electromechanoacoustics.
>Does that sound right?
pretty much. DSP/EQ that is implemented by the company/manufacturer is much more accurate since they know the IEMs FR and potential variation.
the thing about source and EQ is not quite correct, EQ will always be at the source. you can think of EQ as changing the spectrum of the outgoing signal to the IEMs.
>[Gigantic Guide Of Making This Your New Hobby]. Since customers don't want to follow the giant guide
the guide is for extreme FR optimization. if you don't want to learn then there are other services

>>106470093
What are these?

>>106479485
deez nuts

>>106479420
>we only have 1 scientific measure, so we will just talk about that
we have a lot of different measurements actually... but in the end only 1 mattered - FR. There's still more research to be done about FR and its correlation to how things sound specifically for IEMs... and I dunno if it's being really done on a decent level currently.

>bought tanchjim luna waifu edition last year during black friday
>a year later now it comes with an acrylic stand
It's not fair bros... I missed out on it.

>>106479661
>didn't get the luna at stand
>didn't get the mino at stand
they look so good next to my tanch blocks
btw im willing to pay $200 for the og blocks, if anyone is interested lmk

>>106479454
Thank you (and the others) for the back and forth and I do understand more about these now than before.
So, the situation with IEMs is like this for me: I definitely know I won't be joining in the manufacturers' quest to put more drivers in the case. The Nova I just pulled from a dusty shelf (5 drivers) is already way too huge for me and not comfortable to wear. Upgrading to like, the Dusk, not happening. And the others at that price range are even worse, they have like 8 and 9.

I'm still hugely impressed by the bluetooth Nothings. I really never thought I'd see the day when the bluetooth earphones are the lightweight, comfortable option. That's truly insane, and impressive.
It seems like bluetooth is the future, since the 1DD setup (or in the future, 1MEM since I guess that's the next step) is already in the same ballpark acoustically, and way smaller, lighter, and easier to use (again i never thought i'd say that 10 or 15 years ago).

The light and beautiful 1DD Mezes Albas are not satisfying even though Meze is a nice brand, and I guess now I know why. Because they can't rely on the DSP chip for EQ, maybe no 1DD IEM is ever going to match bluetooth earbuds ever again. I'm tempted to try out the Dunu Falcon from the OP list (since they make their own dongle that is hopefully not trash), but if that one sucks too, I'd probably forget wired for good. I don't like returning things. If anyone has suggestions for the smallest possible wired IEM with a good dongle, I'm game to try one or two more.
You know, someone should make a site comparing the size of these things, lel. I can't really tell from the pictures sometimes.

>>106476444
But they graph different. Explain this graphsniffers

>>106478971
I see. I kinda figured it was to do with the hardware and not the iems themselves. I'm okay with turning the volume up more as i dont turn it up to the max anyways.
Thanks!

>>106479700
>. The Nova I just pulled from a dusty shelf (5 drivers) is already way too huge for me and not comfortable to wear.
eh not every multi driver IEM is huge. being huge is more of a NOVA thing

>>106478585
Official EPZ store on aliexpress, ask the seller.

Using your ears to receive sound is mental illness. Listening to crackpot BS like "music" is mental illness. If you do such things, you willingly give in to delusions. It's unscientific and just plain stupid. There's only one thing that matters and it's FR. You have eyes for it, graphs exist.

>>106479019
cirrus hump, avoid

>>106480417
>>106478585
>>106473393
All me btw

nice one cockbox
i'm sure those AI companies are tripping over themselves to scrape data on 20 years obsolete mp3 players

>>106480512
audio nihilists like you should be deported

>>106469786 (OP)
Coomdrop bros...
Shartur bros...
I dont feel so good...
Did KZ just BTFO'd Coomdrop Variations at 1/10th of the price?

>>106481536
Shut up rat.

>>106481536
big if true.
KZ Pisces hits Shartur's target much closer than his own favorite IEM.

imagine the plot twist if KZ Pisces is actually a stealth collab between PEQDB and KZ.

>>106481536
with moondrop you're paying for their marketing and buying off parasitic youtube influencers , not the actual product itself.
it's generally a bad idea to buy anime IEMs - they're always going to be overrated due to sub-100 IQ tards who fall for online marketing

>>106481908
b-but it's for me!

I'd buy coomdrops if they had this artwork even if they were ridiculously overpriced

Zeos is the only reviewer I'd trust with my life

>>106481536
Moondrop is for wiggers. That's why they all have elevated niggerbass and why shartur (a Person of Color) likes them.
The only moondrops that ever had good tuning were ironically the "Space" ones, particularly Space Travel, but they still sound shit.
By the way, never trust a jeet like shartur when it comes to audio. Don't believe me? Go to an Indian movie in a cinema that screens them for the pajeet immigrants. I'll warn you beforehand to bring pic related if you don't want hearing damage. I'm not exaggerating. The first couple times I went to an Indian movie in the cinema I was literally covering my ears for much of it because I didn't want to damage my ears.

>>106481908
this is true for all brands that do shillfluencer collabs

Hmm

>>106482219
I don't trust him around children.

>>106483986
why its not like he's indian

>>106480512
Deafzo...

I only listen to real music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCsl6ZcY9ag

Is bunny dsp different than the 3.5mm version? I bought both but I have only used the 3.5mm one. Should I open the usb c bunny, or should I keep it sealed?

>>106484820
silly...... DSP is just EQ so you can EQ or change the preset and it keeps stored in the USB-C

>>106484820
JUST TRY IT OUT AND SEE IF YOU LIKE IT, WHY ASK

>>106484903
why not EQ a better sounding IEM then? does it have to be tanchjim bunny?

>>106484916
nigga... it doesn't matter

nobody knows hoe to eq

>>106485265
>enjoying pos without tweaking out is a sin
nobody should care to EQ.

Who else got this email

>>106481295
LouisCK Audio Store?

sistas, im not feeling really good...

>>106486224
>he fell for the reviewer meme

>>106485265
Oh yeah? Explain this then.

>>106480512
Chatgpt lost.

sony bros we are so back
https://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ierex15c_wired_usbc_earphones_announced-news-69345.php

is the fudu verse 2 worth picking up or am I better off getting the hexa/pure?

>>106486635
>usb-c
>non-removable cable
>bullets
is there a worse combo?

>>106486801
tws

>>106486807
you have a point
that said, I'd still pick my trusty XM4 over bullets with fixed usb-c

>>106486801
>plug and play
>comfy
>thin ass cable that you barely feel
it's basically perfection

>>106486836
>plug and play
we have 3.5mm headphone jacks for that - and before you lament about having crippled phone for subhumans, stop.
Sony user means Xperia user
>comfy
for someone who never had a comfy IEM, maybe bullets are the only option imaginable
>thin ass cable that you barely feel
until it breaks and you can't replace it

>>106486635
is sony fucking retarded?

>>106486635
>that would be $199.99 gaijin

>>106485289
>implying i don't do most of my listening while tweaking
low energy

Chat, is this worth $0?

Still using my Letshuoer D13

>>106487087
coinzo, take a break... you already have enough slop...

>>106487060
uh....point well taken lmao

Only tangentially related but my ipod screen cover is scratched to shit. How should I polish/buff it out? There are some pretty deep scratches.

>>106470827
>why is everyone here sound
SAAR...
>>106486962
>would be
But it isn't althougheverbeit

>>106486652
brother that looks horrendous. hexa/pure are far "safer," picks

>its about fr at the eardrum
>its about techs
both are unmeasurable, both are religion

Shit sounds good

>>106489222
>implying
The real religion is measurement. You don't even do the sinewave chart fortunetelling properly.

>>106489286
I never look at graphs actually

>>106485265
I like how niggas imply I'm coloring my pbthal vinyl rips with BA drivers, R2R DAC and tube amp, then run 10 different EQ profiles on a $0 IEM only to listen to Vocaloid and indie trannycore.

I couldn't resist...

>>106489258
EST pos, avoid

>>106489222
>"I trust my ears" niggas when you have to EQ by ear

>>106489977
I have absolute pitch. If something is at 4.5 KHz, I just know it's 4.5 KHz. Basically I have a measurement coupler in my head. This is the impenetrable gap between elite like me and the rest: the innate ability to EQ to the given FR at ear drum. In other words, I'm blessed by nature with the ability to EQ techs as I see fit.

Come home white man

>>106489258
You are ballin', everyone in this thread is beneath you and will seethe at your mere existence

>>106490296
nta but still better than Prestige LTD that the Taint doesn't own

>>106469786 (OP)
OP what do you think of the EST80?

>>106486224
Would love to see him rank these in a blind test

>>106489258
What's good about them? How do you compare them to the rest of your collection?

Thinking of buying the Alpha Omega RA.

Some dap the works with airpods 4 anc? Using it for commute to work. The apple bros locked the buds and they dont work with my old sony walkman a series, shame!

>shanling m0 pro on the way
can't wait

Just chilling with friends and got a chance to cable roll the Nostalgia Guinevere, short impressions:

>Nostalgia Pendragon
Biggest jump is swapping the Nostalgia Pendragon stock cable to Guinevere. The Pendragon’s midbass is tamed whilst retaining its BCD bass texture. Cleaner mids which makes the Pendragon a better generalist but it loses its mud-fi classic kino tuning. I don’t think the treble quality has changed but due to the tamer low-end, the treble may sound more extended.

>Guinevere vs Sovereign Symphony 8W
SS8W is better. Better treble definition. The Guin is warmer and “slower” sounding.

>Guinevere vs Mira MK2
Mira MK2 still better. Mira is more detailed and cleaner-sounding.

>Toxic Cable Taipan (sorry no pic)
Dark horse of the lineup. Taipan beats both the Guinevere and Mira MK2. Taipan has very smooth sounding treble unlike the Mira. But it also manages to retain its warmth without sounding muddy like the Guinevere.

Also the Sovereign Symphony 8W is temporarily mine since Subtonic is kinda enuf to loan it to me, so intense A/B with the stock cable of Storm soon.

>>106491466
>cable techs believer
You went too far

>believe in techs
>no, not like that

>>106491527
You are a pagpag tho

>>106490015
this shit had potential but ofc they threw in a $2 cable, proprietary recessed mmcx, and a shitty gimmick vent that rolls off the bass that you need to fix it yourself

>>106491519
When I first started I was a fervent ASR dickrider, but going to canjams/shops and trying everything for myself I stopped giving a shit about whether science can explain it. I just chalk all of it up to output impedance but I'm still gonna buy cables based on sound quality.

>>106491673
>too techy for the pagpags
>not techy enough for the cable autists
I suffer

>believes in techs
>setup isn't like picrel
ngmi

>>106491857
Frogposter moment.

>>106489446
What. How.

Is there any IEM stip that doesn't stink?
After using sometime, the silicone tip becomes stinky.
Even after washing it, the smell remains.

Do foam tips also stink?

>>106491571
and iems that look like this? and not some cringy overdesigned bullshit?

>>106492850
just wash them with dish soap
foams are disposable and 100x more disgusting

>>106492092
Orgone Accumulator and schizo audio tech?

iem core...

>>106492850
The tips don't stink, you stink and the smell is getting on the tips. Have you tried not being a shitskin, taking daily showers, or losing weight?

>>106492092
The true power of Aliexpress.

Should I bother paying $0 for a Bunny or nah

>>106492831
If you look for something, you will find it.
- the bible probably idk

>>106489446
If you cut the mudfest @300hzish it actually has a decent frequency response

>>106493408
How do you get those prices? Also you should pay full price + tip to our queen.

>>106493905
Honestly, Bunny reeks of "Sennheiser, but IEM."

>>106494107
As in they made the best thing in the industry that hasn't been surpassed in 30 years?

>>106492092
>>106492956
orgone is 100% bullshit. new age nonsense.
with every fiber of my being, I urge you to stay away from new age bullshittery

>>106494121
As in your post makes me not want to spend my hard earned $0 on it.

>>106494949
am i supposed to care

when will tanch jim release a better iem

Are tanchjims actually good or are you people just horny

>>106494350
ok
no techs for you

>>106495318
idk just get some tangzu waners

>>106495342
please just tell me it's not your OC. nobody should take you seriously if you do this. at all. I bet you take kratom and smoke dmt too don't you

>>106490006
okay Mr. 5128

>>106495318
I love my bunnies.

>>106495576
>I love my business.
-Jim, who doesn't give a fuck about bunnies

Reminder to reshape your cable earhooks for optimal wearing comfort and stability!

>>106495984
I just cut them off and the cable takes the most optimal shape by itself and tangles less.

She's here

>>106496259
that right earhook needs correction. brat...

>>106496259
Now that is an IEM.

>>106496259
is the FR bleeding? :3

Discuss.

>>106496259
First impressions it sounds cheap. Channel matching isn't great nor is the tuning. It's very V shaped with harsh treble and the bass is very forward but sounds a bit off. The Tanchjim Force had a similar thing going on with its base but it's worse on the Vivian. With some EQ it sounds passable.
Comfort is good, print quality is decent. Seems CVJ learned from the neko and the 3D embossing is much more subtle on this one.

>>106496655
>unsmoothed constant frequency data
jesus fuck my eyes

>>106496699
I forgot to smooth it but give me a break dude its Friday

>>106496713
clock back in and do some ot young chap

>>106496655
>waifu techs is a lie
I'm disappointed

Remember. Listen to your songs, not to your gear. Stop visiting audio equipment foruns and sites (including this general). Stop consuming audio equipment, go support the music artists you like and listen to more music.

so these crinacle zero 2's are bussin bussin fire as hell and are only 20 euros?

>>106498212
they are 0 euros if you're coinzo

>>106498212
fit is shallow, doesn't work for some people. decent sound

>>106498299
just get ear surgery to change the shape of the ear canal bro

>>106495434
No, I inject heroin and drop shrooms like a sane person.

>>106497497
Only listen to real music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGS-IjCUEzA

>>106469786 (OP)
Alright /iemg/, I may have fucked up here. I bought from a somewhat dubious aliexpress seller and I didn't even notice some of the obvious redflags in the listing, but I am still clinging onto hope for a bit.

I bought this
>https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008713748173.html

Now, the product appears to be frankestein mismatch of different specs and products, but my autistic brain didn't even compute the idea that the specs simply weren't right, and worse, Fosi actually has an official store on aliexpress which I could actually have used. Granted it's just cheap chinkshit, but since I don't want to buy another one before I know 100% I got cucked, and that's about 1-2 weeks away (who tf knows with the new tariffs n shieet), I want a prognostic on this being an actual product and not a brick or the like.

On a scale of 1 to Chinked, how bad is it ?

>>106498212
Stealth revised like any chinkware slop. This hobby is dying cause chang cannot stop himself from trying to scam gweilos.

>>106499313
>prognosis

I should probably sleep

>>106499333
trips of trvth

>>106499313
Specs are bullshit anyway. You'll be fine.

>>106499664
I mean, if it somewhat works, I guess I am fine. I just wanted something somewhat usable with a balanced jack that I could use on my phone. My only worry is that this will break like 1-2 weeks in, not work in the first place, or die as I plug it in taking my phone/MOBO/cans/iem with it.

Mega5est or Mega5est Bass+?

>>106500245
Mega5est
>>106499313
Anyone help ? Chang is scamming a fellow gweilo

Is there any portable player that will allow me to connect with a subsonic/navidrome server that doesn't run android? Everything just seems to be either the most barebone OS ever made or just a fucking phone.

>>106489258
I'm considering a flagship, and the Mk4 is in the running but good fucking lord is the cable on that one so chunky and ugly compared to the Mk3. The faceplate is also a huge downgrade.

>>106478141
>and both my truthears (which are my favorite wired IEMs so far otherwise).
Ah, so they sound like shit like the truthhears? Thanks, I'll avoid them.

>all excited to get UTWS5 2025 to replace my EVOs
>Flush mount 2 pin only
Why the fuck? Having the little extension on there for recessed 2 pin connections doesn't affect anything nearly as bad as not having it. Now I have to buy MMCX and adapters just to get it to fit my Kadenz
Also
>Out of stock everywhere except Ali
I don't want to use Ming's Amazon for fuck sake.

>>106501047
>>106501047
>>106501047