Thread 106471091

it's over

are there any other good and trustable homeservers?

>>106471165
I heard you can't even add other homeservers at the moment?

>>106471165
Even if there are there are no good clients for it

>>106471165
haven't had any major problems with the one I host.
>>106471807
shit b8 m8
>>106472008
TPBP
it really makes you wonder where all that funding went to.

Literal tranny faggot platform

Matrix is scum

>>106471091 (OP)
>it's over
What are you even talking about? I am using it right now, I have it open.

>>106471807
wtf does "adding a homeserver" even mean?

>>106472204
https://status.matrix.org

>>106472151
Depends what you're comparing it to.
Discord is trash. At least matrix allows you to self host, bridge with IRC, use any client you want (or fork/build your own)

>>106471091 (OP)
matrix will never be adopted because it's a shit protocol with a shit spec, with shit clients and shit homeserver(s? KEK). IRC will never die due to its simplicity, minimal clients that are easy to secure, etc..., but Matrix will.

That's why you host your own server

>>106471091 (OP)
XMPP chads win again

>>106472287
love using tor + omemo

>>106472273
Here's the thing though: look at Discord's market share.
The reality is that you have to try to meet people half way. People want the shiny features of discord. Matrix gives them that. I do have a lot of love for irc but its turned into a small group of purists who sit afk, only checking the chat a couple times a week. Now discord has made it too accessible I agree. You have absolute scum morons and GenA knuckoedraggers using it. But there needs to be a sweet spot between those two extremes.

>>106472245
>not hosting your own server
your fault

>>106472273
>germany using it
>france using it
>mossad using it
fuck off shill

>>106472346
Sorry, I don't have a Xeon and 32gb of ram for a Matrix server handy right now.

Brainlet thread, matrix is working perfectly fine. I have my client open right now and I don't even have any contacts who are affected (I found out about the issue from this thread)
It seems like the example homeserver had some kind of database issue. I guess a lot of people itt were using the matrix.org homeserver for their actual main account which is their problem

>>106472267
Yeah but it barely functions

>>106472364
The matrix.org database shat itself
https://status.matrix.org/

>>106472410
That doesn't add to anything I said in my post. I almost wonder whether you replied to the wrong person.

>>106472359
get a job poorfag

>>106472364
Anon, Matrix is centralized to a hilarious degree for a federated protocol. The vast majority of users are on Matrix.org.

>>106472359
NTA
synapse/dendrite runs fine on a raspberry pi4. If your usecase is yourself + frens/family.

>>106472245
nothingburger, only a retard would be using the official server

jabber won.

>>106472428
The amount of users isn't that important but what those users join. Even a single room with lengthy history and a lot of users can absolutely rape that Raspberry Pi. Xeon and 32gb are of course hyperbole but Matrix servers use unreasonable amounts of resources.

>>106472422
Wrong, it seems to me like this issue only affects people who didn't realize matrix is a federated platform, and just clicked through instead of looking for a homeserver, which is a user issue that doesn't affect 99% of people who use matrix.
Matrix.org is an example/demo implementation of matrx synapse. You're not supposed to make your account on it unless you're just demoing how matrix works. It doesn't even have rich presence enabled, so you have a lot of features disabled and won't even see when people are online/offline if you use a matrix.org account as your main account.

>>106472494
>which is a user issue that doesn't affect 99% of people who use matrix
Except it does. Matrix.org has millions of users, the majority of the federated network. So many in fact that they've been having issues paying for it and are restricting features now.
Sure, this isn't technically a problem with the protocol itself, but it's still the reality of how it is currently used. And that's down to how it is being marketed and presented by the companies behind it.
Your posts are the equivalent of plugging your ears and going "lalalalalala"

>>106472539
No, all those accounts are example signups, throwaways, and people trying out matrix for the first time, since that's the purpose of an example server.
Anyone who uses matrix for more than a few hours picks a homeserver and signs up, and those people are unaffected by this databsae issue.

>>106472563
nice fantasy buddy

>>106472273
Who is gonna tell little bro that IRC has been dead for decades?

>>106472589
I can talk to all of my friends. I literally don't know anybody who uses the matrix.org homeserver.
Maybe use the platform properly next time and you won't have to embarrass yourself by posting this silly thread.

irc, xmpp, simplex chat

>>106472598
Maybe don't try to extrapolate from your bubble anecdote to the entire network of millions of accounts.

>>106472273
You can neither send pictures or other files on IRC nor can you voicecall, videocall or screenshare. We are not even talking about the same category of software.

>>106472640
Why shouldn't I if it doesn't affect me, and the problem is avoidable by having basic knowledge of the technology you use?

>>106472651
Because this isn't an argument about your bubble but Matrix in general.

>>106472664
You mean Matrix, the federated protocol in the OP image (with the attached text "it's over")? That logo isn't for the matrix.org homeserver you know? Because so far I haven't seen you back up your thread with any evidence that the Matrix protocol is in danger.

>everyone here using a different homeserver
>nobody says which one
fuck this thread

>>106471091 (OP)
Trannyware

>>106472702
It's the logo of both.
And I already told you that this isn't about the protocol itself right here >>106472539 but about how it's used in practice. Can you not read?

If everyone being on matrix.org is so bad why don't they just close registration and refer to other homeservers?

>>106472494
>Matrix.org is an example/demo implementation of matrx synapse
Why does Element preselect it and just tell me "Join millions for free on the largest public server" when I want to create an account then?
Where's the disclaimer that it's just an example instance?
I feel like you might be full of shit.

>>106472734
No amount of mental gymnastics will cause matrix to stop working for me just because nobody else cares to use it correctly, even if the matrix.org server shutdown permanently tomorrow, I would still continue to use matrix. So your argument doesn't make any sense actually.

>>106472321
>Here's the thing though: look at Discord's market share.
I'm not saying IRC is the alternative, it obviously isn't. I'm saying that [matrix] is bad and will never get mainstream adoption.
>>106472356
>people in country x, y and z are using it.
This doesn't change what I said. There's no point in shilling IRC, it's dead. Also could you imagine the sort of people who use Discord moving to IRC? That would be hell.
>>106472591
4 % 2 = 0

>>106472752
If you use an element instance hosted somewhere else, or a different distribution for the desktop version, or a different client, it will automatically select another server by default, since it's configurable

>>106472641
Second person to make an assumption that I'm advocating for IRC as a replacement for proprietary platforms such as Discord/Slack/X. I'm not, stop assuming things.

>>106472753
My argument is still not about you.

>>106472758
I'm not using an instance. I'm using the desktop version.
Fact is: They're advertising Matrix.org as the default, funneling new users towards it. And that's a problem.

>>106472762
Then fuck off nigga
If there are people still using matrix without any issues, matrix isn't dead.

>>106472760
Then don't mention it retard

>>106472769
>that's a problem
It's more like a basic competence and IQ filter

>>106472770
>I'm the only Matrix user that matters
okay retard

>>106472780
>he thinks I'm the only one who picked a homeserver

>>106472777
>don't mention something that isn't matrix or I might become confused
>retard
nice pyshit homeserver KEEEEEK

>>106472778
How would a user that is new to Matrix know which server to choose and what to look out for? Even a tech savvy person can't guess this shit. I would take the biggest and most used server is also the safest and most reliable one if I didn't know better.

>>106472796
Literally just look at the top 100 from a listing somewhere and pick one

>>106472802
>check top 100
>Matrix.org far and away has the most users
>must be good
>sign up there

>>106472812
Well no, because in that case you have no reason to use Matrix in the first place, so you have no reason to be using the software.
You are describing the mentality of someone who would just sign up for a centralized platform like Discord (or one with e2e like Signal)

>>106472737
They have been pivoting towards that by restricting features on Matrix.org because it's been getting unsustainable for them.
I'd link the blog post but that seems to also be down lmao

>>106472821
Nigger the average person doesn't even know what decentralized means they click sign up and use whatever is preset and that's the issue

>>106472844
Nobody finds Matrix unless they're specifically looking for a decentralized chat platform

>>106472539
>And that's down to how it is being marketed and presented by the companies behind it.
I think it's less a case of Matrix users not knowing about self hosting because of bad marketing, it's more that self hosting takes time, resources, some skill, some general upkeep, someone willing and able to do all that (not to mention other people trusting that someone to do it). For example, I know I should host my own Monero node, but I know it takes some setting up and an SSD dedicated to it, so I haven't gotten around to it. Plus there's the network effect - if you're a new user looking for a server to join and you don't have autism or a specific niche, you're most likely gonna join the one with the most users.

I agree with the other guy in that if you're on the matrix.org homeserver, then you're basically not serious about using Matrix, because that's not how it was intended to be used. Similar threads were going around when matrix.org introduced Cloudflare scans for uploaded media recently, complaining about "muh privacy" and whatnot, completely ignoring the point that any homeserver can set and enforce its own rules, without dictating them for the entire network.

>>106472591
>dead
IRC isn't dead just because you have ADHD

>>106473085
>because that's not how it was intended to be used
Yet this is what the flagship client shows you when you first launch it.
If that's not how it's supposed to be used they are doing a bad job at marketing and presenting.

>>106472844
>Nigger the average person doesn't even know what decentralized means
Honestly, that's a language problem. Too many similar terms with no fixed meaning. One concept is a single, unified instance, running on multiple backends (i.e. all users communicate together but it runs on 20+ different servers, so to kill the service you'd have to find and shut down all of them) - that's usually called distributed, federated or decentralised. My Matrix homeserver is the opposite of that - a private instance separate from all other users, but no redundant servers - access to it is completely centralised. Makes no sense to call it "decentralised", does it? Federation, in the context of Matrix, simply means server to server communication.

>>106473208
>marketing
What are they marketing exactly, in your opinion?

>>106472273
>matrix will never be adopted because it's a shit protocol with a shit spec,
facts
>IRC will never die due to its simplicity, minimal clients that are easy to secure, etc
dangerously factual

also: xmpp became the standard for nato countries for digital messaging over secure networks and secure radio communications.

>>106472591
>if i keep saying something is dead then it will totally happen, guys!
when your knuckles drag along the ground when you walk, how filthy do they get?

>>106473208
I imagine there's certain... problems with Element recommending homeservers they have zero control over. The first one that comes up when I search for public servers to join is furryrefuge.com. You can argue that finding and joining an alternative homeserver isn't clear enough or too hard or whatever, but literally all I have to do is click the first link on google and copypaste the first URL I see. I don't think it's "bad marketing" on behalf of Element; people who use the default simply don't care enough to use an alternative - blame them instead.

>>106473344
The solution would be to not recommend any.

>>106472447
im just saying it worked fine on my machine.
was it optimal? No.
did it function? Yes, for the most part especially if you don't federate, its more then enough.
(YOU) are right tho. Large chats did take a while to pull. But the pi didn't seem like the main bottle neck In that situation.The matrixorg HS takes forever to pull chats.

>>106472842
Maybe if they stopped developing synapse and finished dendrite it would stop being so unsustainable. But no, they actually want people using their own server so they need to make self hosting hard. Even if it becomes too hard for them, too.
>>106473379
Yeah, seriously. Just act like an email client.

>>106473379
Since you're talking about Element marketing their product, linking to their own homeserver is the quickest and most reliable way (...when it works) to showcase a working product to the user, which I'd say is the most crucial aspect of marketing. Are they supposed to start nagging people to find a different homeserver a few days after they join? Start kicking people off the server? Or not host one and let people play Russian roulette with random homeservers until they say "fuck this"? Host their own just to try out Element client?

I really think you are overestimating people's initiative and attention span. They want the easiest quickest way to get shit to a working state then forget about it. The fact matrix.org going down is a problem to so many people, should be clear proof of this. This is not bad marketing. This is people being (dumb and lazy) people.

>>106473442
>But no, they actually want people using their own server so they need to make self hosting hard.
See pic.

>>106473513
>Since you're talking about Element marketing their product
I'm more talking about marketing Matrix, the ecosystem. Call it advertising or evangelizing instead if you want.

>>106473536
You posted a pic of the Element client with the matrix.org homeserver as the default as an example of bad marketing. You think "flagship client" should be actively telling people to use something else instead of itself, when they're already using it? Synapse should be telling you to fuck off and install dendrite instead? matrix.org homeserver should actively be telling you to fuck off and use another homeserver? That's your idea of good marketing? matrix.org, the ecosystem homepage, lists different clients and servers, in no particular order. Why is that not good enough for you? And why is it so impossible for you to accept that people stick to defaults because it's convenient, not because the marketing department didn't tell them clearly enough that alternatives exist?

>>106472611
This is the winner combo. Instant messaging is a solved problem. We can move onto other things.

>>106473724
>And why is it so impossible for you to accept that people stick to defaults because it's convenient
I'm not, but it's convenient because it's the default. I'm saying there shouldn't be a default. They shouldn't offer that convenience.
If they intend for Matrix to be a decentralized network of servers then having a default goes against that. To increase decentralization the default should not be a thing.

>>106473767
The primary concern is to get people to use *any* Matrix client/server at all, over something like WhatsApp. Having a reference, default, working implementation, helps achieve that goal with minimal friction. Which specific client, server software or homeserver instance, are all secondary concerns that can be migrated to at any point after the fact.

>>106473852
The only people who are going to be using Matrix at all at this point are people using it out of spite for Teams, Discord, Slack, etc. They're highly motivated and will tolerate much more inconvenience than users of Slack, Discord, and Teams. Or they don't care and will go wherever the discussion on a topic is happening.
If anything the only reason to keep advertising matrix.org is most people live in pants shitting terror at the thought of someone saying a slur or other crimethink and consider it a damning failure of a platform more than any amount of inconvenience. They're wrong but they won't let anyone try to tell them that.

>>106473953
One is a Chinese company that literally sells all your chat logs the other one is a free open source messenger using state of the art security and technology, which part is the inconvenience here?

>>106473973
Having to set up a new user account with zero reputation and, for most users, the aforementioned fear that people will be more free to say things they don't like. And for discord users in particular a lot of them consider custom community emotes extremely important. They're wrong but they won't let anyone try to tell them that.
And because the danger of data sales is far less immediate, everyone just ignores it.

>>106473953
>They're highly motivated and will tolerate much more inconvenience than users of Slack, Discord, and Teams
Is matrix really so bad that it's more inconvenient than teams?

>>106472356
>mossad using it
Duh, they developed it.

>>106474108
Trying to figure out the whole federation thing is actually a big inconvenience for a lot of people if you want to maintain your account's reputation and post in rooms/channels on other servers. And there's a lot of defederation pitfalls to navigate that are dependent on moderation, not just spam activity, which damn you from the start depending on what server your account is on.
And it's certainly more inconvenient to set up a new actual Matrix server, than it is to set up a collection of channels that Discord calls a server but isn't a server at all.

>>106471091 (OP)
Why did it fail so hard? It feels like so much work went into it

>>106472539
What features have they restricted? Is this why I can't add people lately?

>>106474220
It did but then they somehow abandoned it for 10 years and didn't add anything new anymore

>>106472734
True
>>106472753
Bro you lost stop wheedling

>>106473208
True.
I've been using it for years and 95% of the people I know are on matrix.org and I only learned about the whole decentralization thing in this thread today.

Does /g/ have the highest population of schizos outside of /x/? Feels like a ton of people here can't even comprehend what other people are saying and just respond with whatever bs is in their head

>>106473953
>They're highly motivated and will tolerate much more inconvenience than users of Slack, Discord, and Teams
Huge (and wrong) assumption im considering going back to discord after this garbage

>>106474231
Blog seems to be working again. See here https://matrix.org/blog/2025/06/funding-homeserver-premium/

>>106474220
Element is so fucking ass holy shit 3 years of not implementing already implementable emoji reacts and forget about scrolling up in the chat lmfao

>>106474329
>BUY 4CHAN GOLD PLEAAAASE
kek
KWAB
S to spit

>>106474340
Correct, it's so bad. I don't want to use discord because of the crowd it attracts but there's really no alternative.

>Thread full of retards using account activity as a metric of a platform's value
The more accessible something is the more 90 IQ subhumans swarm it. You've learned nothing since the smart phone ruined the old internet.
>>106472796
Read the terms of service of a server and it tells you everything you need to know about (((who))) runs any given server.

>>106474386
Yeah element has literally 0 devs wtf. Also did I just see that matrix was written in python kek. It's my best language but even then LMFAO kek
>>106474446
No, they're saying that account
>retards using account activity as a metric of a platform's value
Is a phenomenon in the world. You've misunderstood.

>>106471165
What do you mean other? matrix home server was not trustable. Many others are, including mine and my many friends that run servers too. You're not invited

>>106472245
Retard

>>106472285
XMPP is garbage
It had its time and everyone abandoned it.
>>106472273
Matrix already has more users than IRC does.

>>106472287
Facebook and Google closed down their XMPP servers decade+ ago. This isn't even as bad as that., so no, you lost.

>>106474561
>Facebook and Google closed down their XMPP servers
Good. Centralization is bad for the ecosystem.

>>106472359
Synapse uses 200 megabytes of RAM with 100 users.

>>106472403
Not really. Some of the least active users maybe

>>106472563
This assumes the person has a brain.
>>106472598
This is the same case here.
>>106472752
But as you can see, there are plenty of people, like this retard, who are just extremely fucking stupid

>>106473297
Nope, XMPP is barely used. In fact, Matrix already has more users.

>>106474220
This is just a server, Their hard drives failed.
nothing to do with the protocol or software.

>>106474652
It's not a good look and the name is the same so the stain associates

GOOD.
The project is just a fucking mess and needs to be nuked. Sorry to everyone who worked on it who believed in it, but it was a disaster.

>>106474741
Learn to read.

matrix.org is back up
My homeserver never went down, so I didn't have any interruption.

>>106474778
Sorry my bad.

SHAME IT ISN'T THE ENTIRE PROJECT.
The project is just a fucking mess and needs to be nuked. Sorry to everyone who works on it who believed in it, but it is a disaster.

>>106474785
Same, never noticed, still don't

>>106473013
sadly true, i was looking for a reasonable replacement for me and the bois when the whole eu law and discord getting nuked,
my first choice was
revolt.chat - good but that shit forces you to use the desktop app which requires compiling on an x86
strafe.chat , rocket.chat , spacebar.chat had problems deploying them on my pi cluster
and finally ended with element.io which is less game but has the basic features of discord that our group wants.

Has anyone used both Matrix and Simplex and can compare them?

>>106471091 (OP)
>Matrix.org homeserver grinds to a halt after RAID meltdown
https://www.theregister.com/2025/09/03/matrixorg_raid_failure/
>Devs at Matrix right now ^

>>106474636
>why yes i believe the lies of the jewish owners
fascinating. you don't seem to understand what anon wrote. xmpp was adopted as a standard for various eu governments secure communications. matrix wasn't. have a guess why matrix wasn't taken serious? i'll save you time: because it was created by a mossad controlled company called AMDOCS. xmpp is completely open. get back into the oven, schlomo.

>>106475511
>matrix talks wild shit about being decentralized
>entire business is centralized on a shitty raid
the absolute state of israeli funded meme projects. my sides. they hurt from laughing.

>HEY GUYS! MATRIX GROUP SHOT! COME GATHER AROUND FOR A PHOTO FOR THE WEBSITE!
>oh! those that are in mossad or the IDF and don't want your face online, don't look at the camera!
>rest of the goyim: smile!
>*snap*

nothing suspicious about this matrix conference! none whatsoever!

>>106474551
I didn't type XMPP whatsoever

>>106475872
he was supposed to reply to me but he was kvetching so hard that he replied to the wrong person.

>>106475839
Or maybe they just didn't want to look into the sun for 5 minutes while some retard tries to make drone shots, I know, I know, not what you want to hear anon

>>106471165
Just pay like $3 a month for some cheap hosting and run your own.

>>106474652
sorry I meant, why did Matrix+Element fail to take off? Not this particular event. It's just like they're hyping it up constantly and saying so and so will be fixed, but like 10 years later it still sucks to use.

>>106477875
It's called moneygrab, same with AI companies

>>106477875
>why did Matrix+Element fail to take off?
Its fucking insane to host, if you have a user join one of the super large channels with 10-30k users the instance will start sucking up event states for every single one of those 10-30k users in that channel and absolutely fucking crush your storage. There is no real lightweight software option for people to host their own single user instances that don't cause runaway resource usage. There is Dendrite being developed by Matrix written in Go which is taking forever and there is one written in Rust but the bus factor on that project is insane and it will never get parity with Dendrite let alone Synapse which is the primary instance software written in Python.

Matrix's resource wastage via event states is a crippling flaw that it will never overcome, its a failed protocol. That there is no moderation tools or API ends toward that goal a decade in also make it crazy to host public instances because your users can go into floating pedo chat islands since channels can float without being bound to any server and use your instance to host CSAM.

>>106477924
>nooo we need censorship because... we just do!

>>106477924
wtf? you can't just like join a server and send a message? I join channel A on server A1 (big channel) then I also join channel B on server B2 (small channel) and B2 has to start processing stuff about A/A1??

>>106477924
Soon
https://github.com/teamspeak/teamspeak6-server

>>106477957
The instance has to poll other instances for event states to populate the channel to see who is in the channel, what permissions they have, what version the channel is, whether or not all the users are online or not. Its fucking stupid and this isn't a current thing, every time you go online, idle or offline is retained indefinitely years later. When you join a channel with 10-30k users the amount of event states is fucking NUTS.

>>106477973
Almost no public server even supports event states you stupid retard, even if you turn it on on your own small server every large room you join 99% of people will be on public servers and not send event states. Why is it always retards like you who larp so much about matrix but don't even know anything about it?

Im not going to host my own server

>>106478023
Why

>>106478031
Because discord will host it for me for free

>>106478011
I ran a public Matrix instance, Pleroma instance and countless other services from 2018-2024 Im not supporting these meme things any longer, time to dial the autism back and just use Discord like a normie and maybe you'll get some bitches on your dick faggot./

>>106471091 (OP)
fuck this gay shit im about to release topyc. be anonymous. do what you want. but also be prepared to be rate limited and community modded

>>106477958
>no source code
into the trash it goes.

>Monitoring - The database has been restore, and verification checks complete. matrix.org's Synapse has been started up again and we are monitoring

LMAO JEETED

>>106478062
I use Matrix and have bitches on my dick

>>106478011
>Almost no public server even supports event states

>>106471091 (OP)
As it should be. RETVRN to XMPP!
>>106474636
And? Relative to world population, Matrix has very few users as well. The few people who use Matrix have already demonstrated that they are willing to switch chat platforms and/or protocols, so they might as well do it again to a superior protocol (they already have to move homeservers every few months anyways because that's the time it takes for them to become unusable).

>>106471091 (OP)
just use session

>>106473013
I'm only on it because my irc channels were dying and some of the users there said to join them on matrix.
I have a generic matrix account because it's the first option and I don't give a flying fuck about any of the decentralised federated autism, I just want to chat with my bois.

>>106474785
Same. I think I have one person I've been trying to talk to recently who used morg, and everyone else is on places like CFA.

>>106478023
You could just use any matrix home server not named matrix dot org. For real, any of them except the main one are fine.

>>106475680
Wrong again, Schizo, also XMPP is directly funded by Israel, whereas Matrix is not. Matrix is indirectly one time donation by one company that had some to do with Israel decades ago.
XMPP is entirely paid for and developed by Israel.

>>106477715
By that, you mean, run it at your house, right? Only retards pay for VPS

>>106477924
The event states aren't actually an issue. Why do you say their decades old and crippling, nothing even happens. My disks sit idle

>>106478011
Because he can't read

>>106478023
You are on the wrong board, leave.
Unless you want to start hosting shit

>>106478283
Nope, XMPP always been shit and it still is shit and it's amazing that the 30-year-old software can be so bad.
There's only one client that has ever even worked and everything else is forks of that. It is truly an embarrassment.

>>106471165
>>106471807
Home server is two words, ESL.

>>106472591
How can you kill a protocol? Shit Telnet still works as does Gopher.

>>106478283
>RETVRN to XMPP
This. Gajim's latest UI looks slick af. Quite modern.

>>106472245
>The database has been restore, and verification checks complete. matrix.org's Synapse has been started up again and we are monitoring
Oh no no no we got too cocky bros

>>106471091 (OP)
It was over the second they decided to prioritize their slow and shitty python reference implementation over their Go rewrite instead of making a fast server their priority.

>>106471091 (OP)
thats what you get for using shitty raid instead of zraid

>>106471091 (OP)
so what are some alternatives that you can selfhost with discord like clients?

>>106480369
from my research
revolt.chat, strafe.chat , rocket.chat , spacebar.chat but element.io is still better

>>106478326
PTA?

>>106479613
No it's not stupid ESL
https://matrix.org/homeserver/

>>106479338
>There's only one client that has ever even worked and everything else is forks of that
What client are you even talking about?

>>106472356
>Germany
Biggest red flag than mossad desu.
They are hideously bad when it comes to coms security.

>>106479613
Yes, but it's spelled "homese rver"