Thread 106478250

I do not care for the modern computing experience. I long for the past.

same honestly. I miss the sense of wonder and adventure and controlling your own destiny, being in control, programming, adventuring, tinkering, exploring. now half of "devices" out there are locked down consoomer corporate bricks with locked bootloaders and locked OSes where you need a huge corp's permission for every action you perform on it, can't install your own software without it being signed and OK'd by them. and all software is dogshit that requires multicore ghz cpus and gigabytes of RAM just to put some text and images on the screen.

computers are now mostly corporate brick "devices" made for spying on you, for running big corporate apps, and for doomscrolling "social" media.
it's a dystopia and i hate it.

>>106478250 (OP)
Install Haiku

>>106478250 (OP)

Stop whining and just use what you want to use.

Same I don't understand modern computers.
>close 5 popups advertising features
>poorly thought out UX
>have to go through hoops for any sense of actual privacy
>lazy webslop UI
>looks like a phone
>uses an amount of resources that would have been considered unfathomable
>it's all adware
>>106478349
But I can't, it's not supported anymore :(

>>106478250 (OP)
>>106478309
>>106478363
Maybe what you're looking for is Oxygen theme in KDE Plasma? It's still fully supported in KDE Plasma 6, you just have to install a separate distro package, usually called "plasma-oxygen" or so, then switch your theme and icons to it. Unlike the other bullshit Plasma themes you get from the "Plasma store", this one is actually well made because it used to be the main theme.

>>106478347
Haiku is also a good option, will be amazing when it releases. Unfortunately it won't really be able to handle gaming, but for web browsing, media playback, stuff like that it will be phenomenal.

>>106478250 (OP)
I prefer Leopard/Lion, myself.
No theme comes close to the dark QuickTime UI though.

>>106478392
Plasma Oxygen doesn't really do it for me. It's still bloated and looks uncanny.

>>106478250 (OP)
Ugly

>>106478490
But enough about you...

>>106478250 (OP)
That's not the past. Current Mac OS is literally just a reskinned version of that.

>>106478440
Fair enough, to each their own I guess.
Btw here's a better screenshot, the one I posted before was KDE 4 but here is the Oxygen theme with dark colors on KDE 6. I had to disable window shadow because it's broken in my VM.
Personally I was looking for a long time for some comfy old-style UI because I hate new flat design. I needed dark mode as well and Plasma right now is the only one that checks all the boxes, until Haiku comes out and hopefully provides a better experience. But with software support Linux really is the only option if you want to have something that's both supported and able to run old Windows apps.

>>106478440
you should take some inspiration from the desktop thread, there's some pretty cool stuff there, be wary of the pedos tho
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>>106478309
>sense of wonder and adventure and controlling your own destiny
oh fuck you. you miss being a kid, dumbass

>>106478409
damn, looking at this it's obvious what a blatant copy of this unity was. and now gnome is a copy of modern macos. and with kde being a copy of windows 11, is there any actually original linux graphical environments other than, say, windowmaker?

>>106478918
>windowmaker
>original
>doesn't know windowmaker is a complete 1:1 clone of NeXTSTEP

>>106478918
kde is not a copy of win11 by any means, it has some similarities and its defaults resemble win11 but actually win11's window manager capabilities are a subset of kwin's and is infinitely more customizable

>>106478933
oh well
>>106478943
except more features (and those you don't copy well, like the macos' cursor enlargement thing they tried to mimic) doesn't mean original. it very much resembles the windows formula from the taskbar to the "start" menu

>>106478250 (OP)
get yourself an amstrad pcw8256 or pcw8512

>>106478933
>NeXTSTEP
window maker is just a window manager, NeXTSTEP is an OS, the closest thing is GNUstep

>>106479656
GNUstep is not an OS either despite the name, it's a Cocoa implementation.

>>106478309
try plan9 in a vm or something
the hardware support isnt great, the ui blows and the front fell off but its fun to tinker with and explore

>>106478309
I can get a 2011 x220 working well on freebsd with x11/i3 no bloat. That might be a path to consider if you need a really slim setup

>>106478886
Just skipping over the part about locked walled garden "devices", who's the dumbass?
You bought any computer in the 80s and it came with a fat book programming manual and sometimes schematics, you buy a "device" today and it comes with Facebook and Instagram and a bunch of trashware. And depending on the vendor you may not be allowed to uninstall it. On my shitty Samsung phone it wouldn't let me remove Facebook.
Shit like this is what i was trying to get at.

>>106479830
I'd like to try freebsd and netbsd. I've used Linux for 20 years but somehow hardly ever touched bsd except for installing openbsd on an old laptop ~13 years ago.

>>106479808
Based 9front shill

>>106478309
>sense of wonder and adventure and controlling your own destiny
It's not that serious bro LMFAO

>>106481588
> everything you do in modern society goes through a computer at some point on some level
> lmfao bro it's not that serious bro lmfao just be happy that google/apple/microsoft/amazon own you and your gear, chill out bro just watch some tiktok and youtube and forget all about it

>>106481633
Extremely gay

>>106478250 (OP)
There are good reasons to use old OS/software, offline. VMs let you abuse your computer in ways never thought possible, with less risks than in the past.

>>106481239
here's your fat book
https://developer.apple.com/documentation/
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/desktop/wpf/overview/
just because you're lazy today doesn't mean you can't do much more with the devices you buy today than back then

>>106478309
>I miss the sense of wonder and adventure and controlling your own destiny, being in control, programming, adventuring, tinkering, exploring.
It just felt like that because you were a kid

>>106481239
Retarded post. No-one is forcing you to use an iphone, faggot. If you want the kind of experience you describe go learn LFS.

>>106481755
How long was that? That shit looks new. Are we dealing with alphas already?

>>106478250 (OP)
Same, though not purely out of nostalgia.

>>106481788
>Are we dealing with alphas already?
Yes

>>106481788
alpha males, yes

>>106481771
>forcing
no one is helping kids discover that kind of experience either. we went from tech wiz kids doing everything from learning programming to breaking into the school's network to display porn on all computers for lulzies to shoving a glass slab up the face of our children and making them consume worthless bullshit for hours on end, meaningless stimuli impairing their development as human beings, for profit.
what a fucking tragedy, and saying "well but no one is forcing them lol" is exactly how they get away with it

>>106481755
My brother in christ we live in a world where you have to pay a subscription for fucking Discord themes.

>>106481706
Ok, now go and write your own software for your iphone or (in a couple years) your android WITHOUT registering some kind of developer account with apple/google and tell me how that goes

The computing you seek still exists but you refuse to use it.
You chose this future.

>>106481915
sure, that's a fair argument and something we should fight against, but your original argument was about computers, which are not affected by this.
also both android and ios allow you do deploy to your own phone via a usb cable without any kind of developer account or fee, and that won't change now or in the future
>or (in a couple years) your android
google is already making the move to require registration and signing apks for manual installation outside their app store

>>106478886
You can miss being a kid and also realize the world is way worse than it was before.

>>106478250 (OP)
>pic related
By then it was already fucked. Mac OS 9 is king.

>>106481990 (You)
>both android and ios allow you do deploy to your own phone via a usb cable
of course I mean through android studio and xcode for an app you have the source code of, not simply installing an apk or ipa. just clarifying.

>>106481992
true but the latter is often greatly distorted by the former
>man, fast food tasted so good back then. nowadays is just tasteless slop
nah, you were just delighted when mom and dad would take you to mcd and it just seemed like it was the best thing in the world

>>106478933
how about this?

>>106482041
French fries used to be cooked in lard/tallow. So the food was actually better back then.
I don't disagree that nostalgia glasses are stronger than reality but shit in the past was better for the most part.

>>106481992
Is there at least one zoomer in this retarded thread that didn't get molested?

>>106482124
I'm older than you

>>106482041
there's a difference between "good" and "better". mcdonalds was never /good/ but it was /better/ than it is now

>>106481990
> sure, that's a fair argument and something we should fight against, but your original argument was about computers, which are not affected by this.

"Smartphones" and "tablets" are computers, don't fall for corporate brainwashing that says they aren't.

Also this stuff is creeping onto things you might accept as being "computers" too, don't be blind to that.
There are laptops and desktop pcs (called "chromebooks" and "chromeboxes") with locked bootloaders you can't put your own choice of os on. Idk how software loading works on those but Google can decide to stop you running signed "apps" on those at any time.
There are also desktop and laptop computers that don't allow you to disable "secure boot".
It's a mistake to get complacent about this.

>>106481990
>>or (in a couple years) your android
>google is already making the move to require registration and signing apks for manual installation outside their app store

Yeah that's what i said

>>106482469
fair enough, but smartphones were always a limited platform. your phone is as much of a computer as a graphing calculator is, unironically. just because it has a screen and (sort of) a keyboard does not change that.
>Also this stuff is creeping onto things you might accept as being "computers" too, don't be blind to that.
sure that's a little worrying but it doesn't look like a major shift in the industry in that direction. I'm not complacent, I just don't see the crisis being as large as you describe.
see apple for example. I remember reading the asahi devs saying that apple went out of their way to include another way to boot into a kernel other than the one they use for macos, which is what made asahi possible in the first place. maybe it was something mean for debugging, or an unfortunate slip? sure but maybe, just maybe they did it on purpose, and afaik it's still there on the newer models
>>106482495
>Yeah that's what i said
except that isn't "in a couple years" at all, it's right now

>>106482610
>>Yeah that's what i said
>except that isn't "in a couple years" at all, it's right now

Oh ok. I just added that to preempt replies like "duh dumbass they haven't done it yet, look see I was able to install an .apk just now so that means you are wrong durp durp durp" but it seems like I'm now getting hit from the opposite direction of that lol

> see apple for example. I remember reading the asahi devs saying that apple went out of their way to include another way to boot into a kernel other than the one they use for macos, which is what made asahi possible

For now. I don't trust apple one bit, like how you used to be able to upgrade the RAM, upgrade the storage, etc, on macs and mac laptops, and they gradually took all of that away bit by bit, presumably as they started realising that they could get away with it and it wouldn't hurt their sales. I'm sure the moment they realise there wouldn't be meaningful retaliation, macs are going to get locked down too. It might take a while yet but I'm sure they'd love to do that. Meanwhile not owning your own stuff is getting more and more normalised.

>>106482693
>I don't trust apple one bit, like how you used to be able to upgrade the RAM, upgrade the storage, etc, on macs and mac laptops
yeah apple is pretty jewish about upgrades. I wonder if it's a case of selling lower end devices "at a loss" (like the current mac mini) and trying to offset that through people who want better specs.
can be (and probably is) just out of greed too.
but playing the devil's advocate, as I understand, there's a lot of benefits to soldering the ram, at least, like bandwidth and whatnot. also having a regular connector/socket is bulky and they have a boner for making things slim.
about storage I agree it's just pure greed and there's no reason to solder it to the motherboard, but at least it's one of the things that can be desoldered and replaced at a shop or at home if you know how to (I think they do it too, it's just the ram that's impossible to replace because it's essentially inside the cpu package)

>>106481822
Maybe you have to. I barely know what discord is

>>106481819
stfu faggot, the anon was responding to was talking about his personal experience not some hypothetical kids

>>106482828
The point is that you have a fraction of the control over your computer that you used to have.

>>106483710
Every single restriction to the control and freedom you have on your computer is a conscious choice you have made. Just don't choose cucked software.

is there an easy way to load OSX into a VM or something, just to experience it? I've always liked the look of it and never used a mac

>>106483710
wrong, in the past you had less control, alternate operating systems? yeah, nah. alternate bios? forget about it. open media codecs for the web? haha fuck you

you just have nostalgia

>>106483784
it's a little bit of a hassle but there are plenty of tutorials on it because it's the first step on building a hackintosh

>>106483784
Like the other anon said it's a pain in the ass but yes. It also works surprisingly well after setup https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM

>>106483798
>>106483811
thanks bros, I will have a look. maybe something to play with at the weekend

>>106483761
Correct, it's just that tech normies don't know how to circumvent the system so they have to settle for the slop.

>>106483887
says the guy using discord

>>106483895
the hell is that?

>>106481997
>literally less stable than win9x
>king
kek

>>106483761
Yeah, just reverse engineer encrypted firmware bro. Just circumvent security chips that actively exist to control your access to shit via attestation bro. Just make your own GPU drivers bro.
>>106483793
Back then you had all the control with a little bit of knowhow, nowadays hardware is actively hostile against you and as such so is its software.

>>106483988
Just don't buy cucked hardware bro.

>>106484051
Ah yes, freedom......to fuck off.

>>106483710
Maybe you don't. I have just as much - if not more - control than I ever have.

I've been thinking to myself for quite some time why there isnt a more projects for linux or bsd that can emulate these desktops. maybe not all the features but we should be able to have pixel perfect open source clones especially with the ability to generate code so quickly now. and im not talking about an xfce theme but a completely custom desktop environment. you could always have some sort of web control panel or just use applications from another gui toolkit until they were able to be implemented but i have never seen a pixel perfect implenmetation which is retarded it just pixels on a screen bro if i didnt have a job thats what i would be working on especially since the XP source code got leaked so literally every image related to taskbar and buttons is in there guis for desktops have essentially looked the same for the past 25 years why has no one made that tron shit yet its just troon shit

>>106484541
You confuse doing what you want with what you're allowed to.

>>106481997
How usable is Mac OS 9.2.2 in 2025? Can you even browse the internet and see webpages as they were intended?

you are a retarded gorilla, 15 years from now people will say they miss windows 10 and whatever macos version it is. the past wasnt that good, and will continue to be bad.

>>106478309
You can do all of that on Linux

>>106485654
15 years ago was 2010. I thought people would be nostalgic for the 2010s but you don't really see that much 2010s nostalgia like you always saw for the 90s and 00s. It seems like people who lived through the 2010s tend to agree that it was a pretty shitty decade not worth feeling nostalgic for

>>106478933
>>106482052
>looks suspiciously like a communist version of MacOS, compare to >>106478409

>>106481263
When you really need to tighten the belt hardware-wise its fine otherwise linux has better capability when you run freebsd on a server even, you have to consider all the software you will run on it if you cant plan the future stick with a good linux distro

>>106485765
are you blind or what, have you seen the copious amount of Win7 and frutinigger aero being created?

>>106478309
start using linux, stop using social media

>>106486531
vista came out in 2007, win7 came out in 2009. fruitynigger is a 2H '00s thing

>>106478250 (OP)
Being nostalgic for desktop interfaces is faggot shit. Computers are just tools.

>>106485767
it looks macos-like because it's a clone of nextstep, which is what macos x is based on

>>106478250 (OP)
>ugly brushed-metal redesign
why?

>>106486590
Computers in the 1990s:
>A tool for networking, finding information, and having fun
Computers in the 2020s:
>A tool used by the government and big corporations to track and manipulate your behavior
People will say "I'm not susceptible to being manipulated by the algorithms" but I guarantee you were balls deep in that late 2010s culture war BS which was almost entirely fabricated by social media algorithms in order to drive "engagement"

>>106486894
>Computers in the 1990s:
>>A tool for networking,
using computers made you a nerd in the 1990s. no one would like to network with you.
>>finding information
how? google nor wikipedia didn't exist yet. you better went to a library.
>>and having fun
computers were serious and no fun. that's why other people didn't understand nerds.

>>106486932
Are zoomers like you actually unaware that search engines were widely used in the 90s?

>>106485767
Why do you think every class in macOS API starts with "NS"?

>>106484998
less usable than win2k... way less.

>>106486932
>>106487094
Yahoo always sucked though, Altavista was always the better option.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IScosobYDo

>>106486892
>brushed metal
>why?
For the same reason they had the plastic striped design: to match their hardware.

>>106478250 (OP)
Tiger was peak UX. It has all been downhill from there, and not just for MacOS.

>>106478918
Here are some DEs, you can see most follow the same basic formulas. But a few are weirder, such as UDE and Sugar.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment#Examples_of_desktop_environments

>>106483811
>It also works surprisingly well
only if you have a compatible dgpu (rdna2, rdna1 or polaris)

>>106478347
It's great but no matter where I try it there's always something missing drivers

>>106489192
That's just the sad reality of smaller OSes. I really, really love the idea of Haiku but I'd have to find the right hardware to dedicate to it first. I'm too dumb to write drivers.

>>106489192
That's peak retro computing experience. It's just like Windows 9X.

>>106486649
>>106487233
I know that, I want to stress on the _communist_. It’s a communist version of MacOS, while people at Apple made it more appealing, lively and light; open source designers made it more grey, anonymous, and hard to read/unintuitive.

It’s the same as with Gnome that was looking like a communist version of Windows and now looks like a communist version of Android.

These are just facts

I miss being able to do more offline.

Using a computer without Internet connectivity feels so hollow now.

>>106491972
Cucked. Please continue to eat ze bugs and kys.

>>106478347
Haiku on bare metal is kino. If I had it on a faster machine it would be easy to daily drive. It's still somewhat buggy though.

>>106492433
Haven't used it in a while. Did it ever get a firewall?

i like my mac but that might be the worst aesthetic mac has had

>>106492540
Not that I know of. My understanding is that ports are only "open" when a service/application is using it though.

>>106488901
that's why I always keep my trusty Polaris cards

>>106491972
That's a (You) problem.
You can still do shit offline, it's that it doesn't feel as exciting or interesting anymore

>>106492651
As much as I like Haiku this is a showstopper for me. Maybe some other day.

>>106492980
It's a single-user OS anyway. At least the system files are set up as immutable.

>>106492433
>AMD E-series
Oooof

>>106493550
The funny thing is Haiku runs perfectly on it and is reasonably light. You're just not going to be playing HD video like in Linux because lol no acceleration.

cool, consider ricing linux then, theres already shit like ice2k and aerothemeplasma

>>106484713
>pixel perfect open source clones especially
you can't have it without rewriting entire graphics stack from the ground up

do you really need anything more than a webbrowser nowadays?

>>106482469
>There are laptops and desktop pcs (called "chromebooks" and "chromeboxes") with locked bootloaders you can't put your own choice of os on
Bullshit. It's easy to load coreboot.
>Idk how software loading works on those but Google can decide to stop you running signed "apps" on those at any time.
You can use the Debian VM that's literally an option in the settings to do whatever you want.

>>106481706
That should be included in the install and completely offline. Same with the devtools.

>>106484998
>How usable is Mac OS 9.2.2 in 2025?
Very usable.
>Can you even browse the internet and see webpages as they were intended?
Except for that.