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>>106481242 (OP)
How do you launch wine apps from a TTY, without a DE? I know you still need a display server, but what do?

How long can I go on using Debian 11 for? If companies pay for extended support, doesn't that mean you get the updates too?

>>106481298
I doubt it. What are you using Debian 11 for btw?

Is there a system tray "box" like there is on Windows 7? I am using Mint. The icons on the right just spread all over the place rather than stacking into a toggeable box like on Windows.

>>106481584
There is on any distro with KDE Plasma. The sooner you get rid of Mint, the better.

>>106481597
I did try KDE with Fedora but it's genuinely ugly as sin no matter how i config it. A genuine eyesore like Gnome.

>>106481297
you could run it with a display server, like "gamescope wine " will work from a tty, because gamescope is itself a wayland compositor, it can be run standalone

>>106481628
Plasma is highly themable, so if you really like Cinnamon's flatter look, it ain't hard to replicate. But for me, it's gotta be AeroThemePlasma.

>>106481669
That's a lot better. I dislike modern flatshit so much. Will try aero!

>>106481662
I've got a mad scientist experiment planned with a Raspberry Pi and box86. Should I use Wayland instead of xorg?

>>106481298
Until the end of time
https://snapshot.debian.org/
You won't get any updates after they scrap it from regular mirrors

I've seen people ricing the steam deck of all things since it runs linux. I read it's based on arch and it uses kde but can you really run a wm on top of kde? isn't kde in itself a wm?

>>106481678
Glad you like it! There's a guide to install it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9EM1VbbXLY

>>106481798
SteamOS is an immutable fork of Arch that uses KDE for its desktop mode. The main mode is the Deck's big picture mode, but you can switch to the desktop mode quite easily and install things to it via Discovery installing Flatpaks.

>>106481807
So i get to the part with
$ chmod +x compile.sh && ./compile.sh
$ sh compile.sh
But all i get is pic rel no matter what i do. I am confused.

>>106481866
No cmake compiler could be found? Did you install all the dependencies first? The pinned comment lists all the dependencies for Arch, Fedora, and Debian/Ubuntu.

>>106481885
What if i am on opensuse?

>>106481844
right but what happens to plasma once you install, say, i3?

>>106481946
You're gonna have to look at all the dependencies and find out what the equivalent packages on OpenSUSE are called.

I'll do my damnedest to sort this out for you, gimme a tic.

>>106482007
I'll see what i can find. Thanks for the help. Hope there are equivalents at all.

>>106482046
So far, I'm finding that most of the Fedora dependencies are similarly named on OpenSUSE. The two distros share RPM roots after all.

Try installing the Fedora dependencies, and tell me which ones could not be found.

>>106481866
the 2 lines you posted are equivalent, you need to run only one

Trying to install linux. I've downloaded the debian dvd and used rufus.exe to put it on a usb. I've rebooted, and in the boot menu selected the usb. Now I have a black screen. I suspect it's running on the onboard graphics (ast2600 bmc), even though there's nothing connected to the vga. I have my monitor connected through hdmi to a displayport adapter to a nvidia quadro rtx 4000.

What can I do? I do not have a vga cable or vga capable monitors.

>>106482304
Okay, nevermind I just connected to the bmc instead and will install through there. One question, though, is there a way to force it to use the nvidia card? I'm worried during installation it'll take the current configuration as the default and not bother installing display drivers, so even after installation I'll be left with a black screen.

>>106481866
I believe this should sort out your dependencies:
sudo zypper install --type pattern devel_basis && sudo zypper install cmake extra-cmake-modules gmp-ecm kdecoration6 plasma-framework kf6-karchive kf6-kcmutils kf6-kcrash kf6-kglobalaccel kf6-kguiaddons kf6-ki18n kf6-kiconthemes kf6-kio kf6-kirigami kf6-knotifications kf6-kpackage kf6-ksvg kvantum-qt6 kwin libepoxy libplasma6 ninja plasma-wayland-protocols qt6-qt5compat qt6-multimedia qt6-svg qt6-virtualkeyboard qt6-wayland wayland

>>106481669
Can you make it look like Windows 2000? If so, how because I'd love that.

>>106482366
>Can you make it look like Windows 2000? If so, how because I'd love that.
Nobody has made a notable theme for kde plasma that does that.

>>106482366
>>106482376
Idk about Plasma, but there is xfce-winxp-tc for Xfce, which includes the Windows Classic theme.

>>106482400
That's XP not 2000, I thought 2000 has a different looking classic theme.

Is there something like msi afterburner for linux?

And how do I monitor my gpu and memory temps? I'm used to hwinfo64 in the corner.

>>106482471
>Is there something like msi afterburner for linux?
Yes mangohud.

>>106482492
Oh, sorry, I should clarify I mean for easily and conveniently changing power limits, clock speeds and fan curves.

What about something like hwinfo64 that resides in the system tray but has icons that tell you the temp at a glance?

>>106482530
I think you can change your clocks in your GPU vendor's control panel. Plasma also has widgets for temps and stuff that you can put on your system tray.

>>106482576
Very nice, thanks anon. Do you know how to make debian use my nvidia gpus? I just finished installing debian with kde, and I'm booting to a black screen.

>>106481063
summers over kids are back to school

>>106482576
Okay, connecting via the bmc, I can see the login screen, and after logging in, I've got display output. But how do I make it use my gpu first so I can actually see stuff before I log in?

>>106482599
Something with nomodeset in kernel parameters. Google can help.

>>106482599
>I'm booting to a black screen.
Apparently that's normal with NVIDIA. Just give it 5-15 minutes because it's doing some stupid first-time setup. If you still get a black screen then you might've installed the wrong drivers lol

>>106481242 (OP)
imagine being at computers

>>106482615
Thanks anon, I have no idea where to start looking on linux troubleshooting so pointing me in a direction helps a ton.

>>106481669
what the fuck is this real

>>106481298
i think another 2 years or 4 years before it gets archived and drops all support
You might want to consider switching distro if you're staying on debian 11 for the i386 architecture. Or maybe someone will volunteer to maintain the missing pieces for debian 12 i386

>>106482622
It's seeing the ast2600 in my system and using that as the primary 'gpu'.

>>106482640
AeroThemePlasma is the real deal.

>>106482366
There's a chicago95 theme for xfce and some other desktops but its more for the win95 appearance than 2000 though the differences between them are minimal

>>106482636
iirc, first you gotta boot with nomodeset, then install the proprietary drivers/remove the foss drivers. Then it should boot normally.

Been a while since I have used anything but Intel iGPUs.

>>106481798
I wonder why he didnt use sway instead of i3

>>106482678
Uh, okay, so I disabled the virtual monitor so that it'll display on my physical monitor, but everything has disappeared... How do I get the taskbar back?

>>106482701
Are you on plasma Wayland or plasma xorg?

>>106482718
I'm not sure. I'm trying to switch from windows to linux for performance reasons, but I haven't studied linux extensively. I just used the debian installer iso that's 4.7gb, and selected kde over gnome in the installer.

>>106482325
You can blacklist the onboard graphics

>>106482348
thanks, will try!

Should I add myself to the sudoers file? Would there be any risk in doing that? I switched to a tty but forgot I disabled the virtual monitor so I can't switch back to it anymore.

>>106482744
Thanks anon, in the modprobe.d blacklist conf?

>>106482743
Tbh I'd rather use something else if I were you. Debian isn't the most user friendly for noobs. Start with Ubuntu instead, or Kubuntu. They have better driver support.

>>106482684
probably easier to find documentation and dotfiles for i3. with that said I don't know how that would work on wayland

>>106482701
maybe the panel and stuff were "tied" to that other monitor. try right-clicking on the desktop and see if there's an option to "customize widgets" or something, and there should be a "restore to defaults" button that should recreate the standard desktop configuration

>>106482796
Doesn't ubuntu come with a lot of bloat?

>>106482788
>Thanks anon, in the modprobe.d blacklist conf?
Yeah i believe so. I don't remember what name you need to use though.
And regarding your sudo question, do as root
usermod -aG sudo "$USER"
and log back in

>>106482797
Theres not much difference between i3 and sway in configuration its close to being 1:1 in compatability

>>106482743
Yeah Debian does take a little bit of work. While you can use it as a desktop OS, it's primarily made for servers in mind and everything else is kind of incidental. Debian for instance defaults to ext4, which is great for servers (and still superior to NTFS), but Btrfs is just better for desktop use. We'll help you get Debian up and running, so don't worry.

Since you've been playing around with multiple (virtual) monitors, perhaps your taskbar is drawing onto a different (virtual) monitor? Try pressing Start+P to pull up the video out selector; it works just like in Windows.

>>106482832
>Would there be any risk in doing that?
I imagine there's a reason they didn't put me in there on installation right?

>>106482848
A decade ago, I used debian for my hypervisor. But I spent most of my time in the guests, and I've forgotten nearly everything.

>>106482796
The whole Ubuntu family just isn't good, man.
>>106482817
Yep. If you want up-to-date distros with minimal manual configuration needed, CachyOS has some of the best onboarding of any mutable distro. Aside from not coming with Pamac preinstalled, CachyOS has absolutely 0 setup.

>>106481242 (OP)
Fedora KDE newbie here, switched from windows about a month ago. Can you guys recommend some good kde themes?

Hello anons, I have a bit of a problem.
When I was a teen I inherited my mom's Nokia Lumia (Windows phone) after she bought herself a new Huawei phone. I used it for many years until I got a new phone and it has largely sat in a box, forgotten, since then.

Today I got the idea to check if the little machine still works and to retrieve any data I haven't already. The phone still works well and it has many old images that I haven't backed up anywhere, I forgot to do it back then because I was tired and lazy.

Now I have a problem, my system can't see the device, lsblk only shows the disk inside my laptop and its partitions - no external devices are recognised even though the phone is plugged into a healthy USB 3.0 port via an equally healthy cable and data transfer through USB is enabled on the phone. Even my file manager (Thunar) doesn't see anything except my laptop's filesystem.

I am running Arch Linux that is 2 or 3 weeks behind the latest updates, if that information is relevant. I didn't update because the mirrors were getting DDoS-ed, I wanted to wait it out.
I will do an update now, just in case.

What should I do, anons?

>>106482860
>I imagine there's a reason they didn't put me in there on installation right?
Its a bit of a legacy thing but the installer would've said that if you don't enter a root password it'll setup sudo and automatically add you to the sudo group

>>106482848
After rebooting, I switched to 'laptop' screen, but there's nothing there.

I think I'll try to blacklist the ast2600 first, kde is make it very hot.

>>106482901
Thanks, that's good to know. Makes things a lot easier if I'm admin.

>>106482879
I like klassy for window decorations, you can fine tune almost every aspect of it through GUI
take a look into a binary application style called vinyl as well

does anyone have an idea about how to remove the shadow below the panel on kde plasma?

Alright... I've made a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ called blacklist-ast2600.conf with the contents:
>blacklist ast
Since that's the module that was reported in lspci -k.
I then ran update-initramfs -u as root and rebooted...
But now I fail to boot properly, and it's still using my ast2600.

I think I'll go to sleep and install ubuntu tomorrow to see if that's any better.

>>106483113
Actually, now that I shut it down, I realized it may actually have worked in that it could have been using my quadro. Compared to >>106482908, you can see the monitor light on the lenovo connected to the quadro is white instead of amber. It's doing something. Just that something is a black screen.

>>106482885
Nevermind anons, I used the Android file transfer for Linux (android-file-transfer package on the official repositories) and it worked perfectly.
I spoke too soon.

Oh well, if anyone else will have this specific problem in the future, at least my solution will be archived by 4plebs and the like.

>>106483163
I never get any search results from here though. Write it as a reddit post or something for posterity's sake.

I got all of my work applications working through wine, open RGB added support for my fan's controller, my AIO screen works with coolercontrol, I no longer need a Windows VM. I am free

>>106483092
I think you can get a modified breeze theme without the shadow directly from that "get new" button on the system settings page, search for "no shadow" there

>>106483194
What do you mean anon? Is it the text formatting?
I'm sorry, but I don't really understand, I try to stay away from reddit as much as I can and I'm generally not too keen on mimicking reddit-style writing.

If you mean it as in posting my issue on a tech-related or Linux-related subreddit, then I'm afraid you're out of luck as I have no desire to create an account on that site. I had one briefly many years ago, but I deleted it when I saw the site was going to shit. However, you are correct in saying that if I did so, my solution would be way more visible on the internet.
Your suggestion is reasonable, so I will consider the possibility of creating an account on the Arch forum in the near future (I dislike everything requiring an account, as creating one often requires giving lots of personal information nowdays).

>>106483209
thanks for the suggestion, but it's either the download links are broken or it just didn't work like how I expected it to be. I have found that it can be customized through panel colorizer though

>>106482366
There are a few win2k themes, but honestly the best I've seen were for Xfce and Trinity (fork of KDE 3).

>>106482879
This is a VERY subjective thing anon. Just go to the "Global Theme" and "Get new", and sort by downloads.
To me, the default "Breeze Twilight" theme is the best. But I prefer light mode over dark mode (for content).

>>106483427
>posterity's sake
>Oh well, if anyone else will have this specific problem in the future
Yeah, just anywhere that the search engines will scrape and return as results near the top. Arch forums are good too. 4chan doesn't really appear as search result for problems and solutions.

Is there an actual reason to use gentoo outside of meme reasons? I mean there obviously is but all I see are memes

>>106483668
It's just a meme and a waste of time

>>106483668
zfs works better because you're compiling it with the kernel anyway. I think picking and choosing what software you want to run untested is easier since you just change a use flag and there's less likelihood you'll run into incompatibilities since you're compiling it.

the cflags are kinda moot and the use flags are kinda necessary since youre compiling from source and don't want to waste time building features you don't want.
for the most part it's negligible benefit in terms of both disk/ram usage and execution speed.

Why are GTK dialogs so dogshit slow?

>>106483668
What Google uses it for, semi-custom appliances.

Who is using OpenSUSE on 32-bit these days? Why are they still supporting it with the latest kernel and packages? How is it viable? Even Debian dropped support for it.

>>106481966
You can't install extra packages like the i3 window manager (unless you build and install it in your home directory which is theoretically possible). The people "ricing" the Deck are likely using custom firmware which you can flash with ease because Valve doesn't lock anything down. It's basically a little mini PC in your hand.

>>106484164
Most likely they don't have the release blocking requirements Debian had. When Debian supports something they mean it. That means an architecture that has broken packages or build issues can prevent and block releasing updates for all of the AMD64 users most of which don't even own a single 32-bit system anymore.

Probably some hobbyist at SUSE is bored would be my guess. It's not hard to provide 32-bit images, supporting it and keeping everything building is the hard part.

is fscrypt (for btrfs) ever going to be done?

>>106481421
I have old computers.

>>106481752
I won't want to use it online once there's no more security support.

>>106482647
I'm lazy and generally stick to the same distro version for years. I am not sure if they will include i386 when they transition bookworm from security team to LTS team.

>>106484260
Maybe but just use LUKS instead. Fscrypt is only useful in some niche scenarios.
https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/software/general-linux-open-source/1567117-btrfs-sees-urgent-fix-following-recent-reports-of-log-tree-corruption?p=1567307#post1567307

>>106484259
I'm curious how long it will last. It's not even the LTS version. I'd use it once Debian 12 no longer gets security updates.

>>106484164
I'm using opensuse aswell! very comfy distro, i'm on tumbleweed.

I want to learn to be a computer magician with self-hosting things, making scripts, connecting my phone to a desktop, windows manager etc. The problem is that at the moment I can only dedicate an old laptop to try it out. Which distro should I choose? Mint? I also need the support for various language keyboards

>>106484260
Not any time soon. Consider ceph or zfs if you actually need directory encryption.

>>106484362
Bluefin or Aurora, depending on if you want GNOME or KDE.

>>106484362
arch or debian.
probably just debian tb.h. mint is complete ass. i'm frankly tired of people recommending it when debian exists.

>>106481242 (OP)
>update shitfox
>suddenly the main process consumes twice as much memory and stutters
fuck i really dont want to use chrome but everything else is so bad

>>106484106
Zenity uses gtk4 now
You can thank GNOOOOOME
If you really want to you could switch to kdialog instead. Or use something like rofi/dmenu

>>106484382
You gotta calm down with the shilling. He said he's using an old laptop which means its probably going to struggle with gnome or kde
>>106484384
Mint and ubuntu are just debian for newbies. If you're not experienced enough then its not a good idea to switch to debian since theres a lot of manual work involved

>>106484525
>he's using an old laptop which means its probably going to struggle with gnome or kde
It depends on how old. Both ran fine on an old shitty laptop I had.

>>106484525
a laptop would have to be incredibly old for gnome to be slow, like well beyond 10 years old

Thinkpad t480 with i5.
I used to use Debian for a while on different machine, after the big new version release, idk, year or two ago, but get bored quickly
I do care about easy to set up dualboot though

is there a file picker with built-in good search
i want something similar to Listary on Windows: when prompted to select a file, a search box appears that very quickly fuzzy-searches across the whole filesystem and then you can select what it found right there

Xubuntu has this version of minimal installation, and it sounds interesting. The Odin Project recommends derivatives of Ubuntu

What the fuck is xlibre? I thought everyone was moving to wayland

>>106481298
Sexy mouse

>>106484912
It is the last stand of X11

>>106484497
For your own scripts you can do that but you often have no control over it if it's some other script or application calling it (e.g Steam).

I guess you just have to wait 4 seconds longer now.

>>106485027
I swear these X11 stans are the boomers of linux

>>106484912
I'll be on Xorg/Xlibre until Wayland stops being shit.
i.e. forever.

>>106485077
Well it's the boomers of Linux that also brought us Wayland. They're just stuck in their ways.
>>106485087
You could say the same in reverse. I will keep using Plasma Wayland until Xorg/Xlibre stops being shit.

We shouldn't pretend that either Xorg/X11 or Wayland is perfect, neither of them are but at least Wayland is slowly getting fixes and improvements to it.

If the XLibre people want something modern that normal people will want to use then they've got a lot of catching up to do.

>>106484362
If you truly want to learn and understand the art of magic, you should install Arch Linux. It's not a meme it really works just like magic.

>>106481798
KDE is a software suite, Plasma is a desktop environment and kwin is the window manager it uses.

>>106482817
>bloat
is a meme. Even an install of everything in Debian amd64 only takes 688GB
https://www.debian.org/mirror/size

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>>106485193
uuuh

Does using a lightweight DE like lxqt provide me more fps in games? My specs are a 10th generation intel i3 and 8gb of ram.
i'm on xfce if that matters.

>>106485358
>more fps in games
No. It's just using less storage, less RAM and has less animations and desktop effects so using the desktop is less sluggish on very, very weak devices with shitty integrated graphics. When you're gaming you're not interacting with your desktop at all, so you won't have any overhead (aside from RAM). Your fps should be identical, and any performance difference between various compositors are in the margin of error.
Since you have only 8GB RAM you would probably benefit from using Xfce or Trinity, instead of KDE, GNOME, Cinnamon, Budge. It would potentially save you up to 500MB of idle RAM.
>i'm on xfce if that matters.
Then you're already using the most functional lightweight DE. Xfce isn't any more heavier than LXQt/LXDE and it's much better than those two.

>>106485358
No, because the compositor should disable itself in full-screen applications so the benefits of a more lightweight environment are almost zero.

I'd like to add Krita to XnViewMP "R-click > Open with" context menu.
Adding GIMP was straightforward: I simply selected the appimage from the dialog.
But Krita is a flatpak there's no "excutable" file to select. The Krita desktop shortcut is:
>/usr/bin/flatpak run --branch=stable --arch=x86_64 --command=krita --file-forwarding org.kde.krita @@ %F @@
Where is the executable / How do I add it?
Thanks

>>106485544
The executable is /usr/bin/flatpak, you can't run it directly. If you need that then make some wrapper script that calls flatpak with the appropriate arguments and then have XnViewMP exec that.

>>106485606
>>106485544
For example, you can make a script like this:
>/usr/local/bin/krita-open
#!/bin/sh
gtk-launch org.kde.krita -- "$@"


Then you can add executable permissions to it:
sudo chmod +x /usr/local/bin/krita-open

Then you can add that executable as something to launch.

>>106485677
Also, maybe do:
exec gtk-launch org.kde.krita -- "$@"

Instead since there's no reason not to.

>>106485606
Is there a tutorial somewhere? I don't know anything.

>>106485726
Yes:
>>106485677
>>106485688

That should work.
You can test it in a terminal (gtk-launch org.kde.krita -- /path/to/some/image/file.jpg should open Krita with your image) then just slap it in a script somewhere and point the program to it (scripts are executables too).

>>106485742
Really XNViewMP should add support for reading .desktop files and listing the applications from that though.

Requiring pointing to an executable directly is a bit of an old-school way of doing things.

>>106482455
The one in the project is Windows Classic, which is the same as 2000's. It probably doesn't look right because I haven't added support for gradient titlebars in the XFWM4 theme yet. Still a lot of things left to do so I couldn't really recommend it yet unless you wanted to have a play in a VM. :p

>>106485742
>>106485688
>>106485677
Thanks.
The script works from terminal, with some errors:
>22:33:41.029: Failed to load module "xapp-gtk3-module"
>Qt: Session management error: Could not open network socket
>QObject::startTimer: Timers cannot have negative intervals
>/app/lib/krita-python-libs/krita added to PYTHONPATH
>Warning: requested data for unknown action "path-break-at-selection"
but does not work when launched from XnView.

>>106485769
The first thing I tried to select the desktop shortcut but it didn't work.

>>106485544
The executable is /usr/bin/flatpak and you have to pass the correct args to it to launch krita
If you really need an executable, you should be able to find a shell script somewhere in /var/lib/flatpak/exports/bin/org.kde.krita or somewhere similar, i dont remember the exact location for system flatpaks

>>106481242 (OP)
What's a good email client that's not Thunderbird? It's super clunky and I don't like how it looks and how the emails it composes look in other machines.

>>106485878
just use your browser like a normal person

>>106485878
claws-mail , slypheed , geary ,evolution
I've only used claws-mail

>>106485801
Is XnView MP also a Flatpak? Maybe it's a bug with how it's doing things in the Flatpak environment.

I think you would have to use flatpak-spawn --host like this but it requires granting extra permissions to the Flatpak:
$ flatpak-spawn --host -- gtk-launch org.kde.krita
Portal call failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown
Hint: --host only works when the Flatpak is allowed to talk to org.freedesktop.Flatpak


Why GIMP worked but Krita didn't I'm not sure.

>>106485864
>If you really need an executable, you should be able to find a shell script somewhere in /var/lib/flatpak/exports/bin/org.kde.krita or somewhere similar, i dont remember the exact location for system flatpaks
There is no script you're thinking of Snap that does that.

You can make your own though like:
>>106485677
>>106485688
But it sounds like something is just wrong with XnView MP for some reason.

>>106485943
Actually, I'm wrong. There is one. I don't know how I missed that before.
Has Flatpak always done that?

I guess they can just point it to ~/.local/share/flatpak/exports/bin/org.kde.krita in that case.

>>106485983
Although it doesn't look like that's visible to the Flatpak, so again we're back to needing flatpak-spawn --host permissions.

I think there was a portal that was supposed to solve this problem but the application has to implement support for it.

Do i understand correctly that Fedora is a user friendly distro for everyday use that doesn't struggle with newer hardware like Mint does?
Want to switch from microshits system on my pc for gaymin and everyday use

>>106486212
Im a bit biased but I'd say use a flavor of arch.

>>106486212
It is a reasonably user-friendly system targeted at intermediary users.

There is still some things that are far from user-friendly like the video codecs mess.

Hey guys i need help:
I am running ubuntu server for nextcloud on n150 mini pc, and i keep getting this red bluetooth driver error for some reason some h2c slop, either way i never want to use BT on this device and want this error gone, it is anmoying. Can i simply disable BT or something? Please help

>>106486212
You'll probably have a better experience with Aurora than regular Fedora. It's much more user-friendly. The standard Fedora doesn't ship with almost anything proprietary and requires you to manually enable their RPM Fusion repository and install stuff you need.

>>106486234
systemctl disable bluetooth

How can I amplify my audio output over 100%? I use a pure ALSA setup.
It would be easier to get an analogue amp, wouldn't it...

>>106482784
Let us know if it worked!

>>106486498
just get a usb dac/amp put the volume to 100% and use the volume knob to control it

>>106487205
I mean it's just a fucking multiplication per sample. Why does this have to be so difficult?

>>106487256
are you asking why it's difficult to put more volume out of a device that is at it's maximum volume?

>>106487264
I'm streaming something in firefox that has a low audio volume. Output at maximum hardware volume is still too quiet. The default ALSA setup provides no way to make it louder.

Are the Arch mirrors still fucked? I'm only getting 150KB/s regardless of the mirror I select.

>>106487299
have you tried ranking them?

>>106486498
>I use a pure ALSA setup
Don't you have alsamixer or something? Try looking for a setting like this in your mixer.

>>106487293
you gotta remux with a volume gain

>>106487358
Yes, all volume controls are at maximum.

>>106487401
How?

>>106487415
>How?
nvm you're streaming so you can't mux the files. you can add gain in the alsa config using softvol and mix it back into the output.
https://github.com/markc/alsa/blob/master/lib/md/Softvol.md

>>106487329
They are ranked. Turned out to be an issue with my router. No idea why that would cause one particular connection to be bad.

>>106487299
>150KB/s regardless of the mirror
Too consistent. Sounds like something's wrong in your end.
>Arch mirrors still fucked
You'd expect a portion of them to be fucked at any given moment as they are run by randos.
>>106485891
>no email notifications

>>106487551
>>no email notifications
Sounds like a shit web mail provider. Mine provides push notifications in the browser.

>>106487463
>so you can't mux the files.
You would have to reencode the files, which is completely pointless, because you could just use the builtin volume filters of your video player. However, I have to use firefox for this, and firefox doesn't seem to offer a builtin filter.
> you can add gain in the alsa config using softvol and mix it back into the output.
>https://github.com/markc/alsa/blob/master/lib/md/Softvol.md
This simply doesn't work. They don't show up in alsamixer.

>>106487956
>However, I have to use firefox for this, and firefox doesn't seem to offer a builtin filter.
Is there not a web extension that can do this?

>>106487956
you write an asoundrc to create the softvol. just ask ai

I want to install Fedora through the Everything installer in order to trim down lots of the jank that comes by default with the Plasma Edition, and just as learning excercise in general. Any of you have done something similar? I'm worried in case i get locked out of my Wifi network (this laptop doesn't have an Ethernet port).

>>106488017
I tried several that I found. Maybe the problem is that alsamixer only does real audio devices, and I would have to use something else to change the volume comfortably. Linux is such fucking garbage, holy shit.

>>106488056
I've never heard of alsamixer before, and audio just works on my distro. Which distro are you on?

>>106488193
he wants to modify the decibel floor on a source of audio using alsamixer but can't into asoundrc

>>106488193
To be fair, using ALSA is part of the reason it doesn't just work for them and why they're having issues in the first place.
Had they used a proper sound server like PipeWire then this is a simple thing to do in EasyEffects.

Opensuse Tumbleweed

>>106489244
... is a really mid distro

what do i have to put into mpv.conf to git rid of white tracking thingy

Does anyone know what causes this?
I blacklisted the onboard graphics (ast), and installed the proprietary nvidia drivers and cuda. Then rebooted. Now I don't have any video output other than that weird line.

>>106489249
t. Gecko hater

>>106489294
I loved the Gex games actually

>>106489280
If I disable the ast blacklist, it still flashes that line for a second before turning off the display (with the proprietary drivers installed). It then just uses the bmc's virtual monitor. But unlike before, kde's settings program only shows the virtual monitor used by the bmc instead of the actual, physically connected monitor >>106482701

Luv me mint

>>106489342
Okay, I tried running nvidia-xconfig, but that did nothing both with ast and ast blacklisted.

I have no idea.

>>106489264
>picrel
Sauce?

Am I reading this correctly? There's some processes on the nvidia gpus, and the login screen should be on the third one (which is weird, because the only gpu with a cable plugged in is the fourth one, a quadro 4000). But when I move the cable to the third gpu (and even on all the other gpus), I still get no output. Not even a black screen - my monitor turns off after a while.

>>106489510
it literally has a internet site in bottom right hand conner are u really that brain dead?

Alright, I'm reading the file nvidia-xconfig generated... and the section "device" part should be where it chooses which gpu to use right?
The bus id should be the same as what appears in lspci right? But I don't have anything at 97:0.0?

>>106489587
There must be thousands of videos on that website. How do you expect me to find that particular one, Mr. Smarty Pants?

>>106489635
Nevermind after further reading, it looks like it's decimal but lspci is hex. I'll try specifying the gpu with the monitor plugged in and see if that works. 6d is 109 right?

kde is nigger
> use kwin_x11
> open 'cage blah' for one specific w*yland-only pos
> every new app launches in cage now
nigger

oh, and running 'systemctl --user restart plasma-kwin_x11' while cage is running casts forbidden black magic, don't try at home, shit actually breaks

>inb4 use oyveyland
nah, im back to wm, fuck this de shit

>>106489733
Well the good news it that it worked, and I now have display on my physical monitor, and nothing appears at all on the bmc's display.

I even saw the debian background behind the startup messages, that was pretty cool. Plymouth boot screen?

The bad news is that it's back to black screen. Switching to tty1, I can see the start up messages. Everything looks ok.

But now I have no idea what's wrong and where to start looking for errors/troubleshooting. Any ideas?

>>106489794
Lenovo monitor model number?

>>106489840
Not too sure, I got this from my little brother, so I don't have the box.

>>106489840
D27-40 / D22270FD0

Is there a way to list connected monitors without having to start xorg? Maybe it's a configuration issue, and I need to specify the display just like I needed to specify the gpu.

>>106489882
Yes, use drm_info
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/emersion/drm_info

>>106489882
I tried drm-info, but I only get:
drmModeGetResources: Operation not supported
Failed to retrieve information from dev/dri/...

>>106489901
It doesn't seem to work for me. Does it matter if I installed it by apt install on debian?

>>106489906
Did you run it as root?
You need permission to query the GPU / render mode.

>>106489918
I did, yeah. I'm using the proprietary nvidia drivers, version 550, does that matter?

After plymouth boot screen finishes, I get no output. Not even a black screen: my monitor goes to sleep.
Switching to a tty, if I try to run xinit, I get a message that an x server is already running. And if I check the logs, the only thing there is that message that just appeared.
If I try startx, I get no output again and my monitor goes back to sleep.

Motherfucker, I'm an idiot. It's the other way around. During boot, it's using the wrong gpu (bus id 61) and after boot, login and session, it's using the correct gpu (bus id 6d).

So the only problem I have now is the lack of taskbar, and no ttys.

I guess this means I need to specify 6d again somewhere. Is it in the grub boot loader that I need to do it? How would I do that?

>>106490262
I think there's a stub driver for this purpose. You bind the GPUs you don't want to use to it and then manually unbind them later and bind them to the NVIDIA driver.

>>106490300
I'm not sure that means exactly. Am I right in understanding that linux can't select which gpu to use an must have some other program to hog those gpus in order to linux to use a user-specified gpu? That seems pretty jank.

>>106490314
It just uses the first GPU it sees

>>106490324
Do you have a link to the stub driver and instructions on how to do it?

>>106490345
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PCI_passthrough_via_OVMF#Binding_vfio-pci_via_device_ID

Something like that. The idea is to isolate any of the GPUs you don't need so graphics goes on the correct GPU.

Then you can just bind them later to the nvidia driver when you want to use them headlessly or whatever.

Is there any way to get automatic translations for VNs like what we had back in 2010s?
We used some program to capture and extract text from the running process and use some local translator to get a window with the translation.

Is there anything like that in current year for linux? I know most VNs run on wine/bottles/lutris

>>106490388
Oh geez, this looks like it's going to be a project.

>>106481242 (OP)
>food wallpaper
Fat fuck.

After reinstalling Arch (with kde) the font rendering looks off in certain programs, firefox being one of them. I think it may have been because I didn't select the default fonts when prompted when installing the "plasma" group package. Is there a way to view that same prompt after the fact? Attempting to reinstall that same package group doesn't seem to do it.

>>106490595
What can I say? I love beef.

>>106490481
There is multiple of these apps for android, but I'm not sure about Linux.

>>106486212
I've had issues with fedora's native packages and video decoding even with rpmfusion set up. If your hardware is at least 2 years old then it shouldnt struggle on mint.

>>106487293
I recall that firefox only has support for pulseaudio and not ALSA

https://lists.openwall.net/netdev/2025/08/27/64
https://lists.openwall.net/netdev/2025/08/23/33
First patch that fixes the issue mentioned in the second patch landed in the latest kernel releases from the 4th. If you had packet loss or other stability issues, try updating.

>>106489264
That bar is supposed to disappear when you're not seeking through the video

>>106489264
osd-bar=no

>>106490787
Works here. Maybe the distro patched it back.

>>106489342
Are you the nvidia anon? you can force sddm to use the nvidia card with an xorg.conf.d snippet (assuming sddm still uses xorg since i think the wayland version is still in beta)
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#Minimal_configuration
Not sure if itll persist through to plasma wayland though.
>>106489635
I wouldnt recommend using nvidia-xconfig and just making an xorg.conf.d snippet instead

>>106490853
Yeah, and I've got the desktop working nice and fine now. Taskbar was on a disabled screen, and I could switch the desktops to move the taskbar back to my active screen. The only problems now are the extra ttys, since I've been told linux just uses the first gpu, and I'll need to mess around with binding and unbinding, and fan curves. The nvidia app's pretty limiting - it lets me set fan rpm, and not much else.

If i want to switch DE is it better to reinstall everything or just uninstall the DE and then manually install a new one?

>>106491126
just install the new one and remove the old one. only potential issues you might have is if the old one has set configurations in your home folder which are shared between both DE's, which could affect the new one. but you can delete those from your home folder if you want to 'reset' them

>>106491185
noice desu. will do

>>106491197
np. also you can have more than one DE installed at a time. most display managers (i.e. your graphical login screen) have an option to choose which DE to use when logging in

Does Gentoo have binaries for LLVM and GCC?

>>106491810
yes

page 10

>>106493497
We were almost free...

Do browsers use your GPU or CPU when playing youtube videos by default?

>>106493746
if your gpu can decode the video codec and your browser is aware of that, it will offload that to the GPU

>>106481242 (OP)
so how Is CachyOS?

I am moving from Fedora, consider im not a beginner but also not a pro capable of using gentoo/void linux etc

>>106494354
It's unstable arch with pre-baked gaming setup.

>>106494354
bad

>>106481298
Just install almalinux

I'm bored and want to try stuff on another machine I have
What's the current FOTM distro?

>>106494464
>>106494480
>bad
well that sucks, should I install Endeavour then? I rather not install Arch again, even with the arch script

>>106494627
>Endeavour then
No.
Either go arch or manjaro.
There was arcolinux but it's dead now

>>106494646
>manjaro.
???
https://manjarno.pages.dev/

>>106494646
>manjaro
Anon, please

>>106494646
whats wrong with Endeavour, its basically calamares arch

>>106484164

not using but tested and have media
is good

>>106494656
kek.
The story is this was some salty HSTS dev that was kicked out from the team.
look up his x.
The others are just parroting because /g/ is bot posting 99% of the time.
>>106494666
>whats wrong with Endeavour, its basically calamares arch
Not really, they've change some stuff that break in different way than arch.
Dracut for e.g.

shill me Artix Linux, mainly play games and browse the chans

>>106494784
Hacked up Arch without systemdicks. Trades its bugs for a whole slew a new ones.

>>106494828
>Hacked up Arch without systemdicks. Trades its bugs for a whole slew a new ones.
so a based distro?

>>106494847
Yes, but anything that requires systemd will need patching or unfucking in some way.

>>106494354
Use PikaOS instead. Or Bazzite.

protip: just try the damn operating systems and decide for yourself

>>106494354
the only issues ive had was that it didnt detect the sensors on my mobo at first(had to get a driver from github)
and that my usb3 hub wasnt detected(resolved after upgrade)
ran fine apart from those 2
im swapping back to windows tho cause i cant play EAC games and vr seems pretty wonky

>>106494954
>>106494912
>>106494868
I amthinking of using Artix actually, any problem I would encounter as a "gamer" by not having systemd?
to add, is openrc the recommended one? or is it runit?

My mom asked me to install Linux on her devices when I visit this weekend. Windows 11 is being extra "Windows" these days.
She's had Kubuntu on a device before, but was so worried about doing something wrong that she just never did anything on it. some things she did try was setting a new theme, then not reading the "do you want to copy the layout" message, and not knowing how to undo it. Then we took too long away from it in between updates, and we had to reinstall all over again.
I'm just wondering if anyone's done anything similar who can share some tips for me or her on how to do things.
I've told her just how much the OS lets you get away with, and how easily it is to mess things up, but I don't want her to feel discouraged. I'm thinking of using Kubuntu again so it's not likely she needs to use a terminal. Maybe ask Grok for help so she doesn't get the typical one-liner to fix everything that works on all DEs.
I get why that's the standard answer, but it's not doing us any favors in getting others involved.

>>106495039
just setup ssh so u can hop into the system and fix it if she messes something up.
distro i'd just pick ubuntu cause every linux tutorial is written with that in mind.

>>106495039
Install Aurora instead of Kubuntu. It's a lot more ready to use and a lot more difficult to fuck up.

speaking of Aurora/Bazzite, god I hate GNOME devs. they're trying to impose this new piece of shit software store on to us.

i was a CachyOS shill but it's honestly incredibly unstable and i've been booting the default Linux kernel instead of the Cachy one for like a week now. it also comes with a bunch of shit, including shells like fish, zsh, and bash configured way differently from the default configuration, in ways that sometimes break commands as simple as ls (specifically the sort order) by making them aliases to bullshit commands or setting environment variables unexpectedly. i recommend Fedora to beginners and professionals, and Arch to developers and tinkerers. CachyOS is bullshit and i only use it because of phonorix benchmarks and being too lazy to install something that akshually just werks™

Sent from my CachyOS

>>106495303
lmao yeah i use eza and all those onions utilities and it definitely breaks a lot of scripts

>>106482366
Try this theme: https://store.kde.org/p/2138468/

>>106494784
Arch without systemd and sometimes you'll have to manually fix missing service files such as keyd
>>106495035
> any problem I would encounter as a "gamer" by not having systemd?
Not really unless some aur package you use has a systemd service file or is dependant on systemd for whatever reason
>is openrc the recommended one? or is it runit?
Openrc used to be the main one. I dont think it really matters which one you use as long as you know how to use the init system. Wouldnt recommend s6 though. I've used openrc and runit in the past they both have advantage and disadvantages

>>106495039
Usually mint is the best distro to recommend to those people.

>>106495386
In 2017? Sure. But Mint is so intentionally outdated that it's become less user friendly than the average distro. Linux has evolved so much since 2017 that most popular distros are already "Linux for noobs".

>>106481242 (OP)
Possible to have a SSH command run on startup even if there has to be an automated password?

>>106495039
Kubuntu is ass. I don't know who modern Ubuntu is meant to be for aside from people following 2008 brand recognition. If you want something that just works that she can't fuck up, get Universal Blue Aurora.

>>106495510
you can put the password directly into the ssh command parameter

>>106495039
Any immutable distro will do
Vanilla OS even has sudo removed and is just a base image + flatpaks + sandbox terminal
Impossible to fuck that up

>>106495176
Bazaar is much better than Discover. And honestly it's much better than GNOME Software too.

>>106495375
>Openrc used to be the main one. I dont think it really matters which one you use as long as you know how to use the init system. Wouldnt recommend s6 though. I've used openrc and runit in the past they both have advantage and disadvantages
What about dinit?

Read about it a lil bit and people say its the best, fastest, simplest

>>106495669
Linux newfag here. What is an immutable distro vs a mutable one exactly. Like im on fedora desktop and i know theres an immutable version or something but i have no idea what it is.

>>106497186
>Linux newfag here. What is an immutable distro vs a mutable one exactly. Like im on fedora desktop and i know theres an immutable version or something but i have no idea what it is.
imagine you have a car, and immutable distro locks down all of the components of the car so the only thing you can do is drive it, but in a mutable one you can change stuff and maintain it yourself

>>106497216
Exactly. Casual user vs power user

I'll be honest I still don't know if I want to put Linux Mint on my main gaming PC, another distro, or just stick with Windows 10 atm
Like Mint is the only distro i've ever used and I like it, but I've only used it on low-end hardware not meant for gaming

Any distros use mate as their default DE aside from ubuntu mate? I just want a nice preconfigured mate and was looking at what choices I have. I know mint mate exists but not sure what mint would offer over ubuntu mate. Sadly LMDE doesn't have a mate version.

All I could find on distrowatch were very specific distros like parrotOS (pen testing distro) or securonis (some security/privacy focused distro).

>>106497216
technically most immutable distros aren't completely immutable, silverblue is no exception.

check this: https://secureblue.dev/faq#immutable
>“Immutable” is an old misnomer for atomic systems. It gives the impression that users can’t modify or tinker with their system, which is not the case. While directories like /usr are mounted read-only by default, settings and configurations can be easily overriden with changes in /etc, which is not mounted read-only.

>>106497186
It's something you don't have or shouldn't have to care about. Just that immutable isn't mainstream so it's for shitty nerds only.

>>106495375
why wouldn't you recommend s6, what's wrong with it?
>>106495035
for gaming I unironically recommend sticking with systemd

>>106497402
PikaOS is my preferred distro. Debian-Sid “gaming” although it’s also a great daily driver too. That or Bazzite. Cachy is a hype meme.

whos going to drop the x11 session sooner, gnome or kde?

>>106497624
I don't think they'll be truly dropped, like how KDE has done it with the X11 session now being a separate package that you install yourself.

>>106497632
do they still maintain the x11 sessions?
i still have issues with wayland
i swear the performance on games is worse

>>106497489
>for gaming I unironically recommend sticking with systemd
why

Mint literally has a MATE edition that's preconfigured and everything:
https://linuxmint.com/download.php

>>106497409
Mint is basically uncucked Ubuntu with the Snap shit taken out among other things. I suggest giving it a try

>>106497703
some stuff that steam and lutris uses come preconfigured out of the box to work with systemd, like esync, it took less than a minute to get it working with sysVinit. But I assume other rendering related stuff will be similar.

debian actively holds open source back and should be abandoned, the amount of effort in maintaining 10 year old packages working and backporting crap could be used in actually making anything else better

>>106497981
don't forget red hat, suse and ubuntu
all have 10 years support. 5 years of features generally, so those back ports are probably the worst offenders. the 5 nore years security updates are probably not that much work

>>106497920
>some stuff that steam and lutris uses come preconfigured out of the box to work with systemd, like esync, it took less than a minute to get it working with sysVinit. But I assume other rendering related stuff will be similar.
I think thats outdated info

>>106497981
>>106498012
You niggers realize the 10 years featureless operating system is meant to target industry grade servers, right? No bank out, for example, there is gonna use anything else. Faulting redhat for actually providing a needed service is retarded. Having package version bumps in critical systems is absolutely retarded. But I wouldn't expect tinker trannies who sees linux as their identity to know better.

>>106498121
if they're gonna have a massive expense every 10 years don't you think they could have a slightly less massive expense every few years if they stayed current? I can't imagine what kind of arcane knowledge a guy has to have to bring rhel 7 into the future.
I wouldn't be surprised if the client just doesn't update anymore

>>106497186
Immutable refers to most system files and directories not being writable, or not being persistently writable. This means you have less chance of fucking things up, among many other benefits.
Fedora's "immutable" version isn't actually immutable, which is why it's good. It's stable and reliable by default (compared to regular distros) while being open to customization for power users. It's basically an immutable distro that can be used just like a mutable one.

>>106497402
Install Bazzite.

>>106497402
install cachy

>>106481669
what distro/desktop is best for aero?

Anyone else having trouble downloading updates from the Software center? It keeps giving me internet connection issues.

>>106498613
Try and do the update from the command line and see what's failing.

>>106498656
>Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-firmware/linux-firmware_20240318.git3b128b60-0ubuntu2.17_amd64.deb 500 Internal Server Error

Maybe their server is shitting the bed? I obviously have internet.

>>106498664
Sounds about right:
$ wget http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-firmware/linux-firmware_20240318.git3b128b60-0ubuntu2.17_amd64.deb
--2025-09-06 04:33:25-- http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-firmware/linux-firmware_20240318.git3b128b60-0ubuntu2.17_amd64.deb
Resolving security.ubuntu.com... 2620:2d:4000:1::101, 2620:2d:4002:1::103, 2620:2d:4000:1::19, ...
Connecting to security.ubuntu.com|2620:2d:4000:1::101|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 500 Internal Server Error
2025-09-06 04:33:28 ERROR 500: Internal Server Error.


It's not your issue.

>>106498677
I figured, thanks for the help.

>>106498699
They're probably being DDOS'd again. I blame Russia, they're mad at the UK again (Canonical Ltd is a UK company) because we gave more seized funds to Ukraine.

>>106498664
>firmware blobs
>security
What do blobs have to do with software security?
You can place blobs manually under /lib/firmware btw, case you want to bypass your distro on that part for whatever reasons.

>>106498664
>Maybe their server is shitting the bed? I obviously have internet.
what makes him so confident?

>no scrollback while installing arch linux because removed in kernel 5.9 because... because linus is lazy?
>no try switching when using gnome wayland because... because wayland?

>>106498861
You don't get TTY switching in most Wayland compositors because the compositor grabs full control over the keyboard.

Use the Sysrq unraw key to allow the kernel to resume control over the keyboard again, or you can open a terminal and do something like sudo chvt 2 to switch to /dev/tty2.

As for scrollback in the Linux Console, that's unfortunate but it was removed by Linus himself for security concerns. The code was a mess and wasn't maintained very well.

You can use Kmscon or fbterm, etc:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KMSCON

>>106483668
Full customization of software packages via use flags so I can say fuck systemd globally, and compilation optimization (I don't have a potato PC and I don't mind waiting to compile things).

>>106498913
This..
>>106483668
..plus using it as a development platform when you have older PCs for example. Idea being you compile a tailored system using a fast PC and then transfer your creation over to the older one.
Distro selection for let's say 32bit devices is super shitty.

>>106498855
>He doesn't understand error codes
> Proclaims his ignorance
>Thinks of fecal matter
Typical american techlet

How long does an Ubuntu install take? its been 40 something minutes

>>106497306
Immutable systems are great for dev work and containers, because you can just roll back. So yes, immutable is for power users indeed.

>>106499014
Power users like to be able to write to their root filesystem and install software without reboots though.

You can absolutely make an immutable distro work as a power user and many people make custom images, etc, that do what they want with everything baked in, but at the same time a mutable distribution is just better for some people.

I decided to look past the weird name and installed CachyOS. Every single second interacting with it even during installation was giving me jeet vibes right from the start. I don't believe the performance claims for a single second, this is a jeet distro that I will never use.

Went back to my trusted old arch+i3 config

Does anyone have recommendations on a good SSD around 2 TB or more?. I'm getting ready for Linux, and the plan for now is to install an SSD onto my computer and gradually wean myself off of Windows 10, and I have barely over 100 GB left on my main gaming PC.

>>106499222
Samsung, Crucial, WD, SK Hynix and Kingston are the big five when it comes to good SSDs.

>>106499127
You write into the system of the designated container for CLI software or install it with homebrew, thus ensuring no modifications of the immutable, containerized base system. GUI apps are handled by flatpaks.

Or are we talking about the "I want to tinker tranny" kinda user that spazzes out when not running a tiling wm with under 200MB footprint and only suckless software?

>>106499222

looks model names maybe skip ones with j v t

>>106499249
I'm talking about the many modifications a power user might want to make to their base system for any number of reasons. Not all software can run in a container. Ironically, most tinker tranny software probably can.

Some software requires running unconfined and needs the ability to modify or write to the base system.

Sometimes you need things like custom kernel modules (tinker trannies don't do this, but it's very popular in the enterprise space) and these don't necessarily always have an easy deployment avenue on an immutable system.

You can absolutely make a custom immutable system that works for you but sometimes it's just easier to go with a mutable system instead.

I like Opensuse Tumbleweed

>>106498971
Depends on how fast your USB hub is and how fast your hardware is. If you're using a USB 2.0 interface or a USB 2.0 drive, then it can definitely take 30-60 minutes.

>>106499222
Samsung ones are the best, but all SSD manufacturers started cutting corners in the past 4 years.

>>106499277
>Not all software can run in a container.
Fedora's Atomic distros allow you to install software with rpm-ostree. And I'm yet to find software which can't be run inside a distrobox container.

>>106499443
>And I'm yet to find software which can't be run inside a distrobox container.
System software. Anything which needs to work with hardware devices or kernel modules or monitoring software like firewalls or security software, etc.

Yes, you can overlay packages but that still won't help if the software needs to write to the root filesystem. You seem convinced that only tinker trannies need to modify their root filesystem when in reality there is all sorts of business and enterprise software that can't easily be ran in a container.

There's a reason Red Hat and SUSE, etc, haven't abandoned their mutable distros yet. They are still useful in some scenarios where an immutable distro is more complex and requires more work to use.

>>106499469
Just deploy a custom oci image, which any competent sysadmin should be able to.
/Argument

>>106499485
That's more work for some people, you need a build-system infrastructure for that which not everyone wants to do. I already acknowledged it's possible to make a custom immutable system. It's not what some power users want though, they prefer to have a mutable base-system and make whatever changes they need on top.

Also, even if you do make a custom image that's still not going to help you if your software needs to write to the root file system.

>>106499508
Skill issue.

>>106499469
>You seem convinced that only tinker trannies need to modify their root filesystem
That's pretty much the fact, yes.

>>106499548
Business and enterprise software will never meet that definition no matter how much you cope.
>>106499528
Some companies rely on software that's not written by them, so they can't just adapt it to work in an immutable system.

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>>106499579
>Business and enterprise software will never meet that definition
Nigger, nobody cares about this shit. Personal desktop operating systems are not the equivalent to some shitty business system.

>>106499630
They are power users though. Often they aren't just installing the stock base-system and using it as-is. Yes, if that's all you want to do then an immutable system is perfect for you, hence why things like Bazzite are often recommended to beginners nowadays.

>>106499605
It's good etiquette to wait till page 8 before baking.

>>106495480
Mint is still fine, you seem have some kind of schizo agenda against mint when you keep pushing this 2017 meme

>>106497065
I havent used dinit yet but ill probably try it out the next time i switch to artix.
>>106497489
>why wouldn't you recommend s6, what's wrong with it?
something about it felt really confusing to use
>>106497624
gnome

>>106500122
>something about it felt really confusing to use
Probably because it tries to be like Systemd but more lightweight. You get things like logging and s6-dns, etc.

>>106490793
Confirmed fixed. Insane it took so long since it should have affected most users.

>>106500451
Broadcast traffic is a bit niche, can't say I noticed any issues on my systems but I keep my kernel relatively up-to-date. What version regressed this and when was it fixed upstream in mainline?

>>106481298
sovl

>>106500475
Regressed in 6.16.2/6.12.43 and fixed in 6.16.5/6.12.45