Thread 106481471

Have you noticed, that "Privacy corporations" like duckduckgo and proton are increasingly creating their own ecosystems, where the user has to put their entire trust into a single, interconnected service? From the corporations perspective this makes sense, but from a privacy perspective this is totally stupid.

>>106481471 (OP)
Yup that's a sign we are finally getting a better bang for the buck.

>>106481471 (OP)
So long as using one part of the service doesn't lock you into the entire ecosystem, what's the issue?

>>106481471 (OP)
Yes I've noticed. See you next month.

>>106481471 (OP)
I feel like these "privacy orporations" are extremely shady. I trust a schizo /g/ post a lot more readily than a professional modern website with tons of marketing

>>106481660
>I trust a schizo /g/ post a lot more readily
Your priorities are wack. Enjoy your backdoors.

>>106481471 (OP)
People who trust big tech are the scum of the earth.

>>106481689
what 'backdoors" retard

>>106481486
I just think it is very suspicious, that these "privacy corpos" are going this route of creating their own centralized ecosystems. Decentralization and no user accounts are the fundamental rules of privacy. But they are breaking these rules, simply because it is profitable. Very sus and dangerous in my view.

>>106481829
They offer a compromise. Would I trust Proton if I was leaking state secrets? No. But do I trust them to respect my data more than Google? Yes. It's not perfect privacy, but it's good enough for me.

>>106481471 (OP)
Yes that's because they're 'corporations'

>>106481471 (OP)
Proton also has a new AI assistant.

https://lumo.proton.me/

>>106481925
>But do I trust them to respect my data more than Google? Yes.

But why? You have replaced one shady corporation with another. I don't say you shouldn't use Proton, duckduckgo or even Google products. Since we can't know what they are actually doing with our data, we must assume they are all equally bad. If one absolutely needs to use some of their services, you should diversify your suppliers as much as possible.

>>106481471 (OP)
Works for Apple

I thought proton was the most secure vpn in regards to privacy?

>>106482594
According to MSM and ChatGPT this is correct.

>>106481471 (OP)
>Have you noticed that corporations that want to make money are offering more products
COLOR
ME
SURPRISED

>>106481471 (OP)
>has to
how so? i use duck for search and proton for email, nothing else

>>106482671
Don't flatter yourself, you almost sounded like a real human.

>>106482683
Yes, but aren't you surprised, that they are destroying their own reputation in the process?

>>106482215
Lumo is kind of funny since they run on models you can run on your gaming GPU at home. The only difference is the "lumo plus" ones are FP16 where as home gamers would need to run at like Q3/Q4/Q5 depending on your GPU vram

>>106482716
And their servers are hosted in the same country, which hosts suspiciously a lot of tor nodes.

>>106482705
Reputation is worth nothing in the internet era

>>106482705
>that they are destroying their own reputation in the process?
Lmao no they aren't. You are so delusional. They are diversifying their company offerings which is what any reasonable company would do while continuing to maintain their "privacy" focused as the sales pitch over using other companies that offer the same suite of tools.

Everything Proton offers is exactly what you would expect from a security/privacy focused company.
- Secure email [check]
- Calendar (Worthless addon, but likely costs them pennies so why not)
- Secure storage [check]
- Secure VPN [check]
- Secure credential management [check]
- Secure LLM access [check] (Plenty of companies offer this but only at enterprise level plans btw)
I don't pay attention to duckduckgo but it's likely the same idea.

>>106482742
Yeah that's kind of the fucking point retard. Up until now Switzerland has had some of the most lax laws regarding privacy. Now they are pivoting to EU though since Switzerland is going full retard on their laws compared to EU.
>muh tor nodes
Shut the fuck up retard. Literally every major government operates tor nodes.

>>106481471 (OP)
privacy industrial complex, trust us with all your info goy, oopsie we were bought by israeli firn that changed the conditions, nothi^Weverything personal kid

>>106482783
>Now they are pivoting to EU though since Switzerland is going full retard on their laws compared to EU
QRD?
Was looking into getting proton

>>106482783
Hello fellow Proton shill

>>106481471 (OP)
Don't care. The only Proton service I use is Protonmail.

>>106481471 (OP)
Thinking vpns are for privacy is stupid. They're more for circumventing censorship than for privacy.

On the subject of vpns, what the fuck is a 14 eyes country

proton pisses me off
basic email features, like sieve-based forwarding, have been sitting with open tickets for years
but they can turn around and shit out garbage like their AI or VPN

>>106482822
Swiss direct democracy decided to vote away their own privacy laws in the name of "stopping the criminals" like they did with their banking laws 2 decades ago

>>106483617
they didn't get a vote

>>106481471 (OP)
Yes and all the new offerings are shittier than existing options. I hate proton ngl, refuse to use any of their products

>>106481471 (OP)
Bro, no corporation exists out of charity, every "product" is made for a profit. Whether you pay for it directly or indirectly is the question.
Privacy is simple, dude. Just remember that there is NO privacy over the internet. The sole principle of the internet is to SHARE information. There's no private cloud, private mail, private (((services))) over the internet. Everything shares your information and they can trace you one way or another. No matter what "workarounds" you use, VPNs, encryption, yadda yadda.
The only way to be really private is to never upload any private info over the internet and to never upload any sensitive file you absolutely never want anyone else to see.
That's literally it.

>>106482542
the point is that these are still better than FAGMAN company, not just in privacy but are also generally less of a pain in the ass (because they depend on that), so they make a decent alternative for normalfag activities (online shops, job hunting, gov accounts, ...). But just like for everything don't use them for everything and isolate your different non-normie activities from them.

>>106481471 (OP)
>Visit ProtonVPN website
>view plans
>select payment options
>"Credit/debit card or PayPal?"
>No XMR

online digital ecosystems are the worst.

100% scam.

only libtard consoomers like this slop.

>2025.
>trusting a corporation.
lol, lmao even.

>>106483341
a 14 eyes country is a country totally under jewish control.