Thread 106485914

Ever since RTX launched they've been dead
Gets worse every year
Gamers want ray tracing?

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>>106485914 (OP)
>Gamers want ray tracing?
i think gamers are not the whole equation anymore, people underestimate the amount of hobbyists that want to use LLMs locally or generate anime 1girl pictures, and not having CUDA makes everything a fucking pain in the ass
the hardware was never AMD's downfall, it was the software

>>106485914 (OP)
Gamers just want a GPU with functioning drivers.
Now that Nvidia has total graphics cards dominance, they'll ignore gamers to please enterprise customers.

>>106485914 (OP)
>Discrete Desktop GPU market shares
>2015
>Intel: 0.1%
?

>>106485914 (OP)
I think AMD made a mistake ignoring the high-end this generation.

nvidia still dominates OEM/SI markets. very few people build and upgrade their own PCs.

>>106485914 (OP)
AMD still thrives in the gaming console space. Every PS5 and Xbox Series X/S sale is also a Radeon sale.

>>106486556
AMD is paid upfront, not by the sale.
Also NVIDIA dominates console market as well thanks to Switch and Switch 2 which are far far far more popular than PS4,PS5, and any Xbox

>>106485914 (OP)
They literally price same perfomance Nvidia tier GPUS at nvidia price. Why would anyone in right mind buy an AMD if they are at same price as Nvidia?

>>106485914 (OP)
Just good enough upscaling technology.
Just good enough Frame Generation technology.
Bad Ray Tracing technology.

wait for udna
rdna was an abortion and amd realised this after 6900xt flopped against a 3090 due to features

>>106486227
Probably those weird Broadwell Xeons with extra beefy iGPUs being misreported. That's my guess, because the timing lines up?

>>106486525
No coincidence that nvidia started dominating around covid when a lot of people bought more powerful computers, and probably stuck with or recommended nvidia because that was what they knew.

>>106485914 (OP)
Developers came out recently and said that basically most of the peope playing their games use DLSS, ray tracing and frame generation

>>106485914 (OP)
Have you seen Cyberpunk using DLSS4 on the switch 2? then compare that to the snoy using FSR and you should have your answer

>>106486759
When digital foundry said this they got accused of being shills
but I'm still skeptical on how many are using frame generation, unless lots of people are using that lossless scaling garbage

>>106486792
It obviously depends on the game but smooth motion for me is much better than most of the devs frame gen implementation and my latency does not go to shit because it runs on the tensor cores, yes there are artifacts and shimmering there but i gurantee you the average retard playing on the couch with a controller will not notice them

>>106486773
For some reason CP77 is still stuck on FSR2 despite updating the engine for DLSS4

>>106486556
Consoles are a dying industry unless they are bing wahoo tablets.

>>106486586
>Switch and Switch 2 are far far far more popular than PS4,PS5, and any Xbox
that's just not true

>>106486855
PS5 is still way too expensive and they keep raising its price

>>106486792
I'd say more people are using it now because it's essentially baked into game settings in the past couple of years.
Average High settings now is - DLSS Quality, Ray Medium, low settings is DLSS Performance, low RT, etc. etc. as examples.

The situation has turned around so that you essentially have to manually turn upscaling off if you don't want it.

>>106486872
blame trump, not snoy

>>106486227
intel made a graphics chip back in the late 90s, its possible that there were some spare parts sales for legacy systems.

>>106485914 (OP)
CUDA ate their lunch

>>106486759
It's unsurprising that people are using it when you have to go out of your way to disable any upscaling or fake frame tech, and in some games you can't even turn RT off entirely.
I just don't engage with current games any more, it's all gone to shit.

>>106486670
UDNA is coming basically as salvation for AMD, unifying everything under a single software suite umbrella, but it's a bit hard to believe given AMDs track record with software. It's suffering to support this cursed company, holy fuck

>>106487549
UDNA does not exist
the software lift is "easy" because it's all still GCN for the compiler

>>106487460
The only part that is actually good is DLAA and it is never enabled by default in any game. Weird how that works. If I was a conspiracy theorist I would have some ideas to explain this

>>106486670
>wait for
lol
"UDNA" is just CDNA merging changes from RDNA by the way
it is gfx12 but with two CU bundled together and a new cache structure
CDNA will continue to have HPC and matmul variants.
then retarded gamers will be surprised that somehow AMD made their gaymer chips good at upscaling when all they did was add a 2 big matmul blocks per shader array instead of one

>>106486670
they knew it from the beginning, the rx 5700 xt is a regression, they sacrificed peak performance for ease of use, vega II is more performant than rdna 1 in basically every task when optimization is performed, the only thing that they really resolved with rdna was the bandwidth efficiency, but they ended up using a huge l3 cache anyway making the cu and cache changes redundant imo.

>>106488270
Are you trying to say that AMD rigged the game against themselves on purpose? Was the Raja hate justified?

Sorry Jensen, I have a 9070XT I got launch day at MSRP, it's been great and I still wont be buying nVidia.

>>106488289
they made a mistake, raja is probably the cause, nvidia invested heavily in compute/ai which extends to to their consumer products, vega and earlier gcn products follow the same path. rdna's design focuses on traditional gpu rendering, less on peak compute, the thinking was that they would do better with specialized architectures for both markets (cdna for compute/ai , rdna for consumer graphics) , but in practice they basically kneecapped themselves on the consumer side
nvidia used their compute for technologies like dlss, framegen and denoising for rt, all of which require more compute than rdna 1 and 2 can offer, rdna 3 brings some of the capability back and rdna 4 expands on it, but if you look back at vega II amd already had quad-rate int8 in a consumer graphic chip, which offers a big speed up for AI workloads, so essentially the reason amd has not been able to release an ai based upscaler and lagged behind with rt until now is likely because of the move to rdna. . IMO there is a good chance that udna will be based mostly on CDNA(gcn/gfx9) rather than rdna for this reason,

>>106488762
Which is funny because nvidia saw what AMD was doing with GCN and that caused them to pivot. They literally swapped places when it comes to compute / raster.
I still remember people calling me retarded for buying a GTX 980 Ti because it wouldn't be good for rendering videos and productivity. The same people are saying that nvidia is the only choice for workstations.

I fucking hate normies.

>>106485914 (OP)
Nvidia price minus $50 is just not a good enough sales strategy

Drifts apart in 2022, around the time the AI hype was at its max.
I'd presume the AMD:nVidiot ratio is around 3:1 on Loonix, we're probably a safe customer base for their discrete GPU solutions.

They need the graphic tech anyhow for APUs, so if with just a little more effort, they can also make desktop GPUs, they will, without needing or wanting to usurp the market leader.

They said they'd swing around to a more mainstream, less flagship, solution (i.e. more perf/price-ratio).
Does the 9000-series keep that promise?
I'm OOTL.

>>106485914 (OP)
- customers want to buy from the company making the best cards, even if they buy one from a lower tier
- AMD's software support is ASS. drivers, tools, gpgpu, everything.

>>106485914 (OP)
>Intel from 0% to 4% to 0% within the span of 2 years
that can't be right

>>106491369
>people hype arc
>intel refuses to support DX11 and prior
>people who bought arc were all poor and playing old games only
>it performs dogshit
>they buy AMD/NVIDIA

>>106486868
Switch 1 is on track to becoming the best-selling console of all time (if it's not already there)

>>106485914 (OP)
i only used amd cards because of hackintosh, now it's dead my next build gonna be nvidia

>>106491430
I refuse to believe that many people bought Arc

>>106491430
don't forget that arc required rebar so most poorfags with haswell-skylake couldn't use it properly

>>106485914 (OP)
GeForce 8000 Series was the beginning of the end the Radeon brand, HD 7000 series being a flop because AMD showed their hand too soon was the final nail in the coffin.

>>106485914 (OP)
They stopped being able to compete even before that, more precisely 1 gen before that when NVIDIA released Pascal (GTX 1000 series) and utterly wrecked AMD. Even Maxwell before that was a superior product compared to the rebrands AMD was peddling at the time.

And that's pretty much it. They stopped being able to compete while their market share started eroding. Once RTX launched they were constantly behind on features as well, not just performance. The thing is I don't even think they're trying to compete. If you look even farther back in the past, when their market share was looking much more healthy, AMD still didn't always have the fastest cards, but they were willing to offer exceptional value. They no longer offer that, now they sell cards that are still fucking expensive, just a minor price cut compared to NVIDIA but without the features and other useful shit NVIDIA cards have.

The 9070XT might suggest a tiny shift in AMD's stance, what with FSR4 finally being acceptable quality and with them mostly fixing RT performance, but it's certainly not enough yet.

>>106492178
I've been told by several people that the 9070XT is a better card than the 5070TI

>>106492227
Yeah, I think AMD has done an uncharacteristically good job with it. The crippling RT weakness has been mostly shored up and FSR4 actually looks good enough to be worth considering as an alternative to DLSS (not as good as DLSS4, but seems to match DLSS3 which was also pretty good). I think the value on the card still isn't that amazing, it's still just "slightly better than NVIDIA" but at least it's progress in the right direction.

>>106492227
You were told that paid AMD shills. One brand has an organic fanbase, reflected by real world marketshare, the other has paid shills who've never used the video card they recommend. It's seriously that simple. Every stat, whether it's market research firms or valve's hardware survey or what's stocked in-stores, shows that nvidia overwhelmingly outsells AMD, yet there are hordes online pushing AMD cards. Funny.

>>106485914 (OP)
Video games are not the focus. Its AI, which Nvidia dominates despite how under performing and overpriced their 50 series is when it comes to gaming

>>106485914 (OP)
greedy margins.
If they priced this generation of gpus aggressively they would have taken a lot of market share back. Once in a lifetime chance really. But there is a woman in charge so no vision just management. Sad to see.

I think the other guy nailed it. Nvidia is still feeding off of the legendary 10 series, that 1 series built such a stronghold on the industry even after the years and years of locked features, higher prices and lower tiers getting killed on silicon/cuda count/vram the mental lock they have on the market is too impregnable. 10 series just killed AMD, who didn't own a card in the 10 series, at any tier and love it. Ironically it's also the time nvidia saw they can really start getting away with bullshit like the 1060 3GB.

>>106486670
It won't magically produce CUDA out of thin air. ROCm is still not a full replacement because much of the software will just refuse to run if the legitimate CUDA is not present.

>>106485914 (OP)
>Gamers want ray tracing?
gamers don't give a shit about gay tracing. gamers want performance and cuda, two things that AMD cannot provide on the GPU market. and on top of that, they're selling their GPUs at prices that could only work if they were in a dominant position, considering their GPUs are not only more expensive than Nvidia's, but also worse in every aspect. AMD can only compete (and does it very well) in the CPU and gaming consoles markets nowadays

>>106485914 (OP)
Nvidia invented the GPU nigga what do you expect?

>>106493754
NVIDIA would be nowhere without poaching all of Silicon Graphics and S3 engineers and cross licensing with both along with 3DFX

>>106493051
>Ironically it's also the time nvidia saw they can really start getting away with bullshit like the 1060 3GB.
Did you forget about the GK104 GTX 6"""80"""? NVIDIA was always like this

>>106493966
>>NVIDIA would be nowhere without hiring good staff and paying them well and making them multimillionaires
those monsters

>>106486908
Lies.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2025/08/todays-game-consoles-are-historically-overpriced/

>>106485914 (OP)
>Gamers want ray tracing?
Gamers want DLSS because it's sadly the only option for triple-digit framerates in most brand new titles unless you have a 5090. FSR can't compare.

>>106492259
>sales = superiority
How much stock do you own?

>>106492259
Calm down there, Loserbenchmark. I have a 9070XT and it beats the 5080 in the new battlefield at my resolution. It’s the perfect GPU for us AM4 poorfags who need to reduce driver overhead from the GPU as much as possible to maximize our builds. It’s something like a 20-30% difference in CPU usage, why RDNA4 gets better lows. I’d still probably have bought the 5070ti if it was anywhere close to MSRP, but a $600 OC’d 9070XT was way too good a deal to pass up.

>>106493972
Nvidia sucked until Kepler/Maxwell so no one noticed.

>>106486853
Because putting in the work to update FSR isn't worth it, since there's so few AMD users with cards powerful enough to actually run Cyberpunk out there lmao

>>106494159
>fsr can't compare
fsr 4 exists, and it definitely can compare to dlss.

>>106494545
Well good on AMD for making it RDNA4 exclusive meanwhile DLSS4 works on all RTX cards

>>106492178
>RTX
>features

The rest of this shitty thread at least acknowledges the lackluster performance and driver issues without astroturfing.

>>106486670
one more rebrand bro
just one more refresh
fine wine bro

>>106486670
Because GCN was so great

>>106495545
it was/ is, amd's crap software is what held it back , which is why #finewine was even a thing. I still have to wonder what in gods green earth persuaded amd to abandon it, when they had finally acquired largely stable hardware and software, only to throw it down the toilet with rdna.

>>106494616
The new transformer model is only really good on 40 series and up.
By that same token, FSR4 builds that work on older cards leaked this week, and the performance hit of FSR4 on those old cards is similar to how heavy the DLSS 4 transformer model is on the 30 and 20 series

>>106495661
Yeah, GCN was so great that NVidia could pawn off a 60-class chip as their 80-class card because the 7970 sucked so much.
It was so good that AMD had to overclock the living shit out of the 290X to just barely beat the Titan, only to get their shit pushed in by the 780Ti.
It was so good that not even wacky new tech like HBM could save Fury, and later Vega.
Hell, it was so good that VII got absolutely bitchslapped by the 5700XT for half the money not even a year later.

>>106495908
> poor reading comprehension
you can compare benchmarks on launch day to EOL, and the difference is huge, the 7970 is faster than the 680 by a huge margin with the later drivers, again the hardware is fine, its the software that is crap. rdna hardware is far more buggy than gcn, anybody that actually owned a 5700xt knows how unstable those cards are.

>>106485914 (OP)
this

>>106485914 (OP)
Nvidia had the foresight to invest heavily into AI while it was a meme, and AMD thought they could take advantage focusing on old tech.

>>106485914 (OP)
Superior RT performance and DLSS.
DLSS 2 basically gave a performance boost which greatly outweighed the cons. But FSR didn't become practically usable until this summer.

>>106487781
Explain this to a retard. I like llm and thought udna would make amd just like nvidia. Udna isn't good? It's just shitty rocm?

>>106486759
Who cares about gaming. So fucking gay. Do shit with your gpu. I dislike gaming fags so much. Its boring slop. Gamers are boring as shit. Fucking do something. Hang out with other gamers in real life. Gen funny slop sitting next to each other at the computer.

>>106497913
ROCm is the software side, supposed to be "AMD's CUDA", but no one writes for it because support is abysmal

>>106485914 (OP)
>hat went wrong for AMD?
they keep making worse cards and they decided to charge almost as much for them too

>>106497975
I understand that, that's why I thought udna would introduce another software side, or improve it tremendously.

like a year ago AMD said rocm will finally be on windows natively

September 2025...

>>106498053
Nah, UDNA is the hardware architecture, so it's just gonna be faster at certain operations but you're still relying on the same nonexistent software support that never improves because why would you bother trying to make something work for 1% of the population when CUDA is right there, is already everywhere, is fantastically documented, and just fucking works

>>106485914 (OP)
Lisa Tsu was always a shit CEO

>>106485936
You don't have to tell us you're leaving, little zoomzoom

>>106485914 (OP)
AMD charge too much. They think they're a luxury product. They're not.
AMD is the shitty knock off of NVidia. They need to sell at a quarter the price while offering %60-80 performance and good software support.
They might be able to claw back some marketshare doing this.

>>106498137
ROCM sucks.
They should have partnered with that company who was reverse engineering CUDA for AMD & Arc.
But they were afraid of novideo lawsuits so they'd rather be driven out of business.

>>106499050
>They need to sell at a quarter the price while offering %60-80 performance and good software support
That's literally what Intel has been doing but it hasn't worked. This industry just wants GeForce, no matter what.

>>106485914 (OP)

green novideo team strong
red scam team strong
blue vee team tiny

>>106485914 (OP)
Nvidia took over the overwhelming lead since Maxwell. The mindshare did the rest.
>>106485989
Wrong, the vast majority of gayming SKUs are use for media consumption. Content creation is a tiny, but very vocal minority was evident by "MAH VRAM" types. Professionals are opting for intended SKUs for this.
>>106486190
They have been working for years. I'm almost convince all of the "drivers" problems are just /v/tards overclocking their CPU/memory and the instability manifests in their graphical drivers. Just because your gayming CPU endures 1hour+ of PRIME95/Linpack doesn't mean it is "stable".

>>106486517
Negative, they are making the right call. The real reason is the entire discrete GPU market is in decline. Nvidia saw it years ago and have trying to branch out of it and very successfully as of late.
AMD and Intel aren't dumping billions in R&D to get only scraps for it.
/v/tards are just exaggerating their unwarranted self-importance.

>>106491285
None of these items have been true for a decade+
Nvidia just relies entire on mindshare for its stronghold on the gayming market. They copied Apple's playbook.

>>106499050
Discrete GPUs are luxury products you daft. You are just mad that crypto-mindness and ML non-sense cause two rounds of price discovery and it forever changed the price paradigm.
The only way back is demand destruction which is happening as we speak. Why do you think Nvidia and their parents has been quietly cutting prices on their Blackwell SKUs?

>>106500434
>Nvidia just relies entire on mindshare for its stronghold on the gayming market.
because ayymd aren't challenging them at all

>>106495908
Yeah, GCN was so great that NVidia could pawn off a 60-class chip as their 80-class card because the 7970 sucked so much.
Wrong, GK100 had a hardware fault and it was scrapped. Nvidia didn't want a repeat of GF100 on their hands. It was respun into the GK110 that took an extra year to deliver. GCN was "faster" and aged much more gracefully then all of the Kepler chips. What really killed 7970 was somewhat immature drivers and shoddy reference boards. I can recall how many people regret getting their Keplers, but it didn't matter much as switch over to better received Maxwell.

>>106500514
They did challenge them a number of times in the past and only thing they got from is bleeding revenue.
The real reason why Nvidiots are mad is because AMD isn't forcing Nvidia hand in doing hemorrhaging price wars. Nvidiots continued to get Nvidia SKUs even if it is technically inferior and worse value proportion. Now they are just reaping the bed that they made.

IAYC

>>106485914 (OP)
Maybe availability?
I wanted to buy an AMD card, but they're almost always more expensive or not in stock in my region

>>106499248
Nobody knows what Intel is doing and every other week there is a rumour they'll shitcan the entire department they give nobody any confidence to buy it

>>106500388
>I'm almost convince all of the "drivers" problems are just /v/tards overclocking their CPU/memory
generous of you to think it's not just 100% pure confirmation bias

>>106500388
Lmao the fucking drivers are stuttering on 1080p video… on fucking video codecs nigger shill. /v/ is saying the new drivers are trash because they are.
They also have major stutters and slowdowns in games too. Every game thrown at it, games that are so light they should never have a problem stutters when the camera shifts and it needs to load new content.
The drivers are fucking pathetic and worse than amd drivers were 4 years ago.
Fix your fucking drivers already NVIDIA
>>106500471
>GPUs are a luxury product
Get a load of this retard right here lmao

>>106486517
This. A key reason I went with an RTX 5090 was simply because I wanted more VRAM than 16 GB. I also have a 7900 XTX.

>>106486517
They ignored it last gen too
They had zero competition for the 4090

>>106492227
A 5070ti is really just a 5060 and that’s what amds top card competes with. Let that sink in

>>106500434
No amds software and housefire tier chips are shit

>>106488289
One reason amd refuses to compete on price is because of brother sister collusion and price fixing