Thread 106490639

What with the government trying to force age verification?

>>106490639 (OP)
Deanonymization. However platforms are also complying with it in a malicious manner so instead of filtering content they just demand IDs from everyone.

>>106490639 (OP)
toddlers BTFO

>>106490644
>However platforms are also complying with it in a malicious manner so instead of filtering content they just demand IDs from everyone.
What do you think eg Discord should do differently?
They just ask you for ID when you want to access R18 channels. Isn't that the point?

>>106490671
kek

Too many people are criticizing israel.
What is your next question?

>>106490701
>What do you think eg Discord should do differently?
Scan content, classify it in 'clearly safe', 'questionably 18+' and 'clearly 18+'. Have humans review all three to reinforce the algorithm, also have different instances of the algorithm test each other to show how deterministic it is
>They just ask you for ID when you want to access R18 channels. Isn't that the point?
That isn't enough to comply with the law. Companies can't just host content and then say 'Oh the users need to let us know it's 18+', that's absolutely retarded

>>106490719
Yeah that's not good for our democracy..

>>106490727
>Scan content, classify it in 'clearly safe', 'questionably 18+' and 'clearly 18+'. Have humans review all three to reinforce the algorithm, also have different instances of the algorithm test each other to show how deterministic it is
And everyone would whine about their privacy being breached because bunch of jeets now reads every message. No one would like this and it would waste a lot of money.
Totally invigilation is way more "malicious manner" than just letting admins filter the content themselves. They already have mechanism of separating safe from unsafe content. An admin makes separates R18 from all ages content on per channel basis.

>>106490965
>And everyone would whine about their privacy being breached because bunch of jeets now reads every message.
Ah yes I hate it when my public server with my publicly available messages violates my privacy because I willingly and publicly posted in there. Try using that argument on a e2ee messenger.
>No one would like this and it would waste a lot of money.
ID verification is hated and costs lots of money. It can't even be automated and work reliably, unlike content moderation.
>Totally invigilation is way more "malicious manner" than just letting admins filter the content themselves.
Clearly doesn't work, otherwise there'd be less cp sharing servers on dc. Btw roblox used a similar concept and take a look at how they're doing.
>They already have mechanism of separating safe from unsafe content. An admin makes separates R18 from all ages content on per channel basis.
See above

>>106490671
kek

>>106490639 (OP)
Dehumanization. They want the internet to be even more accountable than you going out and protesting. That's why digital crimes are being prosecuted more harshly than real crimes.

>>106490701
>What do you think eg Discord should do differently?
Maybe tell UK to pound sand instead of folding to a bunch of goose-stepping nazis?
>They just ask you for ID
I'm not buying pornography or alcohol, they don't need to ask this question.

>>106491008
>Ah yes I hate it when my public server with my publicly available messages violates my privacy because I willingly and publicly posted in there. Try using that argument on a e2ee messenger.
Thanks to bootlicks like you, there soon won't be any. Thanks UK, Thanks EU, thanks cuckolds like yourself.

>>106491053
Why go out protesting when there's coof 2. If they control both your real and online traffic they got you on complete lockdown.

>>106491063
>How dare you realize that messages in public servers on encrypted platforms are accessible to all?!

>>106490639 (OP)
they're trying to build a database of cunny

>>106490965
>And everyone would whine about their privacy being breached because bunch of jeets now reads every message.
Discord can see every message. They are not E2E encrypted.

Filter out the adults so they can gang stalk kids and rape them

>>106491008
>Ah yes I hate it when my public server with my publicly available messages violates my privacy because I willingly and publicly posted in there.
People who post on public servers probably do not care if someone else reads their messages.
People posting on private servers probably wouldn't like that.
Use your brain, this is not a difficult situation to imagine.
>Try using that argument on a e2ee messenger
Discord is not an e2ee messenger and we are talking about discord.
>ID verification is hated and costs lots of money.
Having all messages scanned on their backend and having to hire people to read them all would be both more hated and more costly.
>Clearly doesn't work
How can it work if it is just your idea that no one will take seriously because of the obvious consequences of it?
>Btw roblox used a similar concept and take a look at how they're doing.
In the previous post you were suggesting this approach and praising it. Now you are shitting on it.
You are making absolutely no sense.
>See above
Roblox has no such mechanism.

>>106491056
>Maybe tell UK to pound sand instead of folding to a bunch of goose-stepping nazis?
Why?
You have elected this government. If UK citizens want different law they should elect different politicians.
Why should discord cease operation in UK? Because some anon doesn't like law that elected politicians came up with? It's not up to online platforms to dictate your law, they are just doing as told by the ones in power.
>I'm not buying pornography or alcohol, they don't need to ask this question.
That's not what your government thinks. It wasn't Discord's initiative to deanonimize you.

>>106491198
>Discord can see every message. They are not E2E encrypted.
I never claimed otherwise.

>>106491233
>I never claimed otherwise.
You are talking about how people would complain and whine if jeets were reading their messages.
I am informing you that jeets and AI already scan messages on Discord. This already happens. No one is saying anything about it.
You are grossly uninformed.

>>106491218
>People who post on public servers probably do not care if someone else reads their messages.
Thanks for proving my point
>People posting on private servers probably wouldn't like that.
Then they should use something encrypted
>Discord is not an e2ee messenger and we are talking about discord.
Correct, that's why I'm saying your argument is retarded
>Having all messages scanned on their backend and having to hire people to read them all would be both more hated
I disagree
>and more costly.
No, they don't need to read every message and I don't know why you'd assume that.
>How can it work if it is just your idea that no one will take seriously because of the obvious consequences of it?
Are you retarded? I'm saying the current system discord uses doesn't work. Pedos won't self report.
>In the previous post you were suggesting this approach and praising it. Now you are shitting on it.
No, stop being retarded. You misread 4 of the 6 greentexts you quoted. One of your other responses lacked context (that being that dc is not e2ee) and another one was just your opinion because you arguably misread another quote.
>Roblox has no such mechanism.
My dearest retard,
Roblox currently requires people to report content that is considered illegal. People don't do that. Even if people do it, roblox doesn't care. This is the same system discord is currently using. It doesn't work.
Yours truly, the guy whose messages you simply can not understand

>>106491268
>I am informing you that jeets and AI already scan messages on Discord. This already happens. No one is saying anything about it.
They don't for simple reason of scale. Discord handles 4 billion messages daily. That's 46296 messages a second. Let's assume that reading and doing moderation action would take 10 seconds per message. Meaning you would need to hire about 500k people 24/7 to read all the messages without breaks. Minimal wage in India is around 2$ per hour. That would cost them $1kk/h or $730kk/month. Discord simply does not have that much money.
They might be using AI for initial filtering but that is neither reliable nor really that cheap either.
In reality, they probably just AI scan some messages in DMs and community servers and maybe servers on their watch list. But unless you get reported or something, you will probably be hidden in the sheer amount of data that passes through discord.

>>106490639 (OP)
this will reignite the piracy and I have never left the open seas

>>106491272
>Thanks for proving my point
No problem, I never cared about your point. Only about your suggestion and why it sucks.
>Then they should use something encrypted
This is beyond the scope of this conversation.
>Correct, that's why I'm saying your argument is retarded
I don't have any particular argument. I just asked you what do you think they should do differently and what makes the current approach malicious.
>I disagree
Sure.
All I can do is hint at similar situation like in AI Dungeon where they hired jeets to read all the generations to hunt for pedos or something. It was their downfall.
>No, they don't need to read every message and I don't know why you'd assume that.
You suggested that discord themselves should decide whenever each post is R18 or not. Doing this instead of just marking channels would necessitate going through every message ever.
>Are you retarded? I'm saying the current system discord uses doesn't work. Pedos won't self report.
The current system exist to comply with UK law regarding age verification. It has nothing to do with pedos.
>My dearest retard,
>Roblox currently requires people to report content that is considered illegal. People don't do that. Even if people do it, roblox doesn't care. This is the same system discord is currently using. It doesn't work.
It's not the same system. On discord you can create separate channels for R18 and sfw stuff. Admins are responsible for making sure people post in the right channels.
On Roblox there is no such mechanism. All R18 is banned and people have to report it. You can't create an R18 server, so people who want that need to hide. You don't need to hide on discord to do erp.

>>106490639 (OP)
Some people are willing to go to extreme lengths to protect vulnerable people, like children. Everyone has to choose to draw the line in the sand somewhere, how much freedom/privacy/X do you give people? Is freedom/privacy/X in and of itself a good thing? etc. Many people on this Earth don't value freedom like I do, and will happily sacrifice it if it means reducing the total aggregate suffering of the human race. Blah blah blah. (insert rambling) Anyway, their moral system doesn't make them 'superior' to you or me, it's all subjective in the end. I think only technological solutions can create a free internet. It will hurt a lot of people, it will help a lot of people, but it will be a FREE internet.

tldr; people want to protect children from seeing mind-destroying porn, even if it means buttfucking every single person in the world (hyperbole, not really). this rule often doesn't apply to them though, only groups of people they don't like

If they keep this kind of implementation where I can just point it at a video game character and bypass it in 5 seconds I don't care that much. What I do care about is when they start trying to ban vpns or the entire Internet becomes even more of a walled garden than it already is. I don't want to verify my age every time I click a link.

>>106491371
buddy theyve been scanning your shit since covid. most people dont realize it because they didnt read the carefully weasle worded blog post where they announced it. they claimed they had to do it to protect blacks and faggots and then everyone collectively forgot as per updoot mentality.

>>106491505
shut the fuck up you retarded faggot. the jeets they import to work at tacobell come from a country where the age of consent is 0 if you are married, 15 if not. these immigrants routinely get caught literally raping children. my local pizza place got bought byjeets, they hired abunch of jeets to run it. within less than a month, my small town had its FIRST EVER teen-girl rape in the past 10 years. and it wasnt just 1 oopsie woopsies we didnt understand uwu. it was 4 different girls getting raped by the same street shitters before one of them had the courage to come forward and report it since the jeets threatened to murder them to silence them.

nobody in the ruling class cares about your children or protecting them. the same day they sign digital id laws to 'protect the children' they will order drone strikes on elementry schools in gaza you stupid fucking idiot. dont ever give that line of thought even an ounce of credibility. every single member of the ruling class can/has fucked kids. its a bullshit arguement for middle class retards trapped in their own little morality bubbles.

the only porn being effected is the porn not controlled by the jewish gangsters that run our society. digital id was rolled out at porn hub 3 years ago because they knew this counter-attack was coming. they want to make it as hard as possible for people to consume any kind of porn not controlledby their nepotism industry and by extension any media not made by their kind. thats why they go so hard after anime. kpop is the only forign garbage that gets a pass, because south korea is their beach head in east asia.

>>106491865
they will fix it like they always do, idiot.

>>106491056
The problem is you don't get to to decide what's "pornography" or "harmful" (subversive) content.

>>106492845
>shut the fuck up you retarded faggot. the jeets they import to work at tacobell come from a country where the age of consent is 0 if you are married, 15 if not. these immigrants routinely get caught literally raping children.
Yes, obviously importing people from places with different moral systems results in these sorts of conflicts. What's this got to do with what I said?
>nobody in the ruling class cares about your children or protecting them
Not true. Some politicians don't care though and simply want to 1. avoiding pressure from pressure groups. 2. increase the chances of people voting for them. 3. give themselves a moral shield/battering ram to attack other politicians ... n.
>the only porn being effected is the porn not controlled by the jewish gangsters that run our society
Jewish gangsters don't run our society. All types of porn are being affected, see OP's post.
>they want to make it as hard as possible for people to consume any kind of porn not controlledby their nepotism industry
>thats why they go so hard after anime. kpop is the only forign garbage that gets a pass, because south korea is their beach head in east asia.
You are not mentally "there". You probably know you have some issues. Save your post and take a look at it in a couple years, it might make some sense.

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>>106493104
I think what anon is saying is that the "we want to protect the kids" thing is a false motivation. It's not the real motivation behind these policies -- it's just what they use to sell the idea to the public, because outright saying "we want more control and more tracking, so you have to give us your ID now" wouldn't bode very well.
Honestly, anon, if you actually believe these justifications at face value, then you are kind of retarded. It should be patently obvious by now that the ruling class constantly lies about their motivations for doing what they do. "Think of the kids" was never once the actual reason behind any of these policies.

I'm game for verifying my age if it means that the sort of content that being a verified adult remains freely available.

The problem I have is that, in spite of proving I'm over 18, there seems to be a push via backdoor channels to censor and deplatform all the adult content I'd want to consume as an adult.

>>106490639 (OP)
Have you tried making an alt with residential ip/phone number from a cuntry that doesnt care? Or taking some random ID from the internet and using it?

>>106493178
>I think what anon is saying is that the "we want to protect the kids" thing is a false motivation.
Yes, some politicians don't care about children and are doing these things for many reasons, I stated a few.
>it's just what they use to sell the idea to the public
>Honestly, anon, if you actually believe these justifications at face value, then you are kind of retarded.
Not all politicians have a sinister ulterior motive. I understand disliking authority and government, but it's actually naive to think they never have your interests at heart. Many politicians are simply too stupid to think of the ramifications of their actions, it's why they constantly propose solutions that are technically infeasible/impossible and make no sense. Look at the state of governments around the world, don't you understand how STUPID these people are? Many of them genuinely believe in what they say.
>"Think of the kids" was never once the actual reason behind any of these policies.
I can't state conclusively that you are wrong because I'm ignorant, but it's highly unlikely that you are right. Source: my brain.

>>106492845
And who pays for that?

>>106490639 (OP)
They needed to find a way to keep GPU prices up
More facial recognition running = more GPU hours needed = GPU demand stays high