Thread 106508071

lmfao aijeets in shambles

It'll eventually reach human baseline?

>>106508071 (OP)
The human brain also does all it does on an estimated 20 watts of power.

https://www.nist.gov/blogs/taking-measure/brain-inspired-computing-can-help-us-create-faster-more-energy-efficient

Sample from the benchmark
>This is what AI struggles with
Yeah we're safe for another 100 years
It's over

guess since i posted it recently enough i point at >>106507795 from the last thread, though I forgot to take into account case fans.

A few months ago you guys were all going on and on about how zoomers can't tell time on an analog clock

>>106508130
2080 Ti is still serviceable @ 1440p, it's a bit worse than a 5060 Ti 16GB or 9060 XT 16GB.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-2080-ti.c3305

>>106508119
holy shit no way

lol, lmao

>>106508071 (OP)
>AI is basically a zoomer
kek

>not trained for reading clocks
>makes a test specifically for reading clocks
>wow it doesn't perform well
It's impressive how people still to understand how LLMs work

>>106508071 (OP)
The "imaging" parts of multimodal models is just a different model it calls on, which then transcribes into text what it sees. So it's not Gemini 2.5 pro seeing the image, but calling up on a image analysis function which then analyzes the image and reports back in text form to gemini. None of this tests the actual intelligence of the model, just how capable the image processing submodel is.

>>106508071 (OP)
What is this even supposed to prove? What jobs are based around reading analog clocks?

>>106508119
Isn't this the same test psychologists use to determine if someone is mentally sound or not?

>>106508223
>What jobs are based around reading analog clocks?
Any job that requires an IQ higher than 70.

>>106508119
>yfw every model from now on will be finetuned for this crap until another retarded test comes out from people who know nothing about what they are doing

>>106508119
Call me retarded but this one was hard

>>106508274
10:08 flipped is the easy part but that Fri (only part I cheated) looks like a fucked up F + upside down 4

>>106508088
They're using an indian as a basline so it already is well past that.

>>106508283
(I didn't look at any of the other pics which would've hinted at this)

now they're gonna train models to read clocks or whatever alongside coooding and assistantslopping
great

>>106508283
>>106508274
I really hope you are baiting

>>106508119
I have dyscalculia so all of these are extremely difficult for me to read, ironically with exception being the 24hr clock with minutes

>>106508303
you are not human.

>>106508303
dysIdon'tgiveafuck You are just retarded

>>106508311
What do you mean—I'm just as human as you are.

>>106508319
I know :(

>>106508119
So, you are saying the best captcha would be an analogue clock?

>>106508248
You know despite the stereotypes this reminds me that I've never once seen an actual yellow Asian in my life
Brown Asians? Sure, but yellow? Where the fuck are those guys supposed to be?

>>106508303
i guess you can't reason, that really sucks man

>>106508248
Why the fuck is the average IQ in Italy so high

>>106508333
Don't give them ideas

>>106508354
marinara sauce keeps the brain workin' good

wait until you discovered Cock Bench
courtesy of >>>/g/lmg/

>>106508119
>09:38/21:38
>07:51/19:51
>20:16
>01:00/13:00
>10:44/22:44
>gay O' cock
>06:25/18:25
>10:08/22:08
So-o... how did I do fellow humans?

>>106508334
Really??

>>106508354
Tons of olive oil
For Asians it's because their diet is 90% fish based.

>>106508401
Bait?

>>106508119
why do computers and watches (digital) and phones all use 24h format (possible to set) but most analog wall/desk clocks come in 12h format? there's zero use for repeating 12h group outside of some very specialized applications maybe.

>>106508428
You can get 24h analogs

>>106508426
tests are spooky, I get nervous when I take my fellow human

>>106508448
This should be turned into a prove that you are a human test

>>106508426
I meant take them, not take fellow human skin, human not take skin from other human, haha silly.

>>106508428
24-hour clocks require taller clock towers for the counterweight, also requires higher precision for the gearing ratio

easier and cheaper to just let the system roll over at 12h instead of 24h, especially since measuring time in two blocks of 12h was a carryover from ancient horology

>>106508500
those all seem like old constraints which aren't an issue today. the whole "AM or PM?" confusion is surely wasting a lot of human time so humanity would benefit from doing away with it. asking "AM or PM?" must be one of the shitties time wastes out of all you're better off blanking out than wasting energy powering your neurons to utter those words

When I was a kid (maybe I had a flip phone? but wasn't on me immediately) we had this long distance trip for the school band. It was winter so it was pretty dark both in morning and evening, so when I woke up I freaked the fuck out thinking I might've missed the bus by many hours. I don't remember the times.

>>106508333
:O

>>106508531
yea nowadays it's irrelevant, 99.9% of the clocks being bought today are just quartz oscillator based anyway even if they're "analog"

it's just one of those things that because it used to make sense, we keep doing it. like imperial measurements in the US, or driving on the left in the UK so you could more easily draw your sword on someone who rolled up on you (since most people are right handed)

fuck AM/PM, and fuck time zones, and fuck daylight savings, be the change you want to see in the world and switch all the clocks in your house to ISO-8601

>>106508576
global time would be so fucking based. I would be clearly needs to be supported by like...everyone

>>106508588
>global
more like universal time, a clock you can reference at any point in space

>>106508616
that's a major issue 200km up let alone other parts. what time are you keeping exactly? yours or "theirs"?

It's crazy to me that companies are using acres of datacenter space so that dipshits can ask instances of the same models to write their essays for them. Why haven't we cracked realtime learning? Why are they still using tokens? A graphics card is somehow still king while every "npu" so far is a joke? It's like they're not even trying.

>>106508333
Like half the humans out there can't read an analog clock either.

>>106508623
as in you can only track time at relatively the same gravitational well depth (earth's surface), the rest drifts

>>106508616
>universal time
Who's gonna tell him?

>>106508632
>Like half the humans out there can't read an analog clock either.
Sound like a win to me. We will have less retards spamming /g/ that way.

>>106508636
this guy doesn't know about TCB, everyone point and laugh

>>106508071 (OP)
Go gives a fuck about analogue clocks? Okay so humans perform better at reading a clock, let's ignore everything it's far better at then.

>>106508664
my wording was wrong, you can track any time but we're back to the same problem, different times for different places, which is literally irrelevant on the surface of the planet. we're all in sync here since we're all at same gravitational depth, on the surface of the planet.

>>106508071 (OP)
ai people are dumb
but people who lap up these dumb vanity projects where its basically just strawmaning are not good

>>106508636
can't we just use gravity to calibrate that? like add a gravity sensor to the clock and use that to adjust and eliminate uncertainties?
say someone in space looks at the clock it will look like it's ticking a bit fast, but someone using the same clock on earth will see it ticking at insane speeds or something.

>>106508223

pickupartist_or_kebab 21:30 at railway station 01:30 at bar

>>106508226
>at least 10% of the human population is psychologically incompetent
i honestly expected a higher number

>>106508731
They probably conducted the survey on some high end college campus or something and scaled the number, so you yeah you might not be wrong.

>>106508691
its not about the clock

its the fact that AI DOES NOT REASON. It cannot solve problems based on what it already "knows". It doesn't actually "know" anything.

AI is flawed from the foundation.

>>106508717
that's what GPS satellites do but you're back to the initial problem, keeping different times for different places. my point was that is actually required for everywhere BUT the surface of the planet. since all our clocks tick at the same rate here.

>qwen 72B is better than most western slop
grim

>>106508248
>Argentina is white
Based
>>106508412
Maybe Mussolini was unto something...
>>106508576
>fuck daylight savings
>tfw my country only recently discarded it after almost 3 decades of use

>>106508248
iNIGGERS BTFO

>>106508071 (OP)
>>106508119
They shouldn'd disclose the test, now the will be benchmaxxed to tell an analogue clock

>>106508401
>>20:16
anon, i...

>>106508226
there is. but it's the opposite. you're told to draw a clockface that shows a specific time. people with e.g. alzheimers struggle with it.

>>106508283
>Fri
that's the easiest part

>>106508333
captchas don't work, google admitted it on youtube by "you must login so we know you aren't a bot"

>>106508354
Italy gets a bad reputation because of all the retarded gabagool diaspora from the south (if you're American, imagine if all everyone saw of your country were barely-literate rednecks from alabama), which is essentially a different country from the north (everything in-between is kind of a gradual transition between the two), but the northerners aren't very different from the more "respected" Europeans.
These differences are mostly cultural I think, but there's definitely a genetic component as well.
This cultural/genetic diversity means that depending on where the data comes from, you can get pretty different results.

>>106510057
Yeah mt mistake, I thought it was being told to draw an analog clock with the mentioned time, not the other way around.

>>106510072
It is if I zoom in at 200% and see that it the "ri" part was in fact not a single glyph.

Not surprised by this news.

draw the gock

>>106508186
Exactly. We just need more training data and 500 billion dollars then agi can be achieved in the next two weeks

>>106510113
are you on a phone or some shit?
the pic is huge

>>106508071 (OP)
Ok but for 99.9999% of jobs AI will do it can use a digital timing source
For recognising time on images it will be much more efficient on digital clocks as it will recognise numbers like 23:59 easily.
What’s the takeaway from this? The niche case of identifying the time on a clock from an image is currently hard?
If anything it’s becoming a reach to find any analysis that AI is not incredibly good at.

>>106510422
I lost the thread already but OP said something about doing a clock reader as a side project then some random guy from a Korean factory asked for support on how to run the thing; for the purpose of reading analogue gauges instead of clocks. Another user commented he stuck a cardboard dial on a wall and had the camera read it to change spotify volume.

>>106508071 (OP)
>>106508119
>89.1
What the fuck? This is world news material.
Surely there has to be some kind of selection bias, no?
Maybe they asked kids, or third-worlders or something.
An average error rate of 10% is way too high for a normal adult, even with the flipped and unusual examples in the picture.

>>106508071 (OP)
Why would you ask a text predictor to tell you the time? they weren't designed for that

>>106508071 (OP)
show zoomer baseline

>>106508274
I'm pretty sure it's just 1:52 and the mirror is just a texture.

>>106508448
The minutes are a slight pain in the ass though.

>>106510496
kek?
i posted a screenshot of it earlier did u actually read that thread too or did u read my thumbnail
funny
>>106508703

>>106508119
most zoomers can't even read analog clocks

>>106508071 (OP)
AI's main usecase it to be a tool for fulfilling my fantasies, that's it
>>106508398
the only bench that matters here

>>106509455
did you get confused or something?
the brown countries use Android

>>106508089
The human brain is doing a million other things at the same time. The extra power used to tell time is insignificant.

>>106508071 (OP)
Zoomers can't read the analog clock either. Let this sink in for a minute.

>>106508071 (OP)
Analog clocks are obsolete. AI has no need to read them. This benchmark is just anti-AI propaganda. AI is the future. AI will replace this man and it will replace you.

>>106512745
shit, I might've actually just read your pic then remembered it hours later when it came to replying, I was wondering why I couldn't find it in my browser history

>>106513792
zoomers dont know typically because they were never exposed to them, of course you arent going to understand something you have never seen before. But unlike AI, the zoomer can easily learn how it works once you teach them, even the roman numerals. All on 20 watts of power vs the 10000x more power required from LLMs

>>106508703
>>106515043
i decided to look it up to see what the original thread was about
>Ask HN: What's the most creative 'useless' program you've ever written?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41894765

>>106508186
I thought we had AGI though? Does it need to be trained for months on every single little thing? Oh right, AGI is coming in two more weeks. My bad.

>>106508357
Filters zoomers too

These AIs already beat most black people

>>106515813
It's already taking art trannies jobs so thats pretty impressive I think

>89.1%
did they control for black "humans"

Hmm

>>106508089
realistically if you factor out keeping you alive, sensory, neurons, etc. it's probably using 1mw to do this benchmark.

>>106508274
Bruh

>>106508119
>>106508071 (OP)
>Train the AI on a bunch of analog clocks (an otherwise irrelevant task for it to be doing)
Gap closed.

>>106508248
Is no one going to say anything about the elephant in tge room, Sierra Leone?

>>106515073
It's not hard to figure out how it's suppose to work. Even if you have no concept of what an analog clock is (if you have literally never seen one before) you should be able to grasp the basics of it using your reasoning skills.
Someone with average reasoning skills should be able to figure out the general purpose of a clock simply by looking at it, even if they've never seen one.
After figuring out the general purpose, it's not hard to figure out how it tells time by looking at its form.
The real problem is that zoomers lack critical thinking and reasoning skills. They are some of the most braindead non-humans I have ever had the displeasure of interacting with in the real world. One of my old coworkers couldn't even figure out how to add whole numbers without a calculator. He couldn't figure out how to ADD. He was 19.

>>106508354
THE GABAGOOOL

>>106519832
>Even if you have no concept of what an analog clock is (if you have literally never seen one before) you should be able to grasp the basics of it using your reasoning skills.
Meh, it's confusing on a ton of clocks figuring out which hand refers to minutes and which one hours if they're both pointing to close numbers.

>>106519856
it really depends on the clock.
Some clocks are fucked up "artistic pieces" that you won't really be able to tell time on unless you already know how an analog clock works. The one hanging in my boss's office is literally a circular band of metal with three hands and no distinguishing features. I could understand not being able to tell the time on something like that.

>>106508119
What the fuck are these things?

>>106508334
>yellow
its one of those things that was probably more true historically, malnutrion and disease was a fairly large issue in asia, due to heavy reliance on rice, coupled with certain gene variants which increase the number of carotenoids in the skin may be more expressed by those working outdoors.

>humans in the reading analog clocks industry are safe for now
Thank goodness bros...

>>106508274
...buddy, even if you read it without flipping, your brain should be able to just look at it and go "10 past 10". Then on flipping you go oh, 8 minutes past.

That's like the simplest reverse too that's not 6pm or quarter past 9 etc.

>>106508292
>Train AI to read clocks
>chatting to it about Ian Smith
>it starts thinking god I need to check the time
>response is okay, missing context on something
>good heavens look at the time is in the thoughts
>response still normal but lacking
>third response it's fixated on the time
>Ian Smith was described as a clock watcher
That's how it happens, same with alignment fixation.
>>106508119
These are awful examples too. So lazy.

>>106508186
the person who designed the benchmark understands how LLMs work. he did it to point out how retarded normalshits, retard CEOs, and LLM peddlers are.