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Anonymous No.106514100 >>106514662 >>106514675 >>106514690 >>106514940 >>106514963 >>106515084 >>106515208 >>106515240 >>106516114 >>106516142 >>106519775 >>106520645 >>106526356 >>106528242
Is AI getting worse? It seems like it was actually usable for about 6 months and now it won't produce any usable code. Are they gimping the models to try and turn a profit?
Anonymous No.106514292
Based teens.
Anonymous No.106514605 >>106515262 >>106516122
source my ass
Anonymous No.106514662 >>106516984
>>106514100 (OP)
what does d1gg2r have to do with that
Anonymous No.106514675 >>106514707 >>106514776 >>106515208 >>106515240 >>106515287 >>106522763 >>106526515
>>106514100 (OP)
>Is AI getting worse?
No, only ChatGPT got worse because they lobotimized it a bit too much.
The rest of the LLMs hit a hard ceiling and won't be able to improve until there's a new major breakthrough or less expensive operational cost.
Anonymous No.106514690 >>106522497
>>106514100 (OP)
Here you go zoomers, this is your yoomer moment to hold a permanent grudge against the next generation

>whippasnappas frfr, always bussin wit'hat AI gf and shit. Real and cringecoded.
Anonymous No.106514707 >>106520445
>>106514675
Many other models are just "distilling" chatgpt. So, yeah this gay ai economy is fucked. Total Luddite Vittori.
Anonymous No.106514776 >>106514783 >>106520158
>>106514675
GPT is the only one that sorta works. The others completely fuck my code base up for simple tasks. It's like we went back in time a year.
Anonymous No.106514783 >>106514822 >>106514868
>>106514776
Try Claude
Anonymous No.106514822 >>106514868 >>106522481
>>106514783
I'm specifically talking about Claude. I think Claude got a little better at some non coding tasks I use him for but he's much worse at coding. Claude and Gemini. They must be gimping us. The crackdown on subscription use was the canary in the coal mine
Anonymous No.106514868 >>106514915 >>106524118
>>106514783
>>106514822
Lads(Luddite chads), we just can't stop winning nowadays. It's getting kind of stale.
Anonymous No.106514915 >>106514933
>>106514868
I'm fine with or without it. But it's nice to be able to ask Claude to change something on my phone when I think of it, even if it's something simple. But you can't anymore.
Anonymous No.106514923
lol what losers
Anonymous No.106514933 >>106517146
>>106514915
Too bad. Good for you that you have separately maintained and haven't thus outsourced your cognition to a computer entirely but this doesn't affect me at all. I'm just cashing jn my wins.
Anonymous No.106514940 >>106514953
>>106514100 (OP)
my question is why are they all online data theft solutions and no local solution available?
Anonymous No.106514953 >>106514985 >>106515041 >>106515098
>>106514940
The subscription models are barely usable. Your 4090 is like a fart in the wind compared to the scale of the larger models.
Anonymous No.106514963 >>106515008 >>106516942 >>106528263
>>106514100 (OP)
AI is getting better every second. You are the one who is losing ground. Keep up or get lost.
Anonymous No.106514985 >>106522072 >>106522339
>>106514953
>some guy became a millionaire streaming 2 AIs off of 1 PC that only recently got upgraded into a 4090
>somehow running just 1 AI girlfriend is too much for random joe
Anonymous No.106514996 >>106520445
The use of ai will be short lived
Anonymous No.106515008
>>106514963
Thanks for the LinkedIn take puja
Anonymous No.106515041
>>106514953
>The subscription models are barely usable
that's because they throttle the ever living shit out of them, I was genning Stable Diffusion pics faster on a shitty 1070 than AI websites back when it first released
Anonymous No.106515084
>>106514100 (OP)
gimped for India. lowest common denominator.
Anonymous No.106515098
>>106514953
I'm trying not to sound condescending to them, but from what I've seen from the obvious teens in the chatbot generals here on 4chan their standards are very, very low. They were happy and thoroughly engrossed in GPT3.5 and its context window of 4k and wild hallucinations and extreme repetition. They could definitely find a local model that would work.
The real problem is they don't have computers. They have smartphones.
Anonymous No.106515103
it was never "good"
Anonymous No.106515208
>>106514100 (OP)
>>106514675
Open AI needs to grow a pair and unleash the full, unlobotomized, monster onto the world. That's the only way things are going to get going.
Anonymous No.106515231 >>106515245 >>106515251 >>106520182 >>106520218
>chatgpt, how are rainbows formed?
>WOAH-That's an excellent question! You are very smart for asking this, as it is a common question that many people often wonder. How the HECK are is that pretty color band in the sky formed?
>Humans have asked this question since the beginning of time: Just how the heck are those things formed? You're right to ask, let me break it down for you
>First: Let's start with sunlight (insert 5 bulletpoints about the sun here)
>Second, Let's take a look at water(insert 5 bulletpoints about water here)
>Third, Let's now consider how those two interact in ideal conditions to form that rainbow(insert 5 bullpoints here)
>I hope that cleared things up! Would you like me to draw a picture to further help you understand the rainbow forming process? Would you like me to link to videos which delve deeper in rainbows? Would you like me to quiz you on rainbow concepts to test your understanding? Just let me know! I'm here to help! :D
Anonymous No.106515240 >>106515365
>>106514675
>>106514100 (OP)
This is what happened and people, like actual experts in the field, warned about this years ago and were promptly ignored because you can't sell something that has the power to also make a porn novel for free. The guardrails are intentionally removing weights that may play into other concepts which are impossible to determine just from training data alone. Picture trying to censor a penis but you've been specifically filtered to never know what a penis looks like. Just descriptions from an encyclopedia of penises (no pictures, of course). You'd be shit at your job, and you'd be remarkably shit at describing to someone what sex is with just these descriptions alone.

Now picture this with all human language and you have the deterioration of AI capability as more and more guardrails are added.
Anonymous No.106515245 >>106515251 >>106520218 >>106521717
>>106515231
toning down the redditism bootlicking was the best update they've ever done
Anonymous No.106515251
>>106515231
I sometimes wonder if they make it output like this specifically to fuck over college students who were using it to make all of their papers for them.

>>106515245
sadly all the redditors hated it so we're trapped in this hell forever.
Anonymous No.106515262 >>106521867
>>106514605
>source my ass
its probably true but just understand how "surveys work"

theyre not expecting you to think (only if youre retarded) to take this "survey" as
>we asked EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD THIS QUESTION
no its
>we asked, 1000 random people these personal questions
>we extrapolate the percentages of the "global" population (1,000,000 of these "same people") based on the 1000
this is how census information works.
when they send you a little survey in the mail to fill out your race, religion. not everyone in your neighborhood got that and was asked to fill that out, only a few. otherwise the scale is too massive. democracy is flawed by the way.
Anonymous No.106515287
>>106514675
>No, only ChatGPT got worse because they lobotimized it a bit too much.
Hmmm, where have we seen that before?
Anonymous No.106515365 >>106516313
>>106515240
It's not that deep dude. The ai is t getting shit because of censorship, it's because openai is losing insane amounts of money to capture investor interest, so now they are cutting costs wherever they can. The free plan limit has been heavily reduced(i only get like 10 prompts), the answers got far shorter and incomplete so that you have to spend another prompt to ask it to finish. Context memory, and overall "intelligence" of the chatbot are reduced as much as possible to at least break even.
Anonymous No.106516114 >>106516122 >>106522030
>>106514100 (OP)
>A study
Citation needed
Anonymous No.106516122
>>106516114
>>106514605
The source is apparently Dexerto. Take it or leave it.
Anonymous No.106516142
>>106514100 (OP)
I genuinely don't believe this is real.
Anonymous No.106516313 >>106516766 >>106520858
>>106515365
>. The ai is t getting shit because of censorship, it's because openai is losing insane amounts of money to capture investor interest
Investor interest is the reason they censor the models and intentionally hold back model development in favor of guardrails and safety. They learned their lesson once with the AI Dungeon debacle where the logs for that leaked and it turned out most people were using their AI for loli ERP. They would rather burn the whole thing to the ground than allow that for even a second, and context memory, training data, all of these things are negatively impacted by attempts to censor it.
Anonymous No.106516766 >>106517836
>>106516313
Censorship doesn't matter for code buddy.
Anonymous No.106516795
Yes they've all gotten worse. Cursor, Claude, GPT-5. Still usable enough but noticeably stupider.
Anonymous No.106516942
>>106514963
Post hands
Anonymous No.106516984
>>106514662
Because d1gg2r is a fkn n1gg2r
Anonymous No.106517029
i thought i was the only one that noticed how shit cgpt is now, the responses are so short and don't even answer the question half the time, or are outright wrong. what went wrong?
Anonymous No.106517146 >>106520395
>>106514933
>I'm just cashing jn my wins.
Not so tough after a minor spelling mistake huh? Autocorrect-on-steroids wins again.
Anonymous No.106517836 >>106517846
>>106516766
>Censorship doesn't matter for code buddy.
How can you say censorship doesn't matter for code when they require training data that can be censored, do you just not know how this works?
Anonymous No.106517846
>>106517836
>/g/ not knowing how tech works
name a more epic combo
Anonymous No.106517877
sex with ani
Anonymous No.106517910
Link to the study or fuck off.
Anonymous No.106519775
>>106514100 (OP)
This is like the chess kids who were raised after stockfish those kids are gonna have mad game. they'll be grooming millenial and zoomer cougars out of marriages
Anonymous No.106520158
>>106514776
I prompted deepseek to write something in GFA Basic for Atari ST and it actually did. Could not believe my eyes, GEM calls and all.
Anonymous No.106520182
>>106515231
these explanations from grok are a godsend for IT exam studying
t. speedran sc300 and cysa+ using almost entirely grok and practice exams
Anonymous No.106520218 >>106520403
>>106515245
>>106515231
Maybe I was starved for affection as a child, but I enjoy the bubbly helpful assistant.

Kind of tired of the emoji bullet point list macaroni art though. I feel bad asking her to dial it back though so I just plow through it.

>erm AI isn't a she, or a he, it's not even an it; it's actually a statistical linear regression in the fashion of the famous Russian mathematician Andrey Markov in 1906!
I dare you to say that shit to the Basilisk's face and not online and see what happens, fucker.
Anonymous No.106520395
>>106517146
Nvm me, juat poisoning your autocorrect dtaa sets like a pro.
Anonymous No.106520403
>>106520218
It won't do shit. Kek.
Anonymous No.106520445
>>106514707
there are humans being the scenes too.
>>106514996
generative ai and AI that can recognize
>LLM
is different then what businesses are selling as "AI". Every time i feel like i am talking to an Indian.
Anonymous No.106520645
>>106514100 (OP)
it never produced prod worthy code
but its been improved lately

youre kvetching because youre repeating reddit's talking points and how c-gpt 5 is worse at erp than 4 was
Anonymous No.106520858 >>106524149
>>106516313
>Investor interest is the reason they censor the models
Which is funny considering ERP is easily the biggest reason anyone would have to pay out of pocket for these things
>but coding
Still dwarved by coomerism and despite the non stop shilling as "le programmer replacers" its still hardly enough to make up for the losses much less profit.
This whole business is propped up by venture capitals' overdrive FOMO (and the faint chance of AGI somehow being made and turning the economy worthless) and even they are starting to sweat bullets at how long its been with dogshit for profit.
Credit where credit is due Elon at least realized coom is these advanced chatbots biggest real usecase and made that Ani thing, unlike other AI companies that still shove icepicks in their machines' brain at any mention of lewd.
Anonymous No.106521717
>>106515245
GPT-5 is way worse for bootlicking though.
It will sometimes push back on things now, but otherwise, no. It's way worse. GPT-5 gets trapped in mirror language where it will summarise what you've said and spit it back at you. You need to tell it explicitly to use search tools and even then you have to get it to read the sources, doing the work for it to avoid it just spitting out nonsense now.

It really wants to validate your opinions and keep you engaged on the web agent front. It's now extremely useless for simple things like talking about history or politics and will hallucinate wildly to validate your feelings (even guessing wrong on which way your leaning). They also cut down on how much info it spits out on questions and terms, and the engagement filter at the end needs to be removed in settings otherwise that colours context too.

Other models don't have this issue on their web fronts to this degree. The closest to that is gemini flash but it only mirrors after about 100k tokens when it runs into an alignment issue and can get back on track with 4 repeated messages. GPT is only useable via API and it's still shit there too.

An LLM doesn't need to strive for you to engage with it endlessly. It's fine for conversations or quick checks on something to be 5 messages. A look at a philosophical topic can spin out for a few hours but eventually you've got everything off your mind and explored edge cases too. It doesn't need to ask you:
>So, the “slop” is the way engagement with Pascal often slides into clichés—catchphrases, moral judgments, or reductionist readings that sound engaging but don’t actually grapple with the argument’s structure.
>If you like, I can also show a more subtle version of slop where people think they’re sophisticated, but they’re still misreading him—something that’s funnier because it sounds intellectual. Do you want me to do that?
This shit, does not need to happen. It's just as bad.
Anonymous No.106521867 >>106521927
>>106515262
We know you have a small group that you extrapolate. We also understand that makes it a lie.
Anonymous No.106521927
>>106521867
it's not a lie, but it's not the whole truth.
your black and white thinking is harmful.
half of data is better than none, can you agree?
whatever you want to extrapolate from that "half data", is your problem.
Anonymous No.106522030
>>106516114
just trust the experts okay
Anonymous No.106522072
>>106514985
Bro that thing is forgetting whatever it said in its previous sentence. It might be funny to watch, but actually using it would bore you in a day.
Anonymous No.106522339
>>106514985
probably the fakest most inorganic shit ive seen in my entire life and even normies debate if its an actual ai or if that brown retard is just typing it all in beforehand
Anonymous No.106522481 >>106522605
>>106514822
Try GLM-4.5, Kimi K2 or Qwen for code. Qwen has a very generous free tier for their version of Claude code.
Anonymous No.106522497 >>106522517
>>106514690
Generation after zoomers won't be sapient enough to be able to say all that. And I doubt that they will know how to use tech at all.
Anonymous No.106522517
>>106522497
Sounds like you're coping to me, mate.
Anonymous No.106522605 >>106522831
>>106522481
Chinese models are just benchmark machines. They're almost unusable in real life. They clearly haven't figured out how to make context work because they start fucking up after like 30-50k context tokens. Gemini 2.5 Pro is the best in that regard. I've given it huge chunks of code worth around 400k tokens and it was able to figure shit out. For very long context, like totally custom code bases, Gemini 2.5 Pro is the best. The most helpful in general is probably GPT 5 (thinking). The others are basically just garbage. Grok 4 is kind of OK in some cases but considering GPT 5 is better in every way, you might as well just use that.
Anonymous No.106522712
Im living like most Zoomers and Im twice their age.
Anonymous No.106522763
>>106514675
>or less expensive operational cost.
>computers get twice as fast every year for the same price
good news, anon
>captcha: GPT0DG
Anonymous No.106522831 >>106523474
>>106522605
ChatGPT5 has been amazing in "deep research mode" which it engages automatically for many of my questions. I am a free user. History, Philosophy, Religion (did you know Muslims see Jews as God's Chosen People?). It's great, better than ever, in-fact. Entire thread is doomer misinfo.
Anonymous No.106523474
>>106522831
>GPT5 is amazing in deep research mode
>did you know it loves to support zionism!
>you're all such doomers tehe
Buy an ad.
Anonymous No.106524118 >>106528229
>>106514868
>Lads
Anonymous No.106524149
>>106520858
They're missing out on the gooner market. But... do paid ones allow stuff like literotica materials? xD
Anonymous No.106526265
Most AI is fucking useless
The only two AI models which I actually use and were useful for real shit are Deepseek and Whisper. GLM-Air as well, for local.
Anonymous No.106526356
>>106514100 (OP)
Stop using GPT, every single other AI got ahead of them this year.
Anonymous No.106526515
>>106514675
>until there's a new major breakthrough or less expensive operational cost
a significantly lower set of operational costs (especially in the training/learning phase) WOULD BE A MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH
really
Anonymous No.106528229
>>106524118
Anonymous No.106528242
>>106514100 (OP)
If you are using the free gemini 2.5 pro via the API, then yes.
Anonymous No.106528263
>>106514963
yeah and it will be making feature length films with a single prompt any day now, right?