Thread 106515094

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped
Guide: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 9700X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (265K for value & reliability, 14400F budget, 14600K midrange)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-6, Duronaut, PTM7950 (phase change)

>MOTHERBOARD
Avoid ASRock AM5 boards, CPU degradation issues still reported.

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

>SSD (Keep firmware updated)
Budget: SN7100, NM790
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580 (for new builds), used card
Midrange: 9060 XT 16GB, 5060 TI 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: 9070 XT, 5070 Ti
Workstation: 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P, ASUS XG259CS
1440p: KTC H27T22, Gigabyte M27Q, ASUS XG27ACS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), XG32UCWMG (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

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>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: might launch in Q4 '25, 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.

>Omissions
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.

Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: BIOS update required due to reliability issues. Recommended to set a CPU VR voltage limit (1.4 or 1.45V).

>Product Notice
PNY RTX 50 cards have QC issues (rattling fans, reports of 5070 & 5090 with blown capacitors)

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>>106515002
i meant software not specifically utilizing their single die v-cache
dual ccd can't be THAT bad

>>106513613
same anon here
is 2*64GB 6000CL30 doable/realistic? Gonna settle on 9950X(3D), still undecided
am also looking into general mobo buying recommendations other than looks

WHAT
A 5090 PULLS 575 WATTS
WHAT
THROUGH 1 CABLE
WAT

>>106515265
I'm sorry too expensive for You poorfag?

Holy shit 9060 XTs just outpriced 5060 Tis here

>>106515276
Yes

Can someone tell me what this MicroATX variant is called?
It measures 9.5 x 6.75, almost the exact height of Micro-ATX and width of Mini-ITX.
This board is fron like 2009. I got it like 10 years ago, and remember reading this form factor was somewhat standard, being used by other companies, and having a name. But I cant remember.

The manual for the board calls it "Flex/Micro ATX". But Flex ATX is 9" x 7.5" and can only fit up to 3 expansion slots.

>>106515286
>every single "bug fix" is actually a hardware bug they they worked around
>this reduces performance every driver
how likely is this

I want to buy an 5090 and I hate myself for it.

Arguably the last place(5070 vs 9070) where AMD could maybe be worth discussing is gone due to 5070 price cuts.
Why are they even still releasing desktop gpus at all if they're not even going to try a little bit to be competitive?
Will youtube tech channels and reddit stop shilling radeon finally? Even /r/Nvidia every other post is just regurgitating GamersNexus and Hardware Unboxed seethe.

https://www.trendforce.com/news/2025/09/05/news-tsmc-to-implement-a-significant-price-hike/

>TSMC plans to raise prices by 5-10% for advanced nodes below 5nm, including the 2nm process scheduled for mass production by late 2025
> The driving forces behind this pricing shift are TSMC’s escalating manufacturing expenses, particularly its massive investments in Arizona, as well as its unrivaled dominance in the global foundry market.
>TSMC has invested more than USD 65 billion into its Arizona fabs, where construction and operational expenses are proving a major burden

Since trump demanded local manufacturing TSMC decided to pass the costs to the entire world who buy their products.

>>106515327
very likely, hardware is always buggy
if it's especially bad the fixes will cost you performance

>>106515373
this is going to be the last good generation of hardware that is affordable

all the bitching about prices now be memory holed in 2027

>>106515286
What I don't understand is that 566.36 was actually a pretty ok driver. The jump from 566.36 > 572.16 introduced at least 100+ bugs and a lot of them still have not been fixed in the latest driver. It's not just PCIE5 because 40 series and 30 series cards also have issues. Even if it was AI, there is a solid code base from before the enshitification that nvidia could look at, so what the fuck is happening?

i miss Rory Mercury likes so much

People laughed at asus for their weird mobo connector, but who's laughing now?

>>106515480
the people who laughed were always low iq retards.

>>106515435
all the old devs of the driver became millionaires when the stock skyrocketed. What's left are the juniors, jeets and AI.

trading qdoled fringing to woled subpixels and eye strain from dithering? It's over
IPS is calling, I might have to answer

>>106515480
You have to use both BTF and the regular connector for an advantage. Sadly the BTF board doesn't fit my case otherwise I'd have considered it but a regular Astral does the job just fine.

>>106515286
doesn't matter
he will still use his 5090 because he is a millionaire

I'll be real with you bros, this PC is my first ever with an AMD CPU (Ryzen 5 9600) and it feels so fucking weird. I've been an Intel boy my entire life, it's like I'm betraying my own team...
I've had Nvidia and AMD GPUs on and off though, and I'm on Nvidia right now, because they're just that much better, but I would be open to going back to an AMD GPU at some point. It's just that having a Ryzen-whatever instead of a Core i-whatever feels "wrong"...

>>106515537
i'm still going to use my 5090 too because it's the fastest card available retard, but the bugs are annoying as shit

>>106515541
try making friends irl instead of having fantasy friendships with corporations

>>106515552
my IRL friends have similar friendships with corporations too, except it's car brands kek
a guy laughed at me saying he'd never let himself be seen driving an Opel like my Zafira, instead of a BMW or Mercedes

>>106515550
>i'm still going to use my 5090
then nothing else matters

>>106515583
boycotting does not work and you are stupid if you think not buying something is proving any point to a massive trillion dollar corporation

>>106515607
you seem mad is it your buggy 5090 making you seethe like this

doesn't matter anyway just turn it on and play games on a 5090

poor people shouldn't be allowed to discuss anything online

My 5090

it's for video games

Will Daniel Owen revise his tier list by making the 9070 a d tier card and the 5070 an A tier?

>>106515630
>Will Daniel Owen do something that pisses his AMD fanbase off?
What do you think?

Thoughts on this build?
I'm looking for a small form factor build, but also a strong one for productivity tasks. I mostly work in After Effects. I really like the aesthetics of the Terra which is where I started this build.
Money is not really a factor since work pays for it, but that doesn't mean I should get a 5080 for the hell of it either.
PCPP shows the cooler as incompatible but that's because it's only compatible with certain GPU limitations, which the 5060Ti is within.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dCQpcx

>>106515650
well you should get a 5080

>>106515630
Not that it actually matters to me, but the 5070 is definitely a top tier card this generation. Significantly more powerful than the 5060 Ti for proportionally little extra money (~35-40% extra performance for 20% extra money), and significantly cheaper than the 5070 Ti for proportionally little less performance (~25-30% less performance for 35-40% less money).
It's the sweet spot middle ground IMO.
>muh 12GB RAM
You'll be out of raw raster performance by the time you run out of 12GB RAM at 1080p or 1440p.
Of course, you should always grab the most expensive/best card your budget will allow!

>>106515674
From what I've seen, getting a very good GPU doesn't give a significant boost to After Effects.

>>106515683 (me)
*VRAM, obviously

ha ha ha

gay em dee

>>106515701
Yeah sadly AMD just isn't an option for productivity.

>The 5090 lost performance across the board, just lost performance

So between January - September the $2000 Graphics card only got worse and is much worse now than it was back then

>>106515480
turbo gay. atx may be ancient and outdated, but this is some vendor lock-in type bullshit

>>106515541
You reward the company that makes the better product, it's not your job to support a company that can't perform.

>>106515480
but who is buying BTF mobos and cases?

>>106515541
I understand homie good luck with ryzen but I still don't trust it outside gaming

How much worse is the 7600X3D against the 7800X3D when it is not paired up with the fastest GPU but with a mid-range card?
All those reviews always use a highend GPU for testing.
Could it make the difference between playable and not playable?

I only internet and play games on the PC, nothing productive.

5090 only lost performance and 5070 gained performance

lol

lmao even

>>106515773
buy both do the testing report on it and send one back

I love tech reviewers
>hurr durr this budget mobo is shit compare to X870E
>but what did you expect for less than 500$

>>106515747
God, why are they so fucking expensive?

>>106515823
Only flexfags want them to use with wireless fans

>>106515823
Do they cost significantly more than the regular ones? If I'd build my PC now I'd consider it for the double connector on the 5090 but otherwise I don't really see a reason.

Don't worry
Nvidia making even more money from datacenters will improve the geforce drivers

>>106515895
apparently it's like 3 biggest companies that are pumping up this bubble
the second it pops nvidia is back to being poor

r3600 and 5600xt
set for years to come

>Steve from gamernexus admitted they only use nvidia GPU's at their lab
So why do these techtubers always recommend AMD gpus while never using them themselves

>>106515933
They portray them as the better variant for budget-conscious poorfags, while using the highest specced things themselves. This is effectively the same question as
>Why does MKBHD shill OnePlus every year while daily driving iPhone?

Are 160mm case fans a meme or legit?

>>106515933
I tell people not to bother tuning their ram.

>>106515959
If your case comes with them they're fine. Wouldn't try to retrofit them to a case designed for 120/140/200mm fans though.

>>106515933
>So why do these techtubers always recommend AMD gpus while never using them themselves
the youtube algo and chronically online AMDicksuckers feed into the algo, to be a techtuber you have to suck the AMDick
More AMDicks sucked = more revenue
Shill AMD to chronically online AMD bros = Revenue

stop listening to sloptubers

>>106515959
yes

>>106515959
the bigger the better
i rock 2x 180's for intake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbie3MU5igU

amazing how little pc gamers know about their hardware

steve from gaymer nexus is putting on the kilos, needs to go on a diet before it's too late.

>>106516082
>pc gamers
>leaving their home

SEXOOOOOOOOOOO

>>106516082
stopped watching when one of them unironically said "I use arch btw"
wayy too cringe for me.

>>106516098
I should go on a cut... it's so fucking boring though

>p12/p14 fans not available in reverse
Fuck, any alternatives? I dont mind mixing different brands as long as they're all ARGB.

>>106516157
LIAN LI UNI FAN 3 PACK 90 DOLLARS

>>106515371
>9060 XT 16GB: 5060 Ti 16GB - $50
>9070 XT: 5070 Ti - $50
>9070: 5070 + $50
You can't make this up.

>>106516172
No you have to cheer for AMD because some people got a 9070XT for $599 in March and nobody else ever did

Are 3 pin gpus okay to power with 2 pcies and a pigtail?

>>106516191
no and don't come here and complain about instability later

>New report blames Phison's pre-release firmware for SSD failures — not Microsoft’s August patch for Windows
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/new-report-blames-phisons-pre-release-firmware-for-ssd-failures-not-microsofts-august-patch-for-windows

Drives recommended in the OP do not use Phison controllers, including the NM790 (Maxio MAP1602).

why is Valve making their own desktop computer?! who tf would even buy that

>>106515373
>everybody get mad at trump because your trinkets cost more!!!!
They've been raising prices every year because they're number one and they know it. It isn't related to politics.

>>106516191
Go look up the actual power draw of your card.

>>106516191
Depends on how much power the card needs

>>106516191
Some PSU manufacturers say it's fine. It depends on the quality of the pig-tailed cables (AWG rating).
Seasonic & Corsair's pig-tailed cables should be okay.
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/explorer/diy-builder/power-supply-units/individual-8-pin-vs-pigtail-connectors-for-gpus/

>>106516191
<450w?

>>106516217
dumbass nips spreading misinfo

>>106516223
it's more VR garbage and steam deck proved valvedrones will buy anything at this point Gaben needs a bigger yacht

any case similar or better than corsair frame 5000d?
I was gonna get the 4000 but it looked a bit flimsy compared to he 5000 and now I kinda like the idea of a chunky full tower case

>>106516262
Meshify 3 XL or one of the ProArt cases PA401/602.
They're pricey.

Finalising my PC list, I HATE dealing with AM5 motherboards to be honest.
Is there anything I'm massively fucking up (inb4 going AMD on the GPU I know) or should pay slightly more for far better?
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/f6chHW

>>106516328
Everything's fine.

>>106516328
you should switch ram to some better brand like corsair
then buy 5070 ti
otherwise it looks fine

>>106516353
RAM is the most fungible component especially when we're dealing with guaranteed Hynix bins.

>>106516328
A lot of money for mid range performance

>>106516223
Valve is trying to sell a more affordable PC gaming device because they need to grow their Steam customer base.

I'm helping a friend pick out parts and it's extremely disconcerting that the website I usually get parts from is selling a RM850x for less than a RM750x. They don't sell used or refurbished parts, so I have no idea why this could be. The RM750x is out of stock, so should I just go with the RM850x? He'll be running a 5070, so he doesn't even need 850 watts, I just picked the next applicable Corsair PSU in the same range from the PSU tier list and found it's somehow ten euro cheaper. I've also been looking at the Seasonic Vertex GX 750, because I've always had good results one way or another with Seasonic myself. My last Seasonic was DoA and they replaced it very quickly.

>>106516562
It's not that surprising; the retailer may be sourcing more 850W PSUs.
Even in the US, it's often better to pay the $20 or so extra and buy an 850W PSU over a 750W (both 80+ Gold).

>>106516562
corsair has different model years with different components
one years model might be preferable to new ones

>>106516308
hmmm the proart isnt available and looks like the airflow isnt as good
the meshify 3xl is wider but shorter and some gpu sit too close to the psu shroud, I do like the little scoop at the bottom to guide air into the gpu directly but everything else isnt as good
guess ill learn 3d modeling and 3d print mod parts for the frame 5000d

>>106516562
850W popularity has superseded 750W for a while now. Between the two probably 8/10 buyers will pick the 850W

>>106516575
True, I wish had gotten an 850 myself back then. That seems reasonable overall, and I'd prefer he have more capacity in case he wants to upgrade in the future. He's on a budget now, but he might not always be.
>>106516581
Both seem to be the 2024 models.
>>106516597
Fair point, I'd do the same if it was me.

>>106516056
AMD and intel both have very very tiny market share relative to nvidia. It would make more sense financially to jerk off nvidia and tell the 90% what they want to hear.

>>106516624
A significant portion of those GeForce owners are normies, and a lot of them won't even know the specific card model.

>>106515933
Because AMD pays them to
Steve is just autistic and Nvidia has threatened him multiple times

The techtubers never get that people don't buy on fps per dollar they buy on I have X dollars what GPU will that buy. Nvidia literally have a card available at every $50 - $100 price point, way more models than AMD.

I don’t know where you guys are located but here in Canada the cheapest 9070 xt sells for $930 while the cheapest 5070 ti sells for $1227.

>>106516624
AMD GPU customers often regret their purchase so they need to validate and defend it online unlike nvidia users. They also have terminally autistic linux users on their side

>>106516663
Outside of the US the 9070XT can be had for MSRP. In the US, their literal biggest market AMD are being greedy bastards.

>>106516661
youtubers who dont emphasize nvidia software featureset and ignore things like frame gen when they make statements like "x gpu is best value" are evil for misleading consumers

>>106516663
Have you check which one is cheaper if you buy them from amazon, local retailers often price nvidia gpus higher because AMD just doesnt sell (they are terrible cards)

nvidia=apple

>>106516710
No, this is more like AMD is intel when they were selling their terrible cpus higher every gen. They are legitemly terrible products in the gpu space

>>106516717
well they're fine since they got ml upscaling and frame gen out the door
the gap is small enough between nvidia and amd that you can buy amd if the price is cheap enough without feeling like you missed out on something

>>106516710
Objectively shittier product with an insanely dedicated fanbase willing to shill for free, if anything that sounds like radeon to me.

>>106516703
9070/XT is fine if you exclude the pricing issue.
9060XT needed to be a lot better if AMD was serious about increasing market share.

>>106516717
Last gen sure. Nvidia was the way to go. Now with the 9000 series they’ve become competitive again. Although it all depends on local markets. I’m not a fanboy but here in Canada buying a 5070 ti is going to cost you 30-35% more than a 9070 xt. Which goes for only slightly more than a 5070. It’s the much better deal here.

>>106516731
Not really, architectural wise they just keep taking shortcuts which is why you get them to be complete dogshit outside of console ports AAA gaming.

>8 years to get tensor core support so DLSS4 works well on a 2060 from 28 while it runs like dogshit on a 7900.
>Infinity Cache over actual larger L2 Cache which nvidia provide
>no vulkan support for fp8
>hardware accelerator stuck in hybrid fp6-fp8
If you ever mess around outside of gaming you realize they are inferior products

Unless 9070XT returns to it's actual $599 price I don't see them selling anything when the $549 5070 Super 18GB drops. The 5070 is already the most popular card.

>>106516749
idk anon, those codecs for video editing are way too good to even consider Radeon for anything other than only gaming

cases without top IO are so annoying

>>106516749
disagree, the 9070XT is a terrible card, at least on last gen they actually provided a solid product on those 20gb -24 gb cards.

The average retard is just too dumb and just see fps goes higher on benchmarks and think that all there is to it, right now the only thing saving AMD ass is the console market making sure their product benefit from the console optimization devs need to do to make sure their games run on a ps5.

I am buying the Lancool 217, that's it anons.

>>106516773
its under msrp in finland at least
670€ with 25% vat included is relatively cheap

but since you can get 5070 ti for 150€ more most people go for that instead

>>106516792
>no top IO
ANNOYING
And they put a top on button too

>>106516775
Fair. I have no idea how any of this shit performs or works outside of gaming, which is what I buy/build for. I’m very happy with my 9070 xt. But then again I upgraded from a 1070 so almost any current gen card would be an insane leap.
I am genuinely impressed by FSR AA. I used to game on 1080p and always saw jaggies. Now I have a 1440p monitor that’s larger and with FSR on it actually works incredibly and I can say I don’t see jaggies anymore. Other types of aa still have imperfections even at 1440p. I’m very impressed.

i was happier when i had a low to mid spec pc

>>106516807
was it fun having no responsibilities and mom making you tendies in exchange for nothing but your mere existence

Been thinking of getting my 1st PC.
Is this build good?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CybGC8

>>106516748
that wasnt the question

>>106516827
>ASRock Steel Legend Radeon RX 9070 XT 16 GB Video Card
I'm pretty sure that card is cheaper on newegg
you do not need a 1000W PSU

>>106516827
Yes. Double your SSD size that really isn’t enough if you’re gaming (the convenience is worth the slight cost increase)

>>106516827
you want 2tb nvme at minimum
The monitor is generic low hz ips and doesnt match the system, 32" 1440p is strange choice. Oleds can go down to 500€ for 240hz 1440p models.
a 850w psu will be more than enough
cpu is fine, 9800x3d would be better
9070xt is fine, 5070 ti would be better
dont get microatx mobo unless you're making a microatx build, your case fits a larger one.

>>106516800
I just want more than 2 HDD cages with airflow path.

>>106516827
Avoid that curved monitor, it’s probably a VA panel.
There’s a Samsung G5 IPS flat panel and many other 1440p IPS monitors with 165-180Hz refresh rate.
I would not buy an ASRock AM5 motherboard at the moment, especially for a first time builder.
Their board is more prone to damaging the CPU, including that 7800X3D.
I would stretch the budget for a 2TB drive.
Drop down to an 850W PSU and get a 2TB SSD.

>>106516773
>$549 5070 Super 18GB
in what universe

>>106515265

technically in pci era around 75 watts traveled via pci not sure about pci-e

>>106516890
the gpu chip is small and vram isnt that expensive

Do people who have OLED monitors really change them every 2-3 years? Do you install a screensaver too?

>>106516908
no
Im sure a lot of the initial alienware qd oled UWs are still in use today
some asus monitors have a proximity sensor to automatically black screen when you walk away from it, or they have screensaver timer set to few mins.

>>106516890
This one. Nvidia is pushing Geforce to be used in more AI applications especially for college students and even they know that actually does require more VRAM capacities.

>>106516931
> asus monitors have a proximity sensor to automatically black screen when you walk away from it
I can imagine the price of such a monitor, lol.

>>106516939
This is the funniest “ leak “ of all time

I'm looking for a decent monitor that I won't use for gaming so IPS is not an option because the contrast is pathetic. OLED isn't ready yet, the miniLED I Iooked at are still IPS and 500 bucks which seems ridiculous for IPS. Should I just get a VA monitor?

>>106516966
KTC M27T6 should be fine?
It was really cheap in amazon de but quickly ran out of stock

>>106516890

do you know how to build imagemagick with gpu support i have not bothered

>>106516986
That actually looks good based on the specs but it's sold out everywhere isn't it? I can't find any shop that sells it right now. Did they discontinue that monitor?

>>106517058
theres some aoc using same panel but its apparently less widely available and aoc tends to go insane with cost cutting so.. consider an oled

>>106516661
>The techtubers never get that people don't buy on fps per dollar
It's still valuable to compare relative performance. For example, the 5080 is only 15% better on average than the 5070ti but costs 33% more. It's a shitty deal and shouldn't cost $1,000. Even if someone has the money I wouldn't recommend the 5080.

So the AM4 X3D cpus are pretty much all gone, and used they go for more than an AM5 9600X+mobo+ram bundle so there's not much point in getting them, I've been stuck on a ryzen 5 2600 for a while do I get a 5500, a 5800XT, or bite the bullet and move to AM5?

>>106517083
Also the 5080 melts itself while the 5070 ti does not.

>>106517089
am5 is best option
9600x is real good on modern games specially when you play at 1440p res with moderate gpus

>>106517071
Fuck, all the monitor options that are available right now are so bad

>>106516535
>>106516353
GPU wise I feel cucked as the prices are just shitty right now, I could wait it out until the Super series though. I have no qualm about staying with Nvidia, basically want 100% my current GPU (RTX 3070) and at least double the VRAM.
CPU wise, I play nothing but CPU heavy titles, the 9800x3d feels only right.
Ram feels alright.
>>106516340
Wahey

>>106517089
zen 3 is still good overall, plus its a decent upgrade over zen plus

>>106517089
14600K

why did i go for the 4000D frame case... im gonna have to get down on the floor just to turn on the pc every day for the next 5 years....

>>106517248
use case?

>>106517260
humiliation ritual button placement

REMINDER THAT YOU CAN USE WAKE ON LAN APPS TO START YOUR PC WITH YOUR PHONE

>>106517267
what if you bought some rubber pads and glued those on the top and kept the case upside down

>>106517273
reminder that you can press the power button to start your PC with your finger (or toe)

>>106517248
nigger rig a long ass switch from inside the case to your desk.

>>106517248
>>106517260
Glue some coins to the button and kick them to start the computer.

>>106517248
I WARNED YOU ABOUT TOP IO BRO

I WARNED YOU

>>106516800
>this philistine puts his pc on the floor
you disgust me

>>106517248
you disgust me too, only troglodites put the pc on the floor

>>106517439
Maybe keep you house clean? I guess dirt floors are never really clean.

>>106517452
>projecting this hard

>>106517458
If you aren't worried about dirt, then what's the issue?

9080XT coming out this year?

>>106517662
why

>>106517662
No. AMD has ceded the high-end to Nvidia this generation.
And honestly everything else since they refuse to make enough cards or honor their MSRP.

>>106516792
Great choice, unless something better comes along in the next few years that's what I'm planning on using for my build.

AMD need to release a $1000 MSRP card they will actually sell for $1400 That will fix things lol

You bought that 7900XTX you better enjoy it a stronger AMD card is never coming out

>>106517735
It will if it can beat out a 4090.

What is the ideal ssd to use as a games drive?

>>106515094 (OP)
>KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
>HVA panel
How's the ghosting and HDR on this monitor? Can't find video reviews in English.

>>106517786
any nvme is fine

>>106517816
It's probably not bad when you can run games near the monitor's maximum refresh rate.
You will notice ghosting near 60Hz.
https://www.displayninja.com/ktc-m27t6-review/

what the hell is HVA

>mobo came with dead audio chip
>don't use it anyway but felt bad my new shiny build has a major flaw
>decided to disassemble everything and returned it
>nice store clerk gave me a new mobo no question asked
>Everything works perfectly fine but suddenly my gpu has a massive coilwhine at max load with the new mobo that it didn't have before with the faulty one
>Wasted the whole weekend doing this shit

I feel like an idiot now.

>>106517962
TCL CSoT/Samsung's VA panel with better viewing angles and faster response times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IhYJjskVdA

>>106517970
Undervolt the card.

I really really want an OLED screen

>>106515701
jesus don't post this shit this is just brooootal

>>106517986
go buy oled screen

>>106515094 (OP)
boobs

>>106515747
What exactly is the point of these again?

>>106517089
Do not buy the Ryzen 5500, it's about as good as a 3600.
It's not a real Zen 3 CPU. 5800XT is a solid choice if you plan to keep it for at least 5 years.

>>106518026
The connectors are on the back of the board; it looks cleaner in a case with tempered glass panel(s).

>>106517970
Do you have your PSU plugged in to your CPU power connectors? Does the board have an auxiliary PCI 8-pin connector for the PCIe slots? Is the GPU connected to power with a splitter cable or something that might limit current? The motherboard shouldn't be the problem here. But maybe the GPU is expecting more power and trying to draw more from the PCIe slot.

>>106518026
flexing

>>106518043
Interesting, the board does have another 4-pin connector but gpu is a 5070 with the new atx 3.1 power cable. Do you think the extra 4 pin is the problem here?

>>106517248
Just use wake on lan bro.
I have it set up on my home assistant so I can just turn on my pc from my phone when I'm in bed.

>>106517248
wake on lan like anon said or relay PDU?

>>106515541
>Team
Brand loyalty is fucking retarded. Corporations don't care about you, stop caring about them.

>>106517662
doubt it, if anything i think they are gonna skip the refresh and focus on their RDNA5 line up in which they will not even compete in the mid range and their best card will have a 192 bus to focus on APU's and low end specially with TSMC rising the price of the die

>>106518377
So essentially there is no hope and team green will control everything. Sigh

>>106518043
They really shouldn't have put that ugly green on the tomahawks

>>106518392
have you seen the cost of 3nm after the hike? i doubt nvidia even sells that to gamers. We'll probably get stuck with 4nm and the 4090 will go down as the modern 1080ti

>>106518405
So I shouldn't hope that the 6000 series will be a big improvement over this generation?

>>106518410
who knows, all i know is that if they use 3nm the costs means we'll get fucked in the ass in terms of price so you end up holding the bag hoping that performance matches the retarded prices

Why doesn't Nvidia just release a new line of cards with less of the gpu dedicated to raster but more rt + tensor cores?

>>106518422
consoles

>>106518080
>Do you think the extra 4 pin is the problem here?
It really shouldn't be. But it could be worth plugging it in to check. That and going through all your other settings and so forth to try and nail down the issue.

I really should build my new PC so I can use this correctly. Test okay, temps are as expected, cool with basically zero noise.

7600X3D available for 230 bucks, worth it?

>>106515373
Wrong, it’s because ASML raised the price on their machines from 150 mil to 350 mil.
But please do continue your descent into TDS.

>>106518565
sure

>>106518544
what are you using that even needs that kind of cooling? 14900KS and 5090?

>>106517970
its more than likely that the change in how your power connector is connected caused the coil whine and not the change in mobo
try checking hwinfo64 for the gpu's 12v pin voltage and then replugg the gpu power connectors again and check it again and it should change somewhat

>>106518573
tsmc isnt an early adopted of high aperture machines
the article literally says what the issues are
tsmc has obvious reasons not to want to deal with american employees and regulations, they only do it because the american government forces their hand

>>106516957
its funny because amd has no response to it. they got too cocky with the $750 street price 9070xts

>>106518565
In the old days this would have been the #1 bestseller not the 9800X3D

This is why the prices will keep rising.

So $599 was because AMD had store rebates? Why not just release products that make a decent profit at MSRP? Nvidia does that.

>>106518575
I don't need it, but I can cool it with zero noise. My internal rad setup could cool the housefire CPU and 5090, but now I can cool it with no noise, and I can do small case build next :3

>>106518611
amd cant make chips cheaper than nvidia and only way to sell them is pricing them 20% cheaper
amd miscalculated how nvidia gpus would be priced when they sold them to 3rd parties

>>106518603
>In the old days this would have been the #1 bestseller not the 9800X3D
I'm not poor so I will buy the 9800X3D. You guys are welcome buy all the 7600X3Ds you want

>>106518612
but that small case build will waste your case's monoblock and atx board

>>106518611
Because NVIDIA has a better product and for the same price you would be crazy to buy AMD. Hence the forever strategy of NVIDIA minus $50.

>>106518620
Oh I'm going to get a new board and go AMD for the CPU. I have other plans for this intel house fire. FormD or M2 looks pretty neat.

the hype was real

>>106518630
you're gonna miss the threads on that raptorlake cpu
i know i do since i "upgraded" from a 13900KS to a 9800x3d and windows does chug at times where the i9 doesn't
9950x3d should do fine if you can live with having 2ccx's though

>>106518589
>tsmc isnt an early adopted of high aperture machines
Kek, wrong and a clown.

>>106518641
https://www.ic-components.com/news/tsmc-abandons-high-na-euv-lithography-for-a14-a16-process-technologies.jsp

>>106518640
Oh wow really? Anon here said the 9950X3D would be more of a pain to setup for gaymin so I was thinking 9800X3D. Cost isn't an issue but I appreciate you bringing that up; I guess I just assumed the 9800X3D would be fine in most everything else I do.

dual ccd is awful just awful

>>106518668
i have my 9800x3d's memory fully tuned in too at 6000cl26 but its just slower at times like starting up windows or compiling shaders. There's no getting around having only 16 threads so I can't wait for zen6 12-core x3d to launch to finally get back the performance I lost from switching away from the i9.

>>106518682
Isn't zen6 like 2027 :( Again thanks for the information, good to hear from someone who went from the i9 to the 9800. At least it does run cooler right? I had to direct die mine.


Also fun water cooling facts
>Pump speed should be set on the delta between the rad inlet and outlet
>Fan speed should be set on the delta between water temp (average) and ambient
I love Aquasuite

265K is still a real CPU unlike the 9800X3D

remember to lick the feet of people who voted for trump and thank them for the opportunity to pay extra for stuff

>>106518704
zen6 is slated for Q2/Q3 2026 I believe. might be pushed back to Q4 if there are any issues but not 2027 or later

Some 9800x3ds run cool but mine doesnt since its an average-bad bin with 112SP and a worst core vid of 1.26v at 5.250ghz. Great ones have like 1.10v vid at the same clocks and don't throttle at the stock clocks unlike mine.

I'll keep saying it, $500 for 8 cores will always be crazy to me no matter how many fps it gets

>you can use this architecture with CUDA to do whatever GPU accelerated compute you want
based, a real masculine alpha male's GPU
>you can ONLY use this GPU for gaming and it's total garbage at anything else
pozzed locked down console tier tranny nigger shit
when you look at it this way it makes sense that the market share is deserved

>>106518708
>>106518721
okay so google what the cpu with most cores is, ignore benchmarks and buy that

>>106518740
Expect that's wrong. The AI king GPU is also great for gaming...

>>106518755
it seems you misunderstood the post

>>106518755
im gonna imagine that after you reread his post you closed the thread in shame. its ok, i do it too sometimes.

>>106518788
The Nvidia bot is set to always be adversarial and aggressive against comparisons to AMD hardware

>>106518753
OKAY I DID THAT

WHAT IS THREADRIPPER

>>106518668
>I guess I just assumed the 9800X3D would be fine in most everything else I do.
It will. Anon is shilling for his team by making shit up and relying on edge case scenarios. If you really want the best of both worlds get the 9950X3D and use process lasso to keep your gaymen on one CCX. But you still shouldn't need it unless you know your workloads are heavily multithreaded.

>>106518798
you need a threadripper pro 9995wx

>>106518802
>edge case scenarios.
>using windows

>>106518802
>Retard defending 16 threads based on his tribalistic feelings Vs anon recounting his experience between both CPUs he's owned
Hmm... hard choice on who to trust

>>106518808
Windows generally wants faster cores, not more of them.
>>106518818
Anon is full of shit. You aren't going to notice a difference in general usage. But there could be with specific workloads.

>>106516693
Despite the cards used by AMDrones being darker silicon than their userbases racial skin color, they are atleast focusing on what they do best instead of intentionally gimping their cards.
The only decent advantage Ngreedia could claim is their AI focus which is slowly being upturned by Incel, Maybe their "rasterization" aka traditional GPU cores running better per core. Their entire company currently runs mostly on the IP merry-go-round.
>Forget the par of material science, the promise of Moore's law, for in the clown darkness of the Keynes future, there are only patents

>>106518831
Nah you just don't know better if you've never used a snappy intel CPU (never buying them anymore because they suck now). You don't even realize the small hitches and lags don't have to be there if you had more threads or lower latency.

>>106518836
RDNA is an intentionally gimped architecture at its core

>>106518852
Explain, isn't it just
>Cram as many transistors as you can
>What's AI
The card?

Ordered the 7600X3D for 230.
Coming from a 1st gen Ryzen 1600.
What I like the most about he new one is the power efficiency.

>>106518588
>>106518449
Could be a coincidence but I updated the bios and now the coilwhine is still there but alot less.

>>106518859
intentionally hardware gimped to tank performance in workstation tasks, just look at how hard any RDNA arch cRd gets raped as soon as you step outside of gaming
NVIDIA sells GPUs
AMD sells "game chips"
personally I'll never buy an AMtalmuD hardware gimped architecture

>>106518859
they only didn't include AI acceleration in anything before RDNA4 because they were bad at it, you seem staggeringly misguided considering NVIDIA has upheld a performance advantage for many years

I just discovered something
In the silent hill 2 remake the latency according to the nvidia overlay is like halved when I turn on framegen. I thought it might just be a bug with the overlay but it actually does feel better.
What the hell is happening here? Never seen this before.

>>106518898
framegen automatically turns on reflex

>>106518859
lol lmao

>>106518901
Reflex reduces it by that much? Halving it even after framegen?
Game is modded with whats on pcwiki. Latency no fg in this shot was 120ish ms (43fps), 2x 59ms, 4x 60ms. This sound right or could something be fucked up here (other than the low framerate)

Are there any websites that quantitatively spec cases for cooling/airflow? I always bought mid-to-lower range and never worried as much about temp, but I want to go a little fancier with my next build and baby it.

>>106518959
isnt the game just smoother because you see more frames

>>106518959
Reflex/AntiLag2 when it works properly drastically reduces latency. The game engine is sampling the inputs earlier than the render pipeline.

Rate my setup.

Shall I push the trigger?

>>106519066
whats the use case

>>106519066
You need an ROG X870E crosshair extreme and Corsair dominator titanium dimms

Microshitter wageslave here
We're getting a surprise discrete Intel Arc B series card soon in ~1 month, priced at 349 MSRP with 16 GB of VRAM
no word on clock/memory speed, details public tomorrow

>>106519123
Are you sure is not the b50?

>>106519158
It's not the Pro B50/B60

>>106519123
B770 256bit bus finally?

>>106519123
If you're wrong or it's a b50 you have to post an image of yourself spread eagle

im currently on the 2600, thinking of buying the 5600. do you guys think it will hold until 2-3 years after the release of DDR6 platforms? I buy games 1-2 years after release anyway for steam sale, and I'm fine with playing at 30fps

>>106519196
sure since your gpu has to be super weak as well, then 5600 should last a while

Hang on.. Can you use multiple GPUs for the same pc, doing different tasks? Doing AI tasks with one and playing games with the other..?

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh34GhbCyqk
not my poo brown fans...

>>106519211
I didn't know he was on the CCPs payroll
Unsubbed

I'm getting 10 fans for my c8, do I need a module controller or is there software to handle the speeds? Im also using 2 brands (arctic and lian li) since

>>106519206
aight thanks

>>106519210
You'd just select a specific gpu in specific productivity apps menus.
I would guess theres bottlenecks that arise that make gaming less enjoyable due to stuttering.
they still share pcie lanes bandwidth and ram and cpu even if the calculations are done on separate gpus and ofc the psu needs to be able to handle 2 gpus at full load.

is the 2400 TBW real or exaggerated? I'm starting to get worried if it's fake.

>>106519234
2400 TBW rating on the datasheet.*

>>106519230
ofc if you could invest more and get a 5600x3d then that would be a good gaming experience
5700x3d arent widely available at decent prices anymore

>>106519228
you are limited in the amount of fan headers your mobo have if you want a separate curve for each fans

>>106519232
Interesting.

I can get a new psu to handle the load. I should be able to deal with the temperature as well.

How is the pcie bandwidth split? Even 50/50 or based on something else?

>>106519228
I doubt you can connect all of that crap without a hub
especially if those are non PST, RGB fan

Does anyone else here set their fans to a slightly different fan curve to prevent resonance?

>>106519252
cheaper mobos share the lanes between pcie slots and if something extra is plugged in you lose half of the lanes or something.
it usually doesnt matter, gpus dont use that much bandwidth

>>106519228
get triple fan connector cables that power 3 fans but only use the pwm from one.

>>106519228
also you set fan curve in bios, unfortunately it is bound to CPU temps
with hub and some software you can adjust the curve to GPU as well

>>106519237
sadly 5600x3d does not exist in my country and the 5700x3d never went below 220, while the 5600 has fallen down to 75-80

>>106519268
you can always just invest into am5 platform with 9600x and 32gb ddr5 ram for smooth firefox tabs experience

>>106519262
Ah, yeah my mobo splits the lane into x8 x8 when both are in use. Nvm then.

>>106515094 (OP)
What's wrong with 5060 8GB if I don't intend on going over 1080p?

>>106519288
games can use arbitrarily high amounts of vram
resolution is merely one factor that impacts it

>>106519252
many ai apps still need a lot of cpu processing. You still want at least 16 threads free for the ai app to feed the gpu.

>>106519288
that depends on software
if developers decide that 8gb is not enough, then you will be left in the dust
and seeing that they are cutting the production of 8gb, it will be minority on the market

https://www.jonpeddie.com/news/q225-pc-graphics-add-in-board-shipments-increased-27-0-from-last-quarter/
>Q2’25 PC graphics add-in board shipments increased 27.0% from last quarter. AMD’s overall AIB market share decreased by -2.1, Nvidia reached 94% market share
AMD xixsters...... h-how could this happen?? HUB said that Radeon was outperforming?? Did he lie?

>>106519288
there's already a lot of games that have significantly worse perf at 1080p with 8GB vram.
The higher res textures, shadows, and ray tracing eat vram like a fat woman at Golden Corral.

>>106519328
It's a pretty simply explanation: All the tech bros are buying nvidia cards for AI purposes (LLM, Stable diffusion, Video enhancement work, VFX). gpus are no longer for gaymen anymore.

>>106519066
>AIO slop
dropped

>>106519095
farming You's on the internet

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/?sort=chg
xixsters.....
Radeon is crashing and burning... Intel is our only hope....

>>106518798
retard didn't even find the epyc cpus

Is water-cooling a meme?
I'm getting roughly the same performance air cooling my 9950x3D compared to the 420mm rad I had it under.

>>106519484
supposedly air coolers are quieter at same perf
then theres the fan ramp up noise which is easy to notice compared to steady fan speed, aios allow heat to be absorbed in the water which means slower fan ramp up time

>>106519484
always was
if you pay attention, at the end of your water cooler is an air cooler
and inside heat pipes of a regular cooler is a small amount of liquid

bump

limit

>>106519484
Ultimately you can't fight entropy of the ambient room temps. The only advantages large AIOs have is their higher specific capacity of water to soak the thermal energy of the CPU and transfer it to the bigger surface area of the rad to diffuse said generated heat. Once the system reaches heat soak stage (say you are doing a many hour render/video editing job) it becomes no different than air cooling. Like >>106519497 said the designs are really 6 of 1 and half a dozen of another inside. Large AIOs big advantage being best for quick burst loads or running quieter at lower dBAs but the latter assumes the pump can be quieted too.

>>106519484
>>106519497
>>106519508
>>106519549
I think it can make sense with Graphics Cards, since their own cooling is so awkward.

>>106519484
you are limited by the thermal transfer from the cpu cores -> solder -> IHS

You gotta delid, sand down the top of the cpu chiplets, then direct die mount with liquid metal if you want to see real performance boost.

>>106519561
mineral oil fish tank is the only proper way to cool a PC

>>106518668
>9950X3D would be more of a pain to setup for gaymin
It's not, you just go into process lasso and set your games to ccd0. You can also go even further than that and make sure your other processes are running on ccd1. Neat stuff.

>>106519555
They exist but are really niche and expensive:
https://www.aorus.com/en-us/graphics-cards/gv-n5080aorusx-w-16gd/Key-Features
It would make more sense given the GPU die typically isn't that much different size-wise from a CPU but generates so much more heat. We're already to the point that 3 and 4-slot coolers heavy enough to sag the mobo are the norm. I'd sooner use an AIO for the GPU than the CPU but I guess being so expensive and non-standard mount-wise compared to the two sockets of AMD/Intel makes manufacturing them difficult and no one wants to put down the extra BOM premium for one and it'd make installation and (re)sale more difficult.

>>106519604
non-standard mounting kills aio gpus for me
if it cant be fixed without relying on manufacturer warranty, then its a hard pass

>>106519484
its almost a meme
for me, I just prefer air coolers for one reason, the only thing that can realistically break are the fans and they are easier to replace
I also dont intend to omega overclock or do ultra intensive tasks 24/7, and im ok with a slightly warmer cpu compared to aios. Just dust it off and change the paste every other year and it will always work properly

>>106519484
your cpu isnt even that power hungry. water cooling is really only necessary for 13th and 14th gen i9s

so I just got my 5070 ti and while it never goes above 35C, doing normal browsing and video watching im afraid OF Gigabytes thermal gel issue. is it worth it to open up the GPU and replace the gel with pads?

Hello, i haven't built a rig since 2014, and i'm confused about current gen amd. I heard i need a gamer mobo just to keep the pc from going up in flames, is that true?

>>106519662
doesn't that void the warranty? also that isn't the hotspot temp anyway

>>106519662
lol they already fixed it months ago
and the putty performs better than regular thermal pads. the biggest issue with their cards is that they're still using standard thermal paste for the core which pumps out over time

Stupid question: should I swap out the stock fans of the Peerless Assassin 140 with Arctic P12 and P14 Pro fans to cool off a 5700X3D?

>>106519687
no, you are likely to see no gains
not sure if it was GN or STS who tested it by swapping them with noctua fans and got worse results

Is a 5600G enough for the Switch emulator? I'm thinking of building a little PC to hook up to the TV and emulate/warez controller friendly things.

>>106519667
just avoid the 3-4 cheapest boards and you'll be okay

>>106519676
its a used card but still has the sticker over the screw on the back of the die
>>106519680
so at some point maybe just re-paste it, gotcha

>>106519604
>the GPU die typically isn't that much different size-wise from a CPU
GPU dies are typically larger than CPU dies. For example the 5070 is 263mm^2 while the combined IO+compute of the single-CCD Ryzens is ~193mm^2. Historically the difference has been even larger.

>>106519687
Nah the whole point of those TR coolers is that they're cheap. If you put another $20 worth of fans in it you might as well have bought a nicer cooler. Use 'em until they break then replace.

>>106519728
Okay so what should i get that isn't crazy expensive? I'm not used to buying high end mobos, just want something decent that won't burn my rig.

I'm building a new PC, still waiting for all of the parts to arrive
I bought the AIO cooler that I actually want
but I'm also getting sent another (weaker) AIO cooler for free because I bought some other part

if I already have the first AIO cooling my CPU, is there any way to use that second AIO to help cool shit down?
or should I just sell it?

(please do not underestimate my stupidity or my lack of experience)

>>106519753
unless you want to build another pc (nas or some shit), just sell it off

>>106519747
ironically, highend mobos have more pcie lane sharing issues than lowend and midrange boards because of forced usb4 adoption

anyway i'd recommend you find a b850 board that costs no more than $220 from either msi or gigabyte. the msi b850 tomahawk would be my recommendation but you can go cheaper like the gigabyte b850 eagle wifi6e and still have a pretty good board

>>106519762
I thought so, but I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't overlooking something
thanks

>>106519747
You've got two options for motherboards.
1: Dope out your feature requirements and cross-reference them against the spec sheets.
2: Pay up for a board that covers all bases.
#1 is the cheaper way to do it but takes time and effort. #2 is, naturally, more expensive. Most people end up buying "too much" motherboard, especially for pure gaming rigs, which is obviously wasteful but not the end of the world if you have some slack in the budget.

>>106519836
>>106519836
>>106519836