Thread 106520325

Alpine Linux is a meme. Since is uses musl, have fun not having any binary software distributed for Linux work.

>>106520325 (OP)
If your software doesn't build cleanly with musl it's worthless spaghetti garbage anyway.

>>106520351
>build
ain't nobody got time for that shit

>>106520325 (OP)
>Alpine Linux is a meme.
yes
>Since [it] uses musl,
yes and no
>have fun not having any binary software distributed for Linux work.
>binary software
linux never breaks abi retard. even for proprietary slop, which i bet is what you're referring to, you can still run stuff with the non-system-libc easily. but you're probably a retard, and a jeet one at that. and this is "yet another jeet filtered" thread which comprises most of /g/ these days.
there are meme-ish aspects to alpine. this is not one of them.

>>106520515
>muh retards
>muh jeets

>>106520325 (OP)
Whatever you say Rajeesh

>>106520325 (OP)
they are anti xlibre so they self-reported themselves as woke faggots to me so I don't need to consider them

>>106520805
a tranny ex-packager did, not the project leadership

The only distro that makes linux bearable to use.

>first threatened to pursue CoC against anyone who mentioned XLibre
>now nuked X11 out of next stable release
Is Gentoo the only non-meme musl distro?

>>106520805
I'm glad that tranny outed them, made me switch my home server to FreeBSD, best decision I ever made.

>>106521003
isnt it on the security team?

>>106521003
>ex-packager
https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/ariadne
>5 days ago
Doesn't seem so
>>106521465
He is, seems to be damage control post
>Ariadne Conill is an Alpine Linux TSC member

>>106521225
wrong
>>106521465
no
>>106521515
https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/groups/team/TSC/-/group_members

>>106520325 (OP)
That's not how that works. You do know that a lot of binary software for Linux is using statically compiled Musl libc, right?
It's only glibc software that cannot be properly compiled statically that won't work and that's fine because you can just run that in a Debian chroot or container or whatever or use a Flatpak for desktop software.

>>106521531
>wrong
https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Release_Notes_for_Alpine_3.22.0
>The X11 session for KDE Plasma has been removed. If you had plasma-workspace-x11 installed make sure to remove it from /etc/apk/world

>>106521225
Alpine is working on Wayback to provide an Xorg Server on top of Wayland. With that in mind, it doesn't make sense for them to package any X11 environments that also support Wayland because running Plasma's X11 environment on top of Wayland when it already has native Wayland support would be the most brain-dead thing ever.

>>106521550
>>>now nuked X11 out of next stable release
>The X11 session for KDE Plasma has been removed.
it's not for ideological reasons like you implied, either

Holy fuck, actual damage control

>>106521515
I'm surprised the tranny hasn't campaigned against hyprland (yet)
That's typically the new canary for shitheads who pursue pointless culture war drama
> new "technical steering commitee"
> new "council"
oh no, is it over?

>>106521584
cope more, alpine won despite of and thanks to the troon

>>106521587
alpine is apolitical no matter how much you cope and seethe
https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/community/x86_64/hyprland

>>106520325 (OP)
could say the same about any userland.
binary compat is never guaranteed.

>>106520536
he's right though. no one stops you from using umu or a custom wine build.

>>106521597
Why are you linking the package to me? I already said that isn't the case (yet).
Wipe the froth from your mouth for a second and actually read what you are replying to.

>>106521589
won what?

>>106520805
>anti xlibre
everyone with a brain is anti xlibre.
it's a complete joke.

>>106521614
you lost.

> chuds angry that alpine took a stand against fascists
you lost, incels

>>106521633
lost what? if you know what you're talking about you should have no problem elaborating

>>106521649
>against fascists
no, they just reject shit insecure code that doesn't work.
why do you retards keep adding politics to it?

>>106521652
alpine won.

>>106521662
Post insecure, faulty code.

>>106521565
>Alpine is working on Wayback
https://github.com/kaniini/wayback
Hmmm, i wonder who is kaniini
https://github.com/kaniini/
> Ariadne Conill
Good to know he is not ex-packager and represents Alpine after all

>>106521670
thanks for proving my point

>>106521662
fighting fascists and transphobes is not political and not an opinion

>>106521679
he did step away from packaging to focus on his corporate distro for a time

>>106521678
>misues pointer to a buffer
>assumes sizeof can recover allocation length of an array decay
>amateur tier "safe" wrappers over libc methods that just null check
>xor's some valuesinstead of exponentiation because he didn't know what ^ did.

anon, kys.

>>106521685
proving that alpine won bigly

>>106521702
thats not code

>>106521712
5 users isnt winning

>>106521702
>>amateur tier "safe" wrappers over libc methods that just null check
Why would anyone even do that? Obviously, someone is worried about the quality of their libc implementation but at that point just give up. If your libc isn't perfect then you're already cooked.

>>106521823
you lost

>>106521835
it has nothing to do with libc and more just general sensibility and provenance of your data.
you can't just call strlen on some random string (that may be null). it is simply retarded. (arguable anyone should use it at all, but that's another complaint.

>>106521840
i won, linux lost

>>106521853
Isn't that why people use strnlen instead? If you don't know the length of your string then you are kind of fucked.

>>106521896
Yep, the man page for strlen even says as much:
NOTES
In cases where the input buffer may not contain a terminating null byte, strnlen(3) should be used instead.

>>106521912
we use they/them pages now bigot

>>106521859
you lost, linux lost, alpine won

>>106522019
say it again

>>106522049
alpine won, linux lost, you lost

Alpine trannies lost

>>106520325 (OP)

is norwegian gupsym with alpine?
mush moo tcp ping

>>106520325 (OP)
No idea where the hate comes from. It's a comfy distro for minimalists. None of the Debian and Fedora derivatives enabled me to get boot time down to 8 seconds on a 7 year old laptop.

glibc binaries run fine with gcompat or, if you must, Flatpak. That is if your binary blob isn't statically linked anyway.

Also, kinda nice to use an init system that a human can understand in a day, rather than choking on the systemD.

>>106522150
this.
alpine won.

>>106522085
sisters, our response?

I have no idea what musl is. As a developer or architect it is my job to say that I used something that is industry standard to not be potentially liable. THAT is the only reason why Alpine is used for production containers. I could not care less if it is slower 2, 5 or 7 times than some other option. Also, the time spent inside a container is typically nothing compared to the network time or first-load, which to improve requires more thinking than just choosing betweean A and B.

>>106522085
alpine won, musl won, hardened_malloc won, rust lost, blog trannies lost

>>106520325 (OP)
> what is docker?

>>106520353
>8c/16t laptop
>8c/16t desktop
Sure I do

>>106522393
alpine won a neovagina, congrats now go dilate troon

>>106524660

a fucking fairy incoming

>>106524660
you lost, change your diaper

>>106520325 (OP)
It's meme because its run by mentally ill tranny and activist.

>>106525086
wrong.
alpine won.

>>106521452
>best decision I ever made.
Are you really such a loser that changing a server OS is the best decision you have ever made? I think I'd kill myself.

>>106520325 (OP)
there are so many ways to pick on alpine and musl is the one you went with? really? lol you're a tech illiterate jeetard. I bet you've never actually used alpine much like you've never actually used a woman's pussy. just use libc.

>>106520325 (OP)
Isn’t this what steam os is so it;l be the most widely deployed client linux distribution in the world?

>>106525782
no

>>106521587
Whats the deal with Hyprland? Is it transphobic? I haven’t tried it yet.

>>106527077
> is it transphobic
No
> what happened
Years ago some tranny was attention whoring on their discord server and the mods said who cares about their pronouns.
That's it. Dev was then harassed way later by some red hat dude who decided to try and and police hyprland over it and send him threats.
Basically a "knock knock red hat man here you've been bad, how about some CoC(k) supervision from us"?
Dev told him no and published the mails after the guy didn't stop, and was banned for it from contribution to any freedesktop projects for life.

Since then drew devault and terminally online trannies started calling him a transphobe Nazi and some distros banned hyprland over it and any time it is mentioned somewhere they will slander him.

As far as I know Vaxry hasn't really insulted any minorities publicly ever, or spoken bad about them.

>>106525314
you troons are so easy to trigger, youre going to kill yourself regardless of what you read online

>>106522085
>In a real world benchmark
>no source
>point in time "benchmark"

>>106528099
wheres your benchmark proving him wrong?

>Home user, possibly dirty windows gamer, complains about a minimal distro that's being used for containerization
>Criticizes the main advantage of having musl for easy compiling instead of glibc version hunting each rime you need to add something to the pipeline

Windows "refugees" are Worse than the flood of kekistanii boomers back in 2015

>>106528023
I don't think it's good to say things that are untrue about people.

>>106520325 (OP)
Real problem is how even in dockerland everything still expects a dynamically linked libc. I'm surprised there hasn't been a bigger push for entirely statically linked C executables yet.

>>106522381
If your applications are network / IO bound then there is basically no reason to use a C program over Go since it'll behave much better for much less effort.

>>106529665
Why are Nginx and Apache written in C then? There is Caddy written in Go but Nginx still beats it (Apache is worse, but that's because it's Apache).

>>106529636
Same, thats why I didn't do that.