Thread 106528809

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped
Guide: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 9700X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (265K for value & reliability, 14400F budget, 14600K midrange)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-6, Duronaut, PTM7950 (phase change)

>MOTHERBOARD
Avoid ASRock AM5 boards, CPU degradation issues still reported.

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

>SSD (Keep firmware updated)
Budget: SN7100, NM790
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580 (for new builds), used card
Midrange: 9060 XT 16GB, 5060 TI 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: 9070 XT, 5070 Ti
Workstation: 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P, ASUS XG259CS
1440p: KTC H27T22, Gigabyte M27Q, ASUS XG27ACS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), XG32UCWMG (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

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>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: might launch in Q4 '25, 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.

>Omissions
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.

Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: BIOS update required due to reliability issues. Recommended to set a CPU VR voltage limit (1.4 or 1.45V).

>Product Notice
PNY RTX 50 cards have QC issues (rattling fans, reports of 5070 & 5090 with blown capacitors)

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>>106528809 (OP)
sex dungeon house lol

>>106528820
The only thing getting fucked is your spine by that gaymen chair

>monitor arrives tomorrow and build complete
just need a 100x100 vesa mount arm

>>106528955
Nice lighting

>>106528980
thanks amigo

any news update about the Windows SSD genocide?

>>106529033
the japanese tester that found the SSD bug was using beta firmware on his SSDs, it was a nothingburger

I hate OLEDs became standard

>>106529027
>war
There is no war, only cope.
AMD's even pulling the hardware discounts and "wait for next gen" meme with their MI- data center GPUs.

>>106529145
still not buying it

>>106529151
nobody cares about datacenters, only about linux compatibility and going with the based brand which nvidia isn't

>>106529152
People in previous thread told me that some monitors even have proximity sensor lol. Because it's OLED lol.

>>106528955
needs more anime character figures

>>106529166
Based

>>106528809 (OP)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcpCMhrpI-c
>his gpu costs less than an ssd

>>106529166
That's not where the sales & dev support are being prioritized.
Valve's leading Proton because they need a platform to secure their 30% digital sales cut.

>>106529172
>Sit on couch
>monitor refuses to work
This is like when Xbox wanted you to say COCA COLA!

>>106528809 (OP)
I currently have these 4 usb ports in use (mouse, keyboard, webcam, usb-sound card, dongle for controller) and a display port in use.
My current system specs are:
>gigabyte b550m ds3h r2
>ryzen 5 5500gt
>wavlink ax5400 pcie wifi

I saw that GMKTek k6 Ryzen 7 7840HS has both better cpu/igpu performance, but it is a minipc, Will I be limited in some way if I sell my current system and go for the mini pc in terms of ports, wifi, and possibly a second monitor in the future?

>>106528829
thats a car seat op

>>106529262
>I currently have these 4 usb ports in use (mouse, keyboard, webcam, usb-sound card, dongle for controller)
That's 5, unless the keyboard or other device has USB passthrough.
USB ports for that mini PC is 1x USB 2.0, 3x USB 3.0, 1x USB4.0 (Type-C)
Display won't be an issue (triple monitor support).
https://manuals.plus/asin/B0CQ4WBV8L

how bad are the neat looking lian li fans?

My build will be completely cooled by an external rad so I just need a basic bitch airflow to keep the memory and vrm cool. I won't run them over 20% ever.

Is there a minisforum alternative that isn't Chinese spyware?

>>106528809 (OP)
To preface, assume I am completely retarded. After buying 3 work laptops over the past 10 years I'm fed up with the garbage. I want to create something future proof and found a lot of the longest lasting laptops of old had a massive amount of modularity not seen in modern builds.
I'm looking for a modern laptop motherboard with a socketed CPU that can be drastically upgraded that way it can be "future proofed" to a greater extent and want to know if I came up with the right board.
What I'm looking for:
>Must have a modern CPU socket that has a wide range of highly advanced CPU's.
>needs to be thin enough to fit into a sleeper PC case. (roughly 8 x 8 x 1.5 inches)
>Compatible with NVME M.2
>Has a good amount of RAM and storage potential
What I found:
X600tm-itx
>96GB of DDR5 SO-DIMM RAM
>two M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 x4 slots
>6.7 x 6.7 x 1.7in
If I did everything right, would this board have a long life?

>>106529590
Do you know about Framework laptops? It's an upgradeable product.
https://frame.work/laptop16

>>106529510
Provided you're not running HEPA filters, case fans don't have to do much to be effective. They'll be fine.

>>106529604
I've seen it, it's a really neat product. What kills it for me is the lack of a CPU socket. It's been my bottleneck on nearly every PC Storage is cheap, RAM is limited put replicable. Every board on the market is soldered. Unless your a hardware engineer there is no upgrading it period. You need a whole new board and at that point, most people buy a new laptop.

To put it into perspective:
Thinkpad l440
Made in 2013 (12 years)
4th gen Haswell sockets top at a i7-4910MQ
Currently a mid range CPU, which still runs windows 10 well.

An AM5 socket means when the Ryzen 7 9800X3D eventually drops down in price and even better CPU's come out I can just swap them in. Removing that bottle neck and potentially making the RAM the limiting factor.
The only downside I could see was the 65W TDP draw. Which could potentially limit the range of future CPU's the board might see.
Outside of that I can choose my own battery type and screen. All of which I'd maximize modularity with.

>>106529708
>Ryzen 7 9800X3D
>$400
>for an 8 core CPU
And that made for the nvidioits paypiggies

>>106529708
>The only downside I could see was the 65W TDP draw.
You should check the supported CPU list; a 9800X3D isn't available.
The options appear limited to CPUs with an official Default TDP of 65W.
https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X600TM-ITX/index.asp#CPU

Does /pcbg/ approve of the North and wood in general?

>>106529765
thats quintessentially reddit combo.

>>106529736
It's all relative. Eventually CPU prices will drop and it will end up on the chopping block like every other "gaming performance" CPU before it. The end result is that it's fairly fast. Even if I get a slower CPU I can wait till prices come down to get a better boost rather then tossing the entire motherboard.

>>106529750
Good save, thank you. Seeing the list their still very good CPU's for the current year. What's the scope for 65 watt in the future? I'd assume they'd still go pretty far as it looks like developments still moving forward into mobile and lighter devices. As long as the power standards still good they will keep pumping out better CPU's. I understand eventually the format will see it's end with the next gen of CPU but I think it's a decent investment over the traditional BGA or LGA soldered CPU's.

>>106529765
build quality is a downgrade though

>>106529510
Look up Lian Li fan rattle

>>106529816
In the end I'm looking for the best Mini-ITX
(or other thin type) motherboard with the longest potential longevity. Any ideas?

>>106529765
Build quality is a problem like other anon mentioned
It's made more like a cheapo meshify than a premium define R case

Dumb question, but other than saving a few bucks on price, is there any reason whatsoever to get a PSU with a lower wattage?
Looking at a dropdown list with 650, 750, 850 W that only add a few bucks per step

Also when do I need 850 W? Top end GFX card?

>>106529949
https://www.inet.se/produkt/6906674/seasonic-core-gx-v2-850w-atx-3-1
Looking at this one btw

>>106529949
>is there any reason whatsoever to get a PSU with a lower wattage?
you can get better power efficiency when you power balance your PSU (not very important)
>Also when do I need 850 W? Top end GFX card?
dependent on total computer configuration, PCPartPicker has a neat tool that estimates total power draw depending on the parts you've selected

Why the fuck is a ddr4 32gb sticks so damn expensive?

>Want to build an itx
>Sees the price of a 64gb per module ram
>Want to build an atx

Can Corsair 5200MT DDR5 CL40 be overclocked or is it fine as-is for gaming? Assuming a heavy GPU bottleneck where the GPU is pegged at 95-100% usage while the CPU stays between 30-60%.
I asked AI (yeah, I know) and it told me it can reach 5600MT CL38 with a simple bios tweak.

>>106530277
don't mess with ram OC if you don't want to put in the time to validate its stability. unstable ram corrupts files and OSes

>>106530299
Alright guess I'll use it as-is and maybe upgrade to 2x32 6000MT CL30, or whatever is the new standard, in 3-5 years.

I was thinking of getting the corsair rm1000x shift since my estimated wattage was 650w
however, the rm1200x shift is just a couple more dollars
is it ok to go for the slightly bigger psu?
and what adds to the watt usage? like, what external/internal shit would add to it

>>106530332
Is that the PCPP estimated wattage?

>>106529949
No practical consumer reason. I don't know why they offer models in different wattages anymore. Just take the highest rated one unless it adds a lot onto the premium, which you state is not the case with whatever store you are looking at.

>>106528833
AMD AMX
I wonder who sponsors him

>>106520110
The fans are actually fine. It turned out one of 8 pin cables after months just slowly vibrated up enough that it was being graized by the fan. You can see the mark on the cable even lol. I zip tied them both down now and no more noise :)

>>106530371
yeah, the 650w estimated is from pcpp
should I not trust it?

>>106530385
>he did not believe in the holy cable management

Which monitor is best for gooning?

>>106530836
The one found on the iPhone 17 pro max

>>106530836
VR

>>106529765
I liked it for 10 sec, but then I started to see everyone having the same kind of wood in their battlestation rooms. It looks disgusting and dated already.

>>106530448
it generally overestimates power, like adding 30 watts for RAM which takes like 5 watts
but thats better than underestimating

>>106530836
Iphone with Grok's companion mode (Ani), enjoy gooning

Currently got my 6yr old build that's still using 16GB ram
is it time to get 2x more 8gb sticks?

Those AMD X3D cover (out of copper), useful or not?

Surely this will increase heat transfer with the cooling block?

>>106531367
the stock lid is already 99% copper

>>106531367
you mean replacing the IHS? might as well go full on delid at that point

the time has come that intel is probably gonna lose even the esports market

https://x.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1964535977185288631

>>106531481
I'm shocked by the number of paid actors employed by amd

What's the next step in AMD's master plan? Will they actually offer competitive pricing in the GPU space?
I don't feel like getting another Novidya GPU for my next upgrade (3060Ti right now).

>>106531524
userbenchmark admin finally logged in at 4chan

>>106531540
well the next card will be basicly gcn 2.0 so its prudent to wait till kepler starts leaking perfomance numbers

>>106531524
i cant believe i almost fell for the amd meme when i was putting together my pc build a few months ago, the shilling was intense

>>106531575
there’s a reason amd users need to create spaces like /r/AyyMD to have other people validate the purchase and stave off buyers remorse

So, did I fuck up by going for a R5 9600 instead of a similarly priced (223 euro) Intel?

>>106531552
this for the longest time i was rocking a r9 nano because the more i heard about rdna the more i was sceptical
i was right in general but i had to buy a 6700xt to be able to play some of the new games
but now i will wait to see rdna 5.0 or udna is pretty much the first TRUE gpu design under mommy lisa so they might have actually invested time and money on it

(this means shit however if they dont throw money on companies to optimize their shit for their cards)

>>106529510
They'll be fine
Most of the debates with fans usually involve high speed operation.
Running at sub-1000 RPM and most people would be satisfied with cheapshit thermalright fans, almost isn't even worth discussing, unless you're an arctic fanboi

>>106530448
On the off chance you're still here, here's how to select a power supply:
1. Add up your CPU+GPU's actual power draw under full synthetic load. Call this number X.
2: Add up your CPU+GPU power draw under your typical "high load" conditions. Use reviews to get the numbers (TPU is good here). If it's gaming it'll usually be the GPU's TDP plus 50-100W for the CPU (though some top-end CPUs pull more). Call this number Y.
3. Pick a supply wattage "Z" where Z ≥ X+100 and Y ∈ (0.4*Z, 0.8*Z). Lean towards more wattage if you can afford it but don't push it so far that your idle draw goes below 0.05*Z.

what is the difference between these two? do i save or pay the extra $2

>>106531930
one is V3, they've upgraded the transfunctioner for increased efficiency in the splord

>>106531718
Not really. AMD is the default choice right now unless you need multicore on the cheap.

>>106531930
iirc they got the heatpipes soldered to the fin stack on the V3. So get that one
goddamn 2 min waiting time 'cos phoneposting

>>106530836
Depends on your style.
VR virtual theater is nice.
ultrawide monitor that you fit more images on is nice but then again you could just get more monitors to do this.

I would say at least a 4k 32" if you just want a single monitor.
LG is realeasing a 4k res 34" ultrawide next year.

>>106531942
>>106531960
thanks anons

>>106528809 (OP)
what can i get for 600 usd lol
i only play dota 2

>>106529510
Chinks spent money on looks and not on quality/performance. Also completely overpriced due to the proprietary connector that solves a non-issue

can somebody explain to me how pcie works in relation to whether I should get pcie 4 or pcie 5 m.2 drives

>>106532003
ask grok or chatgpt

>>106532003
"i don't know either" would've been quicker for you to type out

>>106532003
When to Choose PCIe 4.0:

Your system doesn't support Gen5 (e.g., older CPU/motherboard).
Budget is a concern—Gen4 offers the best value per GB.
Workloads are light to moderate: Gaming, web browsing, photo editing, or basic productivity. The speed difference isn't perceptible in Windows boot times or app launches.
You prioritize lower heat/power (e.g., in laptops or small-form-factor PCs).
Most users fall here—Gen4 is "fast enough" for 95% of scenarios in 2025.

When to Choose PCIe 5.0:

You have (or plan to buy) Gen5-compatible hardware and want to maximize its potential.
Heavy professional use: Frequent large file transfers (e.g., raw video footage), scientific simulations, or virtual machines where sustained high speeds matter.
Future-proofing a new build—e.g., if you're investing in a top-tier setup and expect to keep it for 5+ years.
You're okay with higher costs and potential cooling needs (many Gen5 drives include active cooling fans, which can add noise).

In summary, PCIe enables blazing-fast data transfer for M.2 drives by scaling bandwidth with lanes and versions. Unless you have a specific need for extreme speeds and compatible hardware, stick with PCIe 4.0—it's more practical and cost-effective for most people. If you're unsure about your system's compatibility, check your motherboard specs (e.g., via the manufacturer's site) or run a tool like CPU-Z/HWInfo.

>>106532003
don’t bother with a PCIe 5.0 drive unless you’re doing something like editing 4k video, PCIe is backwards compatible and a 4.0 drive will work in a 5.0 slot on a board

>>106531948
I know 6 core is fine for gaming, casual usage and even GPU AI slop, but would an intel have been better for some of my more niche use cases like... I dunno, rendering/encoding video? I record with OBS sometimes and then clip and reencode with Handbrake to share on /vg/. I know NVENC is a thing, but still.

>>106532074
Intel is much faster in those programs you mentioned at the same cost

>>106532179
Man I can't believe I fell for the "Ryzen good for gayming" meme. Should've gotten a 14600k or something instead, very similar price.
Always been on Intel ever since my Celeron E3300 (just gave that PC away a few days ago for a beer, guy from my neighbourhood wanted to harvest it for capacitors) and should've known better than to go AMD.
At least my use cases aren't particularly demanding so I'll probably be fine for the next 3-5 years, unless the landscape changes significantly with PS6 coming out and my PC can't keep up...

>>106532215
You could always upgrade just the CPU in 4 years, no big deal. Every intel CPU that's available now will be extremely dated in about 15 months once intel releases their 52 core novalake CPUs and AMD releases their 24 core CPUs

Day14 FAFO'ing with G80SD - Nothing more to be said Edition
>TVs/Monitors Left to try: 55" G5/S95F / 27" 4k QDOLED / 32" 4k WOLEDs / 27" 1440p 480hz WOLEDs
>To leave oled and go back to LCD question remains
>18 Months of burn in edition https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whuHuM9h88M

>>106531718
>150 eur with BF6 included 14600k
>14600k (allegedly 20-30% faster with tuning)
>more cores
>100 eur if you consider price with BF6 included/sold

>>106531948
>default choice
>is slower and more expensive

>>106532523
14600k is more expensive than the 9600/X here, 240 euro.
>>106532247
The upgrade path is why I went for AMD actually, with the idea that I can get a Zen 6 or even Zen 7 X3D chip in a few years without changing the MOBO, cooler, possibly even keeping the RAM.

Do you guys know any good sites for ebay for buying lots of used components from corps replacing their stuff? Like buying a ton of standard 24" monitors that are being replaced in an office building or something

>>106532586
>for ebay
besides ebay*

unpopular pc opinion: DLSS4 and Framegen are like a magical 3x framerate button with minimal visual degradation
I'm talking 40 FPS at native to 130+ with both. The latency isn't even bad, and the visuals are only noticeably degraded by DLSS's upscaling. The AI fake frames I haven't been able to notice even pixel peeping.

>>106532651
DLSS is only good if the game heavily relies on TAA and the devs did not even attempt to try with their native TAA method. This is common for Unreal Engine 5 titles and developers.

Framegen is bad no matter what. The latency can be mitigated somewhat but you can never get around the artifacts and additional overhead. AI can be good in some scenarios like CPU prefetch does a lot of black magic in huge datasets but in random scenarios / fast movements you encounter lots of cache misses and that hurts prefetch and AI.

>>106532509
that’s a very extreme example of how fast a monitor will burn in, 8 hours a day of static content

>>106532651
Yeah the latency isnt even bad because the few games that support FG already have bad latency to begin with

>>106531481
Ropz was complaining about the game, that an X3D shouldn't be necessary.
He's complaining at the CS team to fix their game, not at the TOs for using Intel-sponsored rigs.
The FPS dips in CS2 happen with X3D CPUs as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH7-kW4r6fU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7D-akuYiRQ

>>106532818
in 3 years, games are gonna need 144mb of L3$ just to run at 60hz

>>106532818
didn't they just do a big optimization pass on that game?

Why doesn't nvidia release consumer workstation cards with boosted tensor core counts?

>>106532904
consumers = poor filth

>>106532808
My own inbuilt latency from getting old (24 is retirement age for eSports) makes this hard to notice.

>>106528809 (OP)
Tell me the last PC part you purchased

>>106532863
Map optimizations, but the major FPS drops happen during heavy utility usage & gunfights.
It wasn't that bad in CS:GO.

>>106529637
>Jensen said that performance is impossible without AI
He didn’t mention that it’s only with MFG anywhere, as I said
>Lossless Scaling FG isn't using motion vectors
And AFMF does?
Meds
>PC has the largest GTA 5 active player count
They’re only interested in revenue. They don't care how many people are playing the free version from the Epic Games Store.
>And you will have an inferior experience
It’s the same model, meds, it’s not locked out of vendor’s features as the rtx 3000 or 4000 series, it’s just a fine wine

>180Hz 8-bit colors
>120Hz 10-bit colors (8-bit panel simulating fake 10-bit using something similar to dithering)
Which way, poorfag monitor man?