Thread 106552143

Why didn't any of its competitors ever take off?

>>106552143 (OP)
High costs, network effect and youtube was good in the beginning

>>106552143 (OP)
>most competitors are just the same shitty content you already don't want to watch on youtube
>places like vidlii and bitview trying to have the feel of old youtube have a zoomer problem
tl;dr modern web culture is shit

>>106552143 (OP)
Google was bankrolling and it followed the enshittification process that Google's model worked on previously, which is to grow without profit as fast as possible to get people hooked on your services before becoming complete shit to turn a profit.

>>106552143 (OP)
Hosting a lot of video is supposedly very expensive and I think it's very difficult to get a foot in the door in terms of content and actual reasons for people to browse your site instead of YT. YT was first, it grew an audience without any major competition around and now it's very well established and entrenched and there's so much content that it feels like there's something for everyone. Any potential competition doesn't get to grow with no competition, it has to do it with the whole space already occupied by YT.

Joost, Stage6, DailyMotion, Google Video, Vimeo , Hulu

>>106552143 (OP)
I don't see it mentioned very often, but youtube did it really smart by compressing the piss out of videos before the compression and codecs caught up.

even nowadays youtube videos are still usually only like 20mb-100mb, which is very small.

That’s easy. None of them worked. If you wanted to upload or vote or share videos half the time the competition was down or laggy or buffered forever. YouTube was always online, very rarely was it entirely unusable except at 2AM in the early days during old time maintenance.

>>106552143 (OP)
odysee got close so google bribed some judges to rape and bankrupt lbry for daring to compete in the "free market"

>>106553782
First time I'm hearing about it.
Interesting. Thanks for posting

There is no freedom on internet

Hosting a lot of videos is really fucking expensive. Also how would you compete now? YouTube has two decades of videos built up on there.

just take jewtube videos and upload them on other competitors goy

>>106552143 (OP)
Jews

>>106552143 (OP)
youtube has such a critical mass of creators no one will use any other sites because there is nothing to watch

>how do we get around the first amendment
>just set up a corporation so it's a private public sqaure
based govcorpos controlling the cattle

>>106552785
Vimeo just got sold for over 1B btw. Same value YT got acquihired 20 years ago. It never even had a chance.

>>106553900
Google managed to fool everyone. They did a rug pull and here we are.

>>106552785
Dailymotion is the only good once since it hosts full tv shows. Stage6 is dead and hulu is subscription.

Miss me yet?

Why is EVERY online service effectively a monopoly?
>YouTube
>Google
>Uber
>Netflix
>Facebook
>Amazon

What's so special about doing things online that the corporations always end up with one of them getting >90% market share?

>>106556788
do not question govcorpo

>>106556788
>88
yes

TikTok is winning.

>>106556788
Shut the fuck up, chud.

>>106556788
Network effect

>>106556788
Because online shit can be scaled to satisfy the entire world population and nobody will use your shitty clone when a better alternative already exists. Can't do this in any other industry.

>>106552143 (OP)
I remember when Twitch was the new hot thing and YouTube was losing users. Then YouTube launched that failed gaming platform. At that point even Facebook Videos reported a growing userbase while YouTube's was slowly shrinking, it seemed like YT was going to die.

Then Facebook overnight became "old" and "uncool", Twitch didn't manage to overtake YouTube and YouTube began to report new users once more.

Then TikTok came into scene and YouTube was actively struggling to keep users. Then they launched Shorts which was a complete joke but somehow it worked and now YouTube is once more at the top.

>>106552143 (OP)
TikTok literally beat it though.

>>106556920
>>106558906
No it isn't. People watch TikTok in addition to going on YouTube, not as a replacement. Shorts is easily the second-biggest short-form video site on the planet, too, and will instantly devour any TikTok users the moment an issue with that site arises.

>>106556788
Lyft?

>>106557266
Despite what people might claim, at the end of the day people want everything to be on one convinent platform and will stick with it unless something catastrophic happens

Vimeo's been around as long (predates by a few months.) What held them back? Even before the Google purchase, YT was the first place to go.

>>106552143 (OP)
fpbp

One does not simply make a competitor to YouTube. You would fold almost immediately if you had half as much traffic as them.

The only way you compete with that is to try to decentralise with things like Peertube, etc, but this is still really crap despite showing promise and it's not fully decentralised anyway (someone has to host the video).

>>106552334
spbp /thread
Fringe platforms almost always attracted only the most fringe niggers imaginable and despite what retards tell themselves there's very little that actually gets you permanently banned off of yt, especially back then, so imagine the quality.

>>106558936
There are also more YouTube users than TikTok users. Almost twice as much in fact. In no way can that be described as "winning".

It will likely always stay that way too. There are still plenty of people vehemently opposed to TikTok but practically everyone uses YouTube.

>>106563566
citing ai is this generations' "citing wikipedia", isn't it?

but TikTok is better

>>106563546
>There's very little that [Lies in jewgle]

>>106565090
>can deny the holocaust
>can talk about every conspiracy theory under the sun
What the fuck exactly are you lacking nigger?
>b-b-bbut there's t-that wiki l-link under the v-video!
Who the fuck cares?

>>106552143 (OP)
It has never been a technical issue. The largest issue by far is that people dont use a platform unless "creators" use it, and "creators" dont use a platform unless there are people that use.

>>106552199
>and youtube was good in the beginning
That was the hook, then progressive enshittification followed.

>>106552143 (OP)
refusal to allow gaming. vimeo was poised to be THE competitor, but put in a hard/fast NO GAMING CONTENT rule and died in minutes. it's still quite good if you have "serious content" you wanna host elsewhere and embed on your corpo slop site or something.

iirc viddler did the same but was already dying when they went NO GAMING AND NO FAMILY VIDEOS REEE WERE A SERIOUS PLATFORM FOR SERIOUS PPL!!!

>>106552785
dailymotion had and still has dogshit quality and google video IS youtube

>>106563566
we need someone to name a new internet rule after that's just "if you cite AI, you lose"

>>106552143 (OP)
I remember using Dailymotion Stage6 and others and remember that there was quite a bit of piracy on yt before the google.
Same for pornhub, it went popular first because of piracy and after because of amateur content.

>>106561169
EFFECTIVELY a monopoly. You could equally say, "Vimeo? Bing? Disney+? Friends Reunited? eBay?" In each case, the one I named is orders of magnitude bigger.

>>106564890
>>106565320
I accept your concession.

>>106552143 (OP)
this >>106552199
and the fact that everyone needs to monetize their hobby
Creators don't do their videos for fun, they do it for money and sponsors work only with the biggest companies
Plus being the biggest site gives them more chance of having views
What i wonder is why no one uploads in multiple platforms

>>106566287
>why no one uploads in multiple platforms
Because only one platform gets all of the attention.

>>106552143 (OP)
All the competitors are filled up with Trumptards and their retarded conspiracy bullshit.

>>106566287
>What i wonder is why no one uploads in multiple platforms
Because as you already realized, for most people it's only about money. As far as they are concerned their time is not worth the effort of figuring out how to upload and monetize multiple platforms. People that do it because they care already upload to multiple platforms, I know of at least a dozen but to be fair they are all tech related channels.

>>106552143 (OP)
>be in chink country or india
>make a website that's identical to jewtube and even steals all of its videos
>???
>profit

>>106552143 (OP)
YT was bought by Google within less than a year of its existence because it was objectively better compared to Dailymotion so Google's monopolistic machinations for the past two decades are what really permanently fucked over any real competition.